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Segraina Skyblazer Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2015.02.19 01:03:06 - [1] - Quote Hello Caps. Just wanted to know if anyone knows when CCP plans to change the T3 cruisers before I start skill planning.
Paranoid Loyd 3908	Posted - 2015.02.19 01:05:46 - [2] - Quote HELLO "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6265	Posted - 2015.02.19 01:06:48 - [3] - Quote Segraina Skyblazer wrote: Hello Caps. Just wanted to know if anyone knows when CCP plans to change the T3 cruisers before I start skill planning. Probably right around the time I'm done training for them. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 33160	Posted - 2015.02.19 01:21:46 - [4] - Quote Hopefully around the time they rebalance Assault Frigate, which are becoming a bit 'meh' with the introduction of the Tactical Destroyers. But, on the strategic cruisers, it's been mentioned a few times by Rise and Fozzie, so it seems like something coming soon'ish. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Ned Thomas Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 921	Posted - 2015.02.19 01:54:09 - [5] - Quote If I had to guess, it'll be after the last Tactical Destroyer gets released. And I expect it will also come with a re-look at assault frigs. Just a hunch. Vote Sabriz!
HeXxploiT Little Red X 99	Posted - 2015.02.19 02:42:19 - [6] - Quote Not paying too much attention to this one as it will mostly be focused on the fleet based T3's. Most of the characteristics that make T3's special will remain intact.
Mary Killigrew Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2015.02.19 02:48:45 - [7] - Quote The Legion is ****. Proteus can have a proper combo for 7 Lows and 3 Mids, while the Legion can't. Not to mention LOL250 dps with a Cloak sub on.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 19903	Posted - 2015.02.19 02:48:58 - [8] - Quote SoonGäó *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji. 1913	Posted - 2015.02.19 03:29:45 - [9] - Quote Segraina Skyblazer wrote: Hello Caps. Just wanted to know if anyone knows when CCP plans to change the T3 cruisers before I start skill planning. If you're worried about the length of time it takes to skill up for a T3 cruiser then really your problems aren't all that big. Once you have cruiser 5 training all T3 skills to 5 is breeze, compared to training say tactical weapon reconfiguration 5 or fighters 5... They really aren't long train times.
Segraina Skyblazer Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2015.02.19 03:53:44 - [10] - Quote Ptraci wrote: Segraina Skyblazer wrote: Hello Caps. Just wanted to know if anyone knows when CCP plans to change the T3 cruisers before I start skill planning. If you're worried about the length of time it takes to skill up for a T3 cruiser then really your problems aren't all that big. Once you have cruiser 5 training all T3 skills to 5 is breeze, compared to training say tactical weapon reconfiguration 5 or fighters 5... They really aren't long train times. I was trying to decide if it was worth training for the T3 cruisers after CCP nerfs them to the ground or train for CS instead.
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 954	Posted - 2015.02.19 03:57:52 - [11] - Quote That they even made the "tactical" destroyers leads me to believe they will balance the T3 cruisers by raising the other three up to the power of the Tengu. Then as a blow from the flank, they throw in T3 Marauders that have the eHP and damage of dreads with the tracking of cruisers. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Rowells ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans 2002	Posted - 2015.02.19 05:10:06 - [12] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: That they even made the "tactical" destroyers leads me to believe they will balance the T3 cruisers by raising the other three up to the power of the Tengu. Then as a blow from the flank, they throw in T3 Marauders that have the eHP and damage of dreads with the tracking of cruisers. god no. Nefr bat naow
Serene Repose 2267	Posted - 2015.02.19 05:35:42 - [13] - Quote They plan to enlarge the cupholders so they'll hold Super Gulps. Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Kellie Dusette Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin 8726	Posted - 2015.02.19 05:36:16 - [14] - Quote HeXxploiT wrote: Not paying too much attention to this one as it will mostly be focused on the fleet based T3's. Most of the characteristics that make T3's special will remain intact. This for hope. Please no touch a T3s. Collect all 3 Dusette Sets (Now available in Thukker Tribe Edition) Basic Edition \| Catcember Edition \| Forum Edition
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 15031	Posted - 2015.02.19 06:19:52 - [15] - Quote Possibly just after fanfest. CCP have been dropping hints that its sometime in the next few months. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Falken Falcon 31574	Posted - 2015.02.19 07:31:27 - [16] - Quote Mary Killigrew wrote: The Legion is **. Proteus can have a proper combo for 7 Lows and 3 Mids, while the Legion can't. Not to mention LOL250 dps with a Cloak sub on. The legion is good, you just gotta know how to fit it and the covertops drops the dps of every T3 to *. (Hint: Mobile depot). Also if you are PVE'ing with that in a non em/them area go HAM's. Yay for missiles \o/ Aye, Sea Turtles*
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation RONA Directorate 1307	Posted - 2015.02.19 08:07:57 - [17] - Quote Never is the correct answer. Why Can't I have a picture signature. Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1922	Posted - 2015.02.19 09:18:53 - [18] - Quote Hopefully they will murder subsystems, burn them and bury them to never be seen again, and just expand on the tactical modes of the destroyers when they address the cruisers. As the number of subsystem combinations is what has resulted in the current T3 issues.
