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Gudrodur Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.10 00:22:00 - [1] Edited by: Gudrodur on 10/10/2006 00:31:53 Well I have a story to tell, a grim one. I tell this tale in order to fulfill my role as a good EVE player. I was doing missions in stain to recover some isk after the 9uy war yesterday I was invited by Palestrina (TNT Alliance) to a 1 vs 1, I had to leave soon and couldn't and said so and left. Today I invited him to a 1 vs 1, I went in a blaster megathron and he was in a nos dominix we met in 6y-0tw planet one. I was ripping him a new one and just before he went to structure point a Falcon uncloaked and jammed me and 4 of his friends came and killed me. I know that there is one thing in eve that is sacred to any player, the only currency out there except for isk, people that do not keep their word are the lowest form of life in eve and RL, I'm sure you know what I mean so I say to you all in eve that this action needs to be punished. I know the TNT ppl are probably going to flame me to hell here, but i never see them try to fight anything outnumbered or anything like that only coward tactics and yes i have lost 2 capital ships to them but that was just gank 1 vs 20 or something and sometimes i get bored what can i say :) I wanna test my ships. If I¦d play eve responsibly I¦d be one rich *****. Such an act deserves attention to it and punishment is in order for such betrayal. Just wanted everyone to know so you are warned.
LK52 Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.10 00:29:00 - [2] Lowest of the low. -------------------------------------------------- Neglect leads to perfection. Stained.
Daraleya Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.10 00:30:00 - [3] Name and shame.. give us the pilots names =)
Maddi Cruor Frater	Posted - 2006.10.10 00:32:00 - [4] Sounds just like them
Rustok Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2006.10.10 00:38:00 - [5] Edited by: Rustok on 10/10/2006 00:41:33 Lame !! but hey ho, sounds like TNT to me
Scoundrelus Unseen Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.10 00:44:00 - [6] Rumor has it they do login traps too. =============================================== We are Watching You.
DarkElf Caldari Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.10.10 00:53:00 - [7] Edited by: DarkElf on 10/10/2006 00:54:13 Lame, all that can really be said DE
Specture Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.10.10 01:37:00 - [8] yea that is pretty lame gud I hope you get that SOB back >:)
Ugluuk Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.10 01:40:00 - [9] Well well.. I have talked to Palestrina and to tell the truth..7 year old`s makes me confused.. First to what this is about: He told me that there was a 1vs1 agreed but you logged, when you came back in and wanted to fight there was no agreement of a 1vs1.. If this is true i still think this was the act of a little boy who just got high on his mama`s breast milk. 1vs1 is 1vs1..If you agree to a 1vs1 you give your word and it shall be kept. I take distance from this action and think he should reimburse the ship but i got nothing to say as i now play as a regular member and dont give a crap really about others than myself. Over to my second point..If you wanna fight Tnt and get good fights dont visit our carebears all the time.. People in npc ships dont give good fights and you should know that by now after loosing 2 Thanatos to them.. But there are people in Tnt (alcatraz) that do 1vs1 and honor it in a most honorable way which includes a GF in local even tho you loose.. I hate to see this kind of behaviour and will be using my next week to consider if i shall make my own 1 man corp..Then i dont have to fly with someone who dishonor my favourite thing in Eve..
Kalek Astroth Amarr The Electrocuted iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.10 01:51:00 - [10] Edited by: Kalek Astroth on 10/10/2006 01:51:38 Ugluuk , nice reply i had recently a 1 vs 1 (asked by me) with a tempest , i lost it and my opponent was so kind to convoed me asking if i need some loot escrowed in a station
Gudrodur Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.10 01:56:00 - [11] sry the conversation went something like this, i typed it back up since i don't have copy to log Gudrodur > you want 1vs1 now? Palestrin > sure, meet me at planet 1 Gudrodur > k, i am in warp B.T.W Long it has bee long time Ugluuk remember RKK
Logan Williams Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.10 02:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Gudrodur Edited by: Gudrodur on 10/10/2006 00:31:53 I know the TNT ppl are probably going to flame me to hell here FLAME FLAME FLAME!!!!! Actually man, dishonoring 1v1 is lame. Please feel free to add the names of the others involved. I can assure you that any ALTZ member involved (if any) will be highly scrutinized if not kicked. No flame to be had here man, you've got a point.
Ugluuk Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.10 02:09:00 - [13] Edited by: Ugluuk on 10/10/2006 02:09:49 Originally by: Gudrodur sry the conversation went something like this, i typed it back up since i don't have copy to log Gudrodur > you want 1vs1 now? Palestrin > sure, meet me at planet 1 Gudrodur > k, i am in warp B.T.W Long it has bee long time Ugluuk remember RKK Hey Gud Sorry for this mate..****es me off and if actions dont get taken on him im happy to sort it out my way.. i remember those days..hehe..When Rkk was a merc corp wth 60 members.. Ahh the memories.. Hope you and morty,cougar ++ are doing fine.. And again i apologize for what has happened and wish i had power to do somethign with it.. I wont fly with him or back him up anymore for sure..So if you see me and him alone in local you will get your 1vs1 if he aint dead already..
Elliott Manchild omen.	Posted - 2006.10.10 02:23:00 - [14] Pffft thats just low, im sure if he was winning the fight his friends wouldnt of helped him. <3 you gudr :)
Benglada Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.10 03:19:00 - [15] I used to accept 1v1s, 95% were dishonoured, it is now my policy to not accept any 1v1s. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Ugluuk Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.10 03:27:00 - [16] Please send me a mail with your demand for reimbursement.. And please withdraw the insurance payout from that fee.. Alcatraz members are going together to pay reimbursement to show we dont support this kind of behaviour.. Gudro brings the fight everyday and that deserves respect not disrespect.. I know reimbursement aint the same as winning the fight so i will kill him once i get the chance so you get isk and the kill you were going to get..
Palestrina	Posted - 2006.10.10 03:29:00 - [17] just figured id drop in and say as this post is about me. Ill be happy to let you all know that my alliance has decided to cover the cost of this hostiles losses. Im not really authorized but figure that I would suggest ne other hostiles reading this to put in a request for there isks lost also so as that everything can be kept fair.
