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Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:49:00 - [1] Edited by: Louisa Torres on 08/10/2006 01:50:29 Of course, specifically, to ASCN. Over the last few days we've had various accusations thrown at us on how we hax logins, cause node crashes on purpose and various other, for want of a better word, excuses as to why we're coming out on top. There are a number of reasons for this, in order they are: 1 - Discipline 2 - Experience 3 - Luck So, in an attempt to increase the gaming experience of EVERYONE in EvE, but specifically to try and help certain parts of our opponent get over themselves and hush the whining, I'm going to explain what I do (note, this is me, personally, what other pilots do may vary, some may do things that I do not know about that also help, hell some of this stuff might not help at all and maybe some of it makes a difference, who knows?). I've previously posted all of the data that will be concerned in this post in various threads and in the different sub-forums so don't worry, I'm not actually giving away any secrets. 1 - Discipline We do as we're told. It's as simple as that. We follow our fleet commands without question, sometimes it gets us killed, most of the time that discipline wins us battles in the most immense of odds. We don't spam teamspeak, we don't harass people in gang, we keep quiet, we use the comms channels available to us to find out the answers we need to be an effective cog in what becomes a smooth running machine. 2 - Experience Not only does experience of combat give us the discipline that is so important, it also means we know what to expect in any given situation AND how to customise our client to get the best possible performance. I personally remove ALL colours and tags on my overview. I also have different overview settings for different shiptypes and roles. If I'm in a battleship and we're in a large fleet fight the only shiptype I show is that of a battleship. The only column I show is NAME. I don't have range showing, at all, it's a needless client calculation that you simply don't need and people who also then show velocity or transversal (etc) need their head checking and will get absolutely no sympathy from me when their client lags in a big fleet op. We ensure our turrets and effects are turned off and our view is zoomed out to the max until the enemy fleet warps in, or when we jump through a gate, we have our overviews minimised until the enemy fleet is visible. I personally play in windowed mode, you should be able to work out which graphics settings are optimal for your client and you can also assign more memory to your client in the prefs.ini file in \ccp\eve\settings. I've also found that removing the z buffer helps aswell. Experience also teaches me that when I'm logging back in after a ctd, or after a node crash, I will close the crashed client, reload another instance (contrary to some claims I (and we) do NOT sit with another instance already open in anticipation of a crash), login, select my character and WAIT for entering game. We don't sit their whining about it, we don't keep rebooting the client, we just SIT. It may take 10s, it may take 10mins, we_just_sit_there - we'll load eventually. 3 - Luck I would say this is pretty self explanatory, but everyone needs it some time. Maybe the two CRITICAL points above mean we make our own luck, but who can really say? At the end of the day, ladies and gentlemen, beyond all the accusations of ccp favouritism, cheating, haxing, regardless of how we behave on these forums and the personas we play in this GAME, when you come up against me, when you come up against RKK and when you come up against BoB we're playing by the same rules as everyone else. If people cannot handle that, if this simple truth is unbelievable to you, if you need to convince yourself that the only way YOU could POSSIBLY lose is if the opponent is cheating then it is my humble opinion that you may need to reassess why you play EvE and what it is you seek to get out of it.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:50:00 - [2] I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I would be first in line to petition it. Sit down, relax, don't hate the players, hate the game.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.08 01:58:00 - [3] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/10/2006 01:59:12 Clearly, this is mere BoB propaganda. We all know that the GMs are just BoB alts. Or are they? (On a more serious note: agreed, wholeheartedly, and completely. When we jumped into Huzzah space quite a while back, we got a giant whine thread complaining about how we had used a "login trap" when we had simply jumped into their system through the gate. Once Hans realized his scout was wrong, however, he retracted the accusation and had a mod lock the thread.) -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Selpy 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:01:00 - [4] Originally by: Louisa Torres I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I would be first in line to petition it. Sit down, relax, don't hate the players, hate the game. That is soo 90's, didn't work for Booker T, and it doesn't work for you :P Look deep into these eyes, they'll be the last thing to see you!
