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LVirus Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:36:00 - [1] Hello. As usual we were looking for targets to fight with our 13 ppl gang. We had reports of a hostile RA gang near 1V-LI2 system. So we started to move there to kick some ass. Our cov ops gave us good intel in XV-MWG on Q-K2T7 gate that about 15 hostiles are about to jump in. So we launched interdictor sphere, activated scramblers and prepared to welcome them with all guns blazing. RA jumped in and we were jumping from joy that FINALLY we can get some action. Suddenly the local started to drop. Those nublets began to log off. We managed to scramble 1 BS (guess that poor snob only had 2-3 stabs). We tried to scan for ships that we had scrambled, but got out tnx to "brilliant" log off I WIN BUTTON. No luck, no ships to probe out, again tnx to I WIN LOG OFF SYSTEM. Few minutes later they got their support in, but because we dont run from our fights or log off, we took them on 11 vs 29. Got some nice kills, tho we all ended up in pods. Heres a video of them logging off inside our bubble. http://putukas.gameland.ee/eve/logoffski.avi Here is the fleet analysis from that battle: http://kills.veritas-immortalis.org/fleet.php?show=detail&id=93 Its not about the ships that we lost. It was our choice to fight to till the end. We could have easily wiped the floor with those 2 different gangs, but tnx to LOGOFFSKI BUG its not possible. And yes, its a bug! Using bugs should be an exploit if you ask me. Tnx for reading :)
Khayman33 Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:42:00 - [2] Hahahahaha owned .
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:45:00 - [3] Sad. Very very sad RA.
Major Dim Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:46:00 - [4] well to give it a start. before u point someone to somethin...take a look on ur people logging in kzf and wo-. last time we had a nice skirmish with a reaven couple of industries and some support. they logged but we found em with our covert and blew them up and even podded. So stop whining. the game mechanics is used on both sides. if u want i will collect the cases when -v- kos lv peeps logoff and present it on the forums. Second thin. somewhere on the general disc forums there is a topic about logoff in bubbles (i am too lazy to find the link). There is clearly stated that it is a common tactics used by all and not an exploit. so again stop whining. Before even try to post here - make ur people stop throwing out conts with BMs outa space when a fleet comes in. (yes it is proved there were screeens and it was petitioned 2 days ago again, and to my aknowlege the guys who dropped them got a warning from gms) STOP WHINIG!. USE TACTICS! FIGHT! STOP THAT WTFPWND whining please!. Cheap tactics are used on all sides. there are tons of discussions about it on the forums. There are clear statements from the devs. Live with it or leave the game.! /me out.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:47:00 - [5] I`d stfu about RED tactics after that engagement : http://killboard.red-alliance.info/?op=fleet&name=31 Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Khayman33 Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:48:00 - [6] Originally by: LVirus Hello. As usual we were looking for targets to fight with our 13 ppl gang. We had reports of a hostile RA gang near 1V-LI2 system. So we started to move there to kick some ass. Our cov ops gave us good intel in XV-MWG on Q-K2T7 gate that about 15 hostiles are about to jump in. So we launched interdictor sphere, activated scramblers and prepared to welcome them with all guns blazing. RA jumped in and we were jumping from joy that FINALLY we can get some action. Suddenly the local started to drop. Those nublets began to log off. We managed to scramble 1 BS (guess that poor snob only had 2-3 stabs). We tried to scan for ships that we had scrambled, but got out tnx to "brilliant" log off I WIN BUTTON. No luck, no ships to probe out, again tnx to I WIN LOG OFF SYSTEM. Few minutes later they got their support in, but because we dont run from our fights or log off, we took them on 11 vs 29. Got some nice kills, tho we all ended up in pods. Heres a video of them logging off inside our bubble. http://putukas.gameland.ee/eve/logoffski.avi Here is the fleet analysis from that battle: http://kills.veritas-immortalis.org/fleet.php?show=detail&id=93 Its not about the ships that we lost. It was our choice to fight to till the end. We could have easily wiped the floor with those 2 different gangs, but tnx to LOGOFFSKI BUG its not possible. And yes, its a bug! Using bugs should be an exploit if you ask me. Tnx for reading :) The cow have only what it deserves
James Snowscoran Caldari Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:49:00 - [7] Originally by: Hellraiza666 Sad. Very very sad RA. Have you been living under a rock for the last year? People have whined about RA's exploits and 'unfair' tactics for a very long time now. -----
LVirus Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:50:00 - [8] Edited by: LVirus on 05/10/2006 21:53:44 you cant probe for ships that log off BEFORE you aggro them. Targets wont get aggro timer if they log off while being cloaked, even if you shoot at them after they have logged off.