Complacency's Bane Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.10 03:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Palestrina just figured id drop in and say as this post is about me. Ill be happy to let you all know that my alliance has decided to cover the cost of this hostiles losses. Im not really authorized but figure that I would suggest ne other hostiles reading this to put in a request for there isks lost also so as that everything can be kept fair. Good show by your alliance, hopefully they boot you/your corp out for being a such a giant douchebag that you dont even realize why theyre refunding your fake 1v1 kill. I know the last corp I was in had a standing rule that if you dishonored a 1v1 that you'd agreed to, you would be immedietly kicked, along with anyone who knowingly helped you do it. You were under no obligation to accept a 1v1, but once you did, our reputation was on the line that you'd follow through.
Elliott Manchild omen.	Posted - 2006.10.10 04:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Palestrina just figured id drop in and say as this post is about me. Ill be happy to let you all know that my alliance has decided to cover the cost of this hostiles losses. Im not really authorized but figure that I would suggest ne other hostiles reading this to put in a request for there isks lost also so as that everything can be kept fair. So you see nothing wrong in asking/accepting 1on1's, not being very good at PVP and start getting you ass handed to you by a better player, then getting friends to jam/kill him for you? If you see nothing wrong with that you need to learn to respect other people. Im sure if gudrodur had done that to you, you would of been the first person to complain. I know gud and he wouldn't of done that ever. 1on1's should be 1on1's
DaVinci Spinner Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.10 04:51:00 - [20] I hope he is promptly removed from the alliance/corp, there is no greater dishonour than what he has done. Whats even more sad is that he's replied to this thread and still no appology was made by him.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.10 06:04:00 - [21] Originally by: Palestrina just figured id drop in and say as this post is about me. Ill be happy to let you all know that my alliance has decided to cover the cost of this hostiles losses. Im not really authorized but figure that I would suggest ne other hostiles reading this to put in a request for there isks lost also so as that everything can be kept fair. Nice assinine response. A victim of a spoiled 1 vs 1 being reimbursed is alot different than your sarcastic implication that all killed hostiles should be reimbursed. GL with your EvE career. You just lost any hope of ever being in a decent corp. FREEE is Recruiting
Commander chielzzz Minmatar Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.10 12:27:00 - [22] hey this matter will be dealt with in a proper way. as said earlier in here, a 1 v 1 is and always will be (i hope) one of the most enjoyable parts of eve. we should not have to wonder if the other one will honour it. it's an agreement to fight each other with rules you set prior to the engagement. hell i even had a 1 v 1 once with a hostile, with the rule that if he would win, my other 20 friends in sys would let him leave unharmed. but to cut this topic short, this matter will be dealt with, with the parties involved and not with the eve universe. 1 v 1 is and always will be something sacret not even ccp can change. yours truly, commander chielzzz killing is not a game, it is an art, killing is not nice, it is beautifull, killing is not something i learned, i was born for it killing is in my genes.
Gauss Belloid Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.10 13:12:00 - [23] Kick him please
Greyshadow Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.10 15:19:00 - [24] Wow fairplay to this topic dealt with fairly and no flaming Also nice to see people enjoy 1v1's "We need you!"
KIATolon Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.10 15:24:00 - [25] /me claps at alcatraz
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.10 15:55:00 - [26] http://www.finite-horizon.com/viewtopic.php?t=341 if this makes you feel better :) Some TNT guy pooring his heart out bcus he died.
DogWithMeat Cruor Frater Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.10.10 22:13:00 - [27] Glad to see theres will to work this out.
Cap'n Keelhaul	Posted - 2006.10.10 22:37:00 - [28] Wait a minute, 1v1 doesn't mean 1 gang vs. 1 ship? [/sarcasm]
elbenito Battlestars Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.10 22:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Cap'n Keelhaul Wait a minute, 1v1 doesn't mean 1 gang vs. 1 ship? [/sarcasm] Gah, posted with my alt by mistake.
Complacency's Bane Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.10 22:39:00 - [30] Originally by: Cap'n Keelhaul Wait a minute, 1v1 doesn't mean 1 gang vs. 1 ship? [/sarcasm] Ive had a few guys from TSDS try to convince me it means 1 PoS vs 1 Ship.
UomoDiMerda	Posted - 2006.10.11 03:04:00 - [31] lol this is just so lame. 1)gudrodur, u have a problem with someone? talk to him, don't go bashing a whole alliance 2) other kids, stfu. u come down to us, fight, then u'll have something to say about our behaviour. don't just open your mouth, u'll eventually eat some flies and get sick 3) TnT mates, what da hell u doing? check things within tnt before blablaing in forums. and why u backing a troll thread against yourselves?
Commander Thrawn Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2006.10.11 03:20:00 - [32] Originally by: UomoDiMerda lol this is just so lame. 1)gudrodur, u have a problem with someone? talk to him, don't go bashing a whole alliance 2) other kids, stfu. u come down to us, fight, then u'll have something to say about our behaviour. don't just open your mouth, u'll eventually eat some flies and get sick 3) TnT mates, what da hell u doing? check things within tnt before blablaing in forums. and why u backing a troll thread against yourselves? i've killed Gud before and been killed by him a few times as well. He has always fought with honour. I'll beleive his word over you anyday and most likely that's why your alliance m8's beleive him too.
Complacency's Bane Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.11 04:16:00 - [33] Originally by: UomoDiMerda 3) TnT mates, what da hell u doing? check things within tnt before blablaing in forums. and why u backing a troll thread against yourselves? Because 'yourselves' in this case did something which makes everyone in your alliance look bad. Alcatraz fixed that. Thats the hallmark of a respectable corp - they actually stand behind their word. What youre doing right now is the hallmark of a pathetic corp. Trying to wheedle your way out of responsibilities even your alliancemates know you have.
dralid Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.11 09:35:00 - [34] Although Gudrodur is like a natural enemy of us, we always enjoyed fighting him (damn that nos domi of yours) and he deserves to be fought clean. Name and shame remembered here palestrina. Gudrodur is a better player then you, you should not have accepted the 1vs1, because it was a sure death anyway. -- Do YOU know, the Whirlwind? HERE
UomoDiMerda	Posted - 2006.10.11 11:34:00 - [35] Originally by: Complacency's Bane What youre doing right now is the hallmark of a pathetic corp. Trying to wheedle your way out of responsibilities even your alliancemates know you have. responsibilities? that's the point. if a bunch of kids did something wrong (which i never said they didn't) i don't get why all TnT is guilty. i never used lame tactics and never did many of my alliance mates. going on eve-o forum accusing tnt is lame and childish. where i live we are used to deal with things directly, not crying and whining to our mother.
