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 Shadowthrone    |
Posted - 2003.10.28 13:37:00 -
[31] Surpise is usually the best weapon in these situations indigo. There is no point in lingering so long in a system, so that pirates build up a substantial and superior force. This tends to be a dangerous situation for pirate hunters as some of our guys will get bored waiting for you to attack and their attention will lapse. I know that many a wanna be pirate hunter has been caught out by SI this way. Only the noob hunters talk smac in local.We dont talk in local as it is distracting. Celes Kill Board "Show them no mercy, for you will receive none" |
 Shadowthrone Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency |
Posted - 2003.10.28 13:37:00 -
[32] Surpise is usually the best weapon in these situations indigo. There is no point in lingering so long in a system, so that pirates build up a substantial and superior force. This tends to be a dangerous situation for pirate hunters as some of our guys will get bored waiting for you to attack and their attention will lapse. I know that many a wanna be pirate hunter has been caught out by SI this way. Only the noob hunters talk smac in local.We dont talk in local as it is distracting. "Show them no mercy, for you will receive none" |
 darth solo |
Posted - 2003.10.28 13:55:00 -
[33]
Are u for real, our group never say a word in local, we always try and keep out of local, and we didnt run, we went to bed  after 4 hours of play.we respect pirates, but u do a HELL of alot of lying, dont u. I just need to turn up in a rat system, and i get abuse. like hey darth i still have your corpse, u are a *****, come and fight us u carebear coward. LOL. i dont even look at local chat now, i just rely on our group spotting rats.  . |
 darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency |
Posted - 2003.10.28 13:55:00 -
[34]
Are u for real, our group never say a word in local, we always try and keep out of local, and we didnt run, we went to bed after 4 hours of play.we respect pirates, but u do a HELL of alot of lying, dont u. I just need to turn up in a rat system, and i get abuse. like hey darth i still have your corpse, u are a *****, come and fight us u carebear coward. LOL. i dont even look at local chat now, i just rely on our group spotting rats. .RECRUITING... visit www.celesapoc.com ingame channel "celespublic" for recruitment or chat |
 darth solo |
Posted - 2003.10.28 13:57:00 -
[35] Errrr, sorry Mars for hijacking your post. Hope u get your revenge my friend. |
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency |
Posted - 2003.10.28 13:57:00 -
[36] Errrr, sorry Mars for hijacking your post. Hope u get your revenge my friend. RECRUITING... visit www.celesapoc.com ingame channel "celespublic" for recruitment or chat |
 Bobby Wilson |
Posted - 2003.10.28 14:23:00 -
[37] The title is irritating because: 1. This is not a "known" exploit. In fact CCP in their wisedom has many times said this is cool. So experienced players are not expecting this thread. 2. This tactic does suck, however, and if you title was more like "when is CCP going to fix the 'known' lag issue" then you'd be more on topic and it *might* be yet another thread reminding CCP of the core problem. Camping jump-in points isn't the problem. The problem is that you are announced in the new star system before your client loads fully, and sometimes the lag time is more than long enough for the immunity timer to expire, the camper to lock you and for offensive action towards you in whatever form to be well along before you even know what is going on. Everyone who wants to win ATM camps jump-in points, usually with mines, drones, whatever isn't currently considered an exploit. Valid tactic or exploit is ATM a matter of CCP opinion from on high, rather than common sense. Meanwhile, "noble" PvPers who refuse to use the tactic will get smoked in any serious war. The fix was "coming soon (tm)" ages ago in a CSM, but has been dropped since. Random jump-in points, gate to gate jumping or whatever won't address this key problem of server-side lag and client announcement. BW
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 Bobby Wilson Gallente |
Posted - 2003.10.28 14:23:00 -
[38] The title is irritating because: 1. This is not a "known" exploit. In fact CCP in their wisedom has many times said this is cool. So experienced players are not expecting this thread. 2. This tactic does suck, however, and if you title was more like "when is CCP going to fix the 'known' lag issue" then you'd be more on topic and it *might* be yet another thread reminding CCP of the core problem. Camping jump-in points isn't the problem. The problem is that you are announced in the new star system before your client loads fully, and sometimes the lag time is more than long enough for the immunity timer to expire, the camper to lock you and for offensive action towards you in whatever form to be well along before you even know what is going on. Everyone who wants to win ATM camps jump-in points, usually with mines, drones, whatever isn't currently considered an exploit. Valid tactic or exploit is ATM a matter of CCP opinion from on high, rather than common sense. Meanwhile, "noble" PvPers who refuse to use the tactic will get smoked in any serious war. The fix was "coming soon (tm)" ages ago in a CSM, but has been dropped since. Random jump-in points, gate to gate jumping or whatever won't address this key problem of server-side lag and client announcement. BW |