Major Dim Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:53:00 - [9] Edited by: Major Dim on 05/10/2006 21:53:26 Originally by: LVirus you cant probe for ships that log off BEFORE you aggro them. Targets wont get aggro timer if they log off while being cloaked. Actually there is a way ^)
Zagum Darkfin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.05 21:58:00 - [10] What I find amazing is that just because there is a bug does not mean you SHOULD USE IT. Logging off to avoid loosing your ship is LAME regardless of WHO DOES IT. Now if the node crashed thats one thing, logging off on purpose is another. Its something called having morals, honor and personal fortitude to not cheat or use questionable tactics to win. Playing to win at all costs ruins the game and makes your victories cheap and less gratifying. Shame.
Light Darkness Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:00:00 - [11] Thats not whining. definatly not. Look at your kills. Most of them you got with lame tactics. Thats the naked trust. We dont whining. We only show how you fight. Most of our enemys know that we stay and fight. Doesnt matter wich situation. But your tactics are lame and i woulndt point proud on your kills !! Its a shame. Some tactics are fine from you and only one in RA is able to lead a good fleet fight. Its MacTep ( but he use also some kritical tactics) . But what RA show up here isnt with honor. And yes @Evil Thug. Some quit eve cause you are fighting illegal and with exploits. But cause your guys CCP have to work hard to fix this exploits and to fill this exploitholes. And CCP is loosing more and more players they want to play fair. So keep this work up RA. Then my guys die in honor and lost a fight. But they know that they win this war with heads up and honor in his hearts !!!! Regards /LD --------------------- -V-eritas Immortalis Killboard
McDan Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Major Dim well to give it a start. before u point someone to somethin...take a look on ur people logging in kzf and wo-. last time we had a nice skirmish with a reaven couple of industries and some support. they logged but we found em with our covert and blew them up and even podded. So stop whining. the game mechanics is used on both sides. if u want i will collect the cases when -v- kos lv peeps logoff and present it on the forums. Second thin. somewhere on the general disc forums there is a topic about logoff in bubbles (i am too lazy to find the link). There is clearly stated that it is a common tactics used by all and not an exploit. so again stop whining. Before even try to post here - make ur people stop throwing out conts with BMs outa space when a fleet comes in. (yes it is proved there were screeens and it was petitioned 2 days ago again, and to my aknowlege the guys who dropped them got a warning from gms) STOP WHINIG!. USE TACTICS! FIGHT! STOP THAT WTFPWND whining please!. Cheap tactics are used on all sides. there are tons of discussions about it on the forums. There are clear statements from the devs. Live with it or leave the game.! /me out. Can you do me a favour and prove this for me please? Just one example of us logging out during or just before a fight. Only I have seen you guys accuse us of having done this but I can honestly say that I have never been involved in a gang that has. Please, because I would like to see an example.