Ugluuk Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.11 17:26:00 - [36] Since Palestrina aren`t booted and he support this kind of behaviour im leaving the alliance for my own benefit.. TnT and especially Alcatraz has been great for the last 3 months.. Many great pilots and possibly the best solo pilot in Eve (Gauss Belloid) learned me lots of good stuff to take with me.. Coronna is the CEO i wished i could been..A great man who got my vote for Eve personality of the year.. Please dont judge TnT for 1 single members actions..The rest of them are great people.. Got the list Gudro..Gonna pay my agent a visit to try and reimburse you fast..
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.11 18:46:00 - [37] Originally by: UomoDiMerda Originally by: Complacency's Bane What youre doing right now is the hallmark of a pathetic corp. Trying to wheedle your way out of responsibilities even your alliancemates know you have. responsibilities? that's the point. if a bunch of kids did something wrong (which i never said they didn't) i don't get why all TnT is guilty. i never used lame tactics and never did many of my alliance mates. going on eve-o forum accusing tnt is lame and childish. where i live we are used to deal with things directly, not crying and whining to our mother. Because that 1 person is a representation of your corp, whether you like it or not. He bears your corp/alliance mark, thus you accepted him in, thus he is a part of who you are as a whole, and people judge you based on that. Luckily however, a lot of TnT alliance members stood up and apologised for the situation and generally disapproved of the unfair 1vs1, making all the difference in mending the hurt views of your alliance/corp. Now here you come along, yelling and yapping, not exactly helping anything and just seem to want to stir up more trouble. Good luck with that -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Gudrodur Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.11 18:53:00 - [38] Edited by: Gudrodur on 11/10/2006 18:53:15 Originally by: Ugluuk Since Palestrina aren`t booted and he support this kind of behaviour im leaving the alliance for my own benefit.. TnT and especially Alcatraz has been great for the last 3 months.. Many great pilots and possibly the best solo pilot in Eve (Gauss Belloid) learned me lots of good stuff to take with me.. Coronna is the CEO i wished i could been..A great man who got my vote for Eve personality of the year.. Please dont judge TnT for 1 single members actions..The rest of them are great people.. Got the list Gudro..Gonna pay my agent a visit to try and reimburse you fast.. Hi Ugluuk my old frinde ! The isk is no issue her and I do not need it. Wish u Luke in EVE and fly safe BTW if u need new corp talk to me :)
Jebidus Skari Amarr KTHNXDIE	Posted - 2006.10.12 07:40:00 - [39] That makes me want a Falcon, cloaky jammyness ftw Screw Caldari Cruiser 5 though
sariss Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.12 08:32:00 - [40] We fought TNT back in our -V- days and learned to know them as very good PVPers and honorable enemies. A single incident says nothing about an alliance an i doubt that that TNT will support what has happened. Judging from the statements it was a misunderstanding, so give the man his stuff back, all shake hands and forget about it now (and stop continuing this flamebait). Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Xaarist FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:13:00 - [41] big thumbs up to TNT for their decision. credit where credit is due. ---------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is an alien dressed as Bunny to secretly gain world domination. ...if you don't know Happy Tree Friends, just imagine Teletubbies on LSD...
Plexreticle	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:37:00 - [42] OK, Group Hugz ftw revenge is my god and my guns are her angels
Zandramus Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:56:00 - [43] Edited by: Zandramus on 12/10/2006 12:56:35 Originally by: Gudrodur Edited by: Gudrodur on 10/10/2006 00:31:53 Well I have a story to tell, a grim one. I tell this tale in order to fulfill my role as a good EVE player. I was doing missions in stain to recover some isk after the 9uy war yesterday I was invited by Palestrina (TNT Alliance) to a 1 vs 1, I had to leave soon and couldn't and said so and left. Today I invited him to a 1 vs 1, I went in a blaster megathron and he was in a nos dominix we met in 6y-0tw planet one. I was ripping him a new one and just before he went to structure point a Falcon uncloaked and jammed me and 4 of his friends came and killed me. I know that there is one thing in eve that is sacred to any player, the only currency out there except for isk, people that do not keep their word are the lowest form of life in eve and RL, I'm sure you know what I mean so I say to you all in eve that this action needs to be punished. I know the TNT ppl are probably going to flame me to hell here, but i never see them try to fight anything outnumbered or anything like that only coward tactics and yes i have lost 2 capital ships to them but that was just gank 1 vs 20 or something and sometimes i get bored what can i say :) I wanna test my ships. If I¦d play eve responsibly I¦d be one rich *****. Such an act deserves attention to it and punishment is in order for such betrayal. Just wanted everyone to know so you are warned. tnt are noobs i used to npc in 6y area and came out w/ 3 officer spawns 2 for my corpmate and 1 for me they keep telling us that it was their space and they were gunna make us leave all they do is sit in the station and smacktalk they had to get coalition of carebear killers to kill my raven down there edited in coalition of carebear killers as their abbr is filtered
Ginger Magician Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:08:00 - [44] TNT are scumbags without honour. But dont accept 1v1s unless you are prepared to face multiple enemies. As far as I know there is no honourable 1v1s. The last time I accepted a 1v1 I did not face multiple opponents but the raven pilot I was fighting in my megathron deliberately warped to me at 100km so that I had no chance to catch him before his missiles could fire multiple volleys.Needless to say I didnt lose my ship but he knew he would lose if he had warped in at 15km.
