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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2006.10.09 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 09/10/2006 16:57:09
 Originally by: Rutoo
Originally by: Roshan longshot
You can not leave the corp and come back after the war is over.
You can not disband the reform the corp due to war.
You are sadly mistaken Sir, This has been down time and time again. It is not a exploit because if it was CCP would just make it so you cannot rejoin the same corp for 6 months.
I've left a corp in my early days during time of war to rejoin it, back when i didn't want to PvP.
EVE is not just a PvP game, it's also a PvE. A large part of the player base have never pvped. And they never want to nor have a thrill to PvP, they pay for the game and play it the way they want to.
I'll also state if someone declares war on my alt-corp in empire i would leave it and come back when the war is over, it's MY corp, i paided the 1 million ish to start it and i want to rejoin it.
So again you are mistaken and you need to provide proof for you false claims
Mate! Grow the **** up! You're hijacking the thread and showing an extreme lack of consideration for the OP and his real points, which you are coincidentally reinforcing. 
edit: *sigh* sometimes you just gotta get the flame on 
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Rutoo
Gallente
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 09/10/2006 16:57:09
Originally by: Rutoo
Originally by: Roshan longshot
You can not leave the corp and come back after the war is over.
You can not disband the reform the corp due to war.
You are sadly mistaken Sir, This has been down time and time again. It is not a exploit because if it was CCP would just make it so you cannot rejoin the same corp for 6 months.
I've left a corp in my early days during time of war to rejoin it, back when i didn't want to PvP.
EVE is not just a PvP game, it's also a PvE. A large part of the player base have never pvped. And they never want to nor have a thrill to PvP, they pay for the game and play it the way they want to.
I'll also state if someone declares war on my alt-corp in empire i would leave it and come back when the war is over, it's MY corp, i paided the 1 million ish to start it and i want to rejoin it.
So again you are mistaken and you need to provide proof for you false claims
Mate! Grow the **** up! You're hijacking the thread and showing an extreme lack of consideration for the OP and his real points, which you are coincidentally reinforcing.
edit: *sigh* sometimes you just gotta get the flame on
No i'm addressing the other person in this thread that thinks it's a expolit and has no real clue.
I agree with the OP, but the OP has to realise there is still alot of people that are willing to help out, Also, and it's sometimes better to just stand out and help them then to stay in the back and not say anything at all!
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Mak'shar Karrde
Minmatar
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
Mate! Grow the **** up! You're hijacking the thread and showing an extreme lack of consideration for the OP and his real points, which you are coincidentally reinforcing.
edit: *sigh* sometimes you just gotta get the flame on
Erm... Er... Nevermind.
You can't blame people for arguing over the finer details. Especially when those finer details are used as an example to reinforce the main point. Calling people trolls/flamers or whiners because they choose to debate over the finer details instead of the broad message is silly, you add nothing to the debate at all.
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Eve Hel
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:11:00 -
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i totally agree, theirs alot of ppl on this forum who doesn't know how to behave ! and it's in no way only the alt posters... i see alot of mains/or second accounts mains post rude flame/trolling,,, sometimes im amased that so many ppl needs to trash others.
imagen a EVE-forum were every1 talked nice to hitogher hehe a imporseble world im afread  |
Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:20:00 -
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I have to say that whilst I agree it's preferrable, especially in the general section of the forum (the Alliance forums need a bit of fire going on, it's all part of the immersion/RP/fun), to have people respond in a polite manner I do find it's often the case that someone strongly espousing their point of view is mistaken to be flaming, impolite, rude or unkind.
It's a fact that a form of communication such as a forum is a much harder medium to express the nuances of your message and as such people often come across as way more abrupt than they normally would.
In short, yes people should play nice but other people need not to be overly sensitive too.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: KnightCrawler
I spend a lot of my time reading these forums and almost every time I see a new person make a post on these forums asking for help or trying to figure something out that person is trolled, flamed, and mocked.
Every time I see someone trolled and flamed I bite my tongue, scared that if I try and help il be dragged down to but I had enough of it.
My final straw was the post I read yesterday about how a ceo wanted to dispand his corp that was war dec'd, so that his corp wouldnt have to pvp. He was compeletely flamed and trash talked.
You know what, He pays the monthly fee, let him play how he chooses, if he doesnt want to pvp that his damn choice. I actualy think he deserved props for being new and figuring out how to manipulate the game mechanics in his favor without breaking the rules so that he didnt have to pvp after being war dec'd and that the corp that war dec'd him just lost million of isk to fight a corp that doesnt exist.
