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Nevil Oscillator 168	Posted - 2015.02.09 11:42:36 - [1] - Quote I have been mining in high sec for many months and there hasn't been any attacks on my mining ship. Everything I read about mining says you must tank your ship to the max and forget about yield. Is this because they don't want your cheap frigate to be able to compete with their expensive barge ? Lets factor in that you might be a target , well maybe most mining ships just aren't ? Anyway this all changed yesterday or did it ? A Gallente battlecruiser Myrmidon decided to warp scramble my barge. What's this Arrggh ! I'm getting ganked I thought to myself , hitting the shield boost in panic. I recalled my mining drones and waited for the impact. It never came, a short while later the assailant was in a capsule surrounded by Concord Ships. I targeted the capsule and launched my combat drones as he sat there looking confused.com For some reason the criminal status of the capsule wasn't showing on my overview setup so I let him go. Unfortunately because I didn't activate any offensive modules against him , I have no kill mail. His wreck contained Hammerhaed 2 Combat Drones which he hadn't even launched so this is no newb. My only conclusion is that he hadn't realized that he had left low sec,. We all make those bad decisions every now and then and probably more often if you spend your even life in constant low sec danger. So this leaves me wondering , are mining ships really in danger in high sec ?
Juan Diolosa Caldari Provisions Caldari State 42	Posted - 2015.02.09 11:49:16 - [2] - Quote In the off chance you are not trolling... As of this post, according to ZKill there have been 40 miners killed in HiSec today. You tell me if there are pirates.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 13998	Posted - 2015.02.09 11:49:48 - [3] - Quote If you weren't before. You may be after the pirates read this post of yours. And you're not safe anywhere, sometimes by pilots who want to get your loot, other times for fun. Best protection is a bit of thinking and an open eye. /c GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba

Nevil Oscillator 168	Posted - 2015.02.09 11:58:07 - [4] - Quote Yeah yeah those scary forum pirates who have you convinced they are dangerous and convinced I am trolling.
Nevil Oscillator 168	Posted - 2015.02.09 12:03:20 - [5] - Quote Juan Diolosa wrote: . As of this post, according to ZKill there have been 40 miners killed in HiSec today. You tell me if there are pirates. Interesting statistic, , I don't know if they are pirates or engaged in some war or something perhaps ?
Godfrey Silvarna Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 262	Posted - 2015.02.09 12:06:23 - [6] - Quote With the amount of nerfs directed at highsec piracy and buffs to safety, ganking is much harder to profit from than before, so fewer people do it. This dramatic increase of isk/risk in highsec is a bad thing. The gankers are still out there though. Do not use your personal anecdotes as conclusive evidence.
Leannor Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates. 86	Posted - 2015.02.09 12:13:05 - [7] - Quote sounds more like a bait gone wrong ... lol "Lykouleon wrote: STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Aiwha Infinite Point Nulli Secunda 799	Posted - 2015.02.09 12:15:35 - [8] - Quote Well, either your barge was tanky enough or the gankers really sucked at ganking. I want to be your representative for CSMX! Please EVEmail me with any quesitons, comments or concerns you have about myself or EVE.
Nevil Oscillator 169	Posted - 2015.02.09 12:23:07 - [9] - Quote Aiwha wrote: Well, either your barge was tanky enough or the gankers really sucked at ganking. I don't think it was a gank, I think it was a genuine mistake
Dalloway Jones Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 262	Posted - 2015.02.09 12:34:52 - [10] - Quote I don't mine anymore but back when I did (with a 4 alt fleet). I was never ganked. Either I was lucky or it was because I didn't seem like the best target. So I could easily make the assumption that the danger of being ganked is overstated and I would say that if you play smart it is something that you can avoid somewhat. But judging from the complaints I would see daily in the mining channel I was in, and on the forums, the danger is very real.
