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M1NeR
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.06 09:54:00 -
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2KIAEddZ: I enjoy killin hard targets . The harder the better.
2Omeega: Just mined everything in da belt, that's why I'm flooding here . -------
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RUNYOUFOOLS
Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.06 09:59:00 -
[122]
posting so i can reply to m1ner once his hauled that veld :)
please answer the question it's you i was asking.
Well do you love eggs?
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Buxaroo
Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2006.10.06 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zagum Darkfin What I find amazing is that just because there is a bug does not mean you SHOULD USE IT. Logging off to avoid loosing your ship is LAME regardless of WHO DOES IT.
Now if the node crashed thats one thing, logging off on purpose is another. Its something called having morals, honor and personal fortitude to not cheat or use questionable tactics to win. Playing to win at all costs ruins the game and makes your victories cheap and less gratifying. Shame.
Agreed 100%. I have always heard of this tactic with the interdictor bubbles but never saw it in action. Now I have. To me if you are in a bubble/interdictor bubble while loosing connection....oh well sux to be you. Exploiting a bug is just pathetic. ESPECIALLY when you have an even fight which is just really ****ty.
And say what you will about BoB, I have never seen them use this tactic at all in any of the fights I have had with them.
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putukas
Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.06 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: nync Edited by: nync on 06/10/2006 09:47:03 Hmm, it looks like we are having some serious whinnage from -V-, bob , kia and otherS veritos funboys. Keep it up and eat your own **** -v-, you are worth your invention, maybe lets call it CTRL+V ?
And Lvirus, you forgot to mention one detail, you were not looking for targets to fight with your 13 ppl gang, you were sitting on ts logged off on a gate with dictor cloaked at the gate and waiting to log in. Just a small detail you missed in your story...
OMG how low can you go :D you lie into our faces and still you want to gain some respect from other alliances... jesus christ
that fraps was done while being offline? :D
we knew you were coming and waited you on the gate. We came from e02 if you realy need to know.
we knew how you use your logoffski tactics so we only brought 9 bs against (so you wont log off when you see us) your 15 men gang but you still pushed logoff button and brought more to kill us later. And now lie about it... looks very pathetic!
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DarkFollower
Amarr Delta team Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.06 10:09:00 -
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This whole discussion is Idiotic , U are saying that it is ok to log off while being in a Dictor bubble , the Gm-s say that it is ok , ... ok ... then why in gods name they puted dictors in the fking game , was not their job and most ussefulnes to bubble up ships aka stop them from warping away , even if they have stabs ? was that not their intent as ships , and their main role ? If NO , then what's their purpuse , If YES, then why are they in the game when u can just log off when u get in it ????
Cap recharges on PvP ships Suxxor monkey ballzorz!! |

M1NeR
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.06 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: M1NeR on 06/10/2006 10:26:29
Originally by: RUNYOUFOOLS So. to counter the horde of stab monkeys, the devs make a ship that can trap anything inside the warp bubble it can drop. Thus (hopefully) allowing ppl to engange said persons. However in your veiw its fine and to quote you twice it's a "game feature" and use of standard tatics.
Yep, yep, dictors ftw .
Quote: Can I then ask 1 thing, if logging your ship off to avoid said bubble in your veiw (however twisted it seems to me) is a game feature and use of standard tatics. What would you NOT use to avoid death/gain a advantange?.
I'm not from RA but if you ask me... Well I defenetly won't use any 3rd party software, so called hacks, *****s etc etc even if they exist. Any out-of-game mechanics so to say. Anything that directly or indirectly violates EULA (this includes creating lags, with bms or in any other way). That is what I consider cheating and that is what I won't ever use. And I'm pretty sure same thing goes for all my corpmates. Use of nonrestricted game mechanics is ok for me. Use of restricted in and out-of-game methods is not an option at all. That's my position and it's pretty simple imo.
Quote: if my FC was to say to me "ok guys we have 13 they have 11 but got a dictor on the gate. so we jump in and log off. I want no loses on this op" I know what my repley would be
I'd like to share my point of view on this one too if ya don't mind. I'll do whatever my FC will order no matter what. Even if I completely disagree with him. Even if he says to me "jump into 100 enemy bs, log off, log in and die there". That is because in battles there's no other way. You can argue AFTER as long as you want, but in battle you either follow the orders or just leave the gang. Good fleets don't have a need for pilots who argue about orders (even if they are stupid). Military basics... and I consider them true even here. -------
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Xaarist
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.06 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Komolov Yes it was offence and it was done intentionally. In short form of 4 words sentence i gave you picture of what Russian players feels when some idiots starting to make fun over their nationality, their country and their alliance (in racial context). Also i gave to LD picture how his recent examples of behaviour in local and on forums looks like from my side with regard of all historical analogies (you can change your vision of history but you can't change your national mentality).
Edit: never forget that i don't have to share your attitude toward history. And taking into consideration that it was part of YOUR history isn't it stupid to attempt to avoid all references to that historical period?
Another edit: i'm sorry but I think that your reaction is simply hypocritical (political correctness and stuff.. you know...).
1. if somebody does racial comments on russians or any other race, religion, whatsoever, he's an idiot in my eyes. 2. if you think you can do it because others do it you're in no way better than those who you talk about being offenders. you're on the same low level. 3. offending someone intenitionally is a bannable offense 4. of course you don't have to share my attitude, if you think racism is cool the you are an ******* 5. it was not part of my personal history, but it was part of my country's history. 6. i do not avoid reference to that time at all, i do not avoid discussions about it, what i do not like is connecting an entity in a game with some really bad thing that happened in the real world (that's the thing you see when you look outside the window) 7. it was part of your history as well. many russians fought inside SS forces against their own people. many russians even took part in the genocide on jews, and that sad part of russian history didn't even stop after WW II in some parts of former USSR. and, russians lived in a totalitariean state for quite a while, and some still do. ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. ...if you don't know Happy Tree Friends, just imagine Teletubbies on LSD... |

