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D'Aria	Posted - 2006.10.07 23:57:00 - [1] I've been running some figures trying to work out how much these BPO's will cost when they are released and i was hoping for some comments / discussion. I planning on buying one as soon as they come out and have mineral stocks to build a few asap, i plan on building for a few days maybe a week before starting ME research, cashing in on the "OMG new shipzorz must buy" nature of a lot of players 4tw) I've been working under the assumption that the BPO will cost 10x the base price of the ship (as is generally the case for Tech 1 ships) Initally i thought that they'd be priced inbetween the Tier 2 BS and Dread / Freighter price, aka about 1.5bill isk making the base cost 150mill. Then i looked closer at the price progression form Tier 1 cruisers through to Tier 3. Using the Amarr Cruiser and existing BS prices i have since come to the following conclusion. Ship Base Costs Tier 1 Cruiser (Augoror) - 2,907,500isk Tier 2 Cruiser (Average of Omen and Arbitrator) - 4,032,500isk Tier 3 Cruiser (Maller) - 8,375,000isk As can be seen the cost ratios are Tier 1 > Tier 2 - 1>1.39 Tier 1 > Tier 3 - 1>2.88 Tier 2 > Tier 3 - 1>2.08 Tier 1 Battleship (Armageddon) - 66,250,000isk Tier 2 Battleship (Apocalypse) - 112,500,000isk Cost Ratio Tier 1 > Tier 2 - 1>1.7 As you can see the cost ratio of Tier 1 > Tier 2 Battleship is greater than that of the cruiser by a factor of approximately 1.5 Running a 1.5 times modifier on the ratio to predict the Base price of the Abaddon, from the Apocalypse i came out with a figure of close to 280mill which i feel is just too expensive for a ship that is not intended to be far better than the Apocalypse and a massive amount of isk for the BPO. So i then used the ratio for the Tier 1 > Tier 3 cruise and applied to the Armageddon cost to get a much nicer figure of just under 200mill Armageddon Base Price x Tier1>Tier3 (cruiser) Ratio = Abaddon Base Price 66,250,000 x 2.88 = 190,831,900isk Allowing for some fiddling from CCP i therefore think the New Battleship BPO's will be priced around the 2 Billion isk marke putting them on a par with the Dreadnought / Frieghter BPO prices, much more than i first thought. Therefore i'm aiming to have 2bill isk in the bank and approximately 600mill's worth of minerals to build 3 units to sell asap. Please pick holes in my logic and share your own thoughts
Fliewatuet Angelus dos Business	Posted - 2006.10.08 06:36:00 - [2] And guess how many others will do exactly the same you want to do. :-) It will definetly be interesting to see what happens to the prices in the first few days. --
Angelis666 Amarr Polytope Ghosts of Retribution	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:42:00 - [3] Am i only the only smart one here? Im going to wait untill every joe and his dog has the BPO and buy the BPC off escrow :D If you give a man a fire he will be warm for a night, Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
D'Aria	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Angelis666 Am i only the only smart one here? Im going to wait untill every joe and his dog has the BPO and buy the BPC off escrow :D Depends which Joe you buy the BPC's off? What isn't smart about buying a BPO, making isk of the rush caused by it's release, researching it then selling BPC's / BPO for a profit?
D'Aria	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Fliewatuet And guess how many others will do exactly the same you want to do. :-) It will definetly be interesting to see what happens to the prices in the first few days. I'm guessing loads of peole are planning on doing so, however i'm banking on their being massive demand first. If they don't sell well on the open market i can always shift loads to my alliance.
xlop Gallente Yes no maybe - i dont know	Posted - 2006.10.08 18:02:00 - [6] will be very interesting too see how many tier 3 bpos sell within the first week of kali release. i think we may well see 500+ sold on the first day! -- Imperial College London FTW --
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.10.08 19:17:00 - [7] Originally by: xlop will be very interesting too see how many tier 3 bpos sell within the first week of kali release. i think we may well see 500+ sold on the first day! I highly doubt we'd see a Trillion isk move toward Tier III BPOs on the first day, in fact I'm pretty sure we won't even see that many BPOs purchased in total (per ship). Join Tharsis! - Get Sexy Sigs
Wyke Mossari Gallente Staner Industries The Confederation	Posted - 2006.10.08 20:30:00 - [8] Your making a big assumption that these will be available on the Market. Given they are Tech III they will be BPO lottery items.