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 192	Posted - 2015.02.09 12:47:57 - [11] - Quote being not a good enough target doesn't matter, ive seen ventures ganked for mining, ill run a locator later and send what you seek "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 592	Posted - 2015.02.09 12:56:08 - [12] - Quote Agondray wrote: being not a good enough target doesn't matter, ive seen ventures ganked for mining, ill run a locator later and send what you seek On the other hand being an undesirable target does make a difference to the likelihood of exploding, gankers tend to go for the low hanging fruit first; given the choice of a few tanked up to the eyeballs miners and multiple untanked and possibly afk miners in the same belt or anom, they'll hit the latter over the former. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Adrie Atticus Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion 907	Posted - 2015.02.09 13:14:00 - [13] - Quote Most ganks are usually centered around a small pocket around Caldari space due to lolcode living there. Mining 30j away from Caldari space is usually large enough of a barrier to see gankers maybe once per month.
Nevil Oscillator 169	Posted - 2015.02.09 13:34:45 - [14] - Quote Agondray wrote: being not a good enough target doesn't matter, ive seen ventures ganked for mining, ill run a locator later and send what you seek Yeah lol you do that.. but I can't guarantee you will find what you seek
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 794	Posted - 2015.02.09 13:48:45 - [15] - Quote Op, why is your corp killboard so red? I hope it's nod because some illegal mining the Code ALWAYS wins
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9648	Posted - 2015.02.09 13:50:04 - [16] - Quote Juan Diolosa wrote: In the off chance you are not trolling... As of this post, according to ZKill there have been 40 miners killed in HiSec today. You tell me if there are pirates. 40... You mean all this massive, decades long over-exaggerated hurf blurf by miners is over so small a daily death ratio? According to forum posting miners, ganks are so incredibly common that somehow Null Sec (the place with no magically spawning space police) is the safer option compared to high sec (the place that does have magically spawning space police). 40...
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 6003	Posted - 2015.02.09 13:51:21 - [17] - Quote Ganks are pretty rare. They just make a lot of noise over them so it appears ganking is more prolific than it is. It also helps to have your mining ship tanked enough that a single random roaming ganker can't pop you. The more people are needed to go through your tank and the farther you are from a trade route or popular mining system, the less likely a gank is going to happen. If that's still not good enough, go mining in mission deadspace. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Captain John Redner Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.02.09 13:53:39 - [18] - Quote Pirates are definatly out there. Just won't find them in highsec. Gankers are a very real threat, but you can fit your cheap venture for max yield. Chances are you will pay for your ship many times over before you loose it to code or the like. Fly a ways off the beacon when you first land in a feild. Pay attention. If someone comes in your feild and starts heading right for you, get out. Darth Terona
Chal0ner Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi 129	Posted - 2015.02.09 13:55:45 - [19] - Quote Chribba wrote: If you weren't before. You may be after the pirates read this post of yours. You beat me to the comment
AeonOfTime Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate 90	Posted - 2015.02.09 13:55:48 - [20] - Quote Nevil Oscillator wrote: I don't think it was a gank, I think it was a genuine mistake Did you try asking him/her?
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 804	Posted - 2015.02.09 14:00:50 - [21] - Quote The story sounds implausible, but then again I am fairly certain that a Manticore that was hunting me last night managed to instead target, scram, and fire on a wormhole....which I didn't know was possible. So I'm in a mood to believe anything at the moment. Vote Sabriz!
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 39332	Posted - 2015.02.09 14:07:46 - [22] - Quote yeah miners blowing up is all just made up stuff
Yourmoney Mywallet Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation 335	Posted - 2015.02.09 14:44:59 - [23] - Quote I found Nevil Oscillator for you. From: Natakko Saijimo Sent: 2015.02.09 14:44 I've found your sleazebag. He is at Urhinichi IX - State War Academy station in the Urhinichi system, Suon constellation of The Citadel region. With regards, Natakko Saijimo just sayin'
Aldeskwatso Highsec Heroes Indecent Exposure Alliance 49	Posted - 2015.02.09 14:47:22 - [24] - Quote Yes pirates or suicide gankers more specifically in this case are out there. It's just they arent that big of a deal as many make them out to be. If you know what you doing you can quite safely greed fit your miner and ignore the odd chance you get ganked. It could literally be years before someone pulls it off. The biggest obstacle you'll encounter doing anything is yourself.
