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Robyn Hoodlum Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2015.02.23 10:48:12 - [1] - Quote Hello. Yesterday I bought a PLEX and activated multiple character training with the idea that this character would use it to train skills for Faction Warfare. However based on advice and recommendations I have received I have decided to do it on my main who has 7mil SP instead. I am using my main to run missions currently so I might potentially have an ISK gap. I know it is possible to make ISK in FW, but at the very least it will take me some time before I can earn enough to cover my losses. I am therefore going to use this alt to run missions instead. My main is trained in Gallente ships, so ideally I dont want to use this alt to fly Gallente. That leaves me with Caldari, Minmatar and Amarr. It would seem that the possible options for mission runner is: Minmatar: Typhoon or Maelstrom (Typhoon looks Kickass!) Amarr: Abbadon(wow...), Apocalypse and Armageddon Caldari: Raven and Rokh(wow...) Ideally I should be able to train to fly one of them within the next 30 days, though I do know that I would probably have to PLEX it another month to become really effective at it. If you were in my situation with 30 days to train to fly a L4 Battleship, what ship would you choose to go for and what fit? My order of preference for the above ships (based on looks) would be: 1. Typhoon 2. Abbadon 3. Rokh 4. Everything Else P.S. I don't have to have the best possible with the best possible fitting. I want a ship that would be capable of doing it, and doing it well enough that I wont be in danger of exploding upon warp in. If it takes a little longer, then it takes a little longer! I dont play this game to min/max, I play it to have fun (and yes, I find running missions surprisingly fun, but then again I do 2 or 3 a day max)
Mr Mac Dark Goliath 19	Posted - 2015.02.23 11:13:00 - [2] - Quote If you planning to run missions with two accs. I'd train 2 domis if i were you
Robyn Hoodlum Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2015.02.23 11:25:14 - [3] - Quote Mr Mac wrote: If you planning to run missions with two accs. I'd train 2 domis if i were you I only have the one account. One character for FW and another for PVE.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.02.23 11:28:30 - [4] - Quote Confusing. Is it for ISK making? If so, why not sell the PLEX on the market instead of MCT?
Yossarian Toralen M and M Enterpises 13	Posted - 2015.02.23 11:48:55 - [5] - Quote Use the buddy invite system to start another account, 21 days for free, sub it for a month, cheaper than the cost of a plex and you can play both toons at the same time, which comes in handy. On the which to train question it seems that missile boats are quite popular for missions due to being able to switch damage types, much the same as drones but you don't lose/gain range or damage amount.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1410	Posted - 2015.02.23 11:52:37 - [6] - Quote Yossarian Toralen wrote: Use the buddy invite system to start another account, 21 days for free, sub it for a month(?) and get a plex (or other stuff) given to your main that you can give to your other account. You get 2 months and 21 days for cheaper than the cost of a plex. On the which to train question it seems that missile boats are quite popular for missions due to being able to switch damage types, much the same as drones but you don't lose/gain range or damage amount. Yeah but missile boats like the 'phoon are very skill intensive. The phoon, despite being awesome with good missile skills, on a one month alt would probably suck bigtime.
Robyn Hoodlum Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2015.02.23 11:54:47 - [7] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Confusing. Is it for ISK making? If so, why not sell the PLEX on the market instead of MCT? Because I enjoy the PvE aspect of EVE as well even though it is 'unpopular' to admit that I enjoy being a carebear too. I bought the PLEX on the market, with ISK that I made myself ingame. I enjoy being self sufficient. Last time I played I funded myself with PLEX that I bought for real cash, and it killed the enjoyment for me so I quit playing. This time I made ISK ingame and I am loving it.
Robyn Hoodlum Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2015.02.23 12:00:28 - [8] - Quote Yossarian Toralen wrote: Use the buddy invite system to start another account, 21 days for free, sub it for a month, cheaper than the cost of a plex and you can play both toons at the same time, which comes in handy. On the which to train question it seems that missile boats are quite popular for missions due to being able to switch damage types, much the same as drones but you don't lose/gain range or damage amount. I didnt buy the PLEX with real cash, I made it myself. I know I could also have created the character on a separate account, and I did have a second account until a few days ago. I just found that I did not really have a use for a second account (my laptop has problems running 2 instances of EVE at the same time). I therefore took the decision to rather run everything from a single account for now. I might later re-consider this.
Koebmand Silverflames 22	Posted - 2015.02.23 12:11:21 - [9] - Quote I made a skill plan for a sniping MJD Domi once as part of a discussion of how fast you could get into L4 missions, as a side effect to using drones it would also be ok efficient as soon as you got the ship skill (plan of course used remap (incl 1 bonus) and grouped training) 5 months - and its guns still mostly untrained if I remember correctly - but remapped into getting BS IV-V and guns trained. I don't think you are gonna get anywhere with 1 PLEX for MCT. RNI/Golem for Caldari. Don't take a T1 tank BS for missions, you are there to kill.
Mobbel Ernaga School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 18	Posted - 2015.02.23 13:59:15 - [10] - Quote Training a mission runner takes from 6 to 12 month. After 6 months you are barley able to do it, after 12 month you can have your Marauder at V and cut through L4s like a hot knife through butter.

Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1026	Posted - 2015.02.23 14:04:46 - [11] - Quote just make a duct-taped sentry domi faction sentries and MJD, the only important skills to max would be drone sharpshooting V and gallente BS 4. None of the others will be anywhere near effective as this boat in that time.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 382	Posted - 2015.02.23 17:15:13 - [12] - Quote probably in the first 6 months of training any character would be more isk / hour running level 3s. You might want to focus on a battlecruiser and level 3's for now. If you decide that you want to keep going with the MCT you could then move into T3 cruisers for level 4s. If you want to go strait for Battleships you'll likely have that second character sitting in station waiting for skills to train for at least 2 or 3 months. Battleships and large weapons take a long time to train not to mention all the fitting skills and the fact that you'll want T2 tank mods pretty soon.