RUNYOUFOOLS
Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.06 10:32:00 -
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ty m1ner, nice post. Now get back to that veld before omeega spots you posting again :)
Well do you love eggs?
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M1NeR
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.06 10:35:00 -
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Yarr *activates miners II on his arma*  -------
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La Tortura
Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.06 10:38:00 -
[130]
Thank you for the entertaining topic, enjoyed it while slacking at work. The more of such topics the more I wanna join RA ranks.
On a side note, ships shouldn't be able to avoid bubbles that way, that's just plain wrong. But these guys who stated that anything that isn't forbidden by gm's/devs is ok are right. The game mechanics must be changed (getting aggro on bubbling etc), not players attitude. -- ignorance is bliss |

RUNYOUFOOLS
Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.06 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: RUNYOUFOOLS on 06/10/2006 10:42:33 Primary Target dense veldspar. Secondery target Golden omber!
Edit yes im bored at work.
Well do you love eggs?
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putukas
Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.06 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: La Tortura Thank you for the entertaining topic, enjoyed it while slacking at work. The more of such topics the more I wanna join RA ranks.
On a side note, ships shouldn't be able to avoid bubbles that way, that's just plain wrong. But these guys who stated that anything that isn't forbidden by gm's/devs is ok are right. The game mechanics must be changed (getting aggro on bubbling etc), not players attitude.
I agree that game mechanics must be changed and bugs removed but using intentionaly game bugs must be forbidden by GMs! And this should be considered as exploit and this wont go only for RA, it goes for all who are using game bugs intentionally!
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Latex Mistress
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.06 10:54:00 -
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1: They did this, and here's the vid to prove it! 2: They did it first, so it's fair! 1: Nuh-uh! 2: Uh-huh! 1: Prove it! 2: You know what you did...
Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the Straw Man. Look, if you did it and get caught, just say you did it ffs... Integrity 4tw.
Props to the OP for sticking it out and having fun despite being ounumbered after their support showed up.
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Masu'di
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2006.10.06 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: putukas I agree that game mechanics must be changed and bugs removed but using intentionaly game bugs must be forbidden by GMs! And this should be considered as exploit and this wont go only for RA, it goes for all who are using game bugs intentionally!
I am 100% agreement with you on this one, a few months back a freighter from Knights of the Southern Cross did a logofski on us. Was very dissapointing. 
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La Tortura
Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.06 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: putukas
I agree that game mechanics must be changed and bugs removed but using intentionaly game bugs must be forbidden by GMs! And this should be considered as exploit and this wont go only for RA, it goes for all who are using game bugs intentionally!
Yep, exploiting bugs should be forbidden and it _is_ forbidden, everyone would agree with you. But afaik gm's stated that it isn't a bug at all, so nothing to fix and nothing to forbide. -- ignorance is bliss |