Nevil Oscillator 170	Posted - 2015.02.09 15:08:19 - [25] - Quote AeonOfTime wrote: Nevil Oscillator wrote: I don't think it was a gank, I think it was a genuine mistake Did you try asking him/her? No I was too busy going to fetch a ship to loot his drones Chal0ner wrote: Chribba wrote: If you weren't before. You may be after the pirates read this post of yours. You beat me to the comment Clearly this is a risk I have decided is negligible.
Serene Repose 2185	Posted - 2015.02.09 15:14:30 - [26] - Quote 40 miners out of 22,000+ people online at the moment? Someone give me a percentage on that. Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Nevil Oscillator 170	Posted - 2015.02.09 15:29:26 - [27] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: 40 miners out of 22,000+ people online at the moment? Someone give me a percentage on that. 0.2%
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 6005	Posted - 2015.02.09 15:36:02 - [28] - Quote Nevil Oscillator wrote: Serene Repose wrote: 40 miners out of 22,000+ people online at the moment? Someone give me a percentage on that. 0.2% Alright, math buffs, calculate: If the chance to get ganked during 23 hours of mining is 0.2%, how many hours do you need to mine for the chance of a gank to approach 100% ? Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 6397	Posted - 2015.02.09 15:43:02 - [29] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: Nevil Oscillator wrote: Serene Repose wrote: 40 miners out of 22,000+ people online at the moment? Someone give me a percentage on that. 0.2% Alright, math buffs, calculate: If the chance to get ganked during 23 hours of mining is 0.2%, how many hours do you need to mine for the chance of a gank to approach 100% ? Lots. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Adrie Atticus Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion 908	Posted - 2015.02.09 15:47:24 - [30] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: Nevil Oscillator wrote: Serene Repose wrote: 40 miners out of 22,000+ people online at the moment? Someone give me a percentage on that. 0.2% Alright, math buffs, calculate: If the chance to get ganked during 23 hours of mining is 0.2%, how many hours do you need to mine for the chance of a gank to approach 100% ? 0.2% The result is not dependent on the outcome of the previous roll so chance stays the same.
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 39357	Posted - 2015.02.09 15:52:04 - [31] - Quote Adrie Atticus wrote: Abrazzar wrote: Nevil Oscillator wrote: Serene Repose wrote: 40 miners out of 22,000+ people online at the moment? Someone give me a percentage on that. 0.2% Alright, math buffs, calculate: If the chance to get ganked during 23 hours of mining is 0.2%, how many hours do you need to mine for the chance of a gank to approach 100% ? 0.2% The result is not dependent on the outcome of the previous roll so chance stays the same. But if you have a 0.2% chance to be ganked the first 23 hours and 0.2% chance for 2nd 23 hours, it's clearly greater than 0.2% chance to be ganked in the 46 hours
Thorn en Distel Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:09:01 - [32] - Quote Dunno.... think I'll call troll here. Type in Retriever in zKillboard and you get several pages of highsec miner kills for just one day. Add Covetors, Hulks, Mackinaws, the odd yield Skiff or Procurer... I'd say miner ganking is alive and well. Though of course your mileage may vary, if you're lucky.
