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Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.04 14:05:00 - [91] Edited by: Cyleth on 04/10/2006 14:05:45 Originally by: Sharcy Tsk... Don't you understand? All the Devs are in BoB and this war is just one big stress test... Hats anyone? You wanted a hat? Anyway, good that our fights are getting monitored. Hope it solves things. -- Nobody stays behind
Spaja Saist Gallente Isotope Industries	Posted - 2006.10.04 14:57:00 - [92] Originally by: Rebellion Edited by: Rebellion on 03/10/2006 04:04:39 Irrilian, you are thinking way too hard about these things. The sole reason for the existence of BoB is combat, not for anyone's ego (especially Molle, who doesn't have one), or for anything else except combat. If it makes it easier, just think of BoB in the same terms as the Golden Horde of Genghis Khan. It will not be far from the truth. Ultimately, the only reason why ASCN's Titan would matter to us is because it matters to them. Please spare us. Irrilian's post was spot on. This is all about BOB's ego being bruised and everyone knows it. It wasn't till the titan showed up that BOB suddenly decided it was time for war. Admit it you guys have ***** envy and your members are bored.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.04 15:29:00 - [93] No offence, but the Great Southern War has got an awful lot of node/dev attention. So much in fact, that it seems completely untenable to take a fleet of more than 25 anywhere else in the south. We've tried a few times now, and simply had to turn bck due to unbearable lag. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Spaja Saist Gallente Isotope Industries	Posted - 2006.10.04 15:43:00 - [94] Originally by: Witch Doctor Just for the record, after the node crashes, we did see devs in the 9UY system repeatedly. Can we get back on the real topic? I can't even see the tracks with how far this topic got derailed. Come on now be honest. Everyone knows you guys are the biggest exploiters in the game. And if ASCN is now using lag tactics you only have yourself to blame. Since the devs refused to do anything about your lag exploits Cyvok told all of ascn if the devs aren't going to do anything about it then ascn should use the same tactics against you.
grizouh Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.04 15:56:00 - [95] Originally by: Eris Discordia PS have you noticed how many Stress Testing there is going on SISI? We want to give a lot of wub to the servers and find out more about lag and of course how to fix it. aye, took part at 2 stress tests so far, both times until the node chrashed and yes, there were gms in both last big battle areas of D2 in xzh and d7. the only difference is they haven¦t been there in the first week or i simply did not recognize them <g> but aside from all favourism and/or tinfoilhats, the main point is ccp will hopefully be able to fix the current state of alliance warfare. how they do it is subsidiary.
Agent Kenshin Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.04 15:59:00 - [96] Originally by: Spaja Saist Originally by: Witch Doctor Just for the record, after the node crashes, we did see devs in the 9UY system repeatedly. Can we get back on the real topic? I can't even see the tracks with how far this topic got derailed. Come on now be honest. Everyone knows you guys are the biggest exploiters in the game. And if ASCN is now using lag tactics you only have yourself to blame. Since the devs refused to do anything about your lag exploits Cyvok told all of ascn if the devs aren't going to do anything about it then ascn should use the same tactics against you. Last time i checked MC arent shooting ASCN. /emote goes back to double check to make sure Witch is still in MC... Yep he still is. ----- Station Invunerablity POS Module
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.04 16:01:00 - [97] Originally by: Spaja Saist Originally by: Rebellion Edited by: Rebellion on 03/10/2006 04:04:39 Irrilian, you are thinking way too hard about these things. The sole reason for the existence of BoB is combat, not for anyone's ego (especially Molle, who doesn't have one), or for anything else except combat. If it makes it easier, just think of BoB in the same terms as the Golden Horde of Genghis Khan. It will not be far from the truth. Ultimately, the only reason why ASCN's Titan would matter to us is because it matters to them. Please spare us. Irrilian's post was spot on. This is all about BOB's ego being bruised and everyone knows it. It wasn't till the titan showed up that BOB suddenly decided it was time for war. Admit it you guys have ***** envy and your members are bored. Well, apparently and according to CYVOK we've wanted PS since DICE joined us. So, which is it? Do we want PS? Or is our ego bruised? Or do we just want to be the first to kill a Titan? Make up your minds, pick one.