Not everyone is a eve vet. How would you like if it was your first day in eve and you were all excited and decided to make your first forums post, and then the embaressment
of getting trashed by the community.
This forum community has gotten to the point where a large majority of the people are nothing short of abusive.
There is a simple saying: "If you have nothing nice to say, Don't say anything at all".
I know there are a few of us who make an effort to help by posting positive and constructive comments but sadly they are usualy overshadowed by forum trolls.
I have been watching this community get worse and worse since I started eve a few years ago.
Im tired of keeping quiet. If you want to flame me for saying this or put me down with stupid comments so be it. Atleast I had enough courage to speak up and I know I am in the right.
I'm not going to flame you, but I'll explain this to you.
When you buy FIFA Soccer for Playstation, you expect to be playing soccer.
When people whine on the boards that FIFA Soccer should let people play Tennis because they paid $49.95 for the product, they get flamed.
Eve is a clan-based PVP sandbox.
War, Piracy, Crime. That's what Eve is all about.
When people come in here and say they don't want War Piracy and Crime, it's like buying FIFA Soccer and asking why theres so much Soccer.
Maybe you like certain aspects of Eve and hate other aspects.
That's fine.
The important thing is that you make the positives outweigh the negatives.
First off pull your pants up like a big boy, dry your eye, and close your mouth.
Instead of whining about "waaaah griefers" just ask advice on what to do.
First off. Every corp has to know how to defend itself.
If the CEO has no PVP experience or is not inclined to learn very quickly, then your corp is up the creek from the word GO.
Every business in Eve has to deal with Loss.
You mine 100 mil a week
You lose 10 mil to pirates
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Net gain : 90 mil
That's Eve math.
But people have a tendency to whine about the 10 they lost.
Every corner grocery store has a security alarm. Every business has insurance. Every nighclub has bouncers.
You can't operate any business without security.
Eve is no different.
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: ching'sta
Are you all born yesterday? The example is not the point.
The example may not be the point, but it is also not a very good example. Someone posted a thread about game mechanics that has been flogged to death many times, and did it in an angry and agressive manner. Classic flame-bait if ever I saw it. As one might expect, he got flamed to a crisp and the whole, tired discussion started up again.
Nonetheless, poor examples aside, the OP has a point.
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Eve Hel
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
I have to say that whilst I agree it's preferrable, especially in the general section of the forum (the Alliance forums need a bit of fire going on, it's all part of the immersion/RP/fun), to have people respond in a polite manner I do find it's often the case that someone strongly espousing their point of view is mistaken to be flaming, impolite, rude or unkind.
It's a fact that a form of communication such as a forum is a much harder medium to express the nuances of your message and as such people often come across as way more abrupt than they normally would.
In short, yes people should play nice but other people need not to be overly sensitive too.
good point m8.
as for the allience forum their only main charectors(who are in an allience) should be able to post.
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mak'shar Karrde
you add nothing to the debate at all.
Actually, I did. I replied to the OP's points in a separate post, before the one you quoted.
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Antaris Xenal
Gallente
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:30:00 -
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/SIGNED! Way to many flames on these boards imo! If someone doesn't want to pvp and stay in empire then so be it!. Props to Knightcrawler :)
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Khatred
OMG I can post in the CAOD section now
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:49:00 -
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From my point of view, looking only at some sections of the forums (like General Discussion, Ships and Modules) Eve has the worst community I have ever witnessed in a mmorpg. Yeah, that means worst than the WoW forums community.
However in game it's another thing, Eve has roughly the same amount of idiots and decent guys as any other mmorpg.
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Cheese Baron
Gallente
Pound Of Cheese
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
Eve is a clan-based PVP sandbox.
Incorrect. If that were true there'd be no NPC's, missions, asteroids, stations, market, skills, or story. You'd just respawn at a random location in a fully fitted ship ready to run around a corner and frag or be fragged. Eve my friend is not a first person shooter... Originally by: Cipher7
War, Piracy, Crime. That's what Eve is all about.
Only for closed-minded social degenerates with no imagination. Originally by: Cipher7
When people come in here and say they don't want War Piracy and Crime, it's like buying FIFA Soccer and asking why theres so much Soccer.
See point 2. Originally by: Cipher7
Maybe you like certain aspects of Eve and hate other aspects. That's fine.