Cancel Align NOW Greater Order Of Destruction Mercenary Coalition 424	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:09:02 - [33] - Quote Hengle Teron wrote: Adrie Atticus wrote: Abrazzar wrote: Nevil Oscillator wrote: Serene Repose wrote: 40 miners out of 22,000+ people online at the moment? Someone give me a percentage on that. 0.2% Alright, math buffs, calculate: If the chance to get ganked during 23 hours of mining is 0.2%, how many hours do you need to mine for the chance of a gank to approach 100% ? 0.2% The result is not dependent on the outcome of the previous roll so chance stays the same. But if you have a 0.2% chance to be ganked the first 23 hours and 0.2% chance for 2nd 23 hours, it's clearly greater than 0.2% chance to be ganked in the 46 hours No because you can refit a ship and be back out in the belt in less than 15 minutes.
Celestia Via Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance 20	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:13:49 - [34] - Quote first of all, the chance was never 0.2, this is out of total people online. We would need the average of people mining in highsec. If we assume this to be.. 1/10th? of all people online, chances climb to 2%. Even thats not correct, since its vague, (2% per what?) Mining is an ongoing process in time, and therefore a Poisson distribution needs to be used to determine proper chance of being ganked (per day/hour/minute) while mining in highsec. And yes, the Poisson dist. does have the "amnesia" property, meaning that, for example, not being ganked for the past year, or just having been ganked does not alter the chance to be ganked again in any way. There's no place like space
Valkin Mordirc 622	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:21:07 - [35] - Quote Thorn en Distel wrote: Dunno.... think I'll call troll here. Type in Retriever in zKillboard and you get several pages of highsec miner kills for just one day. Add Covetors, Hulks, Mackinaws, the odd yield Skiff or Procurer... I'd say miner ganking is alive and well. Though of course your mileage may vary, if you're lucky. Welcome to GD you'll see Nevil posting these crack filled mania inspired threads from time to time. `#DeleteTheWeak`
Nevil Oscillator 170	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:35:55 - [36] - Quote Celestia Via wrote: edit: to clarify on amnesia : If the Poisson distribution of chance says for example, that you have a 5% chance to be ganked each hour, its just that. Spending additional hours does not add to the chance. Another example is human lifespan, if each person has for eg. a 1% chance to die at any given time, someone who is already 110 years old still has the same chance (1%) to die at any given time. It might seem logical for an old person to have increased chance, but its incorrect. Math is fun, eh? The maths is fine so long as you don't ignore relevant factors such as the chances of someone dying does change with age. 0.2% is an incorrect chance for a miner making it out of a high sec belt with a full cargo but I believe I was asked to make that calculation to give some direction as to where about that figure might be.. probably accurate within a decimal place or two.
Nevil Oscillator 170	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:40:32 - [37] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: Thorn en Distel wrote: Dunno.... think I'll call troll here. Type in Retriever in zKillboard and you get several pages of highsec miner kills for just one day. Add Covetors, Hulks, Mackinaws, the odd yield Skiff or Procurer... I'd say miner ganking is alive and well. Though of course your mileage may vary, if you're lucky. Welcome to GD you'll see Nevil posting these crack filled mania inspired threads from time to time. Welcome to the undercurrent of bleeting as the little billy goat cries troll
Thorn en Distel Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:50:27 - [38] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: Thorn en Distel wrote: Dunno.... think I'll call troll here. Type in Retriever in zKillboard and you get several pages of highsec miner kills for just one day. Add Covetors, Hulks, Mackinaws, the odd yield Skiff or Procurer... I'd say miner ganking is alive and well. Though of course your mileage may vary, if you're lucky. Welcome to GD you'll see Nevil posting these crack filled mania inspired threads from time to time. I'm thinking there's more than one troll in this thread though. There's also the ones going 'sob sob highsec ganking is dead sob sob'...
Nevil Oscillator 170	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:55:41 - [39] - Quote Thorn en Distel wrote: I'm thinking there's more than one troll in this thread though. There's also the ones going 'sob sob highsec ganking is dead sob sob'... Yeah so am I, so if you're not posting about mining and pirates go post about trolls somewhere else
Sinigr Shadowsong Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation 130	Posted - 2015.02.09 17:00:17 - [40] - Quote Miners, listen to OP. Don't tank your ships, buy the best yield modules available. And put your favorite mining systems into your Bio, just in case.
