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Davis TetrisKing The Vendunari End of Life 70	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:17:02 - [1] - Quote I'm talking about overall advice on approaching the game. I think a lot of other games rely on constant forward progress to motivate players, but I don't think this translates well to eve, where going backwards (losing ships etc) is a completely normal part of the game. Here are some of my general pieces of advice for anyone playing eve: Don't play to make isk Eve has so many different things to offer that it is easy to get caught up in the isk grind (mining and missions) and miss the fun. Try different things, even (and especially) things that don't seem to earn much isk or lose isk. This is where you find the truly fun parts of eve. Sure sometimes you'll need to work for a bit of isk to pay for ships, but most of the time if you try out new things the isk will slowly come in while you're playing the game. Risk dying This might sound like it's in conflict with the point above, but they actually go hand in hand. If you don't focus on isk, it doesn't feel like that much of a loss when you lose a ship. Losing ships is normal. It's great if you're trying something new, learning a new part of the game and getting out there and involved. The main pull of this game for me is the feeling you get when you put your ship on the line to try something out. This won't happen sitting safely in NPC corps mining and missioning. Try new things! Don't fly what you can't afford This means different things for different people. For some this means have enough isk in your wallet to replace what you're flying. To me it doesn't. To me it means fly what you are willing to lose. I'll sometimes fly 300mil isk ships with only 50mil in my wallet. If I lose that ship there is always another ship to fly. I can always buy a 20mil ship and play with that while slowly watching the isk come in for the next ship. Quite often you'll find if you're just playing the game and not grinding isk, the ship will pay itself back. If it doesn't and you lose it, you're next ship might pay for itself 10 times over, who knows. Get involved in communities Look for friendly chat channels in your timezone, find groups of people to play with (you don't have to join a corp, there are groups that run events and fleets for anyone). You can play eve solo, but it limits what you can do and other players are far and away the best source of both information and fun (often called 'content' by older eve players). Join up with people and do stuff, even if it doesn't seem like the best way to make isk, even if it means you might die. Risk getting scammed and killed, it might hurt a bit when you lose a ship or two, but in the long run you'll find great people to play with and possibilities will continue to open up. And trust me, it never takes long to find an experienced player willing to throw a few million isk your way to help you get started. Make the most of online resources There are many online resources containing ridiculous amounts of information on eve. One of the best ones is the eve-uni wiki. It has heaps of well presented information. Eve-central is a great market tool for looking up prices etc. Kill boards can be great for looking up other players kills etc to get an idea of where they usually play and if they're a threat to you. Map sites give you great information on dangerous areas of space or looking up info on Wormholes. What are your general bits of advice for new players?
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 22981	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:18:18 - [2] - Quote Don't mine. Rush to danger, wind up nowhere Sabriz for CSM go go go
The Greenmachine Greenmachine Green's Bicycle Shop 105	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:20:11 - [3] - Quote its the things the tutorials don't tell you, but what your own curiosity can find that makes the good iskies
JackknifedII The Congregation 74	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:25:19 - [4] - Quote The first question I ask anyone before they join my corp: Do you get pissed off when you die? The advice I would give is remembering that losing ships is part of the game. And if you can't handle that, then you won't enjoy eve much. Minmatar....we are generally unpleasant to be around....
Nate Hill The Scope Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:34:04 - [5] - Quote Join New Order.
corebloodbrothers Volition Cult The Volition Cult 1177	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:43:10 - [6] - Quote Davis TetrisKing wrote: I'm talking about overall advice on approaching the game. I think a lot of other games rely on constant forward progress to motivate players, but I don't think this translates well to eve, where going backwards (losing ships etc) is a completely normal part of the game. Here are some of my general pieces of advice for anyone playing eve: Don't play to make isk Eve has so many different things to offer that it is easy to get caught up in the isk grind (mining and missions) and miss the fun. Try different things, even (and especially) things that don't seem to earn much isk or lose isk. This is where you find the truly fun parts of eve. Sure sometimes you'll need to work for a bit of isk to pay for ships, but most of the time if you try out new things the isk will slowly come in while you're playing the game. Risk dying This might sound like it's in conflict with the point above, but they actually go hand in hand. If you don't focus on isk, it doesn't feel like that much of a loss when you lose a ship. Losing ships is normal. It's great if you're trying something new, learning a new part of the game and getting out there and involved. The main pull of this game for me is the feeling you get when you put your ship on the line to try something out. This won't happen sitting safely in NPC corps mining and missioning. Try new things! Don't fly what you can't afford This means different things for different people. For some this means have enough isk in your wallet to replace what you're flying. To me it doesn't. To me it means fly what you are willing to lose. I'll sometimes fly 300mil isk ships with only 50mil in my wallet. If I lose that ship there is always another ship to fly. I can always buy a 20mil ship and play with that while slowly watching the isk come in for the next ship. Quite often you'll find if you're just playing the game and not grinding isk, the ship will pay itself back. If it doesn't and you lose it, you're next ship might pay for itself 10 times over, who knows. Get involved in communities Look for friendly chat channels in your timezone, find groups of people to play with (you don't have to join a corp, there are groups that run events and fleets for anyone). You can play eve solo, but it limits what you can do and other players are far and away the best source of both information and fun (often called 'content' by older eve players). Join up with people and do stuff, even if it doesn't seem like the best way to make isk, even if it means you might die. Risk getting scammed and killed, it might hurt a bit when you lose a ship or two, but in the long run you'll find great people to play with and possibilities will continue to open up. And trust me, it never takes long to find an experienced player willing to throw a few million isk your way to help you get started. Make the most of online resources There are many online resources containing ridiculous amounts of information on eve. One of the best ones is the eve-uni wiki. It has heaps of well presented information. Eve-central is a great market tool for looking up prices etc. Kill boards can be great for looking up other players kills etc to get an idea of where they usually play and if they're a threat to you. Map sites give you great information on dangerous areas of space or looking up info on Wormholes. What are your general bits of advice for new players? + 1 might add, reach out to other new players.
Red Teufel Mafia Redux Feign Disorder 429	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:44:10 - [7] - Quote * Simmer down and take your time * Join a player corporation that is active in your TZ. * Don't go to Null just yet wait for sov revamp * Explore new ways of making isk, don't get burnt out running lvl4s
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 30422	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:52:53 - [8] - Quote EVE will probably be awesome in five years when you finally understand everything. Also start second and third mains. Don't post on the forums, devs don't read it. Send GMs your questions with support tickets. Don't be silent.
