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Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.04 00:44:00 - [61] tbh, I'm frankly disgusted by the childishness displayed here by a couple of posters... you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.. I'm guessing we won't ever see another dev post here... GG.
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.10.04 00:46:00 - [62] Originally by: Nez Perces tbh, I'm frankly disgusted by the childishness displayed here by a couple of posters... you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.. I'm guessing we won't ever see another dev post here... GG. and I am disgusted by naivety of some posters and their obvious inability to comprehend what they are reading. You should be ashamed of yourselves. GG
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.04 01:01:00 - [63] Nice to see one of the Devs finally breaking their silence on this subforum. props sharkbait It is a refreshing change to see a war being fought at least on the surface bacause its "fun". Whether or not there are deeper, darker reasons for this attack (removing the largest, if not most threatening, alliance from 0.0 would certainly further BOBs goal of ruling the cluster ), its a nice change from that tedious protracted quagmire that is RED vs rest of the East that usually clutters this forum. & amoung the flaming & trolling there are as the Dev said some good & interesting points being raised in this & other threads. Cant say Goons vs D2 was so easy on the eyes. Real bees arnt that foul mouthed . So this war has done some good. Its got a dev to break their silence (dispite the fire it seems to have attracted ). & Its inspired some to debate & discuss some very interesting & potentially important ideas, which i like coz it means i can write more then "woooo D2 ftw" etc. Now if only every war could do that. Props BOB for starting this war when you did, even if for political reasons i want you to lose it
Baun Aliastra	Posted - 2006.10.04 01:03:00 - [64] Originally by: Rift Scorn Alternativley with engements of numbers on both side counting in the hundreds, such mass collisions give the devs exactley the kind of information they need? I am sure the information is useful. Given, however, that node crashes were happening in other similiarly large engagements it is notably odd that we were not given Dev assurances that they were continuously monitoring what is going on, much less an implication that specific aid might be rendered for the conflict. Quote: I'm guessing because this is one of the largest scale engements at the moment that why data collection is taken there. And why see it as favouritism to BoB? Could equally be favouritism to ASCN. Yet somehow i suspect professionalism is higher than that. Its disingenuous to question why it is seen as BOB favoristism. Accurate or not (or regardless to what extent it is accurate), there is an apparent perception that BOB is a favorite of ISD and the devs (off hand, this, in my opinion, stems mostly from that fact that BOB, like all entities with a lot of old players, have a LOT of ISD members). To that end, a dev popping up for the first time in a BOB war after a relatively consistent trend of awful lag in large engagements that did not involve BOB is, at best, naive on their part. Quote: having not been in all the other mass conflicts where lag has been present, but i'm guessing there has been data collected in the TCF/D2 conflicts, the -LV-/RA conflicts, the MC/TBB contract. All of these had combatants numbering in teh hundreds, and each war summary i saw reported monster lag, and i'm guessing people from those campaign's saw GM's there as well. Aside from the obvious difference between GMs and Devs, assuming that you are correct (and you probably are), it still demonstrates a lack of knowledge about the perception of the community for Devs to pop up here. This is just an argument for them to have been a bit more roundabout. It might seem silly, but it really would have been in their interests. The Enemy's Gate is Down

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2006.10.04 01:04:00 - [65] Previous to this war other devs have been known to pop up in busy systems when there is fighting to log and investigate into lag and other issues. The servers just need our never ending love and attention so continuous logging and adjusting is required. Also in response to another thread I wish to call this war the Tutti Frutti War because it sounds happy and fun. all flavours, all ships thing, get it? Trapped in Signature Factory. Send help - Eris pink Dread

Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.04 01:08:00 - [66] Originally by: Heldane Originally by: Nez Perces tbh, I'm frankly disgusted by the childishness displayed here by a couple of posters... you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.. I'm guessing we won't ever see another dev post here... GG. and I am disgusted by naivety of some posters and their obvious inability to comprehend what they are reading. You should be ashamed of yourselves. GG I'm reading your tinfoil-hattery, thats about it.
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.04 01:13:00 - [67] Edited by: Louis DelaBlanche on 04/10/2006 01:13:50 Quote: Its not a conspiracy! BoB & CCP hold hands! rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble etc. Please can these posts stop? The only reason we dont read of devs investigating the other major wars is because one of the Devs didnt take the time to post on forums about it. Maybe their silence has only acted as a fuel for such accusations. But given the response from some posters to his post (some mere observations, some just darn aggressive), its no surprise to me they dont post more often. edit: well shut my mouth another posted. props eris BOB & CCP arnt bed fellows. If CCP were to pick sides, im sure theyd pick ASCN coz theres more of them = more subscriptions = more $$$.