Then why are you still ranting? If you agree that we disagree then there is no more argument... Originally by: Cipher7
The important thing is that you make the positives outweigh the negatives.
Playing the game without being harrassed if you don't want it is a positive. Being ganked by social rejects that have nothing better to do than hunt peaceful civilians is a negative. You just made a great argument against your own point... Originally by: Cipher7
First off pull your pants up like a big boy, dry your eye, and close your mouth.
Ignorant rhetoric.... Originally by: Cipher7
Instead of whining about "waaaah griefers" just ask advice on what to do.
From what I see he already knows what to do. Originally by: Cipher7
First off. Every corp has to know how to defend itself.
Again, he seems to be doing that quite well. Deny evil the battle and you have won ten-fold. Originally by: Cipher7
If the CEO has no PVP experience or is not inclined to learn very quickly, then your corp is up the creek from the word GO.
This made me LOL! Originally by: Cipher7
Every business in Eve has to deal with Loss.
On this we agree. However, that loss will not be at the hands of "OMFGBBQKTHX I r Teh L337zorZ DIE nUb" morons. Originally by: Cipher7
You mine 100 mil a week
You lose 10 mil to pirates
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Net gain : 90 mil
That's Eve math.
But people have a tendency to whine about the 10 they lost.
Not if it's lost to a legitimate source. Piracy and war dec'ing ganktards are not legitimate sources. Originally by: Cipher7
Every corner grocery store has a security alarm. Every business has insurance. Every nighclub has bouncers.
And every state has prisons and insane asylums for psychotics. If EVE had them too then there would be no problem.
And now for the real question. Why don't you just go fight people that want to fight back? Does it give you some kind of sick pleasure to war dec and kill people that want no part of your silly crap? If that's true then I'm embarrassed that we are of the same species.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
When you buy FIFA Soccer for Playstation, you expect to be playing soccer.
Eve is a clan-based PVP sandbox.
Unless you misread E-V-E for P-V-P, only the first part of what I quoted is true.
Suppose FIFA Soccer was called 'Sports' and featured soccer, baseball, basketball and tennis. How many of you would say it is a soccer game because it revolves around a ball?
"There is many ways you can use the ball, but it is in fact a soccer game..."
I will be the first to admit that human competition is the biggest part of Eve, but to exclude all other elements is just plain ignorance.
But that is besides the original topic. I agree with the OP.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 09/10/2006 18:15:34
Wow. So many posts in this thread already of the very type the OP was talking about. How sad.
edit: And the really sad thing is some of the people doing it will read that and think I'm not talking about their posts. 
Fortunately there's still a great many good posts, good threads, and good forum folks here. It's just hard to see sometimes amidst the chaff.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:17:00 -
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If people would stop to look at the reason for flames rather than jump in all the sudden and fuel it things would probably go better. This is the main problem really. Someone says something, person flames justly, 20 people flame each other over random stuff until the original reason is lost.
Of course saying this is only true of the respondants is just plain stupid. Take the OP's example. The person basically posted on the forums to say "Declare war on me and I'll run away and hide!" Of course he is going to get flamed! You'd have to be stupid to defend that type of statement. It is one thing to disagree with a game feature. It is another to flame a person who threatened you and flat out say you will do something that is generally considered lame (if not illegal). That is just flamebait, period. It's like the kid that teases the dog because the dog is behind the fence. Of course you are gonna get bit when the dog finds a way to get you. The OP in that subject would have been better off keeping quiet. All they did was encourage the action they were supposedly trying to prevent.
The majority of the flaming going on in the forums is completely understandable also. Most of it stems from a person (generally new) complaining about and/or asking for a change to a feature/action that has been used by others for months/years. Of course people will feel strongly about this subject. Of course they will flame because they want to make sure the developers see just as strong a counter-response and supress future demands for a change. The last thing they want is for more people to ask for the same change. Whether this is the right way for things to be handled is not really relivent considering it is human nature. Go into any game forum and ask for a major change and see the response.
Last point I'll make is this isn't limited to any one group. Sure the majority of it is carebears asking for less PVP and getting flamed, but if I make a thread demanding mission running be eliminated or all ore in high-sec be taken away I will be flamed by just as many carebears. It's quite simple, ask for a change to things people like/enjoy and they will respond emotionally. Attack a person and they will respond emotionally. These are the general themes of General Discussion. Try reading some of the other forums or avoiding subjects along these themes.