Davis TetrisKing The Vendunari End of Life 71	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:55:22 - [9] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: EVE will probably be awesome in five years when you finally understand everything. Also start second and third mains. Rofl. It's funny cause it's true. *cries internally
Ditero Endashi Protomonolithic 5	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:56:05 - [10] - Quote Unless you already have no RL, dont play EVE
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 11906	Posted - 2015.02.24 12:57:46 - [11] - Quote If you're going to play EVE after a few drinks, never open a trade window. And in a similar vein... Don't take losses personally. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Davis TetrisKing The Vendunari End of Life 71	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:00:08 - [12] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If you're going to play EVE after a few drinks, never open a trade window. And in a similar vein... Don't take losses personally. Don't take losses personally. I like that one.
Anthar Thebess 885	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:04:24 - [13] - Quote Don't Mine! Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Khan Wrenth Hedion University Amarr Empire 112	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:11:18 - [14] - Quote Diversify. Even if you don't think you'll like a particular racial line of ships or weapons, do some basic skilling in them anyway. Try them out. You might be surprised, and you'll be happy you at least tried and found out for sure whether or not you want to go a particular direction. Worst case scenario: you're certain you don't like a ship/weapon/style. Best case scenario: you found another way to enjoy EVE. Second, understand that different ships are flown different ways. If you find a ship you really like, find out everything you can about it. Research fits, understand the context of where those fits are meant to be used. Understand the environment around you, etc. Then, when you fully understand how and why the ship works, do EVERYTHING in your power to break the mold and create truly freakish fits. Your enemy will never see it coming. Or at the very least, it'll be a fun encounter for you both and you'll have an interesting lossmail. Speaking of which, no, I won't tell you why I had a cargohold full of female exotic dances and Fedos. HTFU.-á Adapt or die.-á Beware the falcon punch.
Sexy Cakes Have A Seat 907	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:12:36 - [15] - Quote Leave these forums; never to return. Not today spaghetti.
Kestral Anneto Umbra-Domini SpaceMonkey's Alliance 51	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:17:05 - [16] - Quote 1. Get into a player run corp ASAP. 2. Learn basic PVP in frigates, as they are throw away. 3. get an alt for ISK making, be it mining, hauling, production, whatever. 4. Focus on basic skills first, powergrid, cpu, cap and tank before you start training for bigger and better things, as when you get to that level, a better foundation will stand you in good stead. 5. Experiment to find out what you like doing, no point playing a game when it feels like a chore just to log in. 6. Losses happen, dont take it to heart, throw a GF in local and learn from it, aim to be the one doing the killing one day. 7. In PVP, find your niche, if you want to do Ewar, do Ewar, if you want to do Logi, do Logi, dont let other people dictate to you on how to play, EvE is YOUR game. 8. Try to get experience in small scale PVP, big fleets are all well and good, but you don't want to fall into the trap of being a professional F1 pusher. 9. Learn to be twitchy, don't trust anyone completely until you have known them for a while, even then still be cautious. 10. Learn to use programs like EFT and EvEMon, they are invaluable, but dont trust them to much, especially EFT, they are only indicaters.
Yarda Black Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 565	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:17:12 - [17] - Quote Deal with the fact that you will lose a ship every now and then. Usually because you did something stupid. You will experience this throughout your entire EVE career. With that you should be good to go
Lachesiss nomnomnom MOAR BABIES The Pursuit of Happiness 260	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:25:31 - [18] - Quote REMEMBER!!! Its only pixels Fly Safe o/ On the third day after your birth myself and my sister's will come to you and decide your fate.
Dirk Magnum KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 406	Posted - 2015.02.24 13:59:55 - [19] - Quote If you ever find yourself asking "why did that player just do X to me?", go and do that thing to another player. The answer you seek may be there. Bad life advice, but great advice in-game. Eve is like a zen journey, where enlightenment is reached when you can do (or have done to you) whatever you want without being a mad about it. Again, terrible life advice but good advice for how to play the game. This isn't real life, this is just fantasy. Like my place in Cabo where Freddie is still alive. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2135	Posted - 2015.02.24 14:02:45 - [20] - Quote As much as I hate saying it because I think everything should be 'viable' don't start mining. You can go mining later when you know what you are doing. Just don't start out as a miner and rely on that to get anything done. Don't try to PLEX your account from day one. It will suck all the fun out of the game. There, those two things. Otherwise, talk to people, get involved, don't play solo =P
Jishi Padecain Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2015.02.24 14:12:24 - [21] - Quote "Don't come to General Discussion looking for a shoulder to cry on. We do not care."
Diemos Hiaraki Perkone Caldari State 15	Posted - 2015.02.24 14:38:54 - [22] - Quote I usually point new players to Brave or Eve uni. Showing them this video I think is pretty useful too to keep them motivated when the usual 'how do I compete with vets with tons of skillpoints?' question comes up.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 144	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:02:32 - [23] - Quote Mining is great .... gas mining in wormholes I mean I think above there was a great advice, try things somebody did to you our you saw others doing (in game, videos). IMO multiple chars/accounts are not necessary to enjoy the game ... I'm happy with Tipa being a singleton , there are only few things you can't do solo or in team of real players. I'm my own NPC alt.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9884	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:05:18 - [24] - Quote Jishi Padecain wrote: "Don't come to General Discussion looking for a shoulder to cry on. We do not care." Nice. One correction though: Jishi Padecain wrote: "Don't come to EVE ONLINE looking for a shoulder to cry on. We do not care."
