That's not gonna be very good at catching things, and it will be even worse for the destroyer. It's just too hard to function as a small ship with only 1 medium.

Solo -> Vengeance.
In fleet you have tacklers.
You need to use the right tool for the right job.

Every tool can do the same point/propulsion job except the Coercer and the Retribution.

David, what Roderick posted is just about the best - and politest, lol - answer you'll receive in here. Yes, agreed, those ships with one mid slot aren't what you would expect a pvp ship to have. However, what do you think the dev's were thinking when they created those ships? That they were insta-broken? No. They have a role. Just like every ship ingame. You just have to figure out what that role is and how best to utilise your chosen ship. Surely you realised this before training/buying one? I mean absolutely no offence by this, but Roderick has it nailed down.

Everything has a role and/or a purpose in EvE. It's just sometimes we don't see it. believe me, I know, lol.

The good old "everything happens for a reason", "everything was designed for a purpose" argument.

No, these ships were badly designed with one medium slot and need to be fixed if they want to be remotely usable in solo/small group pvp work.

David, quite simply, you are wrong. Several people have posted in a polite manner regarding your semi-rant, myself included. There is no need to be terse. Obviously you won't be swayed, which is of course your perogative. I just cannot see you getting a bandwagon of agreement behind you. Maybe I'm wrong, and if you feel SO strongly, contact the dev's and ask them for their justification of those ships with one mid slot. Good luck with that, lol.

The Retribution, and for that matter all AFs, needs to be looked at closely. For one they have not yet given the AFs their 4th bonus that they should have been given ages ago. But with the Retribution it is worse off than most being stuck with that lack of a second med slot and that should be addressed. A 4H/2M/5L slot layout would be a great improvement and still give the ship a unique slot layout and with a decent 4th bonus could be made flyable.

One medium slot is just dumb. Anyone arguing otherwise, is too.

Would you fly a Retri in gangs if it did 1.5x times its current dps? That would be 275 dps at 22km with Scorch in a damage and range oriented fit.

Anyone arguing to buff ships with one medium slot while ignoring Cormorants one low is stupid.

One medium slot is just dumb. Anyone arguing otherwise, is too.

stop asking. get a ceptor pilot to fly with you. the coecer and retri are great for pve and work fine in small hull sized fleets as gank.

They can still work with max dps, plenty of people thinks you have a point and don-¦t bother to warp off.

Posts like this make me wish there was a dislike button.

Yes, of course. One med slot is hard to live with.

In fact this ship has tactical advantage - very strong tank. In a fleet of cruisers a retribution may look odd and draw enemy fire, which will save time. Retribution can be very strong if enemy goes for smallest by mistake. I.e. bait for the unaware.

Coercer, what do you not like? It is not meant to tackle, not meant to tank. Its tracking is abnormal, literally ignites all enemy frigates (all except stealth bombers). If enemy pilot is stupid enough to go under the guns of a destroyer, he goes belly up. Else, destroyers keep enemy tacklers, ceptors and drones away. Nothing to complain about.

David, what Roderick posted is just about the best - and politest, lol - answer you'll receive in here. Yes, agreed, those ships with one mid slot aren't what you would expect a pvp ship to have. However, what do you think the dev's were thinking when they created those ships? That they were insta-broken? No. They have a role. Just like every ship ingame. You just have to figure out what that role is and how best to utilise your chosen ship. Surely you realised this before training/buying one? I mean absolutely no offence by this, but Roderick has it nailed down.

Everything has a role and/or a purpose in EvE. It's just sometimes we don't see it. believe me, I know, lol.

Have solo killed in a Retribution crew checking in.

The 1-mid ship.
Designed to sacrifice tackle in favour of doing much higher DPS. Great concept, IMHO.

... The rather large problem with this being that the other assault frigates and destroyers can do as much, if not more DPS and can still mount both mobility and tackle.

To put this about as bluntly as I can: if a ship is going to be a one-trick pony, it should be better at that trick than the others.

The bigger problem is the lack of usable laser boats below the BC size in general. For a pilot wanting to fly solo amarr boats you can use a laser punisher but the jump between that and a harbinger is pretty dismal. The only worthwhile step up from a punisher is the crusader or slicer. The retribution and coercer are unusable due to the lack of mids. The omen is worthless because of its power grid and cpu.

The punisher, maller, and prophecy also generally work better with AC's anyway.

Give the retribution and coercer another mid each and we will see many more small laser boats in pvp.

Also if your gonna fly internet spaceships they damn well better be shooting flashy lasers...

it simply isn't funny what a pack o' frigs can do to that ship.

Yeah that is a depressingly short list.


A valid point, or it would be if the Zealot wasn't a gang ship rather than solo (a role in which it is superb)

There's also the Phantasm, but not sure if that really counts...

The bigger problem is the lack of usable laser boats below the BC size in general. For a pilot wanting to fly solo amarr boats you can use a laser punisher but the jump between that and a harbinger is pretty dismal. The only worthwhile step up from a punisher is the crusader or slicer. The retribution and coercer are unusable due to the lack of mids. The omen is worthless because of its power grid and cpu.

The punisher, maller, and prophecy also generally work better with AC's anyway.

Give the retribution and coercer another mid each and we will see many more small laser boats in pvp.

Also if your gonna fly internet spaceships they damn well better be shooting flashy lasers...

And it does a very good job as sniper(50+km)/DPS(up to 288) platform in gangs. Not both at the same time ;).

PS: and btw. NOT every ship in EVE must be PvP able! Just learn to except, that some are made for PvE ;).

There is no reason for a pvp ship to ever have only 1 midslot. If you don't have a point, most FC's will laugh you out of their fleet. Yes there are ways around it, but realistically all it does is gimp that ship in comparison to other hulls.

to have a point on each ship in a fleet is a waste of Midslot.

PS: and btw. NOT every ship in EVE must be PvP able! Just learn to except, that some are made for PvE ;).
Not? Well, why the hell aren't mining barks able to fit propper tanks and ... see my sig damit!

The Enyo?
... Which is still better than the Retribution.

2 - Buff the DPS output, so it actually does enough to be worth the lack of tackle.

Bumpage, fix the 1-mid lolships please.

In the case of the Retribution, the way I see it this is doable in 2 ways:
1 - Give it a mid. Obvious really
Or
2 - Buff the DPS output, so it actually does enough to be worth the lack of tackle.

No, to have a frigate without a point is a waste of a ship.
(With the obvious exception of the Griffin/Kitsune)

If you're in a frigate, and you don't have a point, frankly you need a damn good reason - and the Retribution doesn't have one. The DPS it puts out isn't that impressive compared to other AFs.

Amarr is a fleet race and working in a fleet is what most if not all amarr pvp ships are driven toward.

Its not just the dps, its that dps at 20km. . .and with a beefy tank.

Retri is fine, coer is fine too.

Only an idiot would turn away this nice little ship.

Its not just the dps, its that dps at 20km. . .and with a beefy tank.

Retri is fine, coer is fine too.

although yes, the 4th bonus should be dps

Some day, some how, some way, CCP needs to slap a second mid-slot onto this ship. Plain and simple.