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.04 16:06:00 - [98] Originally by: Spaja Saist Originally by: Witch Doctor Just for the record, after the node crashes, we did see devs in the 9UY system repeatedly. Can we get back on the real topic? I can't even see the tracks with how far this topic got derailed. Come on now be honest. Everyone knows you guys are the biggest exploiters in the game. And if ASCN is now using lag tactics you only have yourself to blame. Since the devs refused to do anything about your lag exploits Cyvok told all of ascn if the devs aren't going to do anything about it then ascn should use the same tactics against you. Yeah, everyone knows MC are the biggest exploiters in the game! Wait, what? --- Wave of Mutilation 2
Spaja Saist Gallente Isotope Industries	Posted - 2006.10.04 16:14:00 - [99] Originally by: Agent Kenshin Originally by: Spaja Saist Originally by: Witch Doctor Just for the record, after the node crashes, we did see devs in the 9UY system repeatedly. Can we get back on the real topic? I can't even see the tracks with how far this topic got derailed. Come on now be honest. Everyone knows you guys are the biggest exploiters in the game. And if ASCN is now using lag tactics you only have yourself to blame. Since the devs refused to do anything about your lag exploits Cyvok told all of ascn if the devs aren't going to do anything about it then ascn should use the same tactics against you. Last time i checked MC arent shooting ASCN. /emote goes back to double check to make sure Witch is still in MC... Yep he still is. I updated the post. Somehow I quoted the wrong guy. Sorry to any MC out there.
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.04 16:23:00 - [100] Originally by: Spaja Saist Originally by: Rebellion Edited by: Rebellion on 03/10/2006 04:04:39 Irrilian, you are thinking way too hard about these things. The sole reason for the existence of BoB is combat, not for anyone's ego (especially Molle, who doesn't have one), or for anything else except combat. If it makes it easier, just think of BoB in the same terms as the Golden Horde of Genghis Khan. It will not be far from the truth. Ultimately, the only reason why ASCN's Titan would matter to us is because it matters to them. Please spare us. Irrilian's post was spot on. This is all about BOB's ego being bruised and everyone knows it. It wasn't till the titan showed up that BOB suddenly decided it was time for war. Admit it you guys have ***** envy and your members are bored. Irrilian's post was well written, however it is based on public perception, and speculation, not reality. That was Irrilians opinion and he/she is certainly entitled to it, however it doesn't make it true. Envy? Really... come on. I don't know one person in BoB who is worried about ACSN being the first to announce they have a Titan. In fact, most BoB understand the logistics involved in creating one and congratulated them on their accomplishment. I don't recall BoB ever being pre-occupied with being "OMG 1ST!!" about getting anything? The only part of your post that IS accurate, is that our members were bored and we attacked ACSN. Now... tell me why that is a bad thing? Most people play to have fun no? The one thing BoB's ceo's excel at most, is providing opportunity for fun. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:12:00 - [101] Originally by: Witch Doctor Just for the record, after the node crashes, we did see devs in the 9UY system repeatedly. But of course you did, it was you! Wait..was I supposed to say that? On topic? I find it great that they are looking into it, atm I hesitate (depening on intoxication level), to get into a fight anywhere since my fragile little mind cant stand loosing stuff to lag. Cheers, Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:14:00 - [102] Edited by: Lowa on 04/10/2006 17:15:00 Originally by: Farjung Originally by: Spaja Saist Originally by: Witch Doctor Just for the record, after the node crashes, we did see devs in the 9UY system repeatedly. Can we get back on the real topic? I can't even see the tracks with how far this topic got derailed. Come on now be honest. Everyone knows you guys are the biggest exploiters in the game. Yeah, everyone knows MC are the biggest exploiters in the game! EDIT: Stop miss quoting-fast-re-editing post! I wanna be funny tooo damnit! What if the truth was something else?