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:17:00 - [45] Originally by: Ginger Magician TNT are scumbags without honour. But dont accept 1v1s unless you are prepared to face multiple enemies. As far as I know there is no honourable 1v1s. The last time I accepted a 1v1 I did not face multiple opponents but the raven pilot I was fighting in my megathron deliberately warped to me at 100km so that I had no chance to catch him before his missiles could fire multiple volleys.Needless to say I didnt lose my ship but he knew he would lose if he had warped in at 15km. That has got to be the lamest excuse ever for saying they are scumbags. Tell me, did you agree on a set fighting distance? If not, then you were just stupid not to specify and he used that to his advantage, and you warped out...in reality, you dishonoured the duel just cause you were poorly prepared. -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:20:00 - [46] Now this has got me rather ***ed up. Firstly Gudrodur - You and Palestrina had a 1v1. You and him were NOT in our gang. Our gang was the pvp one, palestrina was the npcer. You asked for 1 v 1 vs him. you got it. It is entirely your fault for accepting a duel at a planet. Palestrina didnt even tell us it was a 1 v 1. So maybe next time you should 1. Think where you're going to duel (i suggest a ss). 2. Check your facts. Now ugluuk - im not going to bash you here, but i find it rather childish that you are taking this approach. You should have left this to CEOs to resolve, and not be so immature. And ginger - wtf who are you talking to about lame? Go on a diet, and stop popping 1 week old mission runners. Now, i know for a fact that when i log on today, i will recieve a convo. It will be discussing this issue. Now i will have my say: I was that falcon pilot. And im the one who informed the gang of gudrodurs location. I scanned the planets like any competent pvper does, and found gudrodur - at which point i uncloaked, jammed, and the gang warped in. We do NOT dishonour PvP, 1 v 1s, or anything else. We discourage smacktalk, and we repremand those that do. Now IF there is a situation which has a form of problem, such as this - Then convo myself, or another CEO of the representing corp. Dont be lame and go onto public forums, and flame the entire alliance for one act. Especially when that act is only viewed in a negative way due to a lack of information, and insight. Now i will tell you this: Several alliance members are now upset etc regarding 1. Ugluuk leaving TNT, and 2. Being named and shamed on these forums, just due to gudrodur being a spoilt looser, and having a way to 'vent' his anger. Ofcourse, gudrodur couldnt possibly be posting this in anger, for loosing 2 thanatos, aswell as several Bs in a matter of 10 minutes, out of spite could he? It actually pains me to see members of the eve community posting here in such a disrespecful manner, regarding people they dont know, about a situation they havent been properly informed about, and when half of them are probably contradicting themselves in their own right. Ive had my say, and if anyone here wishes to convo me about what happened, or to flame a member of TNT, come to me. I was gang lead of the gang that popped gudrodurs mega, and come to be to *** about it. Wax off.
Ginger Magician Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: Ginger Magician TNT are scumbags without honour. But dont accept 1v1s unless you are prepared to face multiple enemies. As far as I know there is no honourable 1v1s. The last time I accepted a 1v1 I did not face multiple opponents but the raven pilot I was fighting in my megathron deliberately warped to me at 100km so that I had no chance to catch him before his missiles could fire multiple volleys.Needless to say I didnt lose my ship but he knew he would lose if he had warped in at 15km. That has got to be the lamest excuse ever for saying they are scumbags. Tell me, did you agree on a set fighting distance? If not, then you were just stupid not to specify and he used that to his advantage, and you warped out...in reality, you dishonoured the duel just cause you were poorly prepared. Its given that if ur dueling u warp in at 15km anything else is cowardly.And this was not a TNT person.I know TNT very well and have fought and killed hundreds of them - they are lame blobbers without any skills whatsoever. Alcatraz were in fact the most carebear corp in the whole of the old CA and I used to kill them so easily it was laughable.
Taipan Gedscho Taipan Industries	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:23:00 - [48] Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: Ginger Magician TNT are scumbags without honour. But dont accept 1v1s unless you are prepared to face multiple enemies. As far as I know there is no honourable 1v1s. The last time I accepted a 1v1 I did not face multiple opponents but the raven pilot I was fighting in my megathron deliberately warped to me at 100km so that I had no chance to catch him before his missiles could fire multiple volleys.Needless to say I didnt lose my ship but he knew he would lose if he had warped in at 15km. That has got to be the lamest excuse ever for saying they are scumbags. Tell me, did you agree on a set fighting distance? If not, then you were just stupid not to specify and he used that to his advantage, and you warped out...in reality, you dishonoured the duel just cause you were poorly prepared. as far as i can tell things got mixed up here. in gingers text the raven story is not directly related to tnt and the insult in the beginning. he just used it as an example for "his last 1on1" and he didnt say it was with tnt. it COULD well be, but he definetly didnt say so. -- Only you can save MMORPGS - Stop whining today!
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:24:00 - [49] Oh and just to say: Palestrina right now IS (thats a fact, not a wish) not guilty of dishonouring a 1v1. Ugluuk, you have left TNT for no reason. And If anyone feels that they need to name and shame for a 'crime' then look towards another alliance, cos if anyone were to dishonour a 1v1, they would be booted by the CEO of the corp, and if they didnt the corp would be. Thats how we stand, and it has been resolved internally. Fancy moaning more, do it my way.
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:26:00 - [50] And ginger - wtf? Can i point out - You popping hundreds of TNT? It doesnt include back 2 years ago, when you popped them in the same sniping spot you're at now, when they were in shuttles. And need i remind you, that whilst your character is skilled, you as a person are not, otherwise you would have gotten out of that stabbed up sniper mega, and actually done something a bit more...hm.......challenging.
Ginger Magician Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:33:00 - [51] A couple of interesting links: Linkagehttp://eve.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Waxau&id=505756&page=1&filter=losses#mail Linkagehttp://eve.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Waxau&id=505757&page=1&filter=losses#mail
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:36:00 - [52] Oh my ginger - You actually pulled up the only two kills youve had against me, after i came back from a 1 month holiday, and i shot the non-flagged pilot. Oh deary me how uber you are Its rather ironic tho isnt it, that the only time you boast about kills, are the ones where it was the pilots idiocy (eg - me shooting vickers, and not you by accident) that actually get you the worthy kills eh? So your successes are my mistakes Beggars cant be choosers i guess eh?
stainedguy Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 16:35:00 - [53] Originally by: Waxau Now this has got me rather ***ed up. Firstly Gudrodur - You and Palestrina had a 1v1. You and him were NOT in our gang. Our gang was the pvp one, palestrina was the npcer. You asked for 1 v 1 vs him. you got it. It is entirely your fault for accepting a duel at a planet. Palestrina didnt even tell us it was a 1 v 1. So maybe next time you should 1. Think where you're going to duel (i suggest a ss). 2. Check your facts. Now ugluuk - im not going to bash you here, but i find it rather childish that you are taking this approach. You should have left this to CEOs to resolve, and not be so immature. And ginger - wtf who are you talking to about lame? Go on a diet, and stop popping 1 week old mission runners. Now, i know for a fact that when i log on today, i will recieve a convo. It will be discussing this issue. Now i will have my say: I was that falcon pilot. And im the one who informed the gang of gudrodurs location. I scanned the planets like any competent pvper does, and found gudrodur - at which point i uncloaked, jammed, and the gang warped in. We do NOT dishonour PvP, 1 v 1s, or anything else. We discourage smacktalk, and we repremand those that do. Now IF there is a situation which has a form of problem, such as this - Then convo myself, or another CEO of the representing corp. Dont be lame and go onto public forums, and flame the entire alliance for one act. Especially when that act is only viewed in a negative way due to a lack of information, and insight. Now i will tell you this: Several alliance members are now upset etc regarding 1. Ugluuk leaving TNT, and 2. Being named and shamed on these forums, just due to gudrodur being a spoilt looser, and having a way to 'vent' his anger. Ofcourse, gudrodur couldnt possibly be posting this in anger, for loosing 2 thanatos, aswell as several Bs in a matter of 10 minutes, out of spite could he? It actually pains me to see members of the eve community posting here in such a disrespecful manner, regarding people they dont know, about a situation they havent been properly informed about, and when half of them are probably contradicting themselves in their own right. Ive had my say, and if anyone here wishes to convo me about what happened, or to flame a member of TNT, come to me. I was gang lead of the gang that popped gudrodurs mega, and come to be to *** about it. Wax off. lol. no wonder Ugluuk left. m0o!