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Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cheese Baron
Playing the game without being harrassed if you don't want it is a positive. Being ganked by social rejects that have nothing better to do than hunt peaceful civilians is a negative. You just made a great argument against your own point...
peaceful civilians?? you must be joking ... everyday i see hundreds of so called "peaceful civilians" littering the environment all over EVE with their jettisoned cans. everyday those "peaceful civilians" destroy the ecological equilibrium in the starsystems by excavating asteroids 'til they disappear. everyday i see those "peaceful civilians" reaching to the weapons to destroy alternative business models disliked by the regional authorities - killing dozens of innocents who fly under the banner of guristas, serpentis and so on. THERE ARE NO PEACEFUL CIVILIANS IN EVE!
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Originally by: Cipher7
You mine 100 mil a week
You lose 10 mil to pirates
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Net gain : 90 mil
That's Eve math.
But people have a tendency to whine about the 10 they lost.
Not if it's lost to a legitimate source. Piracy and war dec'ing ganktards are not legitimate sources.
so only own stupidity is a legitimate reason to lose money?
incoming transmission "hereby i declare all those who enter lowsec and expect to be safe as stupid." transmission end ... have fun 
(to avoid flames - all i want to say is: piracy IS legitimate)
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Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Khatred
From my point of view, looking only at some sections of the forums (like General Discussion, Ships and Modules) Eve has the worst community I have ever witnessed in a mmorpg.
I have to politly disagree here. I have not seen any section of these forums that come close to the cesspool that are the WoW forums. I played WoW from the time it came out to August of this year. I witnessed the WoW forums degenerate. The Eve forums are not even close to the amount of animosity displayed on the first days of the WoW forums.
Now back to what the OP is saying. If you have a legit answer for someones questions then by all means post. But if all you are going to do is flame em and tell em how stupid and idiotic they are then I would advise not to post cause all you come across has is a jackass moron.
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loony thezoon
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:26:00 -
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I tend to either answer a question as well as I can, or flame hard. This depends on the attitude of the poster.
This is eve. Not any other mmorpg. Its not like any other game classified as such.
The OP is an idiot, but I will not flame harder because I know where to find him ingame. 
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Laocoon
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cheese Baron
Originally by: Cipher7
War, Piracy, Crime. That's what Eve is all about.
Only for closed-minded social degenerates with no imagination.
Hmm. /me points at GHSC. close-minded social degenrates with no imagination? lol!
ibtl by the way. This is a flamefest 
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Jarem Alistor
Minmatar
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula
If people would stop to look at the reason for flames rather than jump in all the sudden and fuel it things would probably go better. This is the main problem really. Someone says something, person flames justly, 20 people flame each other over random stuff until the original reason is lost.
Of course saying this is only true of the respondants is just plain stupid. Take the OP's example. The person basically posted on the forums to say "Declare war on me and I'll run away and hide!" Of course he is going to get flamed! You'd have to be stupid to defend that type of statement. It is one thing to disagree with a game feature. It is another to flame a person who threatened you and flat out say you will do something that is generally considered lame (if not illegal). That is just flamebait, period. It's like the kid that teases the dog because the dog is behind the fence. Of course you are gonna get bit when the dog finds a way to get you. The OP in that subject would have been better off keeping quiet. All they did was encourage the action they were supposedly trying to prevent.
The majority of the flaming going on in the forums is completely understandable also. Most of it stems from a person (generally new) complaining about and/or asking for a change to a feature/action that has been used by others for months/years. Of course people will feel strongly about this subject. Of course they will flame because they want to make sure the developers see just as strong a counter-response and supress future demands for a change. The last thing they want is for more people to ask for the same change. Whether this is the right way for things to be handled is not really relivent considering it is human nature. Go into any game forum and ask for a major change and see the response.
Last point I'll make is this isn't limited to any one group. Sure the majority of it is carebears asking for less PVP and getting flamed, but if I make a thread demanding mission running be eliminated or all ore in high-sec be taken away I will be flamed by just as many carebears. It's quite simple, ask for a change to things people like/enjoy and they will respond emotionally. Attack a person and they will respond emotionally. These are the general themes of General Discussion. Try reading some of the other forums or avoiding subjects along these themes.
I am not responding to any part of this post aside from the bolded section.
And to that I'm only asking this question: When does it become to much? When does resisting any and all change whatsoever simply because the system as it stands currently is something that you've adapted to, become a bad thing?