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:31:00 - [103] I'm glad to hear attention is being given to the problems with server performance that are being caused by the scale of the conflict in the south. If the engineers at CCP can fix the lag and crashes for those groups it will have effects for all of us. Just this weekend as my boys were killing a hostile dread the node crashed and the lucky little dread lived. Now, if the smart, dedicated fellows at CCP who are facing the some of the most bleeding edge technical networking problems in the world can iron out a solution by watching the massive conflicts in the South, then I am in full support. With logs being generated and engineers looking at the problems improvements will follow. This will translate to more groups having the sort of epic conflict that only EVE can offer - including the battles for Outposts that the thread originally started discussing. Right now, for most entities, the tens of billions of isk in resources that are required for a capital ship conflict is too large to gamble on the turkey shoot of lag and server stability.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.04 19:41:00 - [104] Originally by: Spaja Saist Edited by: Spaja Saist on 04/10/2006 16:12:59 Originally by: Creamster Originally by: Lord Draco To the AAA guy, yeah whatever as well. Maybe if they didn't have to waste a weak watching you exploit complex and deal with that **** they would have more time to do important things. It takes an average person about 3 seconds to figure out that aaa's complex grinding technique is no different from any others. Possibly up to half an hour if you're from bobland or hoboland. A week for a dev that's pushing it unless you've got some inside info. By the way if the rumor is true and you do have connections with devs would be nice to see masterminds of ascn lag defense program banned. You know who they are Come on now be honest. Everyone knows you guys are the biggest exploiters in the game. And if ASCN is now using lag tactics you only have yourself to blame. Since the devs refused to do anything about your lag exploits Cyvok told all of ascn if the devs aren't going to do anything about it then ascn should use the same tactics against you. just because we are better than you doesn't mean we exploit. please, kill yourself save the universe OR... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... no i don't see. killing yourself seems to be the only way. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Starbauch Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.04 20:54:00 - [105] I can't help but see the original post as this: Kali is commming. Your enemies will be able to dedicate more resources in defense of thier space. Hire us now, we can help before it gets worse. :)
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.04 21:12:00 - [106] Originally by: Spaja Saist Originally by: Rebellion Edited by: Rebellion on 03/10/2006 04:04:39 Irrilian, you are thinking way too hard about these things. The sole reason for the existence of BoB is combat, not for anyone's ego (especially Molle, who doesn't have one), or for anything else except combat. If it makes it easier, just think of BoB in the same terms as the Golden Horde of Genghis Khan. It will not be far from the truth. Ultimately, the only reason why ASCN's Titan would matter to us is because it matters to them. Please spare us. Irrilian's post was spot on. This is all about BOB's ego being bruised and everyone knows it. It wasn't till the titan showed up that BOB suddenly decided it was time for war. Admit it you guys have ***** envy and your members are bored. Pathetic.
Lo3d3R Implant Liberation Front Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.04 21:52:00 - [107] Edited by: Lo3d3R on 04/10/2006 21:53:09 well FOE fights/wars were fun... (Xetic scum kill kill kill) after that im a bit lost... ___________________ Eating Chopped Bear:
Spaja Saist Gallente Isotope Industries	Posted - 2006.10.04 22:09:00 - [108] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Spaja Saist Originally by: Rebellion Edited by: Rebellion on 03/10/2006 04:04:39 Irrilian, you are thinking way too hard about these things. The sole reason for the existence of BoB is combat, not for anyone's ego (especially Molle, who doesn't have one), or for anything else except combat. If it makes it easier, just think of BoB in the same terms as the Golden Horde of Genghis Khan. It will not be far from the truth. Ultimately, the only reason why ASCN's Titan would matter to us is because it matters to them. Please spare us. Irrilian's post was spot on. This is all about BOB's ego being bruised and everyone knows it. It wasn't till the titan showed up that BOB suddenly decided it was time for war. Admit it you guys have ***** envy and your members are bored. Irrilian's post was well written, however it is based on public perception, and speculation, not reality. That was Irrilians opinion and he/she is certainly entitled to it, however it doesn't make it true. Envy? Really... come on. I don't know one person in BoB who is worried about ACSN being the first to announce they have a Titan. In fact, most BoB understand the logistics involved in creating one and congratulated them on their accomplishment. I don't recall BoB ever being pre-occupied with being "OMG 1ST!!" about getting anything? The only part of your post that IS accurate, is that our members were bored and we attacked ACSN. Now... tell me why that is a bad thing? Most people play to have fun no? The one thing BoB's ceo's excel at most, is providing opportunity for fun. It just shows what type of players you have in your alliance. They only care about destroying what others build. ASCN is about making their own empire in lawless space and making something for themselves in the sandbox we all call Eve. What it comes down to is two completely different play styles. One only finds fun in destruction and flashy explosions while another finds fun in building and accomplishing something bigger than themselves. I just prefer the latter.