Nevil Oscillator 170	Posted - 2015.02.09 17:07:20 - [41] - Quote Sinigr Shadowsong wrote: Miners, listen to OP. Don't tank your ships, buy the best yield modules available. And put your favorite mining systems into your Bio, just in case. lol that's good enough
Yarda Black Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 552	Posted - 2015.02.09 17:17:39 - [42] - Quote I dont think theres such a thing as a high-sec pirate. Gankers and wardeccers are all I hear about when h-sec is involved. Maybe you could argue that extorting 10 mill from a player for a "mining-permit" is piracy, but it just doesn't feel the same. To get back on topic; there are those that gank miningbarges. If you want the chance of that happening successfully to decrease you either bribe known groups (permits) and hope you bribed the right ones or tank your barge. Or both. I should probably end with a obligatory get out of high-sec remark, but I don't care enough about players I will most likely never meet.
Celestia Via Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance 24	Posted - 2015.02.09 17:35:26 - [43] - Quote Nevil Oscillator wrote: The maths is fine so long as you don't ignore relevant factors such as the chances of someone dying does change with age. just because you say so? because chance distribution theory says different. Are you ready to disprove it with solid mathematical proof?? If not, please refrain from saying things just because "they make sense to you" when someone has already pointed out that its wrong, it promotes mathematical illiteracy. thanks. There's no place like space
Paranoid Loyd 3807	Posted - 2015.02.09 17:39:43 - [44] - Quote Celestia Via wrote: Nevil Oscillator wrote: The maths is fine so long as you don't ignore relevant factors such as the chances of someone dying does change with age. just because you say so? because chance distribution theory says different. Are you ready to disprove it with solid mathematical proof?? If not, please refrain from saying things just because "they make sense to you" when someone has already pointed out that its wrong, it promotes mathematical illiteracy. thanks. Hook, line and sinker. Don't feed the troll folks. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Pok Nibin Filial Pariahs 482	Posted - 2015.02.09 18:18:32 - [45] - Quote Celestia Via wrote: first of all, the chance was never 0.2, this is out of total people online. We would need the average of people mining in highsec. If we assume this to be.. 1/10th? of all people online, chances climb to 2%. Even thats not correct, since its vague, (2% per what?) Mining is an ongoing process in time, and therefore a Poisson distribution needs to be used to determine proper chance of being ganked (per day/hour/minute) while mining in highsec. And yes, the Poisson dist. does have the "amnesia" property, meaning that, for example, not being ganked for the past year, or just having been ganked does not alter the chance to be ganked again in any way. edit: to clarify on amnesia : If the Poisson distribution of chance says for example, that you have a 5% chance to be ganked each hour, its just that. Spending additional hours does not add to the chance. Another example is human lifespan, if each person has for eg. a 1% chance to die at any given time, someone who is already 110 years old still has the same chance (1%) to die at any given time. It might seem logical for an old person to have increased chance, but its incorrect. Math is fun, eh? No. We would not require the total people mining. It's "ganking" period. Cherry picking not required. Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
Nevil Oscillator 170	Posted - 2015.02.09 18:36:56 - [46] - Quote Celestia Via wrote: just because you say so? because chance distribution theory says different. Are you ready to disprove it with solid mathematical proof?? If not, please refrain from saying things just because "they make sense to you" when someone has already pointed out that its wrong, it promotes mathematical illiteracy. thanks. The frailness of the elderly is not my say so
Celestia Via Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance 29	Posted - 2015.02.09 18:46:13 - [47] - Quote Nevil Oscillator wrote: The frailness of the elderly is not my say so The frailess of the elderly is not a mathematic variable. If you make it one, how is it compared to the frailness of infants or middle aged people? the sentence "Old people have more chances to die" only seems logical to you because you havent thought it through. If you try your best and see cannot see how wrong it is, perhaps logic is not your strong point, you are an intuitive type who is better suited for literature or poetry. i dunno. There's no place like space
Nevil Oscillator 170	Posted - 2015.02.09 18:51:10 - [48] - Quote Celestia Via wrote: Nevil Oscillator wrote: The frailness of the elderly is not my say so The frailess of the elderly is not a mathematic variable. If you make it one, how is it compared to the frailness of infants or middle aged people? the sentence "Old people have more chances to die" only seems logical to you because you havent thought it through. If you try your best and see cannot see how wrong it is, perhaps logic is not your strong point, you are an intuitive type who is better suited for literature or poetry. i dunno. It can be statistically quantified, as can the fatality level of all age groups but statistically everyone who is 100 now will be dead in 50 years time. Not so for younger people.