I understand that that's not quite what you mean however I will say that I've seen a few posts here and there which deride just about any idea simply because it's "different."
So when and where should the line be drawn?
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:48:00 -
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There is a whole forum that seems to survive relatively peacefully based on suggestions for changes to the game.
Like I said though I'm not saying whether it is right or wrong. Asking for major changes to game mechanics that are generally accepted or asking to be protected because you disagree with feature that has been there for years will get you flamed. This should not be a suprise to anyone.
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
It's sad that half the responses in the thread are not discussing the main issues that the OP raised about courtesy and abuse on the forums, but choosing instead to rehash the game mechanics debate.
That alone supports his points quite well I think.
People's obsession with being rules lawyers is a big part of why they are often so rude to one another.
The majority of flames are for idiots who can't be bothered actually find out what the game is all about, and instead whine about making the game into whatever their personal preferences might be.
90% of the whines on this forum are all about how upset someone gets when they get shot at.
At that point, the only answers possible are:
a) change your attitude, because Eve will never be about fluffy bunnies picking flowers till they have more flowers than the other fluffy bunnies.
b) Go away and play another game.
How hard is this to understand?
The people who are flamed are genuine halfwits.
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Lord Frost
Minmatar
The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:58:00 -
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Me thinks the point of his topic wasn't about the example he made on a corp disbanding. Its obvious he's 100% correct in the views of this community. I salute him for such a post and for dealing with it for so long.
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Vagabundos
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: KnightCrawler
I spend a lot of my time reading these forums and almost every time I see a new person make a post on these forums asking for help or trying to figure something out that person is trolled, flamed, and mocked.
Every time I see someone trolled and flamed I bite my tongue, scared that if I try and help il be dragged down to but I had enough of it.
My final straw was the post I read yesterday about how a ceo wanted to dispand his corp that was war dec'd, so that his corp wouldnt have to pvp. He was compeletely flamed and trash talked.
You know what, He pays the monthly fee, let him play how he chooses, if he doesnt want to pvp that his damn choice. I actualy think he deserved props for being new and figuring out how to manipulate the game mechanics in his favor without breaking the rules so that he didnt have to pvp after being war dec'd and that the corp that war dec'd him just lost million of isk to fight a corp that doesnt exist.
Not everyone is a eve vet. How would you like if it was your first day in eve and you were all excited and decided to make your first forums post, and then the embaressment
of getting trashed by the community.
This forum community has gotten to the point where a large majority of the people are nothing short of abusive.
There is a simple saying: "If you have nothing nice to say, Don't say anything at all".
I know there are a few of us who make an effort to help by posting positive and constructive comments but sadly they are usualy overshadowed by forum trolls.
I have been watching this community get worse and worse since I started eve a few years ago.
Im tired of keeping quiet. If you want to flame me for saying this or put me down with stupid comments so be it. Atleast I had enough courage to speak up and I know I am in the right.
Let us get this straight you are whining because a whiner/exploiter got a way of circumventing a game play issue(wars)?
"Atleast I had enough courage to speak up and I know I am in the right."
If you know you are right why dont you keep your opinion and dont post here?Because forums are usually to discuss stuff right?
He asked a dumb question in a PVP game he got flamed ,well too bad mate maybe if he posted saying he needead some help people would lend him a hand .
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2006.10.09 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Actually, by the letter of the Eve rules, disbanding a corp to avoid pvp with the intention to keep it together outside of corp mechanics or to reform it under another name is not allowed.
I'd agree that avoidance of the war system liek that is pretty damn lame. On the other hand, the abuse of the same system that often leads to this evasive behaviour is just as lame.
Anyway, I agree that people could be nicer to those asking for help. It's just that most questions here don't seem to end in quetion marks, but take the form of assertions about 'wrong' game mechanics or about other players.
Reforming it a couple of months down the line is ok?
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Posted - 2006.10.09 19:04:00 -
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From Eve Player Guide: Quote:
Players that enjoy the freedom and opportunities for creative thinking an open-ended game offers have become mesmerized by EVE, while others that depend on structured, repetitive game style have not. For this reason we don't contend that EVE is for everyone, but for those that enjoy a bit more of a challenge.