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.04 22:30:00 - [109] Originally by: Spaja Saist One only finds fun in destruction and flashy explosions while another finds fun in building and accomplishing something bigger than themselves. I just prefer the latter. So, you're saying that BoB doesn't participate in the latter? Thank you for showing us how ignorant you are. People on these forums complain we own all the t2 bpos (that requires building, yes?) yet you complain we only are here to destroy. Only ASCN have built more outposts than we have. Yet all we like to do is destroy. BoB take regions by force, so does ASCN. Yet it's US that are the destroyers? We relish our role in this game, I'd suggest you get your perspective right before commenting on what that role is though.
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.04 22:34:00 - [110] Originally by: Spaja Saist It just shows what type of players you have in your alliance. They only care about destroying what others build. ASCN is about making their own empire in lawless space and making something for themselves in the sandbox we all call Eve. What it comes down to is two completely different play styles. One only finds fun in destruction and flashy explosions while another finds fun in building and accomplishing something bigger than themselves. I just prefer the latter. Yes, it does indeed say something about the type of player we have in our alliance, and I for one am very proud about what it says. BoB is about making their own empire in lawless space and taking control of all it possibly can. It is about having fun pitting ourselves against a behemoth such as ACSN, knowing the challenge that brings not just via pvp, but logistically as well. It's about a band of brothers that find fun in knowing they can count on their brothers to help them accomplish something bigger then they could alone. It's about an Alliance playing within the framework designated by the creators of this game. Different playstyles... hmm probably not as different as you think, when it comes down to it really eh? Don't generate hostility based on a group of players playing the game in a different way then you. We don't tell folks in empire they shouldn't be able to play your way... Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.04 22:46:00 - [111] Originally by: Spaja Saist It just shows what type of players you have in your alliance. They only care about destroying what others build. ASCN is about making their own empire in lawless space and making something for themselves in the sandbox we all call Eve. What it comes down to is two completely different play styles. One only finds fun in destruction and flashy explosions while another finds fun in building and accomplishing something bigger than themselves. I just prefer the latter. Yeah because we don't like build ourselves or anything and it's not like we don't have our own infrastructure or help lots of other corps get access to 0.0... the Golden Horde with a building streak thankee very much Eve Blacklight Style
Hassiana Gallente Paralex Research	Posted - 2006.10.04 23:27:00 - [112] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Spaja Saist It just shows what type of players you have in your alliance. They only care about destroying what others build. ASCN is about making their own empire in lawless space and making something for themselves in the sandbox we all call Eve. What it comes down to is two completely different play styles. One only finds fun in destruction and flashy explosions while another finds fun in building and accomplishing something bigger than themselves. I just prefer the latter. Yeah because we don't like build ourselves or anything and it's not like we don't have our own infrastructure or help lots of other corps get access to 0.0... the Golden Horde with a building streak thankee very much love em or hate em, the man has a point
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.04 23:43:00 - [113] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Nebuli Nelson > Napoleon nelson who? Paramenion > all generals. pfft... thermopilae > any general Oh my ... where to start? Paramenion...if he existed he was known to mum and close family and friends. Parmenion: Great general indeed, leading armies of Sparta and Thebes even PvPing with the Macedonians... just wow! Thermopilae: A mountain / valley pass, site of a remarkable ancient battle, else wholly unremarkable (well has some nice cafes nearby but not precisely there...) and certainly not a general...
