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baltec1
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Posted - 2015.05.22 04:29:51 -
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Yuri Ostrovskoy wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Yuri Ostrovskoy wrote:What I don't understand, is where you get off telling/forcing me to play your way.
No one is saying that except your own side, it's a painfully obvious strawman by now. What we would like, however, is for NPC corps to not be the obviously better choice for almost everything. You know, that little thing called game balance. The rest of your post is just you ranting against the position that no one is actually taking. Then I highly suggest the players step up, and make their corps a better place to be. Yes, the ranting is warranted, due to the air of that position sitting like a cloud over these 40pages. It has a stench about it that's very noticeable, like suburu drivers who eat organic food and wear crossfit clothing.
How do you beat war dec immunity and low tax rates?
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baltec1
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Posted - 2015.05.22 04:47:11 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:baltec1 wrote:
How do you beat war dec immunity and low tax rates?
With group coordinated activities is the idea.
You can do them and stay in an NPC corp.
The problem is there is no incentive to ever leave npc corps for a lot of people. People need a reward for taking on more risk and like it or not that reward comes in the form of isk. Leaving the safety of an npc corp for a paltry 1% less tax on your bounties isn't exactly a great offer.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2015.05.22 04:58:41 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:I don't see the tax argument because A player can form their own corp and charge themselves no tax thereby no longer being in an NPC corp.
Who wants to play a MMO alone?
Tax is the problem. That is the intensive to get people to join player corps and leave the protection of the NPC corps.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2015.05.22 05:32:12 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote: Playing in a 1 man corp and playing alone are not equivalent as you yourself stated.
I didn't state that. NPC corps are still social, a newish player in a one man corp is a very lonely way to play EVE.
Tyberius Franklin wrote: If tax is the issue then going to a corp with similar taxes isn't a solution. If all a corp has to offer is taxes there is no reason to join even without npc corps as part of the decision.
We might know that player corps offer more than that but to a huge number of highsec players all they see the risk of wardecs and no reward for facing that risk. In reality the chances of being wardeced is slim to non but these people belive that it will happen on a bi-weekly basis. To them they see the 1% less tax as simply not worth it. If NPC corps had 20% tax then the reward is more clear to them.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2015.05.22 10:39:14 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote: Yeah but player corps shouldn't only have a bonus to PVE. If that's all player corps have then they really aren't worth it.
Its the most clear and easy to see way of making player corps stand out against the NPC ones. On paper its not much but to a great bulk of people it make a very compelling argument to say "we make you pay half the tax you currently pay". Anyone worth their salt knows player corps are far better than NPC corps, the problem is the people who stay in NPC corps don't see it because they have never been in a player corp. The 20% tax would do a suprising amount to nudge them towards player corps and is a very easy thing to do without making heavy nerfs to NPC corps themselves.
Tyberius Franklin wrote:These arguments apply differently to 2 different groups so I'd like clarification on which we are talking about. If new players the preconceived notions of continual decs don't apply, and if actual dec dodgers the idea of social isolation similarly is something the player has accounted for.
And for many experienced players many corp services are useless. I don't need explanations of basic mechanics or SRP on disposable PvP ships I'm not flying. Group ops are nice but nothing obligates corp membership there. What most groups offer many of us don't need. War dec dodging isn't an issue to do with NPC corps themselves and more to do with the broken wardec mechanics.
Player corps offer more than just SRP. A small group of miners for example can support eachother, pool resources for industrial activities, protect each other, simplify things such as mass transport and most importantly they can trust each other in these activities.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2015.06.04 13:35:57 -
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Don Pera Saissore wrote:What about those who join nullsec corps and quit because they get bored of exploration and gatecamps because thats the only thing they can do.
They quit because like many who play MMOs these days they feel the must be spoon fed content.
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