Zakalwe
Puppets on Steroids iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.06 10:59:00 -
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CCP want peoples of Earth ont his political game and "no reference to real life political comparison" ? It's a joke ? When tensions arise, all know that this statement is impossible to hold, especially in a such configuration between -V- and RA.
Fortunately the Arab Muslim world is not on this game, it would be impossible to hold in forum (in the game it'be other things 
Originally by: Komolov Edited by: Komolov on 06/10/2006 07:57:01
Originally by: Light Darkness ..
*Snip* Removed for references to real life political comparison, not allowed. - Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc ([email protected])

Hmmm... not in the name of my Corp/Alliance
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.06 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: RUNYOUFOOLS
Originally by: M1NeR And may I ask why do you call it's cheating ? Devs don't forbid to use this yet. So I don't mind using such things either. If devs will tell "this is restricted, you are not allowed to do so" then I won't. It's pretty simple. As long as it's not rescticted it's allowed and is not cheating. It's "game feature", use of standard game mechanics.
So. to counter the horde of stab monkeys, the devs make a ship that can trap anything inside the warp bubble it can drop. Thus (hopefully) allowing ppl to engange said persons. However in your veiw its fine and to quote you twice it's a "game feature" and use of standard tatics.
Can I then ask 1 thing, if logging your ship off to avoid said bubble in your veiw (however twisted it seems to me) is a game feature and use of standard tatics. What would you NOT use to avoid death/gain a advantange?.
And a follow up question, just what are RA's standard tatics. it differs from group to group. And ive never been in RA so id have no idea what your FC's would see as a game feature/use of standard tatics.
No flames please to his repley. im very interested in what the rank and file of RA have to say on matters like this. if my FC was to say to me "ok guys we have 13 they have 11 but got a dictor on the gate. so we jump in and log off. I want no loses on this op" I know what my repley would be. and I cant type it here.
TBH around 15-20 of people we ganked down in ASCN space would use this tactic. If not to save their ship, then their pod. We have no fraps or screenshots (would u believe us if we did?). But logging in such away has lost a lot of the stigma it used to have.
I'm not accusing you personally, but it would be a shame to label RA as spoilting cheaters when there are elemets on ASCN employing the same tactics.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.06 11:06:00 -
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Aye logging off under fire has reached an all time high.
I'd say of all the ships we destroy about 50% of pilots log off to save their pod.
If they had time to react I'm sure the numbers would be similar with regards to ships aswell. We certainly encounter alot of loggers on jump ins when they're not expecting a camp on the other side.
In a twisted sense I don't blame the people logging. It really sucks to lose your expensive ship to a gank, I'd NEVER do it myself but I can see their reasoning.
In my opinion its no-ones fault but the developers. They need to sort this problem out once and for all or at least clearly state that logging off is a big no no.
There has to be some way to police it. :(
Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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LVirus
Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.06 11:08:00 -
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i think we got some screenshots allso with right side of the screen going red. Need to check it when i get home from work. Too bad the local chat window wasnt open and our guy was using fraps for the first time, thats why we didnt get better picture quality. But we will correct those mistakes and by knowing RA we will get more high quality logoffski footage. Stay tuned!
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k1Lz
Delta team Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.06 11:13:00 -
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to much noise for nothing, we all knew RA log when they donĘt have the advantage so way we bother with so much discussions.
MACTEP i have respect for u guys in the way u manage the catch crisis but per total u guys are the lamest PVPs i have encounter, use every single exploit of game until the GM warning u with BAN, u guys make this game ugly and remember IS JUST A F... GAME u`r guys should know that, we donĘt die for real.
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rgreat
Gallente OEG
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Posted - 2006.10.06 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr No matter how much you reason it, RA will always be known as the alliance that can't win a fight unless it log's and can't maintain an alliance without exploiting broken NPC's.
LoL. Whorum warriors strike again. :)
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Zakalwe
Puppets on Steroids iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.06 11:26:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Frater Perdurabo Tho i really hate to say this... you know its just a game right? not a real war?
Ive fought RA : for them, Eve it's not a game, it's their job ; in other words this game is profitable for them that's why they fight like they fight.
For the Coalition, Eve is a game and they want to have fun. Nobody in the West will fight like RA does ; just simply because they dont need this game as a source of income : here lying down the node (!)that makes this situation interesting : some struggle for life, others for fun : RA has retake many territory so struggle for life is more efficient...
Hmmm... not in the name of my Corp/Alliance
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AvanCade
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.06 11:31:00 -
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TBH if there are bugs in the game CCP should fix it, they are the ones allowing ppl the options to use such bugs. If CCP wrote the code in such a way that crashes or logoffski will not save your ship in situations where there is a dictor bubble or an anchored bubble.
So no point pointing fingers at ppl going whaaa whaaa whaaa you exploiter, blame CCP for allowing this to even occur in the first place.
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La Tortura
Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.06 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: k1Lz u guys make this game ugly and remember IS JUST A F... GAME u`r guys should know that, we donĘt die for real.
On the other side I'm pretty sure that those who cries and gives up in "just a games" would give up and cry in the real full-scale war the same way.
And to the German guy that got offended by Komolov's uber alles. You should'n be offended by it, you should be proud of your history, even when it comes to end with horrible loss. People might have been wrong or right, whatever, but it is your history and your ancestors fighted like heroes whatever their aim was for. It is better than sit in a some quasimicrostate and do nothing at all. Think, the heaven is not like a "Paradise", it is more like a Valhalla ;)
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Kaaii
Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2006.10.06 11:37:00 -
[145]
Well as we all know....
"..Red Alliance aren't better pilots...just better exploiters..."
Trading 101 |