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9884	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:11:47 - [25] - Quote As for advice. Mine is the same in game as it is out of game: KNOW YOURSELF and be honest about it. If the game isn't for you, quit, don't keep trying to fit a square peg into a round hole then use that as an excuse to be mad at round holes (when the problem is really the guy holding the square peg lol). If you find the game is for you, great, keep going, but remember your experience is what YOU make it, not what others (ccp, or players) make it for you. Take responsibility for your failures faster than you take credit for your successes and you will both fail less and succeed more. (People who immediately blame others for their failures, in a fail bid to protect their fragile egos, NEVER understand this point, or how they reinforce their own failures but not identifying the source of fail, which is almost always 'yourself'). And don't believe that lie about 'trust no one'. Learn who to turst....then keep an eye on them while you're trusting them
J'Poll Green Skull LLC 5866	Posted - 2015.02.24 15:35:43 - [26] - Quote Don't listen to me. If you do listen to me, I'm not in any way responsible for your actions. I warned you up front to not listen to me Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Aladar Dangerface Absolutely Certain 146	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:15:40 - [27] - Quote Run away, while you still can!!!!!!! I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6305	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:25:31 - [28] - Quote Two things I would add: Don't get addicted to your own kill board. Put the Ritalin down. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Grath Telkin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 2694	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:33:20 - [29] - Quote Dont be scared to give out your api keys, learn how they function and what they're for, its not your bank account details, they can't get to any of your stuff with it or control your account in any way with it. Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 107	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:46:36 - [30] - Quote don't be a ****, you'll make friends. friends = most valuable commodity in new eden
Bel Tika Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 315	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:48:25 - [31] - Quote Dont listen to anyone that says "your playing the game wrong", if your enjoying what your doing your playing right
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 735	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:48:47 - [32] - Quote Uninstall and go play your other short attention span instant respawn shooter games, EVE isn't for you. Unless you have patience, this is more like the video games when your dad was your age when it wasn't about getting kill streaks and wanking off to make believe scoreboards while being an ***** about it. When you lose, it hurts....not your pathetic public stats at slightly over 50% (after awhile, being above 50% means you are suprisingly average like everyone else who is above 50% ) but the loss from acquiring the isk to pay for the ship and knowledge of how you Fked up. Also, its a game ment to have fun. Don't trust anyone, don't fly what you cannot replace easily, and its not real life so don't take it personally while also keeping all your other information private (cause information hurts in EVE, don't tell anyone your alts)
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 978	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:50:49 - [33] - Quote 1 ) Forget about Battleships 2) Seriously. Forget about Battleships. 3) Ratting gives you ISK, scales to ability and gives you combat skills. 4) Join a long and estabilished alliance. Look for one that fits your personality. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 30474	Posted - 2015.02.24 16:59:24 - [34] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Two things I would add: Don't get addicted to your own kill board. Put the Ritalin down. wait, i agree with the ritalin part, but only in order to pick up the adderall. is that what you meant too? Don't post on the forums, devs don't read it. Send GMs your questions with support tickets. Don't be silent.
Lfod Shi Lfod's Ratting and Salvage 230	Posted - 2015.02.24 17:21:55 - [35] - Quote As soon as possible, fly a loop around hi sec just to prove to yourself that you won't be immediately killed. Also... the sky changes and it's really really cool. GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
Nalia White Tencus 81	Posted - 2015.02.24 17:26:29 - [36] - Quote always be nice to other fellow players (and i don't mean don't shoot em) and if they are not nice to you (no, killing you ingame doesn't count, i mean chat wise) then just ignore them.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6306	Posted - 2015.02.24 17:37:06 - [37] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Two things I would add: Don't get addicted to your own kill board. Put the Ritalin down. wait, i agree with the ritalin part, but only in order to pick up the adderall. is that what you meant too? I believe that the min-maxer scourge of online gaming is connected to Ritalin use. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Chance Ravinne WiNGSPAN Delivery Services 102	Posted - 2015.02.24 17:38:02 - [38] - Quote If someone tells you you don't have the SP to be useful, ignore them. If someone tells you you are wasting ISK, ignore them. You do not need anyone's permission to have fun in EVE. If you can't beat them, waste their time and ISK. 90% of EVE players are terrible regardless of SP so be skeptical of good advice. You've just read another awesome post by Chance Ravinne, CEO of EVE's #1 torpedo delivery service. Watch our misadventures on my YouTube channel: WINGSPANTT
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5173	Posted - 2015.02.24 17:47:32 - [39] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Don't mine. Edit: I'll qualify this further. The amount of training time and skill points you accumulate will be the most inefficient investment you can make in terms of ISK per hour. If you're getting into industry it will be cheaper for you to buy the minerals you need (in the formula of time being money). Skill points acquired for mining does not translate into an advantage for any other profession in EVE. The things you learn while mining are rarely applicable to the rest of the game. Mining is usually a solo activity, though it doesn't need to be that way (though the reality is that it often is). If you are not mining because you can essentially go AFK doing it, you are going to find EVE boring. Things will become monotonous and you may find yourself looking for something better to do. The player skill (read: not skill point) barrier for entry to mining is so low, it may hamper you from doing the riskier things in EVE. So... Having level 5 in all skills under "Resource processing", that's a bad thing? Dammit. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 7501	Posted - 2015.02.24 18:51:50 - [40] - Quote "The Skillpoint System and You" "How did you Veterans start?" "The Skillpoint System and You" "How did you Veterans start?"
ACESsiggy University of Caille 30	Posted - 2015.02.24 19:30:43 - [41] - Quote Like I've said to all my friends Trying EVE on their trial account: hang in there past 10million SP. The game for me became fun once I was able to fly the frigate of my choice or fit that certain module without having to wait "x" amount of days. GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥
Cannibal Kane Blood Raiders Elite 4774	Posted - 2015.02.24 20:06:12 - [42] - Quote Just have fun, don't take the game to serious and do not let others dictate how you should be playing the game. If you get pushed ingame push back. You just might make friends of them and a whole new world of gameplay could open for you. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Talon SilverHawk Patria o Muerte 733	Posted - 2015.02.24 20:10:42 - [43] - Quote Run : P Tal
ggodhsup relocation LLC. 66	Posted - 2015.02.24 20:13:37 - [44] - Quote dont let it ruin your day. i had a tough time with this at first......its been almost 10 years, and i have way more fun with eve once i got over this.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 33493	Posted - 2015.02.24 20:28:39 - [45] - Quote Aside from join Vendo, my other advice would be: 1. Don't worry about how many SP you have Particularly for something like pvp, skillpoints give you more options for ships and fits, but player skill is every bit as important. Even with low skillpoints, you can develop your skowledge and skills as a player, so there's never a wrong time to start pvp if that's what you want to do. 2. It's not personal, everyone is just playing their own game Loss is natural in this game and if you die, the other guy wasn't out to get you, he was just out to have fun himself. Sometimes when someone else is having fun, you won't; but it's not personal. It's just the game. Don't rage over it. 3. Eve is ultimately about trust Despite the advice to trust no one, the game is much better when you find people you can trust. Be careful who you trust and have good processes to reduce risks, but don't limit yourself by being suspicious of everyone and everything. Most people in the game will help you. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 23034	Posted - 2015.02.24 21:11:03 - [46] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: So... Having level 5 in all skills under "Resource processing", that's a bad thing? Dammit. Plot twist: Sibs is maxed out on mining and is training up Resource Processing Vs. I give the advice about mining because of what I've seen it do to EVE players over and over again. I personally enjoy mind numbing activities. For example, I love cleaning every inch of my living space at 2-3am in the morning quite regularly. I don't think my likes are really all that representative. Rush to danger, wind up nowhere Sabriz for CSM go go go
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 30481	Posted - 2015.02.24 21:16:16 - [47] - Quote You're wrong. People of all walks of life are ruled by dem rocks. Don't post on the forums, devs don't read it. Send GMs your questions with support tickets. Don't be silent.