Baun Aliastra	Posted - 2006.10.04 01:47:00 - [68] Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche Edited by: Louis DelaBlanche on 04/10/2006 01:13:50 Quote: Its not a conspiracy! BoB & CCP hold hands! rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble etc. Please can these posts stop? The only reason we dont read of devs investigating the other major wars is because one of the Devs didnt take the time to post on forums about it. As for as it goes for me, that the extent of the issue. The Devs should be aware of the perception out there and not put themselves in a bad situation like this. I have no doubts about their actual impartiality, I just think they need to protect themselves from the perception that they are not impartial. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Crass Spektakel Amarr Coreward Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.04 02:36:00 - [69] I don't see what makes this BOB-Hobbit-event so special that it gets extra attention for issues. When the Goons fought in XZH there where sometimes so many pilots in one system that you couldn't enter the system coz "system full" (600). Didn't see any help back then. Crass Spektakel life is short and in most cases it ends with death but my tombstone will carry the hiscore
Jirad TiSalver Caldari Four Horsemen	Posted - 2006.10.04 02:40:00 - [70] Originally by: Irrilian BoB are a large pvp force made up from cherry picking experienced pilots from other corps. They apparently demand a great deal in discipline from their members, the pay off being the self respect from what they can achieve together, combat and industry, the two sides of the same coin when it comes to being a successful alliance. BoBÆs greatest risk is not from any other entity in the game, but from collapsing under their own mass. That is the need to keep their members busy and focused upon their collective goal or risk splintering. BoB and ASCN are two big super powers in the game, they have more to loose from others taking advantage of their distraction while they lock horns. Whether their presence was innocent or not, ASCN takes offence at BoBÆs proxies building up in ASCNÆs sphere of influence and the resulting war kicks off. The forums are as much a battlefield as the game, divide and conquer, isolate your enemies from their allies, manipulate former enemies into willing serfs and so forth. But BoBÆs forum warriors are notable for their particular vociferousness and in their eagerness to attack their foes, their lack of finesse in this occasion, but why? It goes back to the sense of self worth that keeps BoBÆs rank and file focused, the message BoBÆs forum warriors spout is as much for BoBÆs consumption as the general public. That is, if the general attitude of the forums isnt suitably in awe of BoB, BoBÆs forum warriors will do their best to pat BoB on the back themselves while denigrating their foes, reassuring the membership that its ok, they are still the best. So in summary why this war and why now? Well to put in Freudian terms, SirMolle has male member envy (after all what is that Titan but one big schlong and note how BoBÆs forum warriors delighted in pointing out that on its first date, it was impotent), while the rank and file members have a Castration Complex. Im here all week, please tip your waitress. I think this is a very unbiased and very good psychological analysis of what is going on. Just my 2 cents. Very good read Irrilian.
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.04 03:20:00 - [71] Edited by: Rebellion on 04/10/2006 03:22:41 Poor devs, they're flamed if they don't look at issues, and they're flamed if they do look at issues. I think they're doing what they've always done. To think that they've been lax in addressing EVE problems is patently absurd and stupid. This is their cash cow, of course they want to fix any problems with it. The only difference now is they they annouce what they've been doing all along. The reason for that is probably the very public nature of the BoB-ASCN fisticuffs. Why is that? Well, we're celebrities! We're famous! People love us! I think most of you are just jealous. At any rate, one thing is sure: It's all Molle's fault. EDIT: Jirad, if you believe that, then I feel it's my responsibility to tell you that among the many inaccuracies in what Irrilian posted, the very first sentence is already wrong. People just think too hard sometimes.