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 1172	Posted - 2015.02.19 09:50:06 - [19] - Quote AF don't need a rethink, T3D need a pre/rethink. But yeah, I'm guessing T3 cruiser rebalance after these destroyers.
Khan Wrenth Hedion University Amarr Empire 110	Posted - 2015.02.19 10:24:48 - [20] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: AF don't need a rethink, T3D need a pre/rethink. But yeah, I'm guessing T3 cruiser rebalance after these destroyers. That makes a lot of sense. But, I would guess that they'll wait a few months before even starting to tinker with the T3C. Once all four T3D are out, they'll want to observe how people use them, what sort of emergent gameplay comes out of it, tactics, fits, how well the stats/modes work, etc. With that information in hand, they could apply those lessons to the T3C. This is going to sound odd, but I wish the T3 classes didn't end up adjacent to one-another. I would have preferred T3 destroyers and battlecruisers, rather than destroyers and cruisers. Cruisers already have a lot of versatility and specializations, the battlecruiser line would do well to have a general-purpose-but-not-as-good-as-specialized ship (if they ever figure out how to actually balance T3 stuff out). HTFU.-á Adapt or die.-á Beware the falcon punch.
Ruvin 178	Posted - 2015.02.19 10:29:23 - [21] - Quote Mary Killigrew wrote: The Legion is **. Proteus can have a proper combo for 7 Lows and 3 Mids, while the Legion can't. Not to mention LOL250 dps with a Cloak sub on. legion may not be the best , but its decent enough , and i really enjoy flying it, tbh i would be extreemly happy if they didnt "change it at all" not buff or nerf . as for dps i can get 350 or so with cloaky legion . But dont forget neut cloaked tackler one with 200k ehp. (prot cant do that ) tldr : leave the legion alone , dont buff it dont nerf it :D Opportunities multiply as they are seized.**
Liafcipe9000 Critically Preposterous 33502	Posted - 2015.02.19 10:39:41 - [22] - Quote it's one of those things that are rated "Half Life 3" for chances of occurence. along with What Awaits Beyond The Door. Founder of the Graycember movement and LAGL's pet cat.
Godfrey Silvarna Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 301	Posted - 2015.02.19 10:41:39 - [23] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Hopefully they will murder subsystems, burn them and bury them to never be seen again, and just expand on the tactical modes of the destroyers when they address the cruisers. As the number of subsystem combinations is what has resulted in the current T3 issues. This would make sense. I very much like what they have done with the Tactical Destroyers, and I suspect a similar scheme would work brilliantly for Stategic Cruisers as well.
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2717	Posted - 2015.02.19 10:43:36 - [24] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Hopefully they will murder subsystems, burn them and bury them to never be seen again, and just expand on the tactical modes of the destroyers when they address the cruisers. As the number of subsystem combinations is what has resulted in the current T3 issues. It has been stated, that subsystems will stay. D3s and T3 while both being of sleeper origin, are separate and distinct styles of ships.
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 743	Posted - 2015.02.19 12:27:15 - [25] - Quote Ruvin wrote: legion may not be the best , but its decent enough , and i really enjoy flying it, tbh i would be extreemly happy if they didnt "change it at all" not buff or nerf . as for dps i can get 350 or so with cloaky legion . But dont forget neut cloaked tackler one with 200k ehp. (prot cant do that ) tldr : leave the legion alone , dont buff it dont nerf it :D The Legion is probably the one in the "right" place (its got its use, its a little better than its equivelant HAC, but not stupidly so). The Loki and Proteus aren't ridiculous, but are probably due a slight retune. As for the Tengu, there is no way it isn't getting the hammer (I say this as someone who has more kills in a Tengu than any other ship, and has yet to ever lose one - its getting the hammer).