What really defines Eve is its open-endedness. There is no real structure to the game by design, and I would say that the vast majority of the people who stick with the game enjoy that aspect. So, when you get people coming on the forums complaining that they can't play Eve the way that want to play Eve because of other players interfering with their game play style it really angers alot of the Eve players since it goes completely against the Eve philosophy.
Eve is not for everyone, and perhaps those who can't adjust to the Eve style would be better off playing a different game. The cries of "go play WoW" are about as helpful as you will ever get for someone who is trying to adapt the game to suit their play style instead of adapting their play style to suit the game.
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2006.10.09 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: loony thezoon
Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
It's sad that half the responses in the thread are not discussing the main issues that the OP raised about courtesy and abuse on the forums, but choosing instead to rehash the game mechanics debate.
That alone supports his points quite well I think.
People's obsession with being rules lawyers is a big part of why they are often so rude to one another.
The majority of flames are for idiots who can't be bothered actually find out what the game is all about, and instead whine about making the game into whatever their personal preferences might be.
90% of the whines on this forum are all about how upset someone gets when they get shot at.
At that point, the only answers possible are:
a) change your attitude, because Eve will never be about fluffy bunnies picking flowers till they have more flowers than the other fluffy bunnies.
b) Go away and play another game.
How hard is this to understand?
The people who are flamed are genuine halfwits.
Yeah, I'm not at all sure why you quoted my post as a prelude to your comments since you don't appear to have been responding to me directly.
However, it's not the basis upon which people are contradicted on these forums that is in question, IMO, but rather the WAY in which people are attacked.
By your own admission, such people ("idiots"/"halfwits") do not understand the game. It *is* possible to put 'em straight without making 'em want to quit.
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Gloria Stitz
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Posted - 2006.10.09 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Azerrad InExile
What really defines Eve is its open-endedness. There is no real structure to the game by design, and I would say that the vast majority of the people who stick with the game enjoy that aspect. So, when you get people coming on the forums complaining that they can't play Eve the way that want to play Eve because of other players interfering with their game play style it really angers alot of the Eve players since it goes completely against the Eve philosophy.
Eve is not for everyone, and perhaps those who can't adjust to the Eve style would be better off playing a different game. The cries of "go play WoW" are about as helpful as you will ever get for someone who is trying to adapt the game to suit their play style instead of adapting their play style to suit the game.
QFT
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Cailais
Amarr
THE SEFRIM INSTITUTE
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Posted - 2006.10.09 19:12:00 -
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Let us get this straight you are whining because a whiner/exploiter got a way of circumventing a game play issue(wars)?
"Atleast I had enough courage to speak up and I know I am in the right."
If you know you are right why dont you keep your opinion and dont post here?Because forums are usually to discuss stuff right?
He asked a dumb question in a PVP game he got flamed ,well too bad mate maybe if he posted saying he needead some help people would lend him a hand ".
I think the OP was actually decrying the nature of typical forum responses and simply used this an example. I agree, the automaticaly hostile nature of many responses to threads (some of whom clearly havn't bothered to read the OP or the thread in detail) is a tragedy. I read that post the OP refers to, what i was most dissapointed by was not the nature of the post, or the arguments against it but the manner or tone in which they were conveyed and the fact that they came from "vets" who previously I had considerable respect for. Not any more.
C.
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loony thezoon
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Posted - 2006.10.09 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
Originally by: loony thezoon
Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
It's sad that half the responses in the thread are not discussing the main issues that the OP raised about courtesy and abuse on the forums, but choosing instead to rehash the game mechanics debate.
That alone supports his points quite well I think.
People's obsession with being rules lawyers is a big part of why they are often so rude to one another.
The majority of flames are for idiots who can't be bothered actually find out what the game is all about, and instead whine about making the game into whatever their personal preferences might be.
90% of the whines on this forum are all about how upset someone gets when they get shot at.
At that point, the only answers possible are:
a) change your attitude, because Eve will never be about fluffy bunnies picking flowers till they have more flowers than the other fluffy bunnies.
b) Go away and play another game.
How hard is this to understand?
The people who are flamed are genuine halfwits.
Yeah, I'm not at all sure why you quoted my post as a prelude to your comments since you don't appear to have been responding to me directly.
However, it's not the basis upon which people are contradicted on these forums that is in question, IMO, but rather the WAY in which people are attacked.
By your own admission, such people ("idiots"/"halfwits") do not understand the game. It *is* possible to put 'em straight without making 'em want to quit.
Apologies, it was a straight answer to the OP, don't know how I managed to quote you there.
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