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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2015.02.23 10:02:15 -
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I see no reason for a change to the skill system, it is reasonably fair and equitable and as far as I know cannot be gamed which makes it a rare thing in EvE.
As to the purchase of SP this is something I will always oppose and the removal of attributes and there replacement with a flat rate of SP gain would remove the need for Neural remaps.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
The Periphery
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Posted - 2015.02.26 14:04:03 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Paid cheating damages the integrity of the sandbox.
That's why I'm against RMT (and accept the PLEX system as a lesser evil, as it reduces unsanctioned RMT which comes with a lot of account hacking, just ask World of Warcraft players how common hacked accounts are there).
And it's why I'm against this stupid proposal.
Succinctly put.
If either skill remapping or SP purchase came in it would be time biomass and find something else to spend my time on.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
The Periphery
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Posted - 2015.03.10 15:09:27 -
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Mehrune Khan wrote:I don't think new players should have to rely on the character bazaar to get ahead - the 10 to 20 bil price tags on most of the decent characters there are far and away out of reach of anyone with a middle class income. I don't know about you, but I'm not dropping $300 on PLEX for a new toon, especially one that I can't rename.
Bizarre how people can become so attached to the existing paradigm of skill advancement, when it's purely a matter of the amount of money paid to CCP. Time spent playing isn't even a factor - your skills trudge along at the same grinding pace even if you aren't logged in. From a mechanical standpoint there is no functional difference between someone who created an account 10 years ago and has stayed subbed all that time only logging in to set skills, versus someone who wants to play the game a lot right now and is willing to pay more money to CCP for some extra SP.
"But I haven't paid CCP anything - I buy my PLEX with ISK!" Well someone still paid RL money for that PLEX. CCP still got their money. It all comes down to paying CCP for your SP. Fundamentally there shouldn't be anything wrong with paying CCP more money for more SP.
To which I believe the most succinct reply is:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Paid cheating damages the integrity of the sandbox.
That's why I'm against RMT (and accept the PLEX system as a lesser evil, as it reduces unsanctioned RMT which comes with a lot of account hacking, just ask World of Warcraft players how common hacked accounts are there).
And it's why I'm against this stupid proposal.
As to the Character Bazaar I've never liked it and the only justification I see for it is that much like like PLEX it is a lesser evil. Better that than the unregulated and unsafe sale of accounts on markets such as eBay.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
The Periphery
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Posted - 2015.03.10 16:53:11 -
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If CCP were to institute SP purchase then they might as well go the whole microtransactions route and start selling gold ammo and pulling shiny super bonused hulls out of thin air along with all the other paraphernalia of Pay2Win.
Thin end of the wedge.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2015.03.12 08:29:44 -
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Its as bad or worse than any other idea for short cutting the current system which is reasonably fair, no one as far as I've ever heard has been able to gain an advantage from it bar those anyone with the in-game cash to buy gains (which are at least risked in-game) and it is the same for everyone as long as they can afford to subscribe or plex the account they want to train.
As far as I can see many of those proposing skill purchase and remaps basically can't get there heads round the fact they can't have everything NOW and are willing to wreck a fundamental part of the game for the sake of short term gratification and an inability to live with the consequences of their decisions like the rest of us have.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
The Periphery
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Posted - 2015.03.12 18:06:40 -
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I can't actually think of a proposal that wouldn't do more to encourage risk aversion and discourage PvP than this.
A large number of people won't PvP if they have dirt cheap +1 implants and cheap hardwires in half the time, what is losing those compared to the risk of SP loss?
Plus it would also make smart bombing Proteus pilots the highest SP and most common pilots in the game.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
The Periphery
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Posted - 2015.03.16 08:22:32 -
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Reasons not to have SP purchase or skill remaps:
Tippia wrote:It removes the point of having skills to begin with.
It removes the point of having attributes.
It removes attribute implants from the game.
It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups.
It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character.
It removes planning and choice and consequences.
It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas.
It kills character trading.
It massively boosts older characters over new ones.
It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.
While I'm pretty meh about the first two points myself as it looks like attributes are going the way of the dodo I do believe the rest to be valid.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
The Periphery
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Posted - 2015.04.03 18:42:17 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Nasar Vyron wrote:Did you seriously just tell people who were against this to ignore the matter altogether?
This is a game of consequence. Decisions made today effect tomorrow either with the skills you train or the actions you make, there is no reset for when you make a mistake. If I take a super out today and take a few gate without scouting I don't get to say "oops" when I get caught and lose it. I don't get my slave clone back either, what a shame. I lose it that's not very fun, I want a do over.
People are paying CCP for access to their servers each month. A smart choice would be to train a character during that time, but you are under no requirement to do so. I have no idea how many months of time I wasted forgetting to start a skill back in the days before skill queues even existed. And in those days you never head anyone crying for that time back. Now that we have near infinite skill queues you hear people now asking for the ability to remap??? RIDICULOUS! Give a player an inch they'll take a mile. Don't be a child. Just about every MMO that has ever been has offered a respec ability - EVE isn't so special it should be any different. If you don't want to use it, then don't, but I see no reason why CCP shouldn't implement this.
By that logic if just about every MMO offers Pay2Win items and instant gratification so should EvE.
What makes EvE worthwhile is that it is different.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
The Periphery
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Posted - 2015.04.22 12:56:43 -
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How about simply not having remaps.
This eliminates the need for a major revamp of a system which is reasonably fair (depending on how you feel about learning implants), cannot be gamed and has worked perfectly well since the removal of ghost training some years ago.
True you can't buy your way into everything you want instantly but then I don't see delayed gratification as a bad thing for this game.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
The Periphery
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Posted - 2015.06.06 17:13:25 -
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All that is going to do is create a multitude of Instant gank, cyno, scamming and scout alts.
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