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Sosus Red Caldari Thunderbolts The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:00:00 - [1] Edited by: Sosus Red on 05/10/2006 18:00:43 "Station Exchange is the official Sony Online Entertainment auction service that provides players a secure method of buying and selling the right to use in game coin, items and characters in accordance with SOEÆs license agreement, rules and guidelines."
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:02:00 - [2] no ---------------------- Buy shares through the EGSE
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:03:00 - [3] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 05/10/2006 18:04:24 Hell ******* no. CCP should NEVER allow players to make actual money by selling ingame goods, period. There's better ways then the one Sony took to bring RMT into line, and CCP know it well enough. It's just not become a big enough issue yet for them to push one of the better possibilities through, altho the whole GTC deal has been a good step to start it with. note: I personally don't like people buying isk one bit, but if it's gonna happen then it better be where you can see it. I generally find the selling of it the worst part of the equasion, not the buying. Old blog
Complacency's Bane Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:03:00 - [4] Edited by: Complacency''s Bane on 05/10/2006 18:03:53 I would cancel all of my accounts the second it was announced. I want to play a game, I dont want to play 'who's got the bigger credit limit'. GTCs are already bad enough.
Sosus Red Caldari Thunderbolts The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:03:00 - [5] personally I like it. Ofcourse ive never used it, havent played an SOE game for a long time. BUt I think the idea is solid. Its going to happen anyway, might as well regulate it somewhat.
Sosus Red Caldari Thunderbolts The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Complacency's Bane Edited by: Complacency''s Bane on 05/10/2006 18:03:53 I would cancel all of my accounts the second it was announced. I want to play a game, I dont want to play 'who's got the bigger credit limit'. GTCs are already bad enough. You would cancel your game? Sorry to break it to you, this already occurs. There is a vibrant black market. Just go to ebay and search for EVE Online. I dont agre with it, but it cant be stopped.
DukDodgerz Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:06:00 - [7] (sarcasm) yay, a way for those in RL with the most $$$$$ to win at all things in the game...YAY..... (/sarcasm)
Micia Minmatar N.A.S.A.	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:06:00 - [8] Sony's Station can burn. _______
Complacency's Bane Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:09:00 - [9] I changed my mind.... I'm going to buy one of THESE. IT WOULD BE THE MOST FUN EVER. And yes, I'm aware that there is an eBay market for EVE. CCP does ban people for using it, when they can be caught. I applaud that.
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:10:00 - [10] The day that gets introduced is the day I leave Eve. I doubt I'm the only one. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Sosus Red Caldari Thunderbolts The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:13:00 - [11] seeing how your still forum question marks, does your opinion really count??? j/k, hehe
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:13:00 - [12] eve has a big enough problem with macros already, no need to encourage it by making it kosher.
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Sosus Red Originally by: Complacency's Bane Edited by: Complacency''s Bane on 05/10/2006 18:03:53 I would cancel all of my accounts the second it was announced. I want to play a game, I dont want to play 'who's got the bigger credit limit'. GTCs are already bad enough. You would cancel your game? Sorry to break it to you, this already occurs. There is a vibrant black market. Just go to ebay and search for EVE Online. I dont agre with it, but it cant be stopped. Go to ebay and search for anything. There is a vibrant "market". However, reality and ebay only collide once in a while. There are thousands of isk seller ads on ebay, but how many actually get purchased? You don't know. Judging a "market" by ebay standards is a poor choice. Sorry, it just is. The number of auctions running for any given item or game do not have very much if anything to do with the amount of actual RMT going on. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Martinez Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:17:00 - [14] if ccp taxed it somehow and took a % of the amount to remove cash from the game? maybe, and they take the tax money and use it to reduce lag, answer questions about amarr, get patches out on time, and give me a free blaagorn yes i might agree to it. if not no.