Josiah Bartlet Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:07:00 - [13] weaksause But, its RA so who should be suprised? As far as Eve goes, even if RA wins, they've already lost. --- SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:08:00 - [14] Originally by: LVirus Edited by: LVirus on 05/10/2006 21:53:44 you cant probe for ships that log off BEFORE you aggro them. Targets wont get aggro timer if they log off while being cloaked, even if you shoot at them after they have logged off. I never knew that trick before i've met -V- members doing this log off to avoid meeting my Astarte close and personal. So your whining kinda stupid. It was your invention After several -V- pilots did this in nync's bubble (and that was frapsed too )he petitioned them and received official GM response confirming it is legitimate tactic. --------------------
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:10:00 - [15] Originally by: McDan Can you do me a favour and prove this for me please? Just one example of us logging out during or just before a fight. Contact nync for fraps and if i'll check my combat logs i also can drop here several names for you. --------------------
Major Dim Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:10:00 - [16] Edited by: Major Dim on 05/10/2006 22:10:52 Originally by: McDan Originally by: Major Dim well to give it a start. before u point someone to somethin...take a look on ur people logging in kzf and wo-. last time we had a nice skirmish with a reaven couple of industries and some support. they logged but we found em with our covert and blew them up and even podded. So stop whining. the game mechanics is used on both sides. if u want i will collect the cases when -v- kos lv peeps logoff and present it on the forums. Second thin. somewhere on the general disc forums there is a topic about logoff in bubbles (i am too lazy to find the link). There is clearly stated that it is a common tactics used by all and not an exploit. so again stop whining. Before even try to post here - make ur people stop throwing out conts with BMs outa space when a fleet comes in. (yes it is proved there were screeens and it was petitioned 2 days ago again, and to my aknowlege the guys who dropped them got a warning from gms) STOP WHINIG!. USE TACTICS! FIGHT! STOP THAT WTFPWND whining please!. Cheap tactics are used on all sides. there are tons of discussions about it on the forums. There are clear statements from the devs. Live with it or leave the game.! /me out. Can you do me a favour and prove this for me please? Just one example of us logging out during or just before a fight. Only I have seen you guys accuse us of having done this but I can honestly say that I have never been involved in a gang that has. Please, because I would like to see an example. Dear shinra - i dont want to remember the day in may when a gang of yours came into BWF-. There were as i remember 5 BS and couple of support. U started gankink TBB fleet tried to find u u logged. then came back in and sniped then logged again as soon as we almost got u...went for about 3 hours.....but hey my memory is screwed i really don remember this....
McDan Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Major Dim Originally by: McDan Originally by: Major Dim well to give it a start. before u point someone to somethin...take a look on ur people logging in kzf and wo-. last time we had a nice skirmish with a reaven couple of industries and some support. they logged but we found em with our covert and blew them up and even podded. So stop whining. the game mechanics is used on both sides. if u want i will collect the cases when -v- kos lv peeps logoff and present it on the forums. Second thin. somewhere on the general disc forums there is a topic about logoff in bubbles (i am too lazy to find the link). There is clearly stated that it is a common tactics used by all and not an exploit. so again stop whining. Before even try to post here - make ur people stop throwing out conts with BMs outa space when a fleet comes in. (yes it is proved there were screeens and it was petitioned 2 days ago again, and to my aknowlege the guys who dropped them got a warning from gms) STOP WHINIG!. USE TACTICS! FIGHT! STOP THAT WTFPWND whining please!. Cheap tactics are used on all sides. there are tons of discussions about it on the forums. There are clear statements from the devs. Live with it or leave the game.! /me out. Dear shinra - i dont want to remember the day in may when a gang of yours came into BWF-. There were as i remember 5 BS and couple of support. U started gankink TBB fleet tried to find u u logged. then came back in and sniped then logged again as soon as we almost got u...went for about 3 hours.....but hey my memory is screwed i really don remember this.... Can you do me a favour and prove this for me please? Just one example of us logging out during or just before a fight. Only I have seen you guys accuse us of having done this but I can honestly say that I have never been involved in a gang that has. Please, because I would like to see an example. What is that supposed to be? It is not evidence.