DUFFMANX D-Generation X	Posted - 2006.10.12 16:53:00 - [54] Originally by: Ginger Magician October snow are scumbags without honour. But dont accept 1v1s unless you are prepared to face multiple enemies. Fixed that statement for u ginge Originally by: dimensionZ The biggest threat we ever had was xirtam mining plagioclase in aridia ...
Elliott Manchild omen.	Posted - 2006.10.12 17:18:00 - [55] Edited by: Elliott Manchild on 12/10/2006 17:19:26 Originally by: stainedguy Originally by: Waxau Now this has got me rather ***ed up. Firstly Gudrodur - You and Palestrina had a 1v1. You and him were NOT in our gang. Our gang was the pvp one, palestrina was the npcer. You asked for 1 v 1 vs him. you got it. It is entirely your fault for accepting a duel at a planet. Palestrina didnt even tell us it was a 1 v 1. So maybe next time you should 1. Think where you're going to duel (i suggest a ss). 2. Check your facts. Now ugluuk - im not going to bash you here, but i find it rather childish that you are taking this approach. You should have left this to CEOs to resolve, and not be so immature. And ginger - wtf who are you talking to about lame? Go on a diet, and stop popping 1 week old mission runners. Now, i know for a fact that when i log on today, i will recieve a convo. It will be discussing this issue. Now i will have my say: I was that falcon pilot. And im the one who informed the gang of gudrodurs location. I scanned the planets like any competent pvper does, and found gudrodur - at which point i uncloaked, jammed, and the gang warped in. We do NOT dishonour PvP, 1 v 1s, or anything else. We discourage smacktalk, and we repremand those that do. Now IF there is a situation which has a form of problem, such as this - Then convo myself, or another CEO of the representing corp. Dont be lame and go onto public forums, and flame the entire alliance for one act. Especially when that act is only viewed in a negative way due to a lack of information, and insight. Now i will tell you this: Several alliance members are now upset etc regarding 1. Ugluuk leaving TNT, and 2. Being named and shamed on these forums, just due to gudrodur being a spoilt looser, and having a way to 'vent' his anger. Ofcourse, gudrodur couldnt possibly be posting this in anger, for loosing 2 thanatos, aswell as several Bs in a matter of 10 minutes, out of spite could he? It actually pains me to see members of the eve community posting here in such a disrespecful manner, regarding people they dont know, about a situation they havent been properly informed about, and when half of them are probably contradicting themselves in their own right. Ive had my say, and if anyone here wishes to convo me about what happened, or to flame a member of TNT, come to me. I was gang lead of the gang that popped gudrodurs mega, and come to be to *** about it. Wax off. lol. no wonder Ugluuk left. Agreed :) And before you talk about gud getting annoyed at loosing capital ships/bs actually know the guy before you say that if you actually look at how he plays he isn't scared to loose any ships and never has been. I don't know many guys like him.
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.12 17:27:00 - [56] Edited by: Waxau on 12/10/2006 17:31:33 no - i agree, hes very quick to enter combat, and ill give him kudos for that. However, i dont like it when my friends, alliance members, and gang members are accused of dispicable things, and then everyone else following the persons acusations without hearing the other side. Oh and elliot - what your saying about gud applies to my gang that day. Know the players and situation before you start badmouthing them.
Svabbzor The Kru	Posted - 2006.10.12 17:45:00 - [57] Why are TNT guys calling Gud kid? Warping with a gang in a duel and then calling him kid for making post on forums... :/ Even if it was the "carebears" of your alliance doing it, they're still in the alliance and the alliance will have to take responsible for them. They fly under your flag...
Ugluuk Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.12 17:54:00 - [58] Originally by: Waxau Oh and just to say: Palestrina right now IS (thats a fact, not a wish) not guilty of dishonouring a 1v1. Ugluuk, you have left TNT for no reason. 2006.10.10 03:13:59 ] Palestrina > i wasnt winning [ 2006.10.10 03:14:02 ] Palestrina > but i wasnt in hull [ 2006.10.10 03:14:06 ] Palestrina > and i had killed all his drones [ 2006.10.10 03:14:12 ] Palestrina > and was in warp when my friends showed up [ 2006.10.10 03:14:18 ] Palestrina > then i cancel warp and help killed him He should stopped the incoming gang..He instead dishonored the 1vs1 and stayed to kill him as he wrote himself.. A pilot with honor would taken action and told people to stop, not help them finish a kill he weren`t getting in the beginning. And since his "innocence" is still believed in from those outside Alcatraz i am leaving.. And for those who are so concerned about me speaking freely on eve-o, why have a strong opinion and keep it inside? I dont care if it`s an alliance mate or random pilot, if he dishonor a fight like that he aint a pilot i will be compared too.. Therefore i see my point of view as suitable for Eve-O and the public..
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.12 17:57:00 - [59] we're calling him childish for coming to public forums, moaning, due to an error in his part. No duel agreement was broken, the only problem that occured was that it took place at a planet, where a pvp gang found them fighting, and joined in. No knowledge at the time indicated it was an agreed 1v1. IF it was held at a safespot, or elsewhere, then Gud wouldnt have lost his ship. If he decides to not take precautions, then that is his fault, and his fault alone, and should not be pinned on certain alliance members on public forums, where they have little or no defence. Thats what i personally have a problem with.