Big Lynx The Moustachery 981	Posted - 2015.02.24 22:04:57 - [48] - Quote Quit Eve ASAP (and gimme all your stuff)
Ryuuji Ibarazaki Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2	Posted - 2015.02.24 23:15:24 - [49] - Quote - Dump your boyfriend/girlfriend. - Divorce your spouse. - Make sure your kids have someplace new to live. - IRL human interaction will only hinder your new space-nerd lifestyle. - Pets are recommended. Post pictures of them interrupting your gameplay on Reddit. Congratulations, now you're winning at life.
Charlie Jacobson 305	Posted - 2015.02.24 23:27:53 - [50] - Quote Don't get angry when things don't go your way. Losing is supposed to be a fun learning experience. EVE is not a game for crybabies. I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec
Desimus Maximus Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 174	Posted - 2015.02.25 00:01:39 - [51] - Quote Davis TetrisKing wrote: Don't play to make isk Risk dying Don't fly what you can't afford You just created a new 'Rock, Paper, Scissors'.. They all cancel another out. My advice to new players... Either buy a 70m+ sp toon or don't play. The skill gap is too broad and will never be bridged. Stay away from Coalition warfare, you will hate the game and become bored of being told what to do and not given a reason for it.
Scira Crimson No Tax No 0	Posted - 2015.02.25 00:04:17 - [52] - Quote Quote: 1. Don't worry about how many SP you have Particularly for something like pvp, skillpoints give you more options for ships and fits, but player skill is every bit as important. Even with low skillpoints, you can develop your skowledge and skills as a player, so there's never a wrong time to start pvp if that's what you want to do. Unfortunatly this is very wrong. Though I am fairly new I know this has been repeated on the forum a dozen times until most people tend to believe it, but its wrong from a mathematical perspective: Simply compare a full Lv 5 Pilot with a full Lv 4 Pilot. Once I heard a pro-argument for this ****** SP system saying that there are "diminishing returns", but I call this BS because of the multiplicative nature of all stats. If you have 4,1% more damage and 4,1% more EHP your "combatpower" has already an +8,5% advantage. And this is RIDICULOUSLY HIGH for a PvP game. I come from a medium high competitive szene in league of legends and I can tell you: losing "only" 2% damage would put you on such a disadvantage, that playing the came would not be fun anymore... But in EVE we have TONS of multiplicative stats: -damage -EHP -CPU (=potential module slot) -regeneration (multiplicative to EHP) -speed (=EHP) -different damage modifier (for instance having -20% explosion radius for missiles might increase total damage by up to +~25, so those -5%s from skills count) My conclusion: The PvP aspect is incredible gimped by EVE Onlines Skillsystem. Personally Id like to do faction warfare, but as I have only 1,5 mio skillpoints its 100% useless to even try. Actually I tried but though it was interesting to experience "danger" the fun part of low SP FW is completly missing. Some things I learned while I trying: 1, most player fly T2 ships They easily have x2-x4 EHP because of native resistance. I even managed to shoot down a T2 ships shields and got excited, but after I got destroyed I found out that the enemy ship is armor tanked and has at least 50 (but rather 80%) resistance while I shot down a 0% shield. (this means the fight might look close, but in reality the enemy was like 5x stronger than me though we both flew cruiser. Also I am currently a Lv3+ Pilot, but Tech2 + Lv4-5 is too strong-->see scaling as I mentioned above). 2, Even if I fit a T1 cruiser with low range weapons and maximum reasonable offensive capability, FW complex ships outregenerate me me. PvP is 100% pointless as a beginner, dont let anybody tell you something different, they are obviously lying and hope to feed on easy prey while roaming. The only thing a beginner can do is focus on LV 4 missions. They will be possible after 2 months of "not playing the game". What Id advice a beginner: play security missions, learn the combat system(which is incredible btw). Learn all the game mechanics and possibilities. Dont grind, because of low SP your efficiency is reduced by 90% anyways. Learning and offline progression, this is what you should do...
Sweets Desu State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.02.25 00:05:45 - [53] - Quote Desimus Maximus wrote: Davis TetrisKing wrote: Don't play to make isk Risk dying Don't fly what you can't afford You just created a new 'Rock, Paper, Scissors'.. They all cancel another out. My advice to new players... Either buy a 70m+ sp toon or don't play. The skill gap is too broad and will never be bridged. Stay away from Coalition warfare, you will hate the game and become bored of being told what to do and not given a reason for it. My good sir Brave would love a word with you. Null isnt for everyone but let me tell you about the fun/hr that BRAVE can offer...