Dell |
Posted - 2003.10.28 14:39:00 -
[39] Edited by: Dell on 28/10/2003 14:41:23 Its not a exploit but it does suck, However rather then Posting in the forum, go pirate Hunting and wait by the jump in points and give them a big fat taste of there own cowardly Medicine. |
 Dell Reikoku Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.10.28 14:39:00 -
[40] Edited by: Dell on 28/10/2003 14:41:23 Its not a exploit but it does suck, However rather then Posting in the forum, go pirate Hunting and wait by the jump in points and give them a big fat taste of there own cowardly Medicine. |
Zell |
Posted - 2003.10.28 15:03:00 -
[41]
Then come back here to the boards and eagerly await the posts from pirates howling at ccp's patch for random jump ins that are ruining PVP-pirating, how it sucks to be a pirate anymore, and the countless threads of "I can't gank anymore, im quiting" posts... "A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.." |
 Zell Caldari Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2003.10.28 15:03:00 -
[42]
Then come back here to the boards and eagerly await the posts from pirates howling at ccp's patch for random jump ins that are ruining PVP-pirating, how it sucks to be a pirate anymore, and the countless threads of "I can't gank anymore, im quiting" posts... A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.. |
Darth Vodka |
Posted - 2003.10.28 22:01:00 -
[43] end-yourself's to the idiots that keep saying get a better computer or connection. good fast machine, a decent graphics card with plenty of memory on it, and broadband connection, easily meeting the min requirements to play Eve Online the machine or the connection is not the damn problem do you think that fecking money grows on tree's !! or maybe your mommy / daddy buys all your computer equipment for you People that make stupid comments like that are troll baiting and they know it. End-Yourselves |
 Darth Vodka |
Posted - 2003.10.28 22:01:00 -
[44] end-yourself's to the idiots that keep saying get a better computer or connection. good fast machine, a decent graphics card with plenty of memory on it, and broadband connection, easily meeting the min requirements to play Eve Online the machine or the connection is not the damn problem do you think that fecking money grows on tree's !! or maybe your mommy / daddy buys all your computer equipment for you People that make stupid comments like that are troll baiting and they know it. End-Yourselves |
 Dell |
Posted - 2003.10.28 22:34:00 -
[45] Edited by: Dell on 28/10/2003 22:35:02 Or you could get a job, build your own computer and stop trying to run Eve on that 5 year old calculator you must use! |
Dell Reikoku Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.10.28 22:34:00 -
[46] Edited by: Dell on 28/10/2003 22:35:02 Or you could get a job, build your own computer and stop trying to run Eve on that 5 year old calculator you must use! |
 Plim |
Posted - 2003.10.28 23:12:00 -
[47] LOL Come on guys of course camping and lagging a jump in point is not an exploit don't be stupid. I mean just because people get so badly lagged that they cant even see whats going on, and they cant even fight back, and they can even be killed before the screen loads at all, and just because it gives players an immediate advantage other the ones being lagged, that dosent sound anything like an exploit at all does it? You'd OBVIOUSLY have to be such a complete an utter moron to think that. Obviously. I mean its so obvious. Morons. Use some logic. I mean its in the game mechanics, so why not explot it... er did I say exploit, doh... no I mean use it.. yeah. Desclamer: For the extreme dim witted, or indeed simple minded reading this post, I am being sarcastic. ----------------- |
 Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency |
Posted - 2003.10.28 23:12:00 -
[48] LOL Come on guys of course camping and lagging a jump in point is not an exploit don't be stupid. I mean just because people get so badly lagged that they cant even see whats going on, and they cant even fight back, and they can even be killed before the screen loads at all, and just because it gives players an immediate advantage other the ones being lagged, that dosent sound anything like an exploit at all does it? You'd OBVIOUSLY have to be such a complete an utter moron to think that. Obviously. I mean its so obvious. Morons. Use some logic. I mean its in the game mechanics, so why not explot it... er did I say exploit, doh... no I mean use it.. yeah. Desclamer: For the extreme dim witted, or indeed simple minded reading this post, I am being sarcastic. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus." |
