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Anixia alexstrasa
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.08 21:14:18 -
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basically i am bored, am about to buy a new l4 runner, as we are somewhat locked down in null with reds.
was thinking of a drone boat for running, just because it is different and new,
what would be a great/best l4 mission runner? |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
937
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Posted - 2015.02.08 21:59:02 -
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The domi is a great "cost effective" boat. however, "cost effective" is so plebeian.
I guess my answer somewhat depends on where you decide to run missions. the 3 highsec agents are in caldari/amarr/minmatar space, with the two in amarr/minmatar space being preferable. However for both I would suggest a Machariel. and given they are so cheap you might even want two, one AC, and one arty fit. Swapping fits is pretty easy, swapping ships is even easier. beyond that I like the paladin, although don't think it would be as useful in minmatar space, I would probably just fly a mach out there. might want a vargur, but I feel like the mach will just do better in most cases.
if you really want a drone boat, the rattlesnake can do some cool things, but I find the combination of missiles and drones to just be annoying.
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
568
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Posted - 2015.02.08 22:48:09 -
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gila
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1371
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Posted - 2015.02.08 23:32:36 -
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SOE are the easy mode ISK makers.
Some drone boats:
Sentry Domi - easy semi-afk generic mission workhorse. Does a great job with just a T2 fit. Gila - never tried one Ishtar - handles level IVs well with advantage it can also rat those annoying anoms with gates banning battleships Rattlesnake - on paper max DPS (up around 1800 with good skills) but in practice hard to fit and fly. Probably the best blitzer if you have the skills and are prepared for the workload.
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Anixia alexstrasa
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.09 00:12:18 -
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so we have SOE as the money maker. Will a domi do these as quick as a machariel? with a gila back up? |

Anixia alexstrasa
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.02.09 00:13:59 -
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basically cost is not even a factor, just want to try something new and make some isk or at least a chance at a cool drop, or some neat hard to come by faction lp stuff.
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Anixia alexstrasa
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.02.09 00:26:06 -
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rattlesnake seems like it might be a fun ship to fly. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5729
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Posted - 2015.02.09 01:10:11 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Sentry Domi - easy semi-afk generic mission workhorse. Does a great job with just a T2 fit. Gila - never tried one Ishtar - handles level IVs well with advantage it can also rat those annoying anoms with gates banning battleships Rattlesnake - on paper max DPS (up around 1800 with good skills) but in practice hard to fit and fly. Probably the best blitzer if you have the skills and are prepared for the workload.
The Dominix is great when it comes to T2-fit T2 sentry drones with MJD. The Rattlesnake will lose some potential DPS advantage due to limited highslots for missile launchers and Drone Link Augmenters (you'll want at least 100km drone control range if you're using MJD for range).
The Rattlesnake will get decently high DPS with a Gecko and torpedoes, but that ship will only be effective at very close range. It will be an exciting ride, until you have each mission figured out. After that you'll find yourself grumbling about the need to MWD into range, or the need to spend even more ISK on Javelin torpedoes.
The Ishtar can't use MJD, but the Eos can. You'll get better DPS out of a Dominix or Rattlesnake, but slower align/warp speed.
A better all-round mission boat is the Machariel. It's fast, agile, has a warp speed bonus so you waste less time moving around, and packs the best damage application of any mission-boat you will fly. It's not just about DPS, it's also about hitting enemy ships and doing the most possible damage to those ships per salvo.
I'm a very lazy mission-runner, so I have a mix of ships to use depending on how bored or distracted I'm feeling: CNR, Dominix, Rattlesnake.
YMMV.
In all cases, mission-running is slightly less boring than watching spiders building webs in my architraves.
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GordonO
BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP
88
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Posted - 2015.02.09 02:23:54 -
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It also depends where you plan to go missioning. Marauders are by far the best at the moment. Mach is great for all but guristas space, then a reaven class or navy scorp will do well. Rail megathrons and vindi's do well also. If you going amarr, nothing beats the nightmare.. well except a marauder of course. Turrets get through missions quicker. MJD's are pita. drone boats loose some time due to the time it takes for the drones to get to the target and if you use sentries you can't move. They still great fun though.. it all depends on where you going and your play style.... I ran lvl4's in assault frigs once for fun.. so yea.. everyone is going to give you different advice.
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
889
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Posted - 2015.02.09 13:18:24 -
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"I'm bored so I'm going to go run missions!"
Wrong plan mate.
Not today spaghetti.
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Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2015.02.09 13:46:00 -
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Anixia alexstrasa wrote:rattlesnake seems like it might be a fun ship to fly. Thought that, too. Glad I read your post so I remembered I bought one a while ago...in the end it turned out to be crap for most stuff now it's more than 25 jumps away and I won't bother with it in the future.
Dominix is the best sentry sniper due to the bonuses, if you try a Targetpainter instead of a third Omni, you won't regret it. But overall Marauder > All, as long as you stay in there "native" environment, Golem does a pretty good job everyhwere. |

Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
975
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Posted - 2015.02.09 13:48:30 -
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TP sounds like a good idea on paper but in fact you just wait for it's cycle time far too much.
Third omni can be scripted to provide on demand stats and it's always active (though I wish it's cycle time was lower) |

GordonO
BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP
89
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Posted - 2015.02.09 18:23:39 -
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Mobbel Ernaga wrote:Anixia alexstrasa wrote:rattlesnake seems like it might be a fun ship to fly. Thought that, too. Glad I read your post so I remembered I bought one a while ago...in the end it turned out to be crap for most stuff now it's more than 25 jumps away and I won't bother with it in the future. Dominix is the best sentry sniper due to the bonuses, if you try a Targetpainter instead of a third Omni, you won't regret it. But overall Marauder > All, as long as you stay in there "native" environment, Golem does a pretty good job everyhwere.
perhaps its the pilot\fit.. there is no way a domi is better than a RS..
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
532
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Posted - 2015.02.09 20:45:00 -
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In regards to the Rattlesnake, yes you can get almost 1800 dps; but that dps is almost evenly split between drones and missiles. So the actual damage application is slower in my opinion than a Macherial or Paladin. For best isk/hr, you can't go far wrong with the Macherial, Paladin, or Kronos. |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
939
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Posted - 2015.02.09 21:32:34 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:TP sounds like a good idea on paper but in fact you just wait for it's cycle time far too much.
Third omni can be scripted to provide on demand stats and it's always active (though I wish it's cycle time was lower) with the 5s cycle time on TPs they work a lot better now (used to be 10s) plus you can use a tp for aggro.
Estella Osoka wrote:In regards to the Rattlesnake, yes you can get almost 1800 dps; but that dps is almost evenly split between drones and missiles. So the actual damage application is slower in my opinion than a Macherial or Paladin. For best isk/hr, you can't go far wrong with the Macherial, Paladin, or Kronos. Blaster kronos is amazing to have for a few missions. I neglected to mention it earlier, but I did say something about it in another post somewhat recently. and you can swap to rails for long range, but large rails aren't the greatest.
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In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
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Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
86
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Posted - 2015.02.10 13:15:07 -
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In some missions I like to use a blaster vindicator. It takes some time to close up, but when you get there, everything just melt. |

Danko1978
Astral Plane Inc
4
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Posted - 2015.02.11 02:06:28 -
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Rattlesnake is a great ship for missions you can have sentries and heavy drones, MWD for mobility, cruise missiles and target painters that help damage application for both weapon systems, and a great tank. |

Yaro
Yaro Corporation
3
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Posted - 2015.02.11 17:39:10 -
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Machariel is the best, if your skills are maxed out for it. With low skills Gila is the best. |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
954
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Posted - 2015.02.11 20:29:34 -
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Danko1978 wrote:Rattlesnake is a great ship for missions you can have sentries and heavy drones, MWD for mobility, cruise missiles and target painters that help damage application for both weapon systems, and a great tank.
missiles, especially, without a speed bonus = delay on dps, plus if you slip up on counting you waste volleys.
drones are pretty decent, but I far prefer it when they are a bit of extra dps rather than a large portion.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1391
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Posted - 2015.02.11 23:08:20 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Danko1978 wrote:Rattlesnake is a great ship for missions you can have sentries and heavy drones, MWD for mobility, cruise missiles and target painters that help damage application for both weapon systems, and a great tank. missiles, especially, without a speed bonus = delay on dps, plus if you slip up on counting you waste volleys.
With a Rattler its not such a big issue as in missile only ships. You can target the BS with missiles and small targets with sentries and then each time a BS is down near structure move the missiles to a new BS and finish the current one off with your sentries.
You end up with a high workload but it lets you actually apply all that DPS without really wasting any.
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
234
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Posted - 2015.02.12 23:09:04 -
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I either use my 1154 dps Paladin with pulse lasers, or my cruise/gecko 1375 dps Rattlesnake |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
956
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Posted - 2015.02.13 03:51:40 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:With a Rattler its not such a big issue as in missile only ships. You can target the BS with missiles and small targets with sentries and then each time a BS is down near structure move the missiles to a new BS and finish the current one off with your sentries.
You end up with a high workload but it lets you actually apply all that DPS without really wasting any.
whenever you split dps you are potentially wasting it thanks to NPCs self repair. Although with high skills the missiles and drones are each doing about the same dps as a lower skilled reasonably well fit mission runner can do 
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GordonO
BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP
90
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Posted - 2015.02.13 19:53:55 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:I either use my 1154 dps Paladin with pulse lasers, or my cruise/gecko 1375 dps Rattlesnake
try some rapid heavy's instead of the cruise missiles.. you will be pleasantly surprised.. with precision they obliterate frigs
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Lars Bell
Bell's Roughnecks
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Posted - 2015.02.14 12:16:03 -
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I have tried out some but not all ship's and find that Barghest Clears the lv4 missions the fastest. Try it out I think it's great. |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
963
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Posted - 2015.02.15 05:42:24 -
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GordonO wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:I either use my 1154 dps Paladin with pulse lasers, or my cruise/gecko 1375 dps Rattlesnake try some rapid heavy's instead of the cruise missiles.. you will be pleasantly surprised.. with precision they obliterate frigs
at range sentries take care of frigs no problem, up close a gecko will volley most frigs. not sure rapid heavies are all that useful.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
14993
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Posted - 2015.02.15 10:22:58 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:GordonO wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:I either use my 1154 dps Paladin with pulse lasers, or my cruise/gecko 1375 dps Rattlesnake try some rapid heavy's instead of the cruise missiles.. you will be pleasantly surprised.. with precision they obliterate frigs at range sentries take care of frigs no problem, up close a gecko will volley most frigs. not sure rapid heavies are all that useful.
The loading times cripple them. Great anti-cruiser/frig weapons for a battleships but for missions there are better options.
On the whole a gunboat will be faster than a missile boat simply because of missile flight time. Guns hit instantly so a gunboat will clear the grid faster than a missile boat. The mach wins because of both this and the fact it warps as fast as a cruiser right out of the box.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
963
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Posted - 2015.02.16 03:59:01 -
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baltec1 wrote:The loading times cripple them. Great anti-cruiser/frig weapons for a battleships but for missions there are better options.
On the whole a gunboat will be faster than a missile boat simply because of missile flight time. Guns hit instantly so a gunboat will clear the grid faster than a missile boat. The mach wins because of both this and the fact it warps as fast as a cruiser right out of the box.
my suspicion, but have never really cared to even try to fit RHMLs. And indeed missile flight time is a huge problem when it comes to flying missile boats (and the reason I almost never fly them). With guns I fire a volley, and say I only need 3 shots to kill, the fourth gun never even fires and I can start shooting at the next target. With missiles all the missiles fire, again say I only need 3 missiles to kill, then depending on range I might even fire a second volley before the missiles hit. I end up wasting 1 or 5 cycles of damage that could go on another target. With practice a mission runner should be able to fire that one volley and know it will destroy the enemy, but in practice it is hard to know if it will take 3 or 4 missiles.
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Karles
Honorable Gallente Carebearing
6
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Posted - 2015.02.16 11:08:52 -
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Hi,
I've been running SOE for a while with a combo of Golem and Rattlesnake, pretty sweet. Golem fit is a bit expensive, but you get 1200 dps with cruise missiles without problem and just using 2xT2 invuls for all missions. Gist B-type XL SB & faction SBA will give you a crazy tank, even more if you use bastion. Golem can run all LVL4 solo, but I use the Rattle to speed up.
Rattle fit is just T2, gives about 1k dps and the tank is solid. |

Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
14
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Posted - 2015.02.16 11:27:32 -
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2x domi if you're using two accs  |

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
156
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Posted - 2015.02.16 15:44:15 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:In regards to the Rattlesnake, yes you can get almost 1800 dps; but that dps is almost evenly split between drones and missiles. So the actual damage application is slower in my opinion than a Macherial or Paladin. For best isk/hr, you can't go far wrong with the Macherial, Paladin, or Kronos. Fly what you want but here are some thoughts.
Missiles and drones ships make the best mission runners overall as they offer the most options to tailor your output to hit the resist holes.
Turrets can be fun and offer a different experience and against some NPC they can be the best option.
If you fly a Marauder and are in a an area prone to internet drop outs do not use the bastion module, many people lose marauders to this because the ship will not safe warp if you DC and the bastion is active.
Rattlesnake in specific is a very good lvl 4 ship. Even when fit against the bonuses you can still get 800 plus dps output and match that in tank in what is functionally a cap stable ship(1 hour 20 minutes cap).
The Domi twins are good for those with minimal shild skills although as a drone based mission ship they are not the best.
Ishtar is great as long as you can avoid the webs, get slowed down by webber and mess up your agro in some pockets and an Ishtar simply has serious trouble surviving but they are fun.
Want a real challenge to level 4's use an assault frigate, I have run many level 4's with an Ishkur or Enyo.
If your just looking for a challenge and not the ISK try level 3's in the various T1 frigs, as a drones pilot I find them to be satisfying to run in a Tristan.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9801
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Posted - 2015.02.16 19:17:01 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:The domi is a great "cost effective" boat. however, "cost effective" is so plebeian.
I guess my answer somewhat depends on where you decide to run missions. the 3 highsec agents are in caldari/amarr/minmatar space, with the two in amarr/minmatar space being preferable. However for both I would suggest a Machariel. and given they are so cheap you might even want two, one AC, and one arty fit. Swapping fits is pretty easy, swapping ships is even easier. beyond that I like the paladin, although don't think it would be as useful in minmatar space, I would probably just fly a mach out there. might want a vargur, but I feel like the mach will just do better in most cases.
if you really want a drone boat, the rattlesnake can do some cool things, but I find the combination of missiles and drones to just be annoying.
I sue FoF missiles and avoid all annoying-ness lol. |

Ruvin
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Posted - 2015.02.17 11:11:59 -
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I tryed paladin , that ship is godlike ...
I knew it was good , didnt realised , it was that good )
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