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GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.02 21:37:00 - [1] Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 02/10/2006 21:37:40 I'm actually surprised that there aren't more high-scale conflicts being fought in the cluster at the moment. It could be that more are igniting now that BoB and ASCN lead the way with the Great Southern War (a name that I consider ill-considered - if it continues long enough to be great, it certainly deserves it's own moniker). Consider the following: 1) a lot of groups have put up outposts 2) the functionality of outposts is not yet fully developed 3) Kali will change the role of outposts & sovereignty As Kali should herald real changes to what you can do by claiming space, possibly in the form of outpost improvements, some kind of gate control and perhaps sentry guns, it seems obvious that the value of outposts is about to skyrocket. Not only that, but it is quite likely that in the future they are far more defensible structures than right now. For warfare considerations, the outpost may become a force multiplier. I think it was Napoleon that went on at length about how in every conflict there comes the opportune moment and that it is vital to not only recognize, but to have the dash to seize it. The spoils of victory belong to those who do. The only sensible alternative for aspiring power-mongers is to claim as many outposts as possible right now.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.02 21:43:00 - [2] node crash > lag > bob and ascn combined. no other entity dare face such harrowing odds. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Swor Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.10.02 21:53:00 - [3] As important as outposts may be there are other, easier to hit areas bob could have attacked had they wanted more space i believe this war is more about putting ASCN in their place respectively, BoB feels that ACSN is getting too strong and so they strike now, before ASCN can get more and more titans Besides, all they really want is the forum whorage from a certain titan lossmail i don't really care, this is better than watching oprah
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.02 22:12:00 - [4] To be honest im not surprised there isnt the rush to claim as many outposts as possible that you describe. The only main alliance entity that isnt involved in a major conflict at the moment is D2. RED & LV et al have been at it for months; BOB & ASCN are now battling it out. For perhaps the frst time in a long time, the most peacefull region is the North. The North remains relatively peacefull. & i dont think D2 or any other of the major Northern entites plan to purposely tip this balance into fullscale war for the sake of some outposts. The server issues are certainly another factor, but of course this hasnt stopped BOB attacking ASCN & no doubt if another alliance with the capacity really wanted to, it wouldnt stop them either. Of course focusing on the Big alliances argueably means ive ignored the potential for smaller alliances to do waht you say & rush to get as many outposts as they can. But i think server issues & the weight of numbers the main alliances can muster is enough to put off any aspiring powerhouses from attempting such a move. Finally, Its important to remember the context of Napoleons words. Namely that every monarchy in Europe wanted him deposed. So to strike first was something he really had to do. Such isnt the case for most if not all the alliances of EVE, large & small.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.02 22:19:00 - [5] .. ofc there could be another simpler consideration.. no fighting for a big PVP alliance like BoB is just plain boring. Its quite possible this campaign is simply a way to oil the war machine and keep it nice and trim and also knock ASCN down a peg or two..