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:13:00 - [18] another whine post from -V- ________________________________________________________ nerf WCS and POST WITH YOUR MAIN
Major Dim Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Dragerest another whine post from -V- .....so true.....
McDan Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:14:00 - [20] Edited by: McDan on 05/10/2006 22:14:41 Originally by: Komolov Originally by: McDan Can you do me a favour and prove this for me please? Just one example of us logging out during or just before a fight. Contact nync for fraps and if i'll check my combat logs i also can drop here several names for you. k
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:15:00 - [21] Ok, thats the story guys. I was running small gate camp, camping 1v- system, with scorp, crow and dictor when -v- ravena and carakal jumped in , and CTRL+Q ar gate to save their ships names are huxorator and jenny spitfire, both of -V- ALLIANCE. It happened 1 month back. I frapsed it as i never saw it before and i never used it before. So i filed a petiton asking to ban veritas members for using this exploit. I even posted topic on this forum about -V- using this tactics. Just try search. I can't post you the GM's reply, as it's forbiden, but I was told that IT IS NOT an exploit, it's not even a bag, it's ABSOLUTELEY LEGITIMATE WAY TO QUIT THE GAME. It's just the game and if it's becaming unpleasant we can all quit at any time. And to say more I was told not to petition such simple and WELL KNOWN THINGS to save gm's time. I started to ask around and was told that BOB are well known for using this tactics to get big fleet inside heavily camped systems on regulat basis.
LVirus Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:17:00 - [22] Originally by: nync Ok, thats the story guys. I was running small gate camp, camping 1v- system, with scorp, crow and dictor when -v- ravena and carakal jumped in , and CTRL+Q ar gate to save their ships names are huxorator and jenny spitfire, both of -V- ALLIANCE. It happened 1 month back. I frapsed it as i never saw it before and i never used it before. So i filed a petiton asking to ban veritas members for using this exploit. I even posted topic on this forum about -V- using this tactics. Just try search. I can't post you the GM's reply, as it's forbiden, but I was told that IT IS NOT an exploit, it's not even a bag, it's ABSOLUTELEY LEGITIMATE WAY TO QUIT THE GAME. It's just the game and if it's becaming unpleasant we can all quit at any time. And to say more I was told not to petition such simple and WELL KNOWN THINGS to save gm's time. I started to ask around and was told that BOB are well known for using this tactics to get big fleet inside heavily camped systems on regulat basis. well, logging off while getting shot at AND not getting an aggro timer is a bug. Using a bug to your advantage is an exploit.
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:18:00 - [23] Originally by: LVirus Its not about the ships that we lost. It was our choice to fight to till the end. We could have easily wiped the floor with those 2 different gangs, but tnx to LOGOFFSKI BUG its not possible. And yes, its a bug! Using bugs should be an exploit if you ask me. Tnx for reading :) So its not a whine about the ships you lost, its a whine that you couldnt pick them off by 2 seperate gangs? Keep entertaining us! ------------------ Save Deimos! All posts are my personal opinions.
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:18:00 - [24] Originally by: Light Darkness Thats not whining. definatly not. Look at your kills. Most of them you got with lame tactics. Thats the naked trust. We dont whining. We only show how you fight. You're whining. I know it sux to be you when you're downed twice within one engagement but it's not the reason to find excuses instead of engaging us once again. Look at my kills and please enlighten me which ones were acquired by using lame tactics. --------------------
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:20:00 - [25] Originally by: LVirus Originally by: nync Ok, thats the story guys. I was running small gate camp, camping 1v- system, with scorp, crow and dictor when -v- ravena and carakal jumped in , and CTRL+Q ar gate to save their ships names are huxorator and jenny spitfire, both of -V- ALLIANCE. It happened 1 month back. I frapsed it as i never saw it before and i never used it before. So i filed a petiton asking to ban veritas members for using this exploit. I even posted topic on this forum about -V- using this tactics. Just try search. I can't post you the GM's reply, as it's forbiden, but I was told that IT IS NOT an exploit, it's not even a bag, it's ABSOLUTELEY LEGITIMATE WAY TO QUIT THE GAME. It's just the game and if it's becaming unpleasant we can all quit at any time. And to say more I was told not to petition such simple and WELL KNOWN THINGS to save gm's time. I started to ask around and was told that BOB are well known for using this tactics to get big fleet inside heavily camped systems on regulat basis. well, logging off while getting shot at AND not getting an aggro timer is a bug. Using a bug to your advantage is an exploit. Are you dumb? I petitioned aggro timer too, as I nad covert with me for such logoffski -v- members, and I was told IT'S OK, READ MY LIPS, IT'S OK BY CCP.