Segraina Skyblazer Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2015.02.19 12:28:29 - [26] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Hopefully they will murder subsystems, burn them and bury them to never be seen again, and just expand on the tactical modes of the destroyers when they address the cruisers. As the number of subsystem combinations is what has resulted in the current T3 issues. The subsystems is what make T3 cruisers shines above all other sub-caps in the game, why would they remove it? And where will all those subsystem skills go? If CCP does away with the subsytems they are going to open a can of worms that'll cause a whiplash for players who trained all T3 cruisers subs to 5. And the T3 Destroyers format pales in comparison unless they go with 5 mode changes instead of 3 or increase the depth of the attributes in each mode.
Segraina Skyblazer Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2015.02.19 12:45:20 - [27] - Quote Aralyn Cormallen wrote: Ruvin wrote: legion may not be the best , but its decent enough , and i really enjoy flying it, tbh i would be extreemly happy if they didnt "change it at all" not buff or nerf . as for dps i can get 350 or so with cloaky legion . But dont forget neut cloaked tackler one with 200k ehp. (prot cant do that ) tldr : leave the legion alone , dont buff it dont nerf it :D The Legion is probably the one in the "right" place (its got its use, its a little better than its equivelant HAC, but not stupidly so). The Loki and Proteus aren't ridiculous, but are probably due a slight retune. As for the Tengu, there is no way it isn't getting the hammer (I say this as someone who has more kills in a Tengu than any other ship, and has yet to ever lose one - its getting the hammer). I'd say it should be the standard for all T3 cruisers. And it just so happens to be the one I'm lustfully eyeing down right now. Sigh... if only I played this game 3 or 4 years ago when the 100mn Tengu struck terror throughout the eve universe. If they nerf the Tengu anymore then they have already I might start crying.
Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 1078	Posted - 2015.02.19 12:51:28 - [28] - Quote Well the t3's are really battle cruiser class ships stat wise (Dps and tank is that of a bc, speed sig, mass is a cruiser). They could go this direction. 1) move all t3's to a battle cruiser skill tree (now need bc to train it). 2) change the t3 ship specific skill to reduce mass per skill level (currently it reduces heat damage to overheating). This makes it a mandatory training for wormholers, and a not so mandatory training for everybody else. At 5, the mass would equal that of the current t3's. At 1, equals that of a battleship (yup you wouldn't be able to fit it into a c1 hole). 3) redo or possibly remove the rigs from the ships. Boost the subsystems to compensate for the rig losses (they prevent changing of the ship fits. 4) reduce the subsystem options from sets of 4 to sets of 3. Merge the excesses subsystems into the others. That's dramatic a change there. It reduces options for fitting the ship, but makes those options now options and useful. Another option is to allow the ship to have two fits. Subsystem A fit, Subsystem B fit. Two fits, two systems. To balance it out, slot selections vary, and anything without an active slot is offlined. You switch subsystems, they online while other offlines (complicated though). It would allow the ship to be more modular, but now I'm just spitballing ideas. Yaay!!!!
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 1174	Posted - 2015.02.19 15:04:36 - [29] - Quote Phoenix Jones wrote: SoonGäó FTFY
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 619	Posted - 2015.02.19 15:52:52 - [30] - Quote Segraina Skyblazer wrote: Nevyn Auscent wrote: Hopefully they will murder subsystems, burn them and bury them to never be seen again, and just expand on the tactical modes of the destroyers when they address the cruisers. As the number of subsystem combinations is what has resulted in the current T3 issues. The subsystems is what make T3 cruisers shines above all other sub-caps in the game, why would they remove it? And where will all those subsystem skills go? If CCP does away with the subsytems they are going to open a can of worms that'll cause a whiplash for players who trained all T3 cruisers subs to 5. And the T3 Destroyers format pales in comparison unless they go with 5 mode changes instead of 3 or increase the depth of the attributes in each mode. CCP can just refund the SP. No big deal. I, too, kind of like the idea of killing subsystems and moving to the D3 method. Carrying around a mobile depot is kind of a bummer, T3s don't have very large cargo bays. The subsystems are pretty big too. And expensive. It is a fairly big cost in ISK value and cargo space to really be able to have the versatility that T3s are supposed to have. But as Omnathious Deninard mentioned, CCP has said subsystems are staying for the cruisers.

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