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.02 22:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche To be honest im not surprised there isnt the rush to claim as many outposts as possible that you describe. The only main alliance entity that isnt involved in a major conflict at the moment is D2. RED & LV et al have been at it for months; BOB & ASCN are now battling it out. For perhaps the frst time in a long time, the most peacefull region is the North. There's a lot of truth in that. The North couldn't even be called stable if it weren't for the presence of D2. However, I think the OP is right in assuming that outposts are going to be much more valuable. And it could be that BoB, having been an entity more or less left alone to build, saw the perfect opportunity to strike ASCN now, sooner than later. Especially if you consider the fact that ASCN/AXE (heck, ASCN alone, for that matter) were building outposts faster than they were, their infrastructure getting stronger, quicker. That advantage could be taken away, if they are put on the losing side of a full-scale capital war for a long period of time. The first capital war. That's what this one should be called, if it amounts to anything. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.02 22:32:00 - [7] Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 02/10/2006 22:33:43 Look, you guys are reading it wrong. I'm not saying this is why BoB is doing their attack. This is not really only a BoB thread. I'm just saying out loud an observation about a very real change in the situation that hasn't affected the paradigm yet. If you're buying stock, you wanna buy when its low, especially if you know the value is gonna skyrocket. It is also right that I took Napoleon's words out of their context, but he wasn't speaking about the current political climate back then either. He was actually talking about battlefield situations, while you could say I'm talking about the grand strategy level. I referred to Napoleon in this case to illustrate the principle of keeping your eyes open for opportunities. When things change, the greatest things can be accomplished, but these things are time-sensitive - the window remains open only so long. Sure, you can find lots of reasons not to do something. That's the difference between winners and losers, too. While the losers are making excuses not to do something, the winners are already bringing in the dreads. I did say it requires quite a bit of dash, but success and glory isn't made for everyone. This was, after all, for all the aspiring power-mongers out there.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.02 22:58:00 - [8] Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/10/2006 22:59:11 Originally by: GoGo Yubari Look, you guys are reading it wrong. I'm not saying this is why BoB is doing their attack. This is not really only a BoB thread. I'm just saying out loud an observation about a very real change in the situation that hasn't affected the paradigm yet. I understand that your observations are meant to be in a general sense, applicable to any entity... unfortunately, at this moment any talk of why entities might want to engage in major campaigns, will devolve into why BoB is attacking ASCN at this particular moment. BoB vs ASCN is after all flavour of the week. And lets face it no other entities are actually fighting eachother on a major scale atm..... Your outpost theory is a good one, but I think you are forgetting that the current status of the servers is abysmal. So any entity looking to engage in a major campaign atm has to look at the state of the servers and ask themselves is it worth wading through the quagmire of lag/node crashes to get myself a couple of extra outposts? Personally.. (this is just me), the only reason good enough to put myself through lag hell would be to stave off inertia and boredom. But perhaps.. your theory is actually correct, it very much depends on the personalities leading the alliance.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.02 23:05:00 - [9] ... oh forgot something else too... looking at D2 and LV... both of these have already had a first hand taste of the horrors of POS takedowns. D2 with TCF and LV with RA .. it is quite possible that LV and D2 are just about sick to death of anything that even resembles shooting at a POS. My bet is that both LV and D2 won't be doing anything big until they feel that the servers have improved.
Irrilian Eve University	Posted - 2006.10.02 23:34:00 - [10] BoB are a large pvp force made up from cherry picking experienced pilots from other corps. They apparently demand a great deal in discipline from their members, the pay off being the self respect from what they can achieve together, combat and industry, the two sides of the same coin when it comes to being a successful alliance. BoBÆs greatest risk is not from any other entity in the game, but from collapsing under their own mass. That is the need to keep their members busy and focused upon their collective goal or risk splintering. BoB and ASCN are two big super powers in the game, they have more to loose from others taking advantage of their distraction while they lock horns. Whatever your personal views, BoB members consider themselves as the best in the game. Yet itÆs not them whom are first to achieve one of the most significant landmarks in the game, significantly one that has the potential to change the nature of alliance warfare. So ASCN build their Titan and are not suitably demure in their achievement and perhaps the BoB rank and file whom are a bit restless from the lack of any real action recently are left wondering how they were trumped by the Hobbits. Whether their presence was innocent or not, ASCN takes offence at BoBÆs proxies building up in ASCNÆs sphere of influence and the resulting war kicks off. The forums are as much a battlefield as the game, divide and conquer, isolate your enemies from their allies, manipulate former enemies into willing serfs and so forth. But BoBÆs forum warriors are notable for their particular vociferousness and in their eagerness to attack their foes, their lack of finesse in this occasion, but why? It goes back to the sense of self worth that keeps BoBÆs rank and file focused, the message BoBÆs forum warriors spout is as much for BoBÆs consumption as the general public. That is, if the general attitude of the forums isnt suitably in awe of BoB, BoBÆs forum warriors will do their best to pat BoB on the back themselves while denigrating their foes, reassuring the membership that its ok, they are still the best. So in summary why this war and why now? Well to put in Freudian terms, SirMolle has male member envy (after all what is that Titan but one big schlong and note how BoBÆs forum warriors delighted in pointing out that on its first date, it was impotent), while the rank and file members have a Castration Complex. Im here all week, please tip your waitress.
