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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.02 14:38:00 -
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Any single person in this game with 100 billion isk to spend on an objective, could have as much a say in the forward motion of this game as any of the large entities. Discuss.
Right now BoB and to a lesser degree ASCN RA and GF all have the power to effect and craft the future of the eve universe, but with the strength of the top flight Merc Corps/Alliances growing, in my honest opinion we are only so far away from seeing an game altering enitity raised from the joining of paid parties.
I am not talking about the tin pot "Merc Corps", I am talking about the corps of Expert Pvpers, with cap ship capability and 20-30 pilots in rank and ready to fight reguarly.
Imagine a 1 month contract, of the top 10 Merc corps, 200 - 300 highly skilled Fleet warfare and skirmish warfare experts. With 100 Cap ships between them, and a full understanding of what it takes to change the direction of war itself. This sort of contract could be put together for under 100 billion isk....
Makes you think doesn't it.
Maybe in reality, the big players in this here universe are far more than just the Big War Machines/Industrialists that exist and are on view to the public.
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Boonaki
Caldari Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.10.02 14:39:00 -
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Umm, okay. Fear the Ibis of doom!
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ph33rf4ct0ry
Minmatar Hookers From Mars
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Posted - 2006.10.02 14:42:00 -
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I honestly think you guys are the best of the "tin pot "Merc Corps""
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.02 14:45:00 -
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Awww shucks thx.
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.02 14:48:00 -
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That would be a one shot wonder, it's ultimately un-sustainable.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.02 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Louisa Torres That would be a one shot wonder, it's ultimately un-sustainable.
Agreed, but so is every "war" essentially.
And i dare say there are several entities in the game that have the cash to sustain such an operation long enough to effect any change that the war machines of BoB RA etc can achieve.....
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McDan
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.02 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: McDan on 02/10/2006 14:51:25 Well it would be a very short term plan, what does that one person do after the contracts run out? That is a lot of isk to be spending and I doubt a single person, without any kind of alliance affiliation, would go so far.
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End Yourself
Core Domination
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Posted - 2006.10.02 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: End Yourself on 02/10/2006 14:55:20 Or you could just build a giant e-peen and achieve the marvelous k/d ratio of 4-1 err... 3-4 with a single click.
Not going to derail another thread so something more on topic:
That would just be 100 billion of wasted isk in my opinion. Not worth investing in something which you won't be able to keep. And i'm not sure if all those merc corps/alliances are interested in contrators without a clue at all.
--- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.02 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ I am not talking about the tin pot "Merc Corps", I am talking about the corps of Expert Pvpers, with cap ship capability and 20-30 pilots in rank and ready to fight reguarly.
Oxymorons 4tw.
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MironCosszma
NEXT LEVEL
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Posted - 2006.10.02 15:12:00 -
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dont know abaut the other small merc corps but we have 17 active players and 13 cap ships ...9 are dreads ..and we are away to expencive..and yes we have some ideea abaut pvp -------------------------- They say the plane and the ordinary are rule by fate And heroic chouse their own destiny I desagree, Samtimes,destiny chouses the Hero.
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R'adeh
Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.02 15:24:00 -
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I agree, in the short term that contract might have an influence. However, there's lots of other factors that influence the "impact" of such a campaign.
Everyone you're hired against knows that you (or any other merc) are impartial. This means that after payments stop you'll leave and don't look back. Now, unless you manage to destroy your enemies-for-nows (i.e. your enemies leave their space, change corps, alliances) within a reasonable/affordable timeframe, or your employer has a clear plan to keep that space with his own might after you leave, your impact won't be that great. Will you kill off weak corps and alliances before your contract runs out? Sure. Will you hurt entities with high moral in time? I very much doubt it.
Don't get me wrong Ed, I'm not dissing any of the merc corps, just saying that your contractor needs some balls himself to finish what you began once the mercs leave (or hire you 24/7 for 12 months a year). And tbh there aren't too many alliances/corps which would be able to do that. Otherwise, what stops your prey from coming back once you left?
PS: Dreads/carriers aren't the most influential weapons of war __________________________________________________
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zincol
S.A.S
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Posted - 2006.10.02 15:37:00 -
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some parts i agree on but i dont agree with "ISK is power"
Rich alliances who dont have the pvp but do have the isk just fall down,sure they can keep hiring ppl to fight for them or what ever but in the end they fall flatt on there face.
you need pvp and industrial backing to survive not to mension good leaders.
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Chrisb6122
Gallente This is a name of a corperation
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Posted - 2006.10.02 15:37:00 -
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Single player entitys such as myself who gather lots of isk to enjoy ourselfs, despite your argeument have little or no influence in the game.
Game mechanics are not aimed towards us and thats a good thing. Bigger entitys comprised of many indivdiuls as myself with good pvper backbones such as BoB for example, who are far more powerful at carebearing then they let onto the public will always have a bigger influence.
It is true someone like myself could hire yourself MC and what ever merc's we wanted to attack a certain entity at one time but the isk would run out and there isn't much justifcation for it.
If how ever i was to ever quit the game this would be what i would do with my isk.
Buy strong corp A/B/C attack strong allaince X.
There just isn't a real objective for a single player entity to hurt a larger one unless its harming the single player and that isn't likely to happen.
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Thalera Saldana
Minmatar Oxymorons from Outer Space
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Posted - 2006.10.02 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: KIAEddZ I am not talking about the tin pot "Merc Corps", I am talking about the corps of Expert Pvpers, with cap ship capability and 20-30 pilots in rank and ready to fight reguarly.
Oxymorons 4tw.
You called??