 Jolo |
Posted - 2003.10.29 01:22:00 -
[49] just get the book mark and a bunch of battleships and do it back to them. and you're a ding-dong for not checking your map for kills. My corp mate got podded in the same manner, but we waited for him to log on and we wapred in with kestrals and fired off like 10 cruise missles... just get revenge, don't call it an exploit. --------------------------------------- |
 Jolo Gallente |
Posted - 2003.10.29 01:22:00 -
[50] just get the book mark and a bunch of battleships and do it back to them. and you're a ding-dong for not checking your map for kills. My corp mate got podded in the same manner, but we waited for him to log on and we wapred in with kestrals and fired off like 10 cruise missles... just get revenge, don't call it an exploit. |
 Zarthan |
Posted - 2003.10.29 02:25:00 -
[51] I've never been killed at a jump in because I.. A) Have a cable connection cuz online gamming without one is rather pointless. B) have a good computer and it may be three years old but for 3-4 hundred it's amazing how much u can improve an older system. here is something for the not so smart people. If your computer sucks at running the game try these things. 1)get 512-1meg of ram (only will cost u maybe 300) 2) spend 100 dollar on new vid card. Also in regards to the topic, there is no other way to engage in combat in empire space anymore so deal with it. If everyone hadn't *****ed for sentry guns at every gate then maybe oh just maybe right now u people wouldnt have this problem. As they say thou u reap what u....well it's played out but u get what i mean. Have a nice day! _______________________________________________________ Get custom sigs and graphics done here Unforgivn Website |
 Zarthan Sturmgrenadier Inc |
Posted - 2003.10.29 02:25:00 -
[52] I've never been killed at a jump in because I.. A) Have a cable connection cuz online gamming without one is rather pointless. B) have a good computer and it may be three years old but for 3-4 hundred it's amazing how much u can improve an older system. here is something for the not so smart people. If your computer sucks at running the game try these things. 1)get 512-1meg of ram (only will cost u maybe 300) 2) spend 100 dollar on new vid card. Also in regards to the topic, there is no other way to engage in combat in empire space anymore so deal with it. If everyone hadn't *****ed for sentry guns at every gate then maybe oh just maybe right now u people wouldnt have this problem. As they say thou u reap what u....well it's played out but u get what i mean. Have a nice day! _______________________________________________________ Get custom sigs and graphics done here Unforgivn Website |
 Tealnyue |
Posted - 2003.10.29 02:31:00 -
[53] *get's off the fence* Don't blame the Bounty hunters or the Pirates for using this tatic. Focus your anger at the root of the cause. This GAME was and is marketed as both a player vs player and a player vs enviroment game. It was supposed to allow both styles of play to both types of players. But due to flaw/glitches that we have to play with or we have to use. One side or the other is getting hurt. The half *** fixes that they are implenting are hurting us (secure cans, let's give it to one side. But not allow the other side away to counter it). The Lack of content for the PvE players is hurting both sides. Concepts that are only half finish are hurting us. Promises that are not kept or are being put on eternal hold are hurting us. All this leads to an unrully player base. With an unrully player base, no or very few new players will be drawn in. I dread the gate to gate jumping that is being talked about with out sometype of work being done to the fix what is causing the lag. Hell escaping combat is way to easy unless the true aggressor does something to the extreme to force combat. Hell I delt with 20 sec lag due due to 10 cruisers and 5 battleships all warping into an area to face several targets. 20 secs where the campers KNEW were coming, KNEW we were there, and had a chance to flee. I had targets able to warp in and out of a gate 5 times, and each time I couldn't make a lock, (I have a lock time of 2.73 secs) being forced each time to curse at the 10 sec rule. Watching the target finaly able to use that same 10 secs to make the jump. Jumping through a gate with 4 cruisers and 4 battleships against 3 cruisers with drones. I was locked down before I could do ANYTHING! (I don't have a poor system, I am on a broadband conection so those arguements are out the window?) How are you supposed to have combat? Pray that each time I see another player i have to pray that the other player is AFK? I firmly believe that each side should have an EQUAL chance to engage in combat as they have in escaping combat. These tatics of causing the other side to lag will not go away on thier own. CCP needs to step up to the plate, admit thier is a problem and fix that problem. THE BETTER NOT PROMISE A FIX SOON. Thier SOON is 6 months to a year later, and in that time alot of players are finally going to give up, and say enough is enough. |