Major Dim Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Josiah Bartlet weaksause But, its RA so who should be suprised? As far as Eve goes, even if RA wins, they've already lost. Dear BOB. As much respect i have for u. U have ur own war we have our own. If u belive it or not - all RA is like a big familly. Look at the numbers. Now imagine someone came into ur backyard trying to kill u. And not just 1 or 2. Thousands!. Would u bersek and run into the crowd or would u try any awaible tactics to keep ur home clean? Like waiting for a sec behind the door and bringing the agresssors down 1 by 1? Like nyns and komolov said - its not our invention but hell we fight the war outnumbered for almost a year now? we do what we can to keeep our home and the hell - abuse me for it
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:20:00 - [27] Edited by: Komolov on 05/10/2006 22:21:11 Originally by: LVirus well, logging off while getting shot at AND not getting an aggro timer is a bug. Using a bug to your advantage is an exploit. Wanna me to show you GM's answer? But i'm afraid after looking at it you'll be like that: Cry me a river baby. --------------------
LVirus Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:23:00 - [28] Originally by: nync Originally by: LVirus Originally by: nync Ok, thats the story guys. I was running small gate camp, camping 1v- system, with scorp, crow and dictor when -v- ravena and carakal jumped in , and CTRL+Q ar gate to save their ships names are huxorator and jenny spitfire, both of -V- ALLIANCE. It happened 1 month back. I frapsed it as i never saw it before and i never used it before. So i filed a petiton asking to ban veritas members for using this exploit. I even posted topic on this forum about -V- using this tactics. Just try search. I can't post you the GM's reply, as it's forbiden, but I was told that IT IS NOT an exploit, it's not even a bag, it's ABSOLUTELEY LEGITIMATE WAY TO QUIT THE GAME. It's just the game and if it's becaming unpleasant we can all quit at any time. And to say more I was told not to petition such simple and WELL KNOWN THINGS to save gm's time. I started to ask around and was told that BOB are well known for using this tactics to get big fleet inside heavily camped systems on regulat basis. well, logging off while getting shot at AND not getting an aggro timer is a bug. Using a bug to your advantage is an exploit. Are you dumb? I petitioned aggro timer too, as I nad covert with me for such logoffski -v- members, and I was told IT'S OK, READ MY LIPS, IT'S OK BY CCP. Why are you calling me dumb? Have i insulted you in any way? All i want is to get this bug fixed and i bet most of the eve would like that very much allso.
Major Dim Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:26:00 - [29] Originally by: LVirus well, logging off while getting shot at AND not getting an aggro timer is a bug. Using a bug to your advantage is an exploit. Again - try to search for this one on the forums - IT WAS CLEARLY SAID THAT IT IS A NON EXPLOIT!. if CCP someday decides to change the game mechanics - hell we will adopt like we always did. We will find a way to keeep on living and fighting. But for now - deal with us or negotiate a NAP or somethin. And again - this tactics are used by both sides. What about the 2 freighters u tried to bring to empire 4 days ago??? NO they didnt log offf in 28-...(/me sarcasm) Stop whining and fight!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:28:00 - [30] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 05/10/2006 22:29:13 nync, don't like the taste of your own homemade brew? Too bitter? --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind.

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