Athanasios Anastasiou Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.10.08 20:33:00 - [9] They are tech 1 ships. They are just tier 3, so they will be available on the market. It's kinda like how rifter (which I believe is a tier 3 frigate) bpos are on the market.
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.08 20:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Wyke Mossari Your making a big assumption that these will be available on the Market. Given they are Tech III they will be BPO lottery items. Ahaha. Do a little more research. They are no more tech 3 than the caracal is --------

James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.08 20:50:00 - [11] Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: Wyke Mossari Your making a big assumption that these will be available on the Market. Given they are Tech III they will be BPO lottery items. Ahaha. Do a little more research. They are no more tech 3 than the caracal is 'specially as the Caracal's Tier 2 :)
Tas Devil JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.10.09 09:46:00 - [12] you guys train to make so many uneducated comments ? or it comes naturally ? Tas The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to Killer8 for this ! This includes bad language... so beware
Jen Yon	Posted - 2006.10.09 10:50:00 - [13] new tier 3 BS BPO¦s will they be seeded by NPC on the market? is ALL tech 1 ships BPO¦s seeded on the market by NPC?
Lord WarATron Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:22:00 - [14] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 09/10/2006 11:23:00 Idiots guide -> BPO's will be available on market -> BPC's will take a time to filter through -> BPO prices will be upto 10% higher due to inital rush, as the way NPC's price items that are not bought. -> Anyone wanting to start the Tier3 BS Business needs at least 2 - 2.5 bil to get started in order to buy the BPO, and have enough cashflow to have constant production. - Or they can just research the BPO then produce BPC's when ready. Research outposts and Research POS's with the +70% Research bonus will win here. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Tas Devil JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.10.09 11:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Jen Yon new tier 3 BS BPO¦s will they be seeded by NPC on the market? is ALL tech 1 ships BPO¦s seeded on the market by NPC? yes all t1 BPO up to now is meant to be seeded on the market by npcs ... but note my use of 'meant' there are some well known missing t1 BPOs... Tas The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to Killer8 for this ! This includes bad language... so beware
RoCkEt X Caldari The Order of Chivalry	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:32:00 - [16] Edited by: RoCkEt X on 24/10/2006 08:33:48 it would not surprise me at all if the mad rush to get tier 3 battleships made the price rocket to maybe 300mil, it is reasonable to expect as the supply catches up with demand that prices will fall. i am waiting for the test server to come back up now. before i think about buying one on tranquility, i will need to fully test them on singularity. by reading the dev blog we can see that only some aspects of the tier 3's are desirable. such as thier tanking capability. the part that worries me is the theory that tier 2's no longer rule the spacelanes, thier price will fall, which is not good if you own either a tier 2 battleship or the tier 2 bpo. As i am lazy, i wont buy bpc's or bpo's i'll just buy off the market a few weeks after patch deployment when all the idiots who brought one straight away are scratching thier heads and wondering how they got ripped off.
Magunus The Forsakened Few The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.10.24 12:22:00 - [17] Originally by: RoCkEt X Edited by: RoCkEt X on 24/10/2006 08:33:48 <snip> i am waiting for the test server to come back up now. before i think about buying one on tranquility, i will need to fully test them on singularity. <snip> And it's for exactly this reason that I doubt we'll see tier 3 battleships or tier 2 battlecruisers on sisi until after they go live on TQ except in the hands of devs and bughunters. Sisi isn't meant for you to test ship setups or playing with new toys risk free, it's for testing the patch. --- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:33:00 - [18] I believe at first they are going to be expensive, as their BPOs haven't been researched by anybody.
DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 09/10/2006 11:23:00 Idiots guide -> BPO's will be available on market -> BPC's will take a time to filter through -> BPO prices will be upto 10% higher due to inital rush, as the way NPC's price items that are not bought. -> Anyone wanting to start the Tier3 BS Business needs at least 2 - 2.5 bil to get started in order to buy the BPO, and have enough cashflow to have constant production. - Or they can just research the BPO then produce BPC's when ready. Research outposts and Research POS's with the +70% Research bonus will win here. Your idiot guide is wrong. that 10% (could we really say 20%?) spread that most items have doesnt extend to every item, nor is it a fixed spread for every item barge bpo's have no spread, price will never go up or go down. The new bpo's "MAY" have the same spread. also if the 10% spread is there it will drop really fast (not same day, but it will drop really fast)


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