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:03:00 - [60] How could he have stopped which he didnt knwo about? He didnt know about the gang coming in. I was gang lead, and we all thought palestrina was docked. And the fact that you're posting an internal matter on these boards, just proves where you're lacking. Sorry folks if i seem offensive, but this event has got me rather riled
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:11:00 - [61] Ok folks, the issue has been fully settled now, and so i wont be posting here again. Sorry again for any 'flameage' and insulting, as it wasnt my purpose. Fly safe all, and see you in hagilur gingie
cytomatrix Caldari Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:17:00 - [62] Originally by: Waxau How could he have stopped which he didnt knwo about? He didnt know about the gang coming in. I was gang lead, and we all thought palestrina was docked. And the fact that you're posting an internal matter on these boards, just proves where you're lacking. Sorry folks if i seem offensive, but this event has got me rather riled Its ok mate. We all know about you and your previous alliance. :D I personally dont believe in Duels except on test server for testing purposes. ______________________________________________________________
Ugluuk Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:25:00 - [63] Originally by: Waxau How could he have stopped which he didnt knwo about? He didnt know about the gang coming in. I was gang lead, and we all thought palestrina was docked. And the fact that you're posting an internal matter on these boards, just proves where you're lacking. Sorry folks if i seem offensive, but this event has got me rather riled I just let you read this one more time 2006.10.10 03:14:12 ] Palestrina > and was in warp when my friends showed up [ 2006.10.10 03:14:18 ] Palestrina > then i cancel warp and help killed him If he had time to stop his warp..Get in range again and help kill him he should had enough time to yell STOP STOP STOP in local.. It was an agreed 1vs1 2006.10.10 01:16:17 ] Ugluuk > did he invite to a 1vs1? 2006.10.10 01:17:16 ] Palestrina > yes he did 2006.10.10 01:17:23 ] Ugluuk > did you accept? 2006.10.10 01:18:22 ] Palestrina > yes 2006.10.10 01:18:25 ] Palestrina > and i met him at planet [ 2006.10.10 01:18:35 ] Ugluuk > how did the other guys come in then [ 2006.10.10 01:18:46 ] Ugluuk > they shouldn`t been there if it was a 1vs1 [ 2006.10.10 01:18:52 ] Palestrina > they hwere in local [ 2006.10.10 01:18:56 ] Palestrina > we just killedhim once I believe that says it all..Palestrina is the one to blame for dishonoring and i got no problem filtering him out alone cause he is the one to blame, not TnT
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:37:00 - [64] Well i suggest you actually realise what happened, and actually listen to you 'ex-alliance mates' and hear their side. But as i said, i should stop posting:P Ps - what happened to my old alliance
Ben Hump Minmatar The Kru	Posted - 2006.10.12 20:36:00 - [65] TnT a slap on the wrist that is bad and hope u take the actions needed gud is a great pvper and should be treated like one and waxau only thing i can hear from u is "buhu where's my bottle buhu" May contain traces of irony, period and enter do not belong on my keyboard "Yes Mister Tristan"
eve warrior Minmatar Serial Killers	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:03:00 - [66] Its hard that you have to judge a whole allaince on the actions of afew ppl. You should rather convo the head of the allaince and let him know what members in his allaince have done and let him deal with it before coming onto the forums and crying. If you let the ppl in charge know and they DONT do anything, then come and cry to your hearts content on the forums. Anyone that agrees to a 1v1 and does not keep his word should be dealt with as its one of the lowest things that can be done in eve. Good pvp is rare these days and ppl like that just screw it up for others. I have flowen with members of Altz and they are a very honorable corp. Eve warrior
OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:34:00 - [67] Originally by: Gudrodur Edited by: Gudrodur on 11/10/2006 18:53:15 Originally by: Ugluuk Since Palestrina aren`t booted and he support this kind of behaviour im leaving the alliance for my own benefit.. TnT and especially Alcatraz has been great for the last 3 months.. Many great pilots and possibly the best solo pilot in Eve (Gauss Belloid) learned me lots of good stuff to take with me.. Coronna is the CEO i wished i could been..A great man who got my vote for Eve personality of the year.. Please dont judge TnT for 1 single members actions..The rest of them are great people.. Got the list Gudro..Gonna pay my agent a visit to try and reimburse you fast.. Hi Ugluuk my old frinde ! The isk is no issue her and I do not need it. Wish u Luke in EVE and fly safe BTW if u need new corp talk to me :) Having Ugluuk in FZN would be secks!! :D Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:39:00 - [68] and ben - you can flame/smack me as much as you like but doesnt really effect me Just here to stick up for a friend and alliance mate. so there *Waxau sucks his bottle, of vodka
Ezok Lyrad Minmatar SANDMADI EXPLORATION AND EXTRACTION KOMPANY	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:50:00 - [69] Originally by: Gudrodur Edited by: Gudrodur on 10/10/2006 00:31:53 I know that there is one thing in eve that is sacred to any player, the only currency out there except for isk, people that do not keep their word are the lowest form of life in eve and RL, I'm sure you know what I mean so I say to you all in eve that this action needs to be punished. . Well first off life in eve is nothing like life in RL. Keeping ones word in Eve when it gives you a disadvantage is stupid. In RL too one keeps his word only while it gives him some sort of advantage. In eve or RL if one needs to break a word given to a stranger and it helps preserves ones own assets and if the stranger is no longer of use to you and if the forsakening of this poor sob does not tarnish your standing with others that give you advantage then breaking one's word is not only honorable but necessary for ones own survival. YOu just keep giving your word and keeping it even if you are to die or lose much and soon you will be dead, broke or both and no one will care or bother to remember you! ******************************************************* *******************************************************
Ben Hump Minmatar The Kru	Posted - 2006.10.12 22:54:00 - [70] Originally by: Waxau and ben - you can flame/smack me as much as you like but doesnt really effect me Just here to stick up for a friend and alliance mate. so there *Waxau sucks his bottle, of vodka its still true dont care what u think about it May contain traces of irony, period and enter do not belong on my keyboard "Yes Mister Tristan"
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.12 23:43:00 - [71] Good, cos i dont care what you think about what i think. What i think is what i want to think, and if you think you can change how i think, then i think you're thinking in a rather bizarre way, and personally i think you should stop trying.... Think i should get a life *Waxau goes to Alldays
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.12 23:46:00 - [72] Well Props to Ugluuk for taking a stand here.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2006.10.13 11:44:00 - [73] Originally by: Ezok Lyrad YOu just keep giving your word and keeping it even if you are to die or lose much and soon you will be dead, broke or both and no one will care or bother to remember you! Weird, people from previous MMO's still remember me because I was a nice guy and if I said or promised something, they knew I would come through (their words). Meanwhile, they've pretty much forgotten all but the worst people that only did things to their own advantage. At the end of the day the only rock hard item you have in a MMO is your reputation. I prefer to keep mine intact even if it's going to cost ISK and ships. Of course, being careful with which deals and agreements you agree to helps to limit the damage.
