Hopefully they will murder subsystems, burn them and bury them to never be seen again, and just expand on the tactical modes of the destroyers when they address the cruisers. As the number of subsystem combinations is what has resulted in the current T3 issues.

How could they refund the SP if a capsuleer re-trained lost skill levels to V several times? I don't think subsystems are going anywhere.

How could they refund the SP if a capsuleer re-trained lost skill levels to V several times? I don't think subsystems are going anywhere.

Subsystems are what make t3 cruisers t3s. And its awesome.

I would suspect that a re-balance would perhaps nerf t3 to the point where it is never better than any specialized t2 cruiser at that specific role. Not too much of a nurf in otherwords.

Perhaps also re balance subsystems that are hardly used or heavily underused.

If it is much of a nurf then well the SP lose would need to go away.

In terms of train times. Yea t3 are a very small step up from t2 with respect to train times. It is like only a few days for each to lvl 4 and typically i only have one or 2 at lvl 5. Right now training tactical reconfiguration lvl 5 and BS lvl 5. Now that is train times.

Hmm good point, I don't know if CCP's record of skill training history goes back any farther than our own.

SP loss, another thing I don't like about the T3 cruisers.

The Legion is ****.

Proteus can have a proper combo for 7 Lows and 3 Mids, while the Legion can't. Not to mention LOL250 dps with a Cloak sub on.

legion may not be the best , but its decent enough , and i really enjoy flying it, tbh i would be extreemly happy if they didnt "change it at all" not buff or nerf .

as for dps i can get 350 or so with cloaky legion .
But dont forget neut cloaked tackler one with 200k ehp. (prot cant do that )

tldr : leave the legion alone , dont buff it dont nerf it :D

I'm actually kind of liking the new system they introduced with flat bonuses with the T3 Destroyers recently, but being able to switch setups on the fly. If they did something similar with the T3 Cruisers, it would simplify them for balancing, but also still allow for multiple configurations. I wish they would have introduced the T3 Cruisers the same way, but alas hindsight is assuredly always 20/20.

Of course, those invested in building subs and T3's currently would of course disagree... but again, it's just another idea. (zomg, but I've got trillions of isk invested in building parts, etc.)

I honestly don't think they'll do much to change them, because they've already opened Pandora's Box with introducing the T3 Cruisers system the way it is... and no matter what someone is going to be disappointed with any changes they implement and scream bloody murder to try and counter the balances. (insert whines about "balance" and how everything should be different here, etc.)

Drop the price of the subsystems significantly,

Probably right around the time I'm done training for them.

SoonGäó

I know that feel.

I'm actually kind of liking the new system they introduced with flat bonuses with the T3 Destroyers recently, but being able to switch setups on the fly. If they did something similar with the T3 Cruisers, it would simplify them for balancing, but also still allow for multiple configurations. I wish they would have introduced the T3 Cruisers the same way, but alas hindsight is assuredly always 20/20.

Of course, those invested in building subs and T3's currently would of course disagree... but again, it's just another idea. (zomg, but I've got trillions of isk invested in building parts, etc.)

I honestly don't think they'll do much to change them, because they've already opened Pandora's Box with introducing the T3 Cruisers system the way it is... and no matter what someone is going to be disappointed with any changes they implement and scream bloody murder to try and counter the balances. (insert whines about "balance" and how everything should be different here, etc.)

Drop the price of the subsystems significantly, make the m3 of the subs a lot smaller (something akin to a stack of ammo, and then allow for on the fly changing of subsystems through the cargo hold (now T3s have to carry the subs in their hold and can drop as loot), then allow changing of roles (like the D3s) but allow customization by allowing the defense role to require subsystems 1-3 to change, but can use options A-C so you still have a lot of variances in your "defense role".

This would be the most customization you could provide while putting more at risk (through the subs in the cargo hold) without necessarily increasing the price of the hull.


However, we still need to address the 300+ EHP fits...that is what is so game breaking. Tiny sigs, double BS EHP, high speeds, and slightly lower DPS then said BS makes things very sad and boring. Somewhere between rebalanced HAC EHPs and Faction BC would be appropriate assuming their are some trade offs like increased mass, inertia modifiers, lower dps, etc.

That they even made the "tactical" destroyers leads me to believe they will balance the T3 cruisers by raising the other three up to the power of the Tengu. Then as a blow from the flank, they throw in T3 Marauders that have the eHP and damage of dreads with the tracking of cruisers.

The 300+ehp fits are usually stone bricks that can be kited by Hyperions with sub-par dps, there is nothing OP about them. They are only mostly used as bait or hold tackle (cov-ops) anyways so they have very limited uses. I regret not playing this game 3 or 4 years ago where the T3 cruisers were mainstays. CCP deciding to change them when I'm about to start flying them is Diabolical.

I really hope the T3 nerfbat is tied into a buff to boosters which was mentioned a while back. T3s are punching above their weight and making some other classes redundant as a result, fair enough. But the player fascination with the class lies in their ability to customise, and make unique settups. I really think that should be extended, and it should tie into implants, skills and boosters in as complicated a way as possible to create the scope for genuinely original comps which might not be replicable.

I'm actually kind of liking the new system they introduced with flat bonuses with the T3 Destroyers recently, but being able to switch setups on the fly. If they did something similar with the T3 Cruisers, it would simplify them for balancing, but also still allow for multiple configurations. I wish they would have introduced the T3 Cruisers the same way, but alas hindsight is assuredly always 20/20.

Of course, those invested in building subs and T3's currently would of course disagree... but again, it's just another idea. (zomg, but I've got trillions of isk invested in building parts, etc.)

I honestly don't think they'll do much to change them, because they've already opened Pandora's Box with introducing the T3 Cruisers system the way it is... and no matter what someone is going to be disappointed with any changes they implement and scream bloody murder to try and counter the balances. (insert whines about "balance" and how everything should be different here, etc.)

The Legion is probably the one in the "right" place (its got its use, its a little better than its equivelant HAC, but not stupidly so). The Loki and Proteus aren't ridiculous, but are probably due a slight retune. As for the Tengu, there is no way it isn't getting the hammer (I say this as someone who has more kills in a Tengu than any other ship, and has yet to ever lose one - its getting the hammer).

SoonGäó

I'm actually kind of liking the new system they introduced with flat bonuses with the T3 Destroyers recently, but being able to switch setups on the fly. If they did something similar with the T3 Cruisers, it would simplify them for balancing, but also still allow for multiple configurations. I wish they would have introduced the T3 Cruisers the same way, but alas hindsight is assuredly always 20/20.

Of course, those invested in building subs and T3's currently would of course disagree... but again, it's just another idea. (zomg, but I've got trillions of isk invested in building parts, etc.)

I honestly don't think they'll do much to change them, because they've already opened Pandora's Box with introducing the T3 Cruisers system the way it is... and no matter what someone is going to be disappointed with any changes they implement and scream bloody murder to try and counter the balances. (insert whines about "balance" and how everything should be different here, etc.)

Tech 3s need to keep all their bonuses intact when in wspace and lose 20% of their bonuses when in kspace. The unused subsystems should be buffed to fall in line with the mosy common used ones.

This way T3s wont be the go to blob option in nullsec, we wspace guys can keep fighting with them in our area of the game. Since its mostly nullsec complaining about tech 3s anyways.