Dalloway Jones Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 263	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:18:13 - [49] - Quote The threat of gankers possibly coming for me was the only thing that kept mining somewhat interesting. Miiners should really be thanking gankers.
Hippinse University of Caille Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2015.02.09 19:18:27 - [50] - Quote For the purposes of selling permits, recruiting, etc., gankers will tell everyone that they're lurking behind every asteroid and it's just a short matter of time until they join the tally of destroyed ships. For the purposes of advocating for adjustments to the game (ore distribution in nullsec, nerfs/buffs to gankers, nerfs/buffs to mining barges, etc) gankers will happily tell the world that getting ganked is the unlikeliest thing that could ever happen to someone. The message depends on what is being sold. (Speaking of which, what are you selling, OP?) My anecdotal observations: I mine exclusively in missions because while I was never ganked, I grew tired of people "innocently" warping to my belt and testing my reactions. It's not that what they're doing isn't valid gameplay, but the feigned innocence/ignorance just grew to be insulting. I didn't mind them confirming I wasn't a bot. I minded when they knew that I wasn't a bot and they couldn't come clean or at least come up with a non-insulting lie. (I know exactly why they're slowboating towards me in their venture/destroyer/etc when I'm 40km off the warp-in behind one end of the belt.) These days I still have people scan me down and warp to me, but they're mostly mission flippers.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 8814	Posted - 2015.02.09 20:11:55 - [51] - Quote good hustle nevil, you owe Abrazzar though as hes provided the content here. you need to give a little to keep them going dude, its not enough to just ask a question and the sit being deliberately obtuse for four or five pages. 4/10 you get points for moving out of the new bro section. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Nevil Oscillator 170	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:06:42 - [52] - Quote Dalloway Jones wrote: The threat of gankers possibly coming for me was the only thing that kept mining somewhat interesting. Miiners should really be thanking gankers. I understand this sentiment but mining while at war beats it hands down because there are people out there with a reason to attack you and concord will not do anything about it. It beats the everyone is the enemy mentality of gank paranoia because you have a real enemy. I go straight to a belt and start chatting with the other miners, yeah they could look up my corp history and see who I am at war with and tell them where I am but so what ? Bring it on
Cara Forelli Green Skull LLC 912	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:18:19 - [53] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: you get points for ~~moving out of~~being removed from the new bro section. FTFY. One can dream. Adventures New player with questions? Join my public channel in game: *House Forelli* Titan's Lament
Nevil Oscillator 170	Posted - 2015.02.09 21:47:23 - [54] - Quote Cara Forelli wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: you get points for ~~moving out of~~being removed from the new bro section. FTFY. One can dream. Questions in Questions Discussions in Discussions New Game Ideas in Discussions until you know what it is you think should be done
ISD Decoy ISD Community Communications Liaisons 367	Posted - 2015.02.09 22:20:19 - [55] - Quote Quote: 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. OP is derailing his own thread. This will get a lock. ISD Decoy Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

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