Charlie Jacobson 305	Posted - 2015.02.25 00:12:29 - [54] - Quote Desimus Maximus wrote: My advice to new players... Either buy a 70m+ sp toon or don't play. The skill gap is too broad and will never be bridged. That's some pretty sad advice. You can have a lot of fun with low SP chars, and the gap isn't really that big if you have a focused skill plan for the things you plan to use the character for. On this character I have 82 million SP, but whenever I undock in a ship, I only get to utilize a small fraction of it. I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec
Paranoid Loyd 3957	Posted - 2015.02.25 00:25:55 - [55] - Quote Desimus Maximus wrote: My advice to new players... Either buy a 70m+ sp toon or don't play. The skill gap is too broad and will never be bridged. I have a sub 10 mil SP alt I have been having the most fun with lately. (No she's not a ganker) None of my toons have 70 m SPs Knowledge of mechanics combined with friends trumps SPs any day. In some cases knowledge alone trumps SPs. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
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Goatman NotMyFault Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus 178	Posted - 2015.02.25 01:26:48 - [57] - Quote My advice is simple... Only play EVE if you too much free time.... and it might seem like a cracking good game the first year... then it usually hits you that EVE is actually just repeating repeating repeating... A evil downward spiral which you will be trapped in.. Ergo... Play EVE too long and ure screwed. :D
Davis TetrisKing The Vendunari End of Life 75	Posted - 2015.02.25 01:30:13 - [58] - Quote Scira Crimson wrote: Quote: 1. Don't worry about how many SP you have Particularly for something like pvp, skillpoints give you more options for ships and fits, but player skill is every bit as important. Even with low skillpoints, you can develop your skowledge and skills as a player, so there's never a wrong time to start pvp if that's what you want to do. Unfortunatly this is very wrong. Though I am fairly new I know this has been repeated on the forum a dozen times until most people tend to believe it, but its wrong from a mathematical perspective: Simply compare a full Lv 5 Pilot with a full Lv 4 Pilot. Once I heard a pro-argument for this **** SP system saying that there are "diminishing returns", but I call this BS because of the multiplicative nature of all stats. If you have 4,1% more damage and 4,1% more EHP your "combatpower" has already an +8,5% advantage. And this is RIDICULOUSLY HIGH for a PvP game. I come from a medium high competitive szene in league of legends and I can tell you: losing "only" 2% damage would put you on such a disadvantage, that playing the came would not be fun anymore... --snip-- The only thing a beginner can do is focus on LV 4 missions. They will be possible after 2 months of "not playing the game". What Id advice a beginner: play security missions, learn the combat system(which is incredible btw). Learn all the game mechanics and possibilities. Dont grind, because of low SP your efficiency is reduced by 90% anyways. Learning and offline progression, this is what you should do... (play the game by not playing it) PS.: Quote:** My advice to new players... Either buy a 70m+ sp toon or don't play. The skill gap is too broad and will never be bridged. So true. Actually I thought about buying a character, but this would feel so wrong... My approach is: Go into combat skill for 2 years, and then I will be able to fly ONE SINGLE ship competitivly. Sounds great? The part about 5% being a big difference is true, I'll give you that, but only when the combat is set up to be fair. Eve is not that kind of game. It's pretty rare for a 1v1 to happen between people in the same ship and fitting style (aside from prearranged fights I guess). Heck you talk about league. This is similar to a 1v1 between a fighter and a support. Or the fed marksman vs the marksman who's been behind all game. You don't expect to win if you're in a bad spot so you don't engage in that fight, you wait for a better opportunity. In league the design is based around 5v5, even players on each team, everyone starts on the same footing, both teams have access to the same income and the same items etc etc etc. Eve isn't designed for fights to be fair. Sure 1v1 a high SP character will likely beat a low SP char, but hey, this is eve, bring friends! In League half the game is trying to set up situations where you fight with an advantage. Ganking 2v1, grabbing an objective when they're on the other side of the map or 2 players down, split pushing etc etc etc. If you don't think you'll win a fight dont fight. Change the circumstances so you have the advantage, then go in for the fight. Eve is like this but on a much grander scale. And if anyone complains that their 60mil SP character died to 10 5mil SP characters that it's not 'fair' should really be looking at why he got caught, not complaining that they ganged up on him. Different games, different styles.
Serene Repose 2304	Posted - 2015.02.25 02:35:01 - [59] - Quote And the dam burst! To quote Bob Dylan, "Take care of yourself. Get plenty of rest." Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23085	Posted - 2015.02.25 03:41:21 - [60] - Quote Desimus Maximus wrote: My advice to new players... Either buy a 70m+ sp toon or don't play. The skill gap is too broad and will never be bridged. Stay away from Coalition warfare, you will hate the game and become bored of being told what to do and not given a reason for it. My advice would be to ignore this particular gem. A 70m+ SP character in the hands of someone who has no idea what they're doing is a series of hilarious killmails and a whole lot of tears waiting to happen. Pay to win doesn't work in Eve if you don't have the personal skills to back up the SP. A newbie following this advice, spending money on plex, and buying a high SP character that can fly sweet ships. Then getting their arse repeatedly handed to them on a plate, by players with smaller ships and far less SP who do know what they're doing, is probably going to quit. CCP want to retain more newbies, not lose them. "Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Davis TetrisKing The Vendunari End of Life 75	Posted - 2015.02.25 03:44:26 - [61] - Quote Desimus Maximus wrote: Davis TetrisKing wrote: Don't play to make isk Risk dying Don't fly what you can't afford You just created a new 'Rock, Paper, Scissors'.. They all cancel another out. My advice to new players... Either buy a 70m+ sp toon or don't play. The skill gap is too broad and will never be bridged. Stay away from Coalition warfare, you will hate the game and become bored of being told what to do and not given a reason for it. Haha, fair enough, I thought some people might take it that way. I guess I was trying to say 'don't make isk your focus' not 'don't earn isk'. They might seem like they cancel each other out if the focus is on isk, but if the focus is on having fun they end up being guidelines for an attitude to have towards in game wealth. By focusing on isk I think people do 3 things: Focus on activities that generate the best isk/hour. Try their hardest to avoid losses. Fly the most expensive thing they can to get the extra 1% isk/hour. (and because they're flying expensive things people try even harder to avoid losses) If isk isn't the focus and instead we make fun the focus we can change these three to: Focus on activities that generate the most fun/hour. Not worry too much about losses. (who cares when you're having fun) Fly whatever happens to be available at the time. (it's still possible to have fun in cheaper fits) I will concede though that most players do end up needed to find an activity to make isk at some point, I just recommend new players don't focus too much on it.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23085	Posted - 2015.02.25 03:54:01 - [62] - Quote More advice: If you die at the hands of another player ask them where you went wrong, most will be more than happy to help you with tactics and fits. Some may reimburse your loss, others may invite you to fly with them. Attitude is everything, both on the forums and in game. (see above) Make friends, make enemies, have fun. "Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Vyl Vit 1065	Posted - 2015.02.25 04:44:40 - [63] - Quote Advice to new players: This is like a journey with no destination. There are waypoints. There are milestones. You're never going to "get there." This means enjoy the ride. Don't get caught up so much in what you wish you could do, or what others say you must do (even what you see others doing that you can't) that you don't enjoy what you are doing. What you are doing is as important, elite, meta what have you as what anyone else is doing. It's where you are. Take it in. Savor it for what it is. Don't be in a rush. You have nothing but time. That is not to say there's not ways to spend time efficiently and wisely. What do we do in life? We learn. Experience teaches us. Others do, too. Don't expect to know what you haven't learned yet, or to be what you've yet to become. If you aren't enjoying it, do something else for a while, or rethink your approach and redirect. DO NOT AGONIZE OVER THIS. It's a game. Have fun with it. Anyone with any sense has already left town.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2027	Posted - 2015.02.25 04:44:59 - [64] - Quote Use violence and the threat of violence to solve as many problems as possible. If you lack the capacity to do violence, or make credible threats of violence, gain that capacity by joining forces with other people. Seriously it's way more fun this way.