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.04 04:05:00 - [72] Edited by: Emrod on 04/10/2006 04:05:45 Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche Originally by: GoGo Yubari Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 02/10/2006 22:33:43 Sure, you can find lots of reasons not to do something. That's the difference between winners and losers, too. While the losers are making excuses not to do something, the winners are already bringing in the dreads. I did say it requires quite a bit of dash, but success and glory isn't made for everyone. This was, after all, for all the aspiring power-mongers out there. Problem is though that the server as it stands doesnt allow for aspiring alliances to "make a dash" for it & grab an outpost with the hope of holding it until Kali. OHGOD & TCF have both tried to use an opertunity & take an outpost. & for both of them the outcome was a long & protracted defence against a superior force, ultimately ending in their defeat. Hmm Hmm....temporary defeat atm and we take a break in the south of venal,watching your guys camp us at station and read their flammes and annoying theory about our lag conspiracy in d7 For the Goon they have gone help our friend of RA and they are now much big than ever, very far to be defeat! For TCF you always underestimate us anyways like all arrogant empire who have sicks of Pos war and infinit guerilla! You win at Tribute, but we still in the North and the North are big....with many new possibility to **** you off Anyways thx again for the good figth and see you in space people of the Northern Coalition The Tau Ceti Federation, proudly *** off the Northern Coalition till 2006*
Creamster Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.04 04:11:00 - [73] Originally by: Lord Draco To the AAA guy, yeah whatever as well. Maybe if they didn't have to waste a weak watching you exploit complex and deal with that **** they would have more time to do important things. It takes an average person about 3 seconds to figure out that aaa's complex grinding technique is no different from any others. Possibly up to half an hour if you're from bobland or hoboland. A week for a dev that's pushing it unless you've got some inside info. By the way if the rumor is true and you do have connections with devs would be nice to see masterminds of ascn lag defense program banned. You know who they are ___________ In LAG we trust
Celero Incendium Fist of the Goat	Posted - 2006.10.04 04:19:00 - [74] Hey, excuse me everyone, but can we get back to the real issue here...Blacklight called me a girl. That's just not right. --ci
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.04 05:11:00 - [75] Originally by: Creamster It takes an average person about 3 seconds to figure out that aaa's complex grinding technique is no different from any others. rofl, com'mon dude. It isnt you or your corp, but the guy whom I quoted, his corp. I wouln't try and defend what transpired with those 8-10 plexes if I were you tbh.
Sadist Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.04 05:23:00 - [76] Originally by: Lord Draco rofl, com'mon dude. It isnt you or your corp, but the guy whom I quoted, his corp. I wouln't try and defend what transpired with those 8-10 plexes if I were you tbh. Take your flames elsewhere please, thank you. I could easily make the generalisation and call you a** because I was smacktalked by some dice members in local a while ago, but evidently now I won't have to, because you've already made yourself look like one by opening your mouth and assuming something that you have no clue about. And the complex problems have nothing to do with the topic anyway - maybe if plexes weren't so ** up in the first place, there'd be no need for fixing them, yes? So, umm, you fail, next bob forum *? òòòòòòòòòòòò VIP member of the [23] Quote:** - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
Witch Doctor Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.04 06:11:00 - [77] Just for the record, after the node crashes, we did see devs in the 9UY system repeatedly. Can we get back on the real topic? I can't even see the tracks with how far this topic got derailed.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.10.04 06:12:00 - [78] I think someone said something wise about upcoming Kali .. you can read it on my signature Unnerf Amarr!Ö "I read somewhere that Kali will be featuring turn-based combat to increase immersion." ¬ Waagaa Ktlehr
Sharcy Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.04 06:51:00 - [79] Originally by: Heldane So now that BoB and ASCN are having lag issues with their war you decide to take it seriously. What could possibly compel you to further entrench the (silly) idea that fovoritism is given to BoB? Tsk... Don't you understand? All the Devs are in BoB and this war is just one big stress test... Hats anyone? --
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.04 07:25:00 - [80] Edited by: Nez Perces on 04/10/2006 07:26:03 Originally by: Sharcy Hats anyone? I'll take two please... /emote dons tinfoil hat. ... 101!!MC+Bob=Dev favouritism11!!!! lmao at you noobs who don't realise it !!lol11 rabble rabble ..etc, etc.... /emote removes tinfoil hat... ........ woah.. that was scary, those things should carry a health warning
Torquemanda Corteaz Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.04 07:43:00 - [81] i can tell you that there were several ISD members and CCP staff lurking in D7-ZAC, in the final days of the siege. They managed to witness a few node deaths. So the "devs favour bob and/or ascn!1" is rubbish. I'm glad for the new large scale war, with the war being much more public and participated in more on a pos offence/defence level. It puts pressure (well not really pressure, but a sense of urgency) on the devs to find problem and fast (oh and warzones are fun) ASCN and BoB are some of the most vocal alliances on these forums so now they're ecountering the same problems we did a month earlier I'd imagine the whole ccp team is getting a real ear full (well the go an earful from us, but this time its gonna be HUUGE) I hope BoB and ASCN blow the bejesus out of each other and feel our pain when it come to heavy pos warfare
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 07:47:00 - [82] Why is everybody whinning when a GM announces that they are following the war fom very close ? Only because BOB is involved ? GM's showed up during the latest Tribute campaign and they eventually fixed the lag giving the system their own resources.... Before that was simply impossible to do anything then skirmishes near the gates. I see this has good news, and TBH it would be even better if the POS assaults started in the meanwhile, so the GM could actually experience what is LAG going sky high on those times. Maybe something good would come from all the data he is receiving ... maybe POS spam to take sov. ends when CPP realises that the present resources are maybe to low to handle how Aliance Warfare works on this days.