David Therman University of Caille Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2015.02.23 20:29:03 - [13] - Quote Personally, I used the 20 day MCT for my other account to try and train a passive-tanked rattlesnake; as it turns out, I looked at it and decided it would be best to keep it going to fill out on a few skills, so I got myself an additional MCT. For some reason I trained CPU and PGM to V almost right of the bat, but really all you'd need is Shield Rigging, the pre-requisites for Heavy Drones and Sentries. Then you have shield tank skills; Energy Grid Upgrades at 3/4 for the power relays, Shield Upgrades for the Rechargers, Tactical Shield Manipulation for the active fields. Additionally, filling out the pre-requisites for the MJD is also a good idea. After that, skills like Drone Interfacing and Avionics if you can spare the time (although I'd make Avionics a priority), as well as Weapon Upgrades to 4 for the t2 damage amps. From there it's just a case of levelling up the Gallente and Caldari trees until you have both battleship skills. Note (if this wasn't already obvious) that this is for a purely drone-based set-up, there just isn't the time to get decent missile skills as well, although I'd like to add that it only takes a few hours to train into medium/large remote reps if you really want to fill out the high slots (as I did). I'd start off with levelling the spaceship command skills until you've got the required skills, maybe level up Caldari Battleship to 3 for a few extra resist points. After that, you can plan the tank and drone skills accordingly... it wouldn't be good to train too much of that first, only to find out that your MCT runs out 1 hour before your last battle-cruiser skill is about to hit level 3. Finally, I'd recommend getting faction sentries for the extra DPS if you need to snipe, seeing as it's only 2 per group and they're virtually indestructible with the Rattler's hull bonus. And now, I wait with baited breath for someone to lay into me about a critical skill that I may have missed, or that it's simply not possible to get all that done in 30 days... (RIP finger-tips)
Dredd Lochness Munster Dredd Lochness Munster Corporation 9	Posted - 2015.02.24 03:19:38 - [14] - Quote I've mainly played Minmatar, so I can't compare race to race. I like Minmatar for missioning because Angel's have the easiest ewar to deal with, target painting. In a BS, so size is pretty moot anyway. Much easier to put up with, in my opinion, then jamming, tracking disruption, cap drain, sensor damp... Arty maelstrom with 8 1200s, a couple tracking computers, AB, active shield boost, a couple mission specific shield hardeners, 3x gyros, couple power diags in the lows, and cap memory cells for the rigs. 30 days will be "just okay" income. May want to dedicate a little more time, here and there, to adding a tad more skill points than you'll be able to achieve in 30 days.
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 169	Posted - 2015.02.24 03:31:50 - [15] - Quote With 30 days to train I agree with the level 3 mission ship instead. 30 days to train a level 4 character is possible but I do not think you would be as ISK effective as running 3's. Just my thoughts on this part. Which ship? I fly with others that use all of the ships you listed and they are all capable mission runners but most of them lack in some areas. Do you plan on running missions in a specific area of EvE, if so what area? Or are you likely to fly in many areas? The answers to these would have a large impact on which ship I would recommend.
Koebmand Silverflames 22	Posted - 2015.02.24 03:53:03 - [16] - Quote Sentry drones to V + DI V for basic sniping drone damage alone is 66 days (incl prereqs). Then comes +range, +tracking , racial skill IV and probably a few more basic skills. Getting money out of a L4 mission is more than just flying around inside the mission area, you also need to make things dead at a certain rate to not just waste your time.
Orlacc 810	Posted - 2015.02.24 04:10:04 - [17] - Quote You can not efficiently or even safely run level 4s in 30 days. "Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Forum Posts Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2015.05.10 02:15:31 - [18] - Quote Orlacc wrote: You can not efficiently or even safely run level 4s in 30 days. Sorry if this is a necro, but it just isn't true. You could skill a Gila in 30 days and be flying it well enough for efficient level 4's. Obviously another 30 days would vastly improve things.
Traejun DiSanctis Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance 106	Posted - 2015.05.10 06:15:39 - [19] - Quote Orlacc wrote: You can not efficiently or even safely run level 4s in 30 days. Not true, there will just be certain L4s you shouldn't do. If you just B-line for your chosen Battleship and get the requires skills to minimum or passable levels, you can fit the ships well enough to do most L4 missions. Hell, a good deal of them can be done in Battlecruisers. Skip Worlds Collide, Massive Attack and [pirate] Extravaganza. The rest are doable with a shitfit. It's not recommended, but certainly doable.
Livonia Velorea The Fiendish Pixies 43	Posted - 2015.05.10 08:40:15 - [20] - Quote Can't help but feel that one would be better off trying to skill up a cruiser and running highsec combat sites as a more viable option than this. The loot fairy can be a cruel misstress but it's a much more viable 30-60 day training, and if you know what you are doing or where to go (which you would learn over time) it should atleast be more interesting and potentially more profitable than level 4's. That siad, I can't see why you would have any issues at all funding your pvp in FW through FW itself. If you aim to farm lp you can make a fairly easy 1 billion in a week which will subsequently fund everything you could want for many weeks following. Then you rinse and repeat. Either way if you want a more detailed skill plan for level 4's or advise on combat sigs or FW lp farming, feel free to catch me in game to chat. I pew you too! <3



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