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 771	Posted - 2015.02.25 10:03:26 - [65] - Quote Don't listen to anyone who says you can't do something. Take no-one else word for whether you will enjoy something. If you find yourself waiting for anything, ask yourself if you really need what you are waiting for to do what you want. If your answer is yes, ask someone else, since you are probably wrong. Don't take it personally. By all, means, someone wrongs you, get even , but don't take it personally.
Ma'Baker McCandless The McCandless Clan 37	Posted - 2015.02.25 10:12:22 - [66] - Quote 1) Never look directly at hub Local channels, especially Jita. 2) Never use the forums, especially GD. 3) Never pay a ransom, especially to end a war. 4) Always start a war with the intention of asking for a ransom to end it, especially with 2 man corps.
Lan Wang Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi 209	Posted - 2015.02.25 10:22:12 - [67] - Quote Charlie Jacobson wrote: Desimus Maximus wrote: My advice to new players... Either buy a 70m+ sp toon or don't play. The skill gap is too broad and will never be bridged. That's some pretty sad advice. You can have a lot of fun with low SP chars, and the gap isn't really that big if you have a focused skill plan for the things you plan to use the character for. On this character I have 82 million SP, but whenever I undock in a ship, I only get to utilize a small fraction of those SP. its actually quite good advice, when i started the game my intention was to not do the whole grinding stuff and forcus on just enjoying the game and if i needed isk i would just buy plex, allbeit i took over 150 deaths before even killing a t1 frigate in fw on my 1mil sp toon, it was frustrating but i was in it for the long haul because it was fun. i then decided to buy a new toon when i was at around 4mil sp, so i bought a 42mil sp toon and i dont regret it at all, its pretty much eliminated every core skill i needed to train and i can focus on training up other stuff which is more fun. I am still terrible at eve and player skill is very important but sp plays a big part in it also in regards to tank and dps and what you can and cant fit on a ship, i started getting kills on day 1 of owning a higher sp toon compared to a 1/150 kill death ratio on a low sp toon. being able to fly a variety of ships within nullsecs ever changing doctrines is also a bonus. If you are planning to stay playing the best thing you can do is buy a toon which has all your core skills done, then you can focus on learning how to fly the ships without getting bored and frustrated of never getting any kills. EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design \| Killboard Banners \| -áWeb Design \| Website Graphics -á
Ma'Baker McCandless The McCandless Clan 37	Posted - 2015.02.25 10:31:08 - [68] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: If you are planning to stay playing the best thing you can do is buy a toon which has all your core skills done, then you can focus on learning how to fly the ships without getting bored and frustrated of never getting any kills. Yeah why bother learning the basics when you can drop -ú30--ú50 into a game that you dont know jack about and will get frustrated because there's no "winning" at all and then quit before 6 months are up? Genius
Lan Wang Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi 209	Posted - 2015.02.25 10:40:58 - [69] - Quote Ma'Baker McCandless wrote: Lan Wang wrote: If you are planning to stay playing the best thing you can do is buy a toon which has all your core skills done, then you can focus on learning how to fly the ships without getting bored and frustrated of never getting any kills. Yeah why bother learning the basics when you can drop -ú30--ú50 into a game that you dont know jack about and will get frustrated because there's no "winning" at all and then quit before 6 months are up? Genius dont think you read it properly so ill requote it for you "If you are planning to stay playing" it does get a bit frustrating playing a game for a few months and just losing everything and never getting a kill, i bought a toon and didnt quit after 6months and im sure alot of others have done the same, im also sure alot have quit because veterans just own them constantly and skills are an issue. so whats your point? EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design \| Killboard Banners \| -áWeb Design \| Website Graphics -á
Ma'Baker McCandless The McCandless Clan 39	Posted - 2015.02.25 10:47:12 - [70] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: it does get a bit frustrating playing a game for a few months and just losing everything and never getting a kill... i bought a toon and didnt quit after 6months and im sure alot of others have done the same... im also sure alot have quit because veterans just own them constantly and skills are an issue. so whats your point? You mean apart from where I said you should learn how to play the game and how those skills work instead of playing to lose even more ships and have less fun? I thought that point was exactly what I said. Something you apparently think is worth mocking, given what you said before your redundant question.
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 771	Posted - 2015.02.25 10:55:01 - [71] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: I am still terrible at eve and player skill is very important but sp plays a big part in it also in regards to tank and dps and what you can and cant fit on a ship, i started getting kills on day 1 of owning a higher sp toon compared to a 1/150 kill death ratio on a low sp toon. being able to fly a variety of ships within nullsecs ever changing doctrines is also a bonus. If you are planning to stay playing the best thing you can do is buy a toon which has all your core skills done, then you can focus on learning how to fly the ships without getting bored and frustrated of never getting any kills. But that is going to depend on the kind of person you are. Some folks want to get into the thick of it and fighting, and are going to balk at having to skill up to a certain level. For those sorts of players, buying a character is probably the best route. But, I for one, am a player who likes to build from scratch, who gets fulfillment from achieving milestones and unlocking new avenues of gameplay. For me, buying a character scythes out a huge chunk of what gives me enjoyment. If I could hop into a HAC on day one, it wouldn't have given me half the thrill that my first months in a Zealot gave me when I finally knuckled down and squared away Amarr Cruiser 5 so I could fly in the AHAC fleets. Likewise, my Revelation was indeed a revelation when I was finally able to sit in one, and I still get a little smile when I undock it because I earned it. Maybe I'm a little masochistic in that regard, but it is how I get my enjoyment. After all, I skilled up my Supercarrier alt from scratch when the general advice is to buy those kind of alts, but there was no way I wanted someone else to name my Supercarrier pilot. It took two years, but since it took me that long to gather the funds (I am easily distracted by Pirate Battleships), in the end it didn't matter (I honestly don't know whether using the money I had paid on sub for the second account for PLEX would have bought me a character suitable to fly it). So, to me this falls in the category of not telling newbies they have to do something. Depending on the player, the advice to buy a character might equally rescue them from a part of the game they loathe, or drive any sense of enjoyment out of the game for them. Offer the alternative, don't paint it a must-do.