nync
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.06 11:37:00 -
[146]
When we fisrt time saw -v- members ctrl+qing to save their ships, we started to think how to pay attention of eve community to get this fixed, I even posted on this forum about -v- members doing it, but as reply from -v- leadership I got whinage about RA logofski and staff. Ipetitioned it and got gm's reply saying it's ok to do that. We even thought about sending letter to ccp ceo asking to solve this issue, but we decided not to because we were never listened by gm' and developers. So we thought that we only way how to get things moving is to make YOU whine on this forums, since it's the only way how changes are happening in this game . It was done with the only purpose to **** you off guys, to see your whinnage on forums, crying rivers and whinning, whinning, whinning. And you behaved as we expected, good boys. Cos if you really think that -v- are so uber that 29 ppl RA gang is afraid to engage your 11 ppl gang and if you really think that we fly with no scouts and covert ops ahead of our gang..... weel... keep living in a world of your own illusions.
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Frater Perdurabo
The Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria
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Posted - 2006.10.06 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard Aye logging off under fire has reached an all time high.
I'd say of all the ships we destroy about 50% of pilots log off to save their pod.
If they had time to react I'm sure the numbers would be similar with regards to ships aswell. We certainly encounter alot of loggers on jump ins when they're not expecting a camp on the other side.
In a twisted sense I don't blame the people logging. It really sucks to lose your expensive ship to a gank, I'd NEVER do it myself but I can see their reasoning.
In my opinion its no-ones fault but the developers. They need to sort this problem out once and for all or at least clearly state that logging off is a big no no.
There has to be some way to police it. :(
Not only is your sig very funny, your post is spot on. ----------------------------------- Please note that my response to this thread is probably a result of boredom, and its very likely that i dont care, but am posting in an attempt to wind someone up |

welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.06 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: AvanCade TBH if there are bugs in the game CCP should fix it, they are the ones allowing ppl the options to use such bugs. If CCP wrote the code in such a way that crashes or logoffski will not save your ship in situations where there is a dictor bubble or an anchored bubble.
So no point pointing fingers at ppl going whaaa whaaa whaaa you exploiter, blame CCP for allowing this to even occur in the first place.
Agree.
Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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Zakalwe
Puppets on Steroids iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.06 11:40:00 -
[149]
Deciding to stay as you knew that you all die is not a good decision ; it'be good if it was a trap or in another purpose (another gang wait elsewere to help you or anything else) the good decision would have been to save your ships and iskies and waiting to build another trap ; you know very well that RA would have let you many occasion to be trapped : they are sure of their forces : it could be a weakness.
Originally by: putukas And came back with much bigger force. We had chance to just warp away, we knew bigger gang is coming to jump on us but we decided to stay and kill as many we can and i think we did well.
Hmmm... not in the name of my Corp/Alliance
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ZePequerio
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.10.06 11:40:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Zakalwe
Fortunately the Arab Muslim world is not on this game, it would be impossible to hold in forum (in the game it'be other things 
WTF ? Those rules have been made exactly to avoid such bull****s now stfu you dumb...
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