Witch Doctor Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.05 00:06:00 - [114] Back to the topic ... I read this great book called Fire & Stone that talked about the strategy and tactics behind fortress warfare in the 17th-19th century. There is a lot of similarity to where POS/Outpost warfare is headed. The gist is that it was a long, methodical, and bloody process that required a lot of careful planning, both to properly construct the defenses and to conquer them. One slipup in execution, however, could greatly accelerate a conclusion one way or the other. Ultimately, conquering these fortresses or cities was a means to an end of some kind. For the defenders, that meant presenting a defense that created a sufficiently high cost for that means to deter it, or actively defending long enough to raise the risk of missing the opportunity to reach that goal (reinforcements arriving, taking too long to conquer the city, etc). For the attackers, it was to execute methodically what became a pretty reliable process for breaking a city's defenses (with the right force composition) and demonstrating as quickly as possible the inevitability of a city's fall to drive the city leadership to the bargaining table. In the end, a siege was a very costly endeavor with a long time frame, which meant that it was only pursued when there was a larger context or goal that supported the conquest (control of a key bottleneck, access to a resource, defending a supply line as a front advanced, etc.). This is where I see outpost and system conquering headed if not already there - the defenses amassed are a sufficient deterrent, barring defensive leadership perceived to be incompetent, to deter outpost conquering in isolation. But over time, certain outposts at certain times will find their value perceived to be high enough to justify a siege. All-out outpost conquering, therefore, will be notable but somewhat limited in galactic wars, and, just as has always been the case, wars will be a lot more about infantry, cavalry and artillery bashing each others' brains out. Which, in the end, is a heck of a lot more fun really.
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.05 00:07:00 - [115] Originally by: Torquemanda Corteaz i can tell you that there were several ISD members and CCP staff lurking in D7-ZAC, in the final days of the siege. They managed to witness a few node deaths. So the "devs favour bob and/or ascn!1" is rubbish. Thanks for the say so. I thought as much, but didn't know until yourself as a Northern resident just let me know. Originally by: DeadDuck Why is everybody whinning when a GM announces that they are following the war fom very close ? Only because BOB is involved ? GM's showed up during the latest Tribute campaign and they eventually fixed the lag giving the system their own resources.... Before that was simply impossible to do anything then skirmishes near the gates Same as for Deadduck here. Both of these guys are definatley big political enemies of mine, and i know this is kind of off the op's original idea for the thread, but everyone from a southern resident such as myself to a Northern resident such as D2 & Razor mention there is lag in the majority of the all 'great wars before kali' says something should be looked at. Well, it is ..... More pointedly, Sharkbait has been candid in his posts that it is being taken seriously and more over it is NOT just this present shoot-o-rama in the South that is getting 'special' attention (as my above 2 quotes point out quite clearly). Where ever there is mass reported lag/server stress, these guys are there to take recordings to help out and do their jobs as well they can i'm sure. As for people's reactions to a dev posting and flaming him somewhat, go and try another MMO at some point and see how often Dev's reply. Little to absolutley never in my experience. I think i've played about 5 MMO's in total, and never seen such high amount of dev replies to player questions in any of them. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03!

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Morris Falter 133rd Ghost Wing	Posted - 2006.10.05 15:24:00 - [117] I've seen devs in local with fights not involving BoB (9CG, anyone? :) ). Lets keep realistic and appreciate whats going on here - I sincerely hope that the game keeps improving, and a thanks for all the mega work that is being done behind the scenes by CCP, the beta testers, and not least the pilots with the balls to bring it on this scale. However, as player riches, ability and count increases, this kind of engagement will become more commnonplace. The difference is in scale and potential - a single-system/small region skirmish (like what is happening in XZH and cloud ring) clearly has a lower potential to a multi-regional battle, as could erupt in the southern regions. Hope it does tho

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