Sha Dar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.04 09:32:00 - [83] Originally by: Torquemanda Corteaz ASCN and BoB are some of the most vocal alliances on these forums so now they're ecountering the same problems we did a month earlier I'd imagine the whole ccp team is getting a real ear full (well the go an earful from us, but this time its gonna be HUUGE) Not being funny but as a general rule, ASCN are highly restricted in posting here, even when it does concern us, so not really. BoB yes, ASCN no.

Sharkbait	Posted - 2006.10.04 09:56:00 - [84] Originally by: Heldane Edited by: Heldane on 03/10/2006 23:52:10 Quote: there was some good points and comments in this topic. very rare i get past the 2nd line without being bored. but to address the comments on the server stability. well. this war between bob and ascn is good, ok it's killing nodes and causing some lag but as i spend alot of my time lately doing TQ related stuff, i decided to follow the war where it goes. as ascn and bob can verify, i am offen in the system they are fighting in, altho they can see it, i am gathering some good logfiles and tasklet logs, which is helping us out alot. while bob and ascn continue to fight, i will be there logging hoping to get some information into why the server isn't happy about such events. So now that BoB and ASCN are having lag issues with their war you decide to take it seriously. What could possibly compel you to further entrench the (silly) idea that fovoritism is given to BoB? I appreciate the fact that you are paying attention to the public outcry over the issue (finally) but why is it only now that you decide to grace the nodes in question with your presence when countless others have made the same complaints prior to this war? Did you simply assume they were all just whiners and complainers and making a big deal over nothing, or was it the more likely scenario of common dev silence over heavily discussed known issues? Surely you can understand why others will view this announcement with a mixture of joy and contempt. just to get things clear. i am not bob. i am not ascn. i REALLY don't care for comments like this. i am still very much learning how to monitor whats happening, there is alot involved that has to be done and i'm still working it out. but i am at least trying oh and to the people defending me and ccp. thx alot, it does mean something to us and does help me read the forums instead of ignoring them Spank You later


Zhuge Liang Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.10.04 10:06:00 - [85] And on that note anymore off topic replies to this thread after this post will be deleted and possibly warned for. Stay on the original topic please, thank you. forum rules \| [email protected]

GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.04 10:18:00 - [86] Oh dear God, what have they done to my baby? Lag is a factor, true enough, but it is one that effects all parties equally. Therefore it really becomes a secondary concern if your mind is truly bent on galactic conquest. It's just one thing you have to overcome on your way or one more excuse for you to use in an effort to remain mediocre. Don't like to do your own fighting then? Hire mercs, most of who're still taking difficult assignments, never mind the prevailing conditions - that's value for your money right there. Anyway, enough marketing speak. Then again, it is true that we don't know exactly what will happen to the mechanics and options around outposts and sovereignty after Kali hits us. My view of the matter is perhaps highly optimistic in regards to their rising value. However, I think it is safe to say that at least it isn't going to go down. There's lots of outposts ripe for the plucking, gents.
Kazim The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.04 12:50:00 - [87] Edited by: Kazim on 04/10/2006 12:50:27 Originally by: Eris Discordia Previous to this war other devs have been known to pop up in busy systems when there is fighting to log and investigate into lag and other issues. The servers just need our never ending love and attention so continuous logging and adjusting is required. PS have you noticed how many Stress Testing there is going on SISI? We want to give a lot of wub to the servers and find out more about lag and of course how to fix it. Also in response to another thread I wish to call this war the Tutti Frutti War because it sounds happy and fun. all flavours, all ships thing, get it? Also get back on topic before I get into my old habits again Thank you Is it true what they say...? Are you a girl that plays around with computers?? But anyway good to see devs taking notice and throwing little snippets our way.
Magnus Thermopyle Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.04 13:04:00 - [88] We often had devs in locals earlier when I was in F-E and we had big battles vs Five and later G, so this is not something new. Its nice to see the devs continuing to monitor the server problems. I just hope they play as players in a few battles as well, so they can experience the frustration of clicking the same module a gazillion times without anything happening, and then suddenly waking up in a clonewat in a station
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.04 13:19:00 - [89] Originally by: Jirad TiSalver Originally by: Irrilian snip I think this is a very unbiased and very good psychological analysis of what is going on. Just my 2 cents. Very good read Irrilian. It's also completely wrong I'm afraid.
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.04 13:22:00 - [90] Considering the two parties involved in the conflict and the current state of war-stock on both sides, Dev's spending time in systems with BOB/ASCN is a great idea as you can count on an engagement actually occuring, therefore gathering plenty of information pre- and post- node crash. I'd hate to have devs spend 7 hours sitting in a system where 150+ battle might or might not happen as both parties are used to dancing the walz instead of a rumba together. You just know BoB + ASCN will rumba. I'm sure less tinfoil hats are sold due to the fact they actually post this on forums, instead of just lurking in local. Bad for business tbh.

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