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.02 23:43:00 - [11] Edited by: Beringe on 02/10/2006 23:44:32 Eh, never mind. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.02 23:43:00 - [12] Originally by: GoGo Yubari Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 02/10/2006 22:33:43 Sure, you can find lots of reasons not to do something. That's the difference between winners and losers, too. While the losers are making excuses not to do something, the winners are already bringing in the dreads. I did say it requires quite a bit of dash, but success and glory isn't made for everyone. This was, after all, for all the aspiring power-mongers out there. Problem is though that the server as it stands doesnt allow for aspiring alliances to "make a dash" for it & grab an outpost with the hope of holding it until Kali. OHGOD & TCF have both tried to use an opertunity & take an outpost. & for both of them the outcome was a long & protracted defence against a superior force, ultimately ending in their defeat. Perhaps there may be a spree of outpost building over the next month or so. But with the instability in the South & the Nap'ed (meaning a relatively small number of allainces are able to build outposts) there really isnt much scope for that until Kali & its new regions come along.
Lag Fest Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.02 23:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Irrilian BoB are a large pvp force made up from cherry picking experienced pilots from other corps. They apparently demand a great deal in discipline from their members, the pay off being the self respect from what they can achieve together, combat and industry, the two sides of the same coin when it comes to being a successful alliance. BoBÆs greatest risk is not from any other entity in the game, but from collapsing under their own mass. That is the need to keep their members busy and focused upon their collective goal or risk splintering. BoB and ASCN are two big super powers in the game, they have more to loose from others taking advantage of their distraction while they lock horns. Whatever your personal views, BoB members consider themselves as the best in the game. Yet itÆs not them whom are first to achieve one of the most significant landmarks in the game, significantly one that has the potential to change the nature of alliance warfare. So ASCN build their Titan and are not suitably demure in their achievement and perhaps the BoB rank and file whom are a bit restless from the lack of any real action recently are left wondering how they were trumped by the Hobbits. Whether their presence was innocent or not, ASCN takes offence at BoBÆs proxies building up in ASCNÆs sphere of influence and the resulting war kicks off. The forums are as much a battlefield as the game, divide and conquer, isolate your enemies from their allies, manipulate former enemies into willing serfs and so forth. But BoBÆs forum warriors are notable for their particular vociferousness and in their eagerness to attack their foes, their lack of finesse in this occasion, but why? It goes back to the sense of self worth that keeps BoBÆs rank and file focused, the message BoBÆs forum warriors spout is as much for BoBÆs consumption as the general public. That is, if the general attitude of the forums isnt suitably in awe of BoB, BoBÆs forum warriors will do their best to pat BoB on the back themselves while denigrating their foes, reassuring the membership that its ok, they are still the best. So in summary why this war and why now? Well to put in Freudian terms, SirMolle has male member envy (after all what is that Titan but one big schlong and note how BoBÆs forum warriors delighted in pointing out that on its first date, it was impotent), while the rank and file members have a Castration Complex. Im here all week, please tip your waitress. do you actually belive that crap? _______________________________________
Belid Hagen Illegitimate Royalty	Posted - 2006.10.02 23:55:00 - [14] omg - look out Irrilian, the forum squadron spotted dissenting oppinion.
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.03 00:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Irrilian Well Written Stuff Irrilian, You have the amazing ability to be totally wraped up in a conflict, event, or a thought. Yet no matter who is involved in this happening, often not even including yourself, You can remain one hundred percent (seemingly at least) unbias and provide your audience with a new and most of the time enlightening outlook. Your words seem to flow like water in your posts. If you were so inclined, I am sure you could best the most infamous forum *****s here. My only hope is that you never become bitter, as that would destroy something that that I can only aspire to achieve, and take away from someone who I often wish I could be more like. RIP MGRL
Cygwin Gaad Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.03 00:13:00 - [16] All quiet on the southern front.