Thal
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Rina Shanu
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2006.10.02 15:50:00 -
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Myeah... or not. I'm sure that many PvP corps that are together for a while and are tight have certain taboos and fighting styles so puting more than 3 toghetther would realy create a crowd (was it 2 ?!). One would have to give them a realy huge goal and not just isk, sure they isk of their own and much gerater motivation would be in order and even if such a thing could be started it will be ended by the involved patries vrey fast (I know a lot of people have a great epeen.. and inner fighting will occur)
Sorry, imho not feasable.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.02 15:50:00 -
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If BoB have set about the destruction of ASCN for example, what is the difference betwen the BoB fleet and a fleet comprised of the power houses of the Merc game led by the organisor corporation/alliance....
Both have a limited timeframe to achieve their objective, both have infrastructure to support, and both have an achievable goal (well believed to be achievable...)
I,m not sure i see the diff between a conglomeration of Mercs and one of the larger entities.
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Vestalia Gaea
The Echelon
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Posted - 2006.10.02 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Thalera Saldana
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: KIAEddZ I am not talking about the tin pot "Merc Corps", I am talking about the corps of Expert Pvpers, with cap ship capability and 20-30 pilots in rank and ready to fight reguarly.
Oxymorons 4tw.
You called??
Thal
Lol great corp name
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.02 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: zincol some parts i agree on but i dont agree with "ISK is power"
Rich alliances who dont have the pvp but do have the isk just fall down,sure they can keep hiring ppl to fight for them or what ever but in the end they fall flatt on there face.
you need pvp and industrial backing to survive not to mension good leaders.
Zinc is rite... a medium sized PVP corp can be much more powerfull than an entire alliance.. this has happened many times down the history of EVE. blow up ppl in a alliance enough and they crumble... they fight with eachother, pretend to be afk in chat, cough VC.
a PVP corp is there for the fun of the kill and do it everyday. now THATS POWER. isk doesnt even come into it.. organisation and ability is the key to EVE, Isk is only needed to fund ur habbits.
d solo.
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Durvaul
Caldari SAS Strike Team Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.02 15:52:00 -
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Bit bored are we eddz?
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Adam C
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.02 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ GF
KIAEddZ please stop referring to Goonfleet as GF
kthks
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Chadawahee
Amarr Debiloff's Vanguard Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2006.10.02 16:06:00 -
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well, i think your theory is partly true. mercs kill and sometimes conquer but they dont claim it for you and claiming and defending a region is the hardest part. with 100 bil isk you can perhaps have a portion of 00 cleaned out by mercs, but afterwards you will need an alliance with a strong pvp and industrial base to hold it, not isk but manpower and devotion.
RA for example have been hit hard the last year (or even longer then a year) and on all sides, bilions of isk in losses, yet they are still there.
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Kanae
Minmatar Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.02 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Adam C
Originally by: KIAEddZ GF
KIAEddZ please stop referring to Goonfleet as GF
kthks
soon enough you can just call them SMASH
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Black Napallm
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.10.02 16:10:00 -
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EddZ is psychic, he sees the future
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DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.02 16:32:00 -
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hey lets try that again, heh
sounds like you're touting for business in this great southern war :)
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.02 16:39:00 -
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LoL
Nopesy, just bored at work, discussing EVE with some work colleagues, talking about the large Entities and KIAs role in the great scheme of things, one of them said summin like "Surely all the Merc corps together could do anything any of the big guys could do"
Been mulling his insight over in my head for a few weeks now, hence this thread.
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.10.02 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ "Surely all the Merc corps together could do anything any of the big guys could do"
isnt how MC works?
seperate for some contracts, come together for bigger ops?
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Serenity Steele
Rearden Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.02 16:47:00 -
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I would agree that 100bn isk can have a significant effer in the short-term on large alliances, however I would also say that in EvE, 1bn is enough if you use it as a seed for a longer-term objective.
And that doesn't need to be mercs, it could equally well be deliberatly crashing the markets of your opponent.
ISK only represents short-term power, it's not going to keep it for you. People, Organisation and Planning are going to have a significant long-term effect, regardless of how little ISK you have.
The distinction is because If you're short on isk, you can recruit people to who like your objective - which isn't an expensive exercise in ISK terms. It is also possible to achieve a lot in EvE with a large organisation, but little ISK.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.02 16:47:00 -
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Using mercs is an expense, war is an investment. It may be useful as part of a larger strategy, but on its own it is not.
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Scarcus
Caldari Bre-X
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Posted - 2006.10.02 16:59:00 -
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I have thought about the same deal, no doubt along with many others. The problem boils down to trust. I would never trust MC, KIA, or any other merc corp to follow through with my grand plans for say...taking down BoB or something similar. Why? Alts FTW. It would be a joke. Now, the best way to accomplish this task would be to hire sweatshops of players to do your bidding who have no affiliation whatsoever with any other players in the game. Work those guys up to 3 months or so and train them in basic fleet warfare...Bam.
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Kryztal
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.02 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ If BoB have set about the destruction of ASCN for example, what is the difference betwen the BoB fleet and a fleet comprised of the power houses of the Merc game led by the organisor corporation/alliance....
Both have a limited timeframe to achieve their objective, both have infrastructure to support, and both have an achievable goal (well believed to be achievable...)
I,m not sure i see the diff between a conglomeration of Mercs and one of the larger entities.
The diffrence is that mercs are in it for the money as soon as that runs out the merc go away with nothing lost nothing gained. A fullscale alliance war is not about money and our pilots dont get paid, yet they waste their ships and isk for the comong goal of the alliance. They put their heart and soul into the campaign and that is how you win an fullscale alliance fight. A few hundred mercs would get bored easily while those that actually have something to fight for stay.
Not saying i wouldnt love for someone to pull this off.
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