You don't give up mining. What you do have to give up, is the illusion that Hi-Sec is safe. What a lot of Hi-Sec corps need to learn, is to start treating the mining belts like they Low Sec or Null Sec. And start providing cover for the mining operations. That means putting people near the gates watching for known gankers entering the system, having combat ships in the belts with the miners to protect the mining ships.

The thing is once you stop providing easy targets, the gankers will move on to something else.

You cant suicide gank in lowsec, the targets all live in highsec and if the consequences are so low then I guess you wont mind having all of them also apply to when you mine a rock or shoot an NPC.

Because you are spouting rubbish. Suicide ganking is the single most punished activity in EVE and given your reaction to what I said you know that what you said was a lie. The simple fact here is that you cannot be bothered to protect yourself so you as CCP to do it for you.

When was the last time you had to activly protect your high sec station of choice from a supercap fleet? Corp standings are not the same as security standings.

EVE IS anarchy.

The point that's hard for many of us to understand is that if you want 'peaceful', why in the seven hells would you pick a game that has universal non-consensual pvp (non-consensual sandbox pvp games always attract people other games would call 'griefers') and has been advertised as a hive of villainy since at least 2003?

It's like someone going to a Hoe house and being shock (SHOCKED I tell you) at all the Hoeing goin down. WTF do you expect?

Also disregard the fact that they have been literally removing non-consensual PVP mechanics from the game.

We used to be able to tank concord.

Weapons have not been buffed to anywhere near the level they used to have. Catalysts dont put out even close to the firepower we used to use when we had the gankageddon. They are also not get close to the firepower of the insured battleships we used to use.

The only person trying to cherry pick here is you.

they didnt have to suicide gank back then because the damn things could tank concord.

Which means you are a lot safer now than back then.

Its not what we want. All we want is for the nerfs to stop.

Why do you think it should be possible to move 7-8bil without effort?

Why do you think it should be possible to move 7-8bil without effort?

perhaps if you'd read one, you might stop posting things so outrageously wrong. then again, probably not.

"1)ADD CONCORD TO YOUR OVERVIEW. Seriously. Otherwise you're not going to notice Concord is already in the belt and get waxed immediately.

2)Make a hotkey for "engage drones". I like to use F9, then line up all of my mods I'm going to fire next to it, so I can mash, say, f4,f5,-f9. Drones are a key part of your dps and you need them engaged asap.

3)Do you have a high enough sec status to fly around in the system without getting gibbed by the faction police? Great! You should probably stock up the SMA with a few ships while you still can, and train a Mr. Happystandings (see below). If not, see the section below on life as a pirate.

4)A gank is 'lined up' with an alt. This alt futzes around the belt, and then sits next to a juicy-looking target. Your ganking ship then warps to your alt. If the miner is watching, they may notice you sitting next to them and get the **** out - if that happens, just line up a new gank. Even non-bots only pay attention every 10m or so.

5)Warp to your alt. Launch drones, then come to a complete stop (if you're in a blaster ship). Lock the target, then fire/tp/scram/web, then hit your engage drones hotkey (you made one, right?). Now, watch and wait. Once the ship blows up, use your alt (the one you lined up the gank with) to scoop the loot, then loot your own ship when CONCORD blows it up. Warp both your pod and your alt back to the closest station.

6)Immediately board a rookie ship or shuttle with your ganking alt, and undock. Don't touch anything after you do: wait for CONCORD to blow you up. You've just cleared CONCORD from the belt so the next guy can start his attack run.

7)**** up local something fierce."

EVE had year on year growth that no other MMO has ever managed to match while it had all of that danger. Over the last few years after a lot of buffs to safety it has not grown.

There is zero evidence to back up your argument.

EVE had year on year growth that no other MMO has ever managed to match while it had all of that danger. Over the last few years after a lot of buffs to safety it has not grown.

There is zero evidence to back up your argument.

Why are you ignoring the post that I was answering to?