How do you propose any blanket nerf that doesnt wreck domis but keeps the ishtar balanced? Domis online is a vastly different deal from ishtars online.

I was under the impression structure bashing was most of the reason Ishtars are used so much.

Now, I think 25 km is the magic distance for keeping sentries at all. That's how far it is to a large stick from the edge of a forcefield.

Another inconsistency that bothers me is the sheer range of sentries combined with their DPS. I think sentries can use a change to not only their damage type, but also the profile of their guns.

Starting with Caldari, Wardens could mimic rails, and have exceptional range but very weak damage, around 1/3 the DPS of Gardes. They would be able to reach 75km, 40 DPS, slow tracking...

Gardes which mimic blaster DPS, and have range that is less than Large blasters, base stats. 7 or 8 km. 120 DPS, great tracking, no hope of reaching large towers through forcefields. Or medium towers, for that matter.

Bouncers with a range of 45km, high alpha and lower rate of fire, equal to rails... 40 DPS, OK tracking

Curators with a range of 50km, 60 DPS, slow tracking

So basically, even for the purpose of shooting structures, especially in the case of large towers, sentries become half as effective or worse, and tower owners don't have to worry about tanking omni anymore.

redundant thread, btw.

This thread is about drones not specific ships, they're separate but related issues.

They are hardly separate.

Sentry nerfs which leave ishtars balanced destroy domis, sentry nerfs which leave domis balanced result in overpowered ishtars.

Again the issue is not the drone but the hulls which have APPLICATION bonuses attached to them.

The issue IS the drone, sentrys are a do everything wonder weapon which consistently outperform medium and heavy drones in their own role, and I'm not just talking about ishtars and domis, sentrys are the preferred drones of carriers and supercarriers as well.

The issue IS the drone, sentrys are a do everything wonder weapon which consistently outperform medium and heavy drones in their own role, and I'm not just talking about ishtars and domis, sentrys are the preferred drones of carriers and supercarriers as well.

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.....maybe it's because they couldnt hit the floor if they fell on it.

Someone will say hey shut up the only thing is good against ishtar is only an ishtar. Ok then switch your brains on and propise a new weapon new ship or whatever is.

Because not a single entity has been trying to do this. It is pure coincidence they all arrive at the same conclusion:

A) BLOB IT!
or
B) Just give in and use ishtars.


Sometimes people come up with novel ideas to kill ishtar fleets and you know what? They'd probably even work sometimes. Of course what they forget is it requires so many damned people it would be easier and more expedient at that point to kill them with....other ishtars. It's literally a poster child for broken when the counters are as stated above.


@Wulfy Johnson Drones already cap out at 60km before needing mods to get range....except on the go-to hull for fleet ops, the ishtar, which gets a free DLA II. Go figure.

So its not that the counter didn't work, but it involved working with other players.

Where did I see that Eve is a social game where you are suppose to work with other players........

I guess with your logic CCP should disband all the big coalitions and corps because if you wanted to beat them you would have to work with others....many others.