Kespii Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.03 00:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Irrilian BoB are a large pvp force made up from cherry picking experienced pilots from other corps. They apparently demand a great deal in discipline from their members, the pay off being the self respect from what they can achieve together, combat and industry, the two sides of the same coin when it comes to being a successful alliance. BoBÆs greatest risk is not from any other entity in the game, but from collapsing under their own mass. That is the need to keep their members busy and focused upon their collective goal or risk splintering. BoB and ASCN are two big super powers in the game, they have more to loose from others taking advantage of their distraction while they lock horns. Whatever your personal views, BoB members consider themselves as the best in the game. Yet itÆs not them whom are first to achieve one of the most significant landmarks in the game, significantly one that has the potential to change the nature of alliance warfare. So ASCN build their Titan and are not suitably demure in their achievement and perhaps the BoB rank and file whom are a bit restless from the lack of any real action recently are left wondering how they were trumped by the Hobbits. Whether their presence was innocent or not, ASCN takes offence at BoBÆs proxies building up in ASCNÆs sphere of influence and the resulting war kicks off. The forums are as much a battlefield as the game, divide and conquer, isolate your enemies from their allies, manipulate former enemies into willing serfs and so forth. But BoBÆs forum warriors are notable for their particular vociferousness and in their eagerness to attack their foes, their lack of finesse in this occasion, but why? It goes back to the sense of self worth that keeps BoBÆs rank and file focused, the message BoBÆs forum warriors spout is as much for BoBÆs consumption as the general public. That is, if the general attitude of the forums isnt suitably in awe of BoB, BoBÆs forum warriors will do their best to pat BoB on the back themselves while denigrating their foes, reassuring the membership that its ok, they are still the best. So in summary why this war and why now? Well to put in Freudian terms, SirMolle has male member envy (after all what is that Titan but one big schlong and note how BoBÆs forum warriors delighted in pointing out that on its first date, it was impotent), while the rank and file members have a Castration Complex. Im here all week, please tip your waitress. If you think that ascn is the only alliance with a titan then...you need to look a little further into the announcement by ov. If you were a developer, would you give intel to everyone (secretly owning a titan), or only state that the first publically announced titan is the first one built? It wouldn't be smart to **** off the alliances that own titans but are reluctant to state that they do, for security reasons.
Promon Delnai Scorn. Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.03 00:18:00 - [18] Edited by: Promon Delnai on 03/10/2006 00:18:00 Originally by: Hectic Originally by: Irrilian Well Written Stuff Irrilian, You have the amazing ability to be totally wraped up in a conflict, event, or a thought. Yet no matter who is involved in this happening, often not even including yourself, You can remain one hundred percent (seemingly at least) unbias and provide your audience with a new and most of the time enlightening outlook. Your words seem to flow like water in your posts. If you were so inclined, I am sure you could best the most infamous forum ***s here. My only hope is that you never become bitter, as that would destroy something that that I can only aspire to achieve, and take away from someone who I often wish I could be more like. That was a respectful and articulate post by a BoB member that didn't smack one** person! checks the thermometer in hell
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.03 01:20:00 - [19] Nelson > Napoleon CEO - Art of War
Roxanna Kell Holy Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.03 01:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Nebuli Nelson > Napoleon nelson who? Paramenion > all generals. Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.03 04:02:00 - [21] Edited by: Rebellion on 03/10/2006 04:04:39 Irrilian, you are thinking way too hard about these things. The sole reason for the existence of BoB is combat, not for anyone's ego (especially Molle, who doesn't have one), or for anything else except combat. If it makes it easier, just think of BoB in the same terms as the Golden Horde of Genghis Khan. It will not be far from the truth. Ultimately, the only reason why ASCN's Titan would matter to us is because it matters to them.
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.03 04:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Nebuli Nelson > Napoleon nelson who? Paramenion > all generals. pfft... thermopilae > any general ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.10.03 04:45:00 - [23] I think people are hoping that Kali fixes POS wars. Its probably not going to happen since it looks like CCP is moving in the direction of making territory HARDER to conquer and requiring more and bigger capitals but hey, one can still hope that they realise that sitting for weeks to take a single system against an alliance that won't fight fleet to fleet is not any fun. Oh well. We will see. Fear is the mind-killer.