Lan Wang Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi 209	Posted - 2015.02.25 11:01:29 - [72] - Quote Ma'Baker McCandless wrote: Lan Wang wrote: it does get a bit frustrating playing a game for a few months and just losing everything and never getting a kill... i bought a toon and didnt quit after 6months and im sure alot of others have done the same... im also sure alot have quit because veterans just own them constantly and skills are an issue. so whats your point? You mean apart from where I said you should learn how to play the game and how those skills work instead of playing to lose even more ships and have less fun? I thought that point was exactly what I said. Something you apparently think is worth mocking, given what you said before your redundant question. what was i mocking? are you saying i should read up on how skills affect everything and how to fly a ship instead of going out and actually playing the game? isnt that a good thing that people will spend money and play the game doing/learning pvp instead of carebearing for 3 years then complaining they know nothing about pvp when they die to wardecs and gankers, or playing missions for years with no interaction and eventually getting bored and leaving. ive done the money grinding in alot of games and it gets very boring, i didnt want to come to a new game and be forced to constantly try to make money to survive so the way i see it is if -ú30 can provide me with some entertainment then why not. was just my opinion, i bought a char and was the best thing i done in this game and i did learn alot dying 150 times before getting a kill, but i also learned alot being in a good corp with good players and learning from them and flying a wider variety of ships EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design \| Killboard Banners \| -áWeb Design \| Website Graphics -á
Lan Wang Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi 209	Posted - 2015.02.25 11:10:14 - [73] - Quote Aralyn Cormallen wrote: Lan Wang wrote: I am still terrible at eve and player skill is very important but sp plays a big part in it also in regards to tank and dps and what you can and cant fit on a ship, i started getting kills on day 1 of owning a higher sp toon compared to a 1/150 kill death ratio on a low sp toon. being able to fly a variety of ships within nullsecs ever changing doctrines is also a bonus. If you are planning to stay playing the best thing you can do is buy a toon which has all your core skills done, then you can focus on learning how to fly the ships without getting bored and frustrated of never getting any kills. But that is going to depend on the kind of person you are. Some folks want to get into the thick of it and fighting, and are going to balk at having to skill up to a certain level. For those sorts of players, buying a character is probably the best route. But, I for one, am a player who likes to build from scratch, who gets fulfillment from achieving milestones and unlocking new avenues of gameplay. For me, buying a character scythes out a huge chunk of what gives me enjoyment. If I could hop into a HAC on day one, it wouldn't have given me half the thrill that my first months in a Zealot gave me when I finally knuckled down and squared away Amarr Cruiser 5 so I could fly in the AHAC fleets. Likewise, my Revelation was indeed a revelation when I was finally able to sit in one, and I still get a little smile when I undock it because I earned it. Maybe I'm a little masochistic in that regard, but it is how I get my enjoyment. After all, I skilled up my Supercarrier alt from scratch when the general advice is to buy those kind of alts, but there was no way I wanted someone else to name my Supercarrier pilot. It took two years, but since it took me that long to gather the funds (I am easily distracted by Pirate Battleships), in the end it didn't matter (I honestly don't know whether using the money I had paid on sub for the second account for PLEX would have bought me a character suitable to fly it). So, to me this falls in the category of not telling newbies they have to do something. Depending on the player, the advice to buy a character might equally rescue them from a part of the game they loathe, or drive any sense of enjoyment out of the game for them. Offer the alternative, don't paint it a must-do. sorry didnt really mean it to sound like a "must do" obviously people do as they want, fair play if you build from scratch if you dont mind waiting the amount of time it takes to fly stuff, i guess i fall into your first category, i was probably impatient or maybe it was going to bigger pvp corps too early where demand for t3's and t2's were sort of mandatory. I just wanted to give myself a small boost in skills once i got the hang of the game, didnt want something super high skilled just something where i have the scope to fly alot of ships but also the scopr to mould into my own char and take my own approach. EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design \| Killboard Banners \| -áWeb Design \| Website Graphics -á
Ma'Baker McCandless The McCandless Clan 39	Posted - 2015.02.25 11:11:22 - [74] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: are you saying i should read up on how skills affect everything and how to fly a ship instead of going out and actually playing the game? No, Im saying the opposite; learn by doing. Lan Wang wrote: isnt that a good thing that people will spend money and play the game doing/learning pvp instead of carebearing for 3 years then complaining they know nothing about pvp when they die to wardecs and gankers, or playing missions for years with no interaction and eventually getting bored and leaving. Why would you do industry if you wanted to PVP? Surely, learning to do the thing you want should be what you concentrate on? Though if you face gankers for three years and learn nopthing about PVP you are doing something wrong. Lan Wang wrote: ive done the money grinding in alot of games and it gets very boring, i didnt want to come to a new game and be forced to constantly try to make money to survive so the way i see it is if -ú30 can provide me with some entertainment then why not. I cant argue to the legality of it, CCP says its fine. Im sayign that its not advice I would give to a new player (the topic of the thread) because in EvE A bought-in character is worthless unless you know how to use it. Lan Wang wrote: was just my opinion, i bought a char and was the best thing i done in this game and i did learn alot dying 150 times before getting a kill, but i also learned alot being in a good corp with good players and learning from them and flying a wider variety of ships I think you being in a good corp with good players is far far afar more important than how much money you drop on some soulless, no-history no-story toon.