Sir Erighan The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:06:00 - [5] We all hate this game ATM. It's just some people are benefiting while others are being taken advantage of. It's frustrating when a node crashes, BoB is able to load 190 people into TPAR and ASCN can only load 10. Yeah, it could be luck, but when it happens each and every time a node crashes, people start to ask questions. Personally, I'm not accusing BoB of using any exploits, but I would like CCP to explain the situation and what it is we're doing wrong. We know how to optimize our clients, so there has to be another reason.
m0jo Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:06:00 - [6] Quote: 1 - Discipline 2 - Experience 3 - Luck I disagree with the third one. Ive never experienced luck when in a BoB fleet cuz we always ownerized everything.
Vily Lilium Venture Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:11:00 - [7] very nice post. constructive and very postive. the information while quite obvious to most people is very useful to newer players. qudos, for giving ascn information that they should all have. im still rooting for ascn, but a very pleasant move from a BOB player ------------------------ Listed as Such, I claim nothing but existense. know me true -Vily
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:13:00 - [8] Edited by: Louisa Torres on 08/10/2006 02:13:59 Originally by: Sir Erighan We all hate this game ATM. It's just some people are benefiting while others are being taken advantage of. It's frustrating when a node crashes, BoB is able to load 190 people into TPAR and ASCN can only load 10. Yeah, it could be luck, but when it happens each and every time a node crashes, people start to ask questions. Personally, I'm not accusing BoB of using any exploits, but I would like CCP to explain the situation and what it is we're doing wrong. We know how to optimize our clients, so there has to be another reason. I ask this with absolutely no malice, Sir E: Are you absolutely sure your gangmates are trying to log in? I'm with you 100% though, IF you are doing exactly the same things that we do, IF you are replicating our discipline, dilligence and patience following a node crash then I, too, would want to know why it takes you guys so much longer to get logged back in.
Cabadrin Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/10/2006 01:59:12 Clearly, this is mere BoB propaganda. We all know that the GMs are just BoB alts. Or are they? (On a more serious note: agreed, wholeheartedly, and completely. When we jumped into Huzzah space quite a while back, we got a giant whine thread complaining about how we had used a "login trap" when we had simply jumped into their system through the gate. Once Hans realized his scout was wrong, however, he retracted the accusation and had a mod lock the thread.) Oi! You stole my map! Also, I agree with the OP's main points. Discipline is essential, and experience only makes it easier to listen to the FCs. That's a large part of why the MC is so successful. _______________________________________________
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:22:00 - [10] Very nice post Louisa, very generous of you to share some tips with the rest of EVE... I hope you have bkmrked this thread.. ... so you can refer back to it everytime BoB gets accused of OMGXPLOITHAXXOR!! etc...
Sir Erighan The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:23:00 - [11] Edited by: Sir Erighan on 08/10/2006 02:23:54 Well, I can only hope our members are logging in so they can provide additional backup, which I know they're doing because we all talk about on TS. Again, it's just frustrating and we're only trying to understand the situation.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:24:00 - [12] Good post. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:29:00 - [13] Edited by: Grimster on 08/10/2006 02:30:12 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/10/2006 02:25:31 Clearly, this is mere BoB propaganda. We all know that the GMs are just BoB alts. Or are they? Nice try but your diagram is blatantly inaccurate, you have an arrow running directly from CCP to ASCN, this in conjunction with the arrow that flows from CCP through ISD then into BoB PROVES that your diagram is an on-the-spot fabrication. These forums are not the place for your fabrications! Aside from that Great post Louisa
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Grimster Originally by: Dark Shikari Clearly, this is mere BoB propaganda. We all know that the GMs are just BoB alts. Or are they? Nice try but your diagram is blatantly inaccurate, you have an arrow running directly from CCP to ASCN, this in conjunction with the arrow that flows from CCP through ISD then into BoB PROVES that your diagram is an on-the-spot fabrication. These forums are not the place for your fabrications! Unlikely--that diagram was created by an MC member! -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Ardpirate Phantom Squad iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:37:00 - [15] Edited by: Ardpirate on 08/10/2006 02:42:27 gj bob may the best person win im pished :}