port22 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.10.13 11:52:00 - [74] a couple of points people should mull over.... its a computer game, who gives a rats ass about honour in rl if your getting beaten up by someone else, your mates are there to back you up and help... and if they arent , you wish they were. honour in combat... there is no such fecking thing people. there may have been in the past during gentlemans wars, but its a principle idiots hold onto that someone will have 'honour' when they engage you. in RL if you are at war or cornered, you do whatever is neccesary to win.... i have no problem with someone getting ganked by 10 ppl in an organised 1v1. 1v1's are for retards, they prove absolutely feck all as ppl can kit against you if they know what you fly, and where your skills sit. and why should i or anyone else honour a 1v1 anyway, feck i just want to kill 'insert person here', anyhow, anywho.. dont like it feck off and move on and stop whining.. -signed happy troll and oh, ganked that palestrina fellow a while back in uphallant on the gates with a few corp mates, poor fellows domi didnt stand a chance XD
Hehulk FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.13 12:01:00 - [75] Originally by: DUFFMANX Originally by: Ginger Magician October snow are scumbags without honour. But dont accept 1v1s unless you are prepared to face multiple enemies. Fixed that statement for u ginge There's got to be a word to describe how pwn'd that is, but pwn'd is all I can think of. ---------- Please choose one signature image, as per the forum rules. - Teblin
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.13 14:45:00 - [76] Its sad how no one want to 1v1 me most of the time, because they cant trust anyone anymore. i think there should be a 1v1 Honour Board for those in eve that can be trusted. Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
LK52 Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:27:00 - [77] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Its sad how no one want to 1v1 me most of the time, because they cant trust anyone anymore. i think there should be a 1v1 Honour Board for those in eve that can be trusted. I rather like that idea. Could throw up a website and compile everyone that says they would honor a 1v1. make a list or osmething and a search engine so whenever somone asks you to 1v1 and can just search for the name on said website to see if they're on it. And if anyone on the list ever breaks their word they could be thrown on a blacklist or something. meh sounds fun -------------------------------------------------- Neglect leads to perfection. Stained.
DogWithMeat Cruor Frater Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.10.13 23:13:00 - [78] Originally by: stainedguy Originally by: Waxau Now this has got me rather ***ed up. Firstly Gudrodur - You and Palestrina had a 1v1. You and him were NOT in our gang. Our gang was the pvp one, palestrina was the npcer. You asked for 1 v 1 vs him. you got it. It is entirely your fault for accepting a duel at a planet. Palestrina didnt even tell us it was a 1 v 1. So maybe next time you should 1. Think where you're going to duel (i suggest a ss). 2. Check your facts. Now ugluuk - im not going to bash you here, but i find it rather childish that you are taking this approach. You should have left this to CEOs to resolve, and not be so immature. And ginger - wtf who are you talking to about lame? Go on a diet, and stop popping 1 week old mission runners. Now, i know for a fact that when i log on today, i will recieve a convo. It will be discussing this issue. Now i will have my say: I was that falcon pilot. And im the one who informed the gang of gudrodurs location. I scanned the planets like any competent pvper does, and found gudrodur - at which point i uncloaked, jammed, and the gang warped in. We do NOT dishonour PvP, 1 v 1s, or anything else. We discourage smacktalk, and we repremand those that do. Now IF there is a situation which has a form of problem, such as this - Then convo myself, or another CEO of the representing corp. Dont be lame and go onto public forums, and flame the entire alliance for one act. Especially when that act is only viewed in a negative way due to a lack of information, and insight. Now i will tell you this: Several alliance members are now upset etc regarding 1. Ugluuk leaving TNT, and 2. Being named and shamed on these forums, just due to gudrodur being a spoilt looser, and having a way to 'vent' his anger. Ofcourse, gudrodur couldnt possibly be posting this in anger, for loosing 2 thanatos, aswell as several Bs in a matter of 10 minutes, out of spite could he? It actually pains me to see members of the eve community posting here in such a disrespecful manner, regarding people they dont know, about a situation they havent been properly informed about, and when half of them are probably contradicting themselves in their own right. Ive had my say, and if anyone here wishes to convo me about what happened, or to flame a member of TNT, come to me. I was gang lead of the gang that popped gudrodurs mega, and come to be to *** about it. Wax off. lol. no wonder Ugluuk left. ROFL ! Indeed. Well Well Well, Gud called me up to check the threads and I got only as far as this. Beeing a falcon pilot Waxau I need to remind you that you are really really NOT the type of pilot to burn other pilots about finding themselves more challenging ship types, REALLY. Second I know for a fact that Gudrodur did not start this thread cause he was upset about anything else than exactly what happened there and then, when... Waxau YOU did not check YOUR facts in the begining to check whats up but instead engaged someone in a CLEAR 1 vs 1 fight on a stinking planet with noone around and no sos ( I personally think that since Gud was kicking that other guys ass so hard that he panicked and called for help and you came and are trying to lie youre way out of it now). If I could vomit acid in youre face I¦d do so btw thats how low I think of youre responses so far. Gudrodur Is one of the best pvpers on most ship type out there and often goes outnumbered in fights and prevails, the original and forthmost point he liked to make in the beginning of this thread is the bottom line: YOu cannot trust people under the flag of TNT never mind that this sole act was done by a few unintelligent entities. Ugluuk left TNT cause of this and there has to be a reason. Ugluuk is the man btw. They said for axamle they¦d pay back the megathron (probably to look better for the time beeing) but never did. TNT trust me when I say youre Image has been smeared with disgust.....