Sosus Red Caldari Thunderbolts The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:18:00 - [15] Edited by: Sosus Red on 05/10/2006 18:18:44 Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Sosus Red Originally by: Complacency's Bane Edited by: Complacency''s Bane on 05/10/2006 18:03:53 I would cancel all of my accounts the second it was announced. I want to play a game, I dont want to play 'who's got the bigger credit limit'. GTCs are already bad enough. You would cancel your game? Sorry to break it to you, this already occurs. There is a vibrant black market. Just go to ebay and search for EVE Online. I dont agre with it, but it cant be stopped. Go to ebay and search for anything. There is a vibrant "market". However, reality and ebay only collide once in a while. There are thousands of isk seller ads on ebay, but how many actually get purchased? You don't know. Judging a "market" by ebay standards is a poor choice. Sorry, it just is. The number of auctions running for any given item or game do not have very much if anything to do with the amount of actual RMT going on. If people did not buy anything from ebay, therre would be no auctions. Putting an auction up is not cheap, relatively speaking. I run an ebay business, no I dont sell isk, hehe. The ebay and paypal fees can add up really quick.
Phoenix Lonestar Litanies of Hate	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:21:00 - [16] Look at everything SOE has touched and managed to kill. SWG... MO... etc. Following their lead may not be the best business move...
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:22:00 - [17] You asked... I think station exchange is going to ruin online MMO gaming as we know it. It'll take a few years but it will happen. It's an attempt by a money grubbing enterprise to ring every last cent of "profit" they can. From a service that is already wildly profitable. Micro transactions and market place connected games are the end of "gaming" and the start of something else. It won't be long before most games are connected to a micro transaction system that requires actual money to progress thru the game. When did it become acceptable to charge for this stuff? Once apun a time you could buy a game and OWN it. Once apon a time you could install from the CD and actually play the game from start to finish. (I dare you to take any EA Pc game and try that) Once apon a time you didn't have to pay real money for in game items. There was even a breif window (right now) where that stuff is mostly optional. Microsoft and sony are trying very hard to push the gaming world into a "pay as you go" system. Which will invariably make the already spendy pass time More expensive. And eventually, the games won't even be worth the time much less the money. (you could say thats true for most games already) I once thought I would never pay for a game monthly. That obviously changed. But I think I can safely say that if the "next gen" revolution revolves around my credit card, I'll pass. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Eve Hel	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:24:00 - [18] don't like it, it would be like making cheating legal and ppl have different rl cash oppotunities so some would have an advanged over other depending on rl stuff and thats not good
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Sosus Red Edited by: Sosus Red on 05/10/2006 18:18:44 Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Sosus Red Originally by: Complacency's Bane Edited by: Complacency''s Bane on 05/10/2006 18:03:53 I would cancel all of my accounts the second it was announced. I want to play a game, I dont want to play 'who's got the bigger credit limit'. GTCs are already bad enough. You would cancel your game? Sorry to break it to you, this already occurs. There is a vibrant black market. Just go to ebay and search for EVE Online. I dont agre with it, but it cant be stopped. Go to ebay and search for anything. There is a vibrant "market". However, reality and ebay only collide once in a while. There are thousands of isk seller ads on ebay, but how many actually get purchased? You don't know. Judging a "market" by ebay standards is a poor choice. Sorry, it just is. The number of auctions running for any given item or game do not have very much if anything to do with the amount of actual RMT going on. If people did not buy anything from ebay, therre would be no auctions. Putting an auction up is not cheap, relatively speaking. I run an ebay business, no I dont sell isk, hehe. The ebay and paypal fees can add up really quick. I didn't say people don't buy anything. My point was simply that based on your logic, toilet seat covers made from paper mache have a "thriving market" (note, I didn't actually search for that, it's exageration for comic affect) There is obviously some market for isk/items. But to say "there are thousands, so thousands of people must be buying this stuff" is a bit foolish. And if you run an ebay business you should know that. I don't, I've never sold anything on ebay. But I have purchased a handfull of things. You'll notice a lot of the ebay isk isn't "auctions" so much as it is, "buy it now". They are ADS more than anything else. And basing your opinion of the market based on advertising is foolish in the extreme. The two are seldom as related as advertising and media companies would like you to beleive. Anyway, it's all mute because it doesn't matter if there is or isn't a thriving market on ebay for isk. There isn't a damn thing we can do about it in any case. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Sosus Red Caldari Thunderbolts The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:29:00 - [20] Edited by: Sosus Red on 05/10/2006 18:31:30 Originally by: Locke DieDrake You asked... I think station exchange is going to ruin online MMO gaming as we know it. It'll take a few years but it will happen. It's an attempt by a money grubbing enterprise to ring every last cent of "profit" they can. From a service that is already wildly profitable. Micro transactions and market place connected games are the end of "gaming" and the start of something else. It won't be long before most games are connected to a micro transaction system that requires actual money to progress thru the game. When did it become acceptable to charge for this stuff? Once apun a time you could buy a game and OWN it. Once apon a time you could install from the CD and actually play the game from start to finish. (I dare you to take any EA Pc game and try that) Once apon a time you didn't have to pay real money for in game items. There was even a breif window (right now) where that stuff is mostly optional. Microsoft and sony are trying very hard to push the gaming world into a "pay as you go" system. Which will invariably make the already spendy pass time More expensive. And eventually, the games won't even be worth the time much less the money. (you could say thats true for most games already) I once thought I would never pay for a game monthly. That obviously changed. But I think I can safely say that if the "next gen" revolution revolves around my credit card, I'll pass. I can see your point, but then what about the guy who cant play EVE very often but still wants to know what its like to fly a Caldari Navy Raven. He cant do countless mission for the hundreds of thousands of LP, but he does have an extra $50. invariably, you arent going to progress very far in this game without commiting a lot of time in it. TO some people, time is as valuable as money. Some people have more time to spend, some people have more money. Again, im not for or against, just presenting arguments because I think this needs to be discussed.
Sosus Red Caldari Thunderbolts The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Sosus Red Edited by: Sosus Red on 05/10/2006 18:18:44 Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Sosus Red Originally by: Complacency's Bane Edited by: Complacency''s Bane on 05/10/2006 18:03:53 I would cancel all of my accounts the second it was announced. I want to play a game, I dont want to play 'who's got the bigger credit limit'. GTCs are already bad enough. You would cancel your game? Sorry to break it to you, this already occurs. There is a vibrant black market. Just go to ebay and search for EVE Online. I dont agre with it, but it cant be stopped. Go to ebay and search for anything. There is a vibrant "market". However, reality and ebay only collide once in a while. There are thousands of isk seller ads on ebay, but how many actually get purchased? You don't know. Judging a "market" by ebay standards is a poor choice. Sorry, it just is. The number of auctions running for any given item or game do not have very much if anything to do with the amount of actual RMT going on. If people did not buy anything from ebay, therre would be no auctions. Putting an auction up is not cheap, relatively speaking. I run an ebay business, no I dont sell isk, hehe. The ebay and paypal fees can add up really quick. I didn't say people don't buy anything. My point was simply that based on your logic, toilet seat covers made from paper mache have a "thriving market" (note, I didn't actually search for that, it's exageration for comic affect) There is obviously some market for isk/items. But to say "there are thousands, so thousands of people must be buying this stuff" is a bit foolish. And if you run an ebay business you should know that. I don't, I've never sold anything on ebay. But I have purchased a handfull of things. You'll notice a lot of the ebay isk isn't "auctions" so much as it is, "buy it now". They are ADS more than anything else. And basing your opinion of the market based on advertising is foolish in the extreme. The two are seldom as related as advertising and media companies would like you to beleive. Anyway, it's all mute because it doesn't matter if there is or isn't a thriving market on ebay for isk. There isn't a damn thing we can do about it in any case. Whern a customer selects "buy it now" Ebay still gets a portion of the sale.
Kristoffer Amarr Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:33:00 - [22] And SOE has constantly ruined every single game they've gotten their hands on. How about heck no.
Complacency's Bane Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:35:00 - [23] Originally by: Sosus Red I can see your point, but then what about the guy who cant play EVE very often but still wants to know what its like to fly a Caldari Navy Raven. He cant do countless mission for the hundreds of thousands of LP, but he does have an extra $50. invariably, you arent going to progress very far in this game without commiting a lot of time in it. TO some people, time is as valuable as money. Some people have more time to spend, some people have more money. Again, im not for or against, just presenting arguments because I think this needs to be discussed. I dont have time to learn chess, I'm just going to pay my opponant $50 to turn all my pawns into queens and wtfown him. If you dont have enough time to earn stuff in eve, you shouldnt be flying stuff in EVE. And I'm saying that as someone with next to no time to play EVE.