Faenir Antollare University of Caille Gallente Federation 353	Posted - 2015.02.25 11:30:42 - [75] - Quote Enjoy yourself, enjoy your time. The advice above regarding joining corps/groups that YOU enjoy the company of, should neither be overlooked nor under-stated. Les RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
Lan Wang Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi 210	Posted - 2015.02.25 11:45:23 - [76] - Quote Ma'Baker McCandless wrote: Lan Wang wrote: are you saying i should read up on how skills affect everything and how to fly a ship instead of going out and actually playing the game? No, Im saying the opposite; learn by doing. Lan Wang wrote: isnt that a good thing that people will spend money and play the game doing/learning pvp instead of carebearing for 3 years then complaining they know nothing about pvp when they die to wardecs and gankers, or playing missions for years with no interaction and eventually getting bored and leaving. Why would you do industry if you wanted to PVP? Surely, learning to do the thing you want should be what you concentrate on? Though if you face gankers for three years and learn nopthing about PVP you are doing something wrong. Lan Wang wrote: ive done the money grinding in alot of games and it gets very boring, i didnt want to come to a new game and be forced to constantly try to make money to survive so the way i see it is if -ú30 can provide me with some entertainment then why not. I cant argue to the legality of it, CCP says its fine. Im sayign that its not advice I would give to a new player (the topic of the thread) because in EvE A bought-in character is worthless unless you know how to use it. Lan Wang wrote: was just my opinion, i bought a char and was the best thing i done in this game and i did learn alot dying 150 times before getting a kill, but i also learned alot being in a good corp with good players and learning from them and flying a wider variety of ships I think you being in a good corp with good players is far far afar more important than how much money you drop on some soulless, no-history no-story toon. well im just saying industry as a few i joined with went to do that to make money then come to pvp later when they have the skills and the isk to compete (but the player skill in pvp wasnt enough to compete) because isk is hard to make if you have no interest in grinding and just want to shoot people, especially when you lose so many ships n lowsec and null sorry if its bad advice but after my 150 deaths over the time i played then to 4mil sp i did have a basic grip of the game and losing so much made me learn something everytime i lost a ship, i decided this was the game i wanted to play, buying a new character helped me out alot and made my life easier for many things, but that may just be because where i am and what was required to do things, i am still pretty terrible at eve and the char has only given me a boost in skills the corp i am in has given me alot of my player skills so yes the corp plays an even bigger part in my pvp life and everything i lose i still learn from. EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design \| Killboard Banners \| -áWeb Design \| Website Graphics -á
Ma'Baker McCandless The McCandless Clan 42	Posted - 2015.02.25 11:52:13 - [77] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: well im just saying industry as a few i joined with went to do that to make money then come to pvp later when they have the skills and the isk to compete (but the player skill in pvp wasnt enough to compete) because isk is hard to make if you have no interest in grinding and just want to shoot people, especially when you lose so many ships n lowsec and null sorry if its bad advice but after my 150 deaths over the time i played then to 4mil sp i did have a basic grip of the game and losing so much made me learn something everytime i lost a ship, i decided this was the game i wanted to play, buying a new character helped me out alot and made my life easier for many things, but that may just be because where i am and what was required to do things, i am still pretty terrible at eve and the char has only given me a boost in skills the corp i am in has given me alot of my player skills so yes the corp plays an even bigger part in my pvp life and everything i lose i still learn from. Im not saying its bad advice as such, Im just saying that theres more than one point of view. You want to play EvE like a competitive fighting game where your character is only a sock you wear on your hand as you fly your ship about. To me, its more about the character, who they are, why they are here and what they do. But I guess most people would be happier just to do away with such out moded concepts as characters and backgrounds and the whole RP element of a MMORPG Though if people want combat, I have no idea why they would choose EvE in the first place. Its not exactly the best engine for it.
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 1195	Posted - 2015.02.25 11:54:12 - [78] - Quote OP has a pretty good set of advices right there. Any newbie would do well to stick to them, and simply ignore the onslaught of terribles who think otherwise. There's a reason most "pvpers" are lol blobs F1 pushers who need to blue half the game to not suck. I'm old Gregor.
Clara Barcelo Deadly Fingertips 0	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:02:11 - [79] - Quote Have a Goal The best advice I can give. You need to find something you want to do in EVE. Otherwise you just wither away. A Goal, your own Endgame. A goal to focus your efforts on. EVE is sandbox and your choice are almost limitless. You can be a savy trader, a solo pvper, a Titian pilot. You can FC a 200 man fleet. You can be a spy, and sell information. You can work your away into a huge alliance and shut it down stealing everything nailed to the floor. You can start a Mercenary Corp and take contracts and be the hammer for someone who can not be. All you need to do is find it, and EVE suddenly opens up. Friends, and Trust These are THE most important commodities in EvE. It's not ISK, or ships. It's who you can trust, who will go to bat for you, and people who will stick by you without breaking.
Bob Maths EVE University Ivy League 28	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:09:53 - [80] - Quote Perform your own investigations into what people tell you rather than ascribing to the one true website for anything.
Sable Moran Moran Light Industries 428	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:12:54 - [81] - Quote Davis TetrisKing wrote: What are your general bits of advice for new players? Don't join the massive herd of sheep. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene.
Bethan Le Troix Krusual Investigation Agency 171	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:23:20 - [82] - Quote 1) HAVE FUN playing EVE If you having fun playing EVE then you are doing it right - even if someone else says you are doing it 'wrong'. 2) Ask advice if you don't know how to do something in New Eden but bear in mind that the advice may be incorrect, loaded, or meant to deceive. 3) Good places to ask questions are the various EVE forum boards applicable to the activity or the new persons one. Asking on General discussion will invariably invite sarcasm. Other good places to ask questions are the EVE Uni channel and sometimes the Rookie channel in-game. Waiting for the server.........
Keven Iwaira Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.02.25 14:18:58 - [83] - Quote 1)Do not say: I m not prepared for pvp , just do it ! 2)Do not play for Isk .
Kalpel KBM 84	Posted - 2015.02.25 15:27:38 - [84] - Quote Don't start, lol You failed to target nothing!-áGëívGëí online
Maxpie MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises 441	Posted - 2015.02.25 18:45:13 - [85] - Quote Play 1 account. Eve is not a job. Try lots of different things. Don't feel like you have to wait to go to null, do pvp or anything else. Be cool with people. It's just a game and those other pilots are actual other nerds, just like you and me. No good deed goes unpunished
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 382	Posted - 2015.02.25 19:00:09 - [86] - Quote Davis TetrisKing wrote: What are your general bits of advice for new players? Buy the most expensive ship you can't afford to lose. Fit it poorly, take it into Null and lose it in 10 seconds. Then go onto local chat, whine incessantly until everyone blocks you, then quit in noob rage. Best time ever... Oh and fly solo...

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