 Tealnyue The Scope |
Posted - 2003.10.29 02:31:00 -
[54] *get's off the fence* Don't blame the Bounty hunters or the Pirates for using this tatic. Focus your anger at the root of the cause. This GAME was and is marketed as both a player vs player and a player vs enviroment game. It was supposed to allow both styles of play to both types of players. But due to flaw/glitches that we have to play with or we have to use. One side or the other is getting hurt. The half *** fixes that they are implenting are hurting us (secure cans, let's give it to one side. But not allow the other side away to counter it). The Lack of content for the PvE players is hurting both sides. Concepts that are only half finish are hurting us. Promises that are not kept or are being put on eternal hold are hurting us. All this leads to an unrully player base. With an unrully player base, no or very few new players will be drawn in. I dread the gate to gate jumping that is being talked about with out sometype of work being done to the fix what is causing the lag. Hell escaping combat is way to easy unless the true aggressor does something to the extreme to force combat. Hell I delt with 20 sec lag due due to 10 cruisers and 5 battleships all warping into an area to face several targets. 20 secs where the campers KNEW were coming, KNEW we were there, and had a chance to flee. I had targets able to warp in and out of a gate 5 times, and each time I couldn't make a lock, (I have a lock time of 2.73 secs) being forced each time to curse at the 10 sec rule. Watching the target finaly able to use that same 10 secs to make the jump. Jumping through a gate with 4 cruisers and 4 battleships against 3 cruisers with drones. I was locked down before I could do ANYTHING! (I don't have a poor system, I am on a broadband conection so those arguements are out the window?) How are you supposed to have combat? Pray that each time I see another player i have to pray that the other player is AFK? I firmly believe that each side should have an EQUAL chance to engage in combat as they have in escaping combat. These tatics of causing the other side to lag will not go away on thier own. CCP needs to step up to the plate, admit thier is a problem and fix that problem. THE BETTER NOT PROMISE A FIX SOON. Thier SOON is 6 months to a year later, and in that time alot of players are finally going to give up, and say enough is enough. |
Zell |
Posted - 2003.10.29 04:42:00 -
[55] Edited by: Zell on 29/10/2003 04:43:33
Don't blame the killer that uses a gun, focus your anger on the gun manufacturer, the root of the cause... Sounds about right. "A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.." |
Zell Caldari Caldari Provisions |
Posted - 2003.10.29 04:42:00 -
[56] Edited by: Zell on 29/10/2003 04:43:33
Don't blame the killer that uses a gun, focus your anger on the gun manufacturer, the root of the cause... Sounds about right. A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.. |
 Zarquon Beeblebrox |
Posted - 2003.10.29 09:09:00 -
[57] Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 29/10/2003 09:10:16 The bigest games online are PVP games. EVE should be a PVP only game. And better yet, TVT (team vs team) or perhaps GvB (good vs bad) -- Lady Beeblebrox Teddybears movies |
 Zarquon Beeblebrox Liberate Vos Ex Inferis |
Posted - 2003.10.29 09:09:00 -
[58] Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 29/10/2003 09:10:16 The bigest games online are PVP games. EVE should be a PVP only game. And better yet, TVT (team vs team) or perhaps GvB (good vs bad) -- Lady Beeblebrox |
darth solo |
Posted - 2003.10.29 10:00:00 -
[59] I have a superd PC which i spend loads of money on. I also have a 1mb cable connection. It doesnt seem to matter . To tell players to go out and buy uber machines isnt the answer, and i wouldnt recommend players going into debt in the hope that this may fix all the problems, because it wont im sorry to say, it might improve them though. |
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency |
Posted - 2003.10.29 10:00:00 -
[60] I have a superd PC which i spend loads of money on. I also have a 1mb cable connection. It doesnt seem to matter . To tell players to go out and buy uber machines isnt the answer, and i wouldnt recommend players going into debt in the hope that this may fix all the problems, because it wont im sorry to say, it might improve them though. RECRUITING... visit www.celesapoc.com ingame channel "celespublic" for recruitment or chat |
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