Roxanna Kell Holy Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.03 04:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Ituralde I think people are hoping that Kali fixes POS wars. Its probably not going to happen since it looks like CCP is moving in the direction of making territory HARDER to conquer and requiring more and bigger capitals but hey, one can still hope that they realise that sitting for weeks to take a single system against an alliance that won't fight fleet to fleet is not any fun. Oh well. We will see. in a way i agree. Because of how small eve is starting to feel, since there is hardly a route not traveled or cosntelation not occupied. Maybe we will have more system based territorial conquest isntead of region. make it harder to fight for that inch. Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
Sebo Darrens Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.03 05:06:00 - [25] Edited by: Sebo Darrens on 03/10/2006 05:07:24 Originally by: Rebellion The sole reason for the existence of BoB is combat, not for anyone's ego (especially Molle, who doesn't have one), or for anything else except combat. If it makes it easier, just think of BoB in the same terms as the Golden Horde of Genghis Khan. It will not be far from the truth. It rather more appears to be (national socialist)* germany in 1938, in the geopolitical sense.. ôAny alliance whose purpose is not the intention to wage war is senseless and useless.ö - Adolf H. * big caveat: (national socialist) is a buzzword and I mean it in the literal sense of geopolitics, not in terms of other horrific considerations
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.03 05:25:00 - [26] Originally by: Sebo Darrens It rather more appears to be (national socialist)* germany in 1938, in the geopolitical sense.. ôAny alliance whose purpose is not the intention to wage war is senseless and useless.ö - Adolf H. * big caveat: (national socialist) is a buzzword and I mean it in the literal sense of geopolitics, not in terms of other horrific considerations @ your post EVE Forum Whoring 101 Rule number 1 : Do not under any circumstances drag RL political comparisons into a discussion, no matter how innocent the intention.... .. I may have to publish the rest of it soon(tm) as some posters are servely lacking in their etiquette

Saucerhead Forum Moderator	Posted - 2006.10.03 07:55:00 - [27] No real life political comparisons please. -- Read the Rules!

Turkantho Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.03 10:11:00 - [28] Originally by: Nez Perces .. it is quite possible that LV and D2 are just about sick to death of anything that even resembles shooting at a POS. My bet is that both LV and D2 won't be doing anything big until they feel that the servers have improved. you are correct on the first part... ________ Asgar[D]¦
JabJabVVV The Four Aces Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.03 10:55:00 - [29] Edited by: JabJabVVV on 03/10/2006 11:04:27 I'd say there is quite a bit of fighting going on at the moment, especially in the south (can't really comment on the north). In the south west there is of course ASCN and Axe Vs BoB and FIX, in the south there is UK and ISS vs the pirates (though I think that may be largely over) in the south east there is of course the age old battle of LV, KOS, -V- etc Vs RA and friends. Then there is also CHIMP, Myriad and ourselves fighting in Immensea against IAC, UNL and various other entities (mostly RA, RAT and other friends) that show up from time to time. Not to mention various battles that I have no doubt overlooked due to ignorance on my behalf. These wars are just not widely publicised and are quite low key due to the current difficulties (and tedium) involved with long term, large scale territorial fighting. EDIT: Incidentally I think you meant Wellington > Napoleon, itÆs somewhat more analogous than Nelson > Napoleon, Nelson being an Admiral who never fought Napoleon (though he did have great successes against the French admirals) whereas Wellington was the general who fought and defeated Napoleon in his final battle, thus causing his downfall.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.03 11:00:00 - [30] GoGo, I think the reasons why there aren't more wars is, among others: * Capital ship races * Outpost building * POS deployments - In other words, there is a lot of industrial stuff to occupy people with * The alliances of today are plentiful and small * There are few larger interest groups - Because alliances are small, their squabbles are small and more easily handled by diplomats. * Pre-emptive strikes by (mainly) BoB * Capital ships in hands of vultures* - Because of this the destruction of industrial projects by non-territorial forces ensure that the overall fighting spirit is low, and that the reconstruction takes up a lot of time and effort. * catch-all for pirates, terrorists and mercs - the scum of the universe. Whether they are respected, or even worshipped, does not aply - they, we, are still the scum who live off of other people's missery and who live for other people's missery. (Isn't it great? ) - Three years old

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