You just created a new 'Rock, Paper, Scissors'.. They all cancel another out.

My advice to new players... Either buy a 70m+ sp toon or don't play. The skill gap is too broad and will never be bridged.

Stay away from Coalition warfare, you will hate the game and become bored of being told what to do and not given a reason for it.

That's some pretty sad advice. You can have a lot of fun with low SP chars, and the gap isn't really that big if you have a focused skill plan for the things you plan to use the character for.

On this character I have 82 million SP, but whenever I undock in a ship, I only get to utilize a small fraction of those SP.

If you are planning to stay playing the best thing you can do is buy a toon which has all your core skills done, then you can focus on learning how to fly the ships without getting bored and frustrated of never getting any kills.

Yeah why bother learning the basics when you can drop -ú30--ú50 into a game that you dont know jack about and will get frustrated because there's no "winning" at all and then quit before 6 months are up?

Genius

it does get a bit frustrating playing a game for a few months and just losing everything and never getting a kill...

i bought a toon and didnt quit after 6months and im sure alot of others have done the same...

im also sure alot have quit because veterans just own them constantly and skills are an issue.

so whats your point?

I am still terrible at eve and player skill is very important but sp plays a big part in it also in regards to tank and dps and what you can and cant fit on a ship, i started getting kills on day 1 of owning a higher sp toon compared to a 1/150 kill death ratio on a low sp toon. being able to fly a variety of ships within nullsecs ever changing doctrines is also a bonus.

If you are planning to stay playing the best thing you can do is buy a toon which has all your core skills done, then you can focus on learning how to fly the ships without getting bored and frustrated of never getting any kills.

You mean apart from where I said you should learn how to play the game and how those skills work instead of playing to lose even more ships and have less fun?

I thought that point was exactly what I said.

Something you apparently think is worth mocking, given what you said before your redundant question.

But that is going to depend on the kind of person you are. Some folks want to get into the thick of it and fighting, and are going to balk at having to skill up to a certain level. For those sorts of players, buying a character is probably the best route.

But, I for one, am a player who likes to build from scratch, who gets fulfillment from achieving milestones and unlocking new avenues of gameplay. For me, buying a character scythes out a huge chunk of what gives me enjoyment. If I could hop into a HAC on day one, it wouldn't have given me half the thrill that my first months in a Zealot gave me when I finally knuckled down and squared away Amarr Cruiser 5 so I could fly in the AHAC fleets. Likewise, my Revelation was indeed a revelation when I was finally able to sit in one, and I still get a little smile when I undock it because I earned it.

Maybe I'm a little masochistic in that regard, but it is how I get my enjoyment. After all, I skilled up my Supercarrier alt from scratch when the general advice is to buy those kind of alts, but there was no way I wanted someone else to name my Supercarrier pilot. It took two years, but since it took me that long to gather the funds (I am easily distracted by Pirate Battleships), in the end it didn't matter (I honestly don't know whether using the money I had paid on sub for the second account for PLEX would have bought me a character suitable to fly it).

So, to me this falls in the category of not telling newbies they have to do something. Depending on the player, the advice to buy a character might equally rescue them from a part of the game they loathe, or drive any sense of enjoyment out of the game for them. Offer the alternative, don't paint it a must-do.

are you saying i should read up on how skills affect everything and how to fly a ship instead of going out and actually playing the game?

isnt that a good thing that people will spend money and play the game doing/learning pvp instead of carebearing for 3 years then complaining they know nothing about pvp when they die to wardecs and gankers, or playing missions for years with no interaction and eventually getting bored and leaving.

ive done the money grinding in alot of games and it gets very boring, i didnt want to come to a new game and be forced to constantly try to make money to survive so the way i see it is if -ú30 can provide me with some entertainment then why not.

was just my opinion, i bought a char and was the best thing i done in this game and i did learn alot dying 150 times before getting a kill, but i also learned alot being in a good corp with good players and learning from them and flying a wider variety of ships

No, Im saying the opposite; learn by doing.


Why would you do industry if you wanted to PVP? Surely, learning to do the thing you want should be what you concentrate on? Though if you face gankers for three years and learn nopthing about PVP you are doing something wrong.


I cant argue to the legality of it, CCP says its fine. Im sayign that its not advice I would give to a new player (the topic of the thread) because in EvE A bought-in character is worthless unless you know how to use it.


I think you being in a good corp with good players is far far afar more important than how much money you drop on some soulless, no-history no-story toon.

well im just saying industry as a few i joined with went to do that to make money then come to pvp later when they have the skills and the isk to compete (but the player skill in pvp wasnt enough to compete) because isk is hard to make if you have no interest in grinding and just want to shoot people, especially when you lose so many ships n lowsec and null

sorry if its bad advice but after my 150 deaths over the time i played then to 4mil sp i did have a basic grip of the game and losing so much made me learn something everytime i lost a ship, i decided this was the game i wanted to play, buying a new character helped me out alot and made my life easier for many things, but that may just be because where i am and what was required to do things, i am still pretty terrible at eve and the char has only given me a boost in skills the corp i am in has given me alot of my player skills so yes the corp plays an even bigger part in my pvp life and everything i lose i still learn from.

What are your general bits of advice for new players?

What are your general bits of advice for new players?