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:44:00 - [16] Originally by: Dark Shikari Unlikely--that diagram was created by an MC member! Got that from the URL. But it goes to show you the MC is in no way connected to ANY dev accounts despite the insistance of some <aehm> members of the community. Here's another thing, when you're jumping gates in fleet, hit jump, ctrl and TAB to minimise your UI, just before you jump it will maximise again giving you a second or 2 to ctrl TAB again and you should jump successfully without emergency warping on the other side. Probably
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Grimster Originally by: Dark Shikari Unlikely--that diagram was created by an MC member! Got that from the URL. But it goes to show you the MC is in no way connected to ANY dev accounts despite the insistance of some <aehm> members of the community. Here's another thing, when you're jumping gates in fleet, hit jump, ctrl and TAB to minimise your UI, just before you jump it will maximise again giving you a second or 2 to ctrl TAB again and you should jump successfully without emergency warping on the other side. Probably Oh... that's definately one I haven't heard before. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Major Dim Caldari Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.08 02:58:00 - [18] Some words about the afternodecrashbacklogin. It seem that if u have a fleet sitting on a gate and another fleet that has hit warp to the gate and then the node crashed - the ones on the gate can log on muuuch faster. On the other hand if the node crashed while a gang jumped through a gate while the other were waiting behind it - the jumping in guys seem to be in favour of the servergods and can login back faster.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:04:00 - [19] good post, respect - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Dortock The Scarlet Harmonic	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:11:00 - [20] Good post, but it lacks.. 4. Band of Brothers Navy Issue H4xx0rz Gives BoB pilots increased damage, range, tracking and a once-an-hour ability to destroy a ship of your choice instantly. Available only to pilots flying under the BoB banner. King Tinfoil Hatter
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Dortock Good post, but it lacks.. 4. Band of Brothers Navy Issue H4xx0rz Gives BoB pilots increased damage, range, tracking and a once-an-hour ability to destroy a ship of your choice instantly. Available only to pilots flying under the BoB banner. It's Fleet Issue not Navy Issue
Barwinius Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:24:00 - [22] Thank you for the post and subsequent replies, it is appreciated.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:32:00 - [23] Edited by: Rikeka on 08/10/2006 03:33:38 Edited by: Rikeka on 08/10/2006 03:32:22 Louisa, I dont want to create a thread about it, so I¦ll just ask here... Can you explain the 3311 ship kills of the last hour (3314 in the last 24 hours) in B-DFU while there are only 5 peeps in local?
Riddari Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:32:00 - [24] Your list lacked a little something. 4. Spies ¼+¼ a history
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Rikeka Edited by: Rikeka on 08/10/2006 03:33:38 Edited by: Rikeka on 08/10/2006 03:32:22 Louisa, I dont want to create a thread about it, so I¦ll just ask here... Can you explain the 3311 ship kills of the last hour (3314 in the last 24 hours) in B-DFU while there are only 5 peeps in local? Am I missing something? :$ No system by that name. Sounds fun though.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:37:00 - [26] Edited by: Rikeka on 08/10/2006 03:40:10 Edited by: Rikeka on 08/10/2006 03:37:26 Sorry, ment B-7DFU (Querious) You can¦t miss it, the red circle reaches up to Domain.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Rikeka Edited by: Rikeka on 08/10/2006 03:37:26 Sorry, ment B-7DFU (Querious) You can¦t miss it, the red circle reaches up to Domain. Well you see... FIX lost a very large fleet. We had logged on all our alts and all of BoB's alts, and even all of MC's alts (even though they're the same characters as BoB's alts) but ACSN superweaponed all the Velators -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:41:00 - [28] Edited by: Rikeka on 08/10/2006 03:41:45 Err, DS. I¦m just curious, I¦m not trying to flame. Honestly curious.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Rikeka Edited by: Rikeka on 08/10/2006 03:37:26 Sorry, ment B-7DFU (Querious) You can¦t miss it, the red circle reaches up to Domain. wow, I see what you mean. 3311 ships destroyed in the last hour. Not a single jump in the same time period, 6 pilots active average in the last 30 minutes. There are no bugs in eve, only features ;)
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.08 03:44:00 - [30] Originally by: Riddari Your list lacked a little something. 4. Spies Spies, though certainly useful, are not essential to winning, Riddari. We generally operate under the assumption that there ARE spies everywhere, that way we aren't surprised if it's actually true.

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