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:38:00 - [24] Real world time = Real world money Spending time, or spending money to gain isk is the same thing in my opinion. After all to make that money you haveto spend the time somewhere else, ie working. "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation."
Sosus Red Caldari Thunderbolts The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Locke DieDrake You asked... I think station exchange is going to ruin online MMO gaming as we know it. It'll take a few years but it will happen. It's an attempt by a money grubbing enterprise to ring every last cent of "profit" they can. From a service that is already wildly profitable. Micro transactions and market place connected games are the end of "gaming" and the start of something else. It won't be long before most games are connected to a micro transaction system that requires actual money to progress thru the game. When did it become acceptable to charge for this stuff? Once apun a time you could buy a game and OWN it. Once apon a time you could install from the CD and actually play the game from start to finish. (I dare you to take any EA Pc game and try that) Once apon a time you didn't have to pay real money for in game items. There was even a breif window (right now) where that stuff is mostly optional. Microsoft and sony are trying very hard to push the gaming world into a "pay as you go" system. Which will invariably make the already spendy pass time More expensive. And eventually, the games won't even be worth the time much less the money. (you could say thats true for most games already) I once thought I would never pay for a game monthly. That obviously changed. But I think I can safely say that if the "next gen" revolution revolves around my credit card, I'll pass. I agree wholehearteldy!!! BUt stating we dont like something and wont participate in it wont make it go away. As long as people are greedy, or ummm....business minded, people will be thinking of ways to make more money. Im more of a socialist type person personally, but I dont think we can fight the future.
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Sosus Red seeing how your still forum question marks, does your opinion really count??? j/k, hehe Well, I'm an exclamation mark actually. Aslo, this character is now considerably over 10million SP. Nor is he my first character: my first was created near 2 years ago. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:41:00 - [27] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 05/10/2006 18:45:58 What I'd like CCP to try, and I think it's what they're aiming for in the first place, is seperating the selling half from the buying half of the RMT excange. The buying half is the factor you can never influence or stomp out no matter what. Demand simply exists, period. The selling half however is controllable. You can decide what people get in return for their ingame items and with some guile you can even determine who will be taking part in that market. The GTC deals do exactly that, they seperate the buyer and seller from eachother and put the gametimecard in between. Sellers dont get cash, they get gametime and thus are naturally limited in how much of their virtual wealth they can convert into real wealth. That in turn means that sellers tend to be incidental, not professional, and thus have far less of an impact on the gameplay. The trick is getting the GTC market to replace the ebay/IGe one completely. Old blog
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:42:00 - [28] Quote: I dont have time to learn chess, I'm just going to pay my opponant $50 to turn all my pawns into queens and wtfown him. If you dont have enough time to earn stuff in eve, you shouldnt be flying stuff in EVE. And I'm saying that as someone with next to no time to play EVE. Stupid analogy. If you have enough money you can pay all the greatest chess players to sit down with you and teach you. Same effect. How about a new player that has a friend that's been playing for 4 years. He creates a charater and his friend sends him 1b ISK. Same effect. "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation."
sallazzar	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:44:00 - [29] ah another joy of eve is exposed the best thing about eve is that you DON'T need to fly said powerful expensive ship eve can be enjoyed at any stage what your suggesting is that paying to >>>win<<< is ok if you don't have enough time news flash IF YOUR TRYING TO WIN EVE YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST eve is one of the few mmorpgs ive found where each stage is fun and can be fun almost indefinitly i can't fly any wtfpwn ships but i love my little frigs ppl who would pay to 'win' not only destroy the game but ruin there own experience i could understand the argument of time/money = fun on a more grind related game but never eve ps. i hope that all made sense
Phoenix Lonestar Litanies of Hate	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:44:00 - [30] His friend gives him 1b isk for free. Not $50 for 200m. There's a difference.

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