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.13 23:17:00 - [79] Edited by: Waxau on 13/10/2006 23:24:32 Hehe - well no one has said gudrodur is a bad pvper. All i am doing is sticking by my friends, alliance mates, and fellow pilots. Smear 'disgust' in my face if you wish, but ill stick by my mates. Ugluuk is not the man as he is leaving his friends over false facts and poor judgement. Flame me, smack me, insult me, hell call my mother names if ya want. Wont stop my opinions, and what i think As for my ship - a ship doesnt dictate how a pilot flies etc. Hey its a falcon. I fly a raven. Gonna call me a carebearing missile spamming noob? Oh, and so palestrina and gudrodur were at a planet. You're telling me you've never used a planet as a warp point for an insta? Hostile in system....you dont know where he is. Would you warp to a gate without being on insta? no. Would you warp to a gate to warp to the correlating gate? nope - could be hostiles there. I know not the reason they were there, i just engaged. But hey - flame all you want. Its a game, and if 'honour' can exist in a game, then none was broken in this event. But if you dont like the true story, im sure a fictional one will serve your purposes just as well eh? Ugluuk has left for a reason yes. Hes insulted many members of the alliance and put the alliance second compared to those outside the alliance. I dont know about anyone else, but im not going to fly with someone i dont trust. Im not going to put my ship, or skills in the hands of someone who would so readily turn his back on me. Im pretty sure ugluuk had no other option available than to leave given how he acted on public forums.
Kindakrof Caldari Cruor Frater Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.10.13 23:25:00 - [80] Originally by: Waxau Edited by: Waxau on 13/10/2006 23:20:56 Hehe - well no one has said gudrodur is a bad pvper. All i am doing is sticking by my friends, alliance mates, and fellow pilots. Smear 'disgust' in my face if you wish, but ill stick by my mates. Ugluuk is not the man as he is leaving his friends over false facts and poor judgement. Flame me, smack me, insult me, hell call my mother names if ya want. Wont stop my opinions, and what i think As for my ship - a ship doesnt dictate how a pilot flies etc. Hey its a falcon. I fly a raven. Gonna call me a carebearing missile spamming noob? Oh, and so palestrina and gudrodur were at a planet. You're telling me you've never used a planet as a warp point for an insta? Hostile in system....you dont know where he is. Would you warp to a gate without being on insta? no. Would you warp to a gate to warp to the correlating gate? nope - could be hostiles there. I know not the reason they were there, i just engaged. But hey - flame all you want. Its a game, and if 'honour' can exist in a game, then none was broken in this event. But if you dont like the true story, im sure a fictional one will serve your purposes just as well eh? Learn this. THERE AINT NO EXCUSE FOR BREAKING A 1v1! oh and if you can't learn it, get help --- --- --- my sig is pr0
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.13 23:27:00 - [81] Edited by: Waxau on 13/10/2006 23:30:47 oh believe me ive complained many a time for broken 1v1. And i shall say honestly that i never have broken a 1v1. I am not making an excuse here, and id put everything i have on eve to prove that. But for the likes of you, who are pulling every trick out of the hat to corrupt TNTs image, i wouldnt even put 1 isk down. Not worth it imo. If you believe we broke a 1v1, then go ahead, think that. But im far from caring now
InzanityFO Caldari Br4ins	Posted - 2006.10.14 00:40:00 - [82] Here's what I think... Lets say that you didn't know about the 1v1... You scan the planets and find a target, you engage and destroy it... That is all fair and square... but then you hear that it was a one on one, with no interferance ofc. Thats a fact that you cant deny. You made an error that you cant be blamed for, but after hearing that it was an arranged fight between two pilots dont you think that its appropriate to refund Gudrodur, just to keep your reputation? Thats what i would do...
Maddi Cruor Frater	Posted - 2006.10.14 01:29:00 - [83] Edited by: Maddi on 14/10/2006 01:29:45 Well there is no doubt that a 1 vs 1 was dishonored here but from what I hear it¦s Palestrinas foult for not stopping the gang that warped in. ppl saying honor is worth nothing ingame and in rl are so mistaken as most ppl know I hope. oh and btw Ugluuk 4tw
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.10.14 01:56:00 - [84] Edited by: Ugluuk on 14/10/2006 01:56:16 Originally by: Waxau Edited by: Waxau on 13/10/2006 23:24:32 Im pretty sure ugluuk had no other option available than to leave given how he acted on public forums. I had more requests of staying than leaving tbh..The ones who wanted me out where those who dont set honor first and thankfully there aren`t many of those.. (now try to find a way to say how many who wanted me out) If you want i can come back tommorow and tell it to you in alliance chat.. I did not set the alliance second..I sat it first..how? I chose to let Palestrina take the whole blame instead of the whole alliance..And after my post people also focused correctly on just him and not the alliance as the dishonorable one.. For those of you who still dont understand what Palestrina did wrong i will explain again: He dishonored the fight by stopping warp when his friends came and help kill gudro instead of stopping and telling people to back off.. If he had honor he would said STOP in local or on TS and admitted defeat.. I stand by what i did and would do it again in another alliance if someone try to destroy my alliances reputation by using dirty tricks like cheating in a 1vs1.. Waxau, to see how important your corp is to the alliance i digged dup some stats: The last 6 months your corp have done damage for: Damage done (ISK): 3763.844M While in my 3 weeks of pvp i did: Damage done (ISK): 1058.464M And that was my solo kills..Now get off the forum and start doing something for your alliance.. Signature image removed, please edit out the profanity before using it again - Immy : [email protected]
Elliott Manchild omen.	Posted - 2006.10.14 02:36:00 - [85] Originally by: DogWithMeat Edited by: DogWithMeat on 13/10/2006 23:32:41 If I could vomit acid in your face I¦d do so BTW that's how low I think of your responses so far. rofl
Varelse Wiggin Minmatar Sector 7	Posted - 2006.10.14 03:38:00 - [86] Originally by: Ezok Lyrad Originally by: Gudrodur Edited by: Gudrodur on 10/10/2006 00:31:53 I know that there is one thing in eve that is sacred to any player, the only currency out there except for isk, people that do not keep their word are the lowest form of life in eve and RL, I'm sure you know what I mean so I say to you all in eve that this action needs to be punished. . Well first off life in eve is nothing like life in RL. Keeping ones word in Eve when it gives you a disadvantage is stupid. In RL too one keeps his word only while it gives him some sort of advantage. In eve or RL if one needs to break a word given to a stranger and it helps preserves ones own assets and if the stranger is no longer of use to you and if the forsakening of this poor sob does not tarnish your standing with others that give you advantage then breaking one's word is not only honorable but necessary for ones own survival. YOu just keep giving your word and keeping it even if you are to die or lose much and soon you will be dead, broke or both and no one will care or bother to remember you! You're a sad little man.
Red Ochre	Posted - 2006.10.14 03:50:00 - [87] Originally by: port22 a couple of points people should mull over.... its a computer game, who gives a rats ass about honour in rl if your getting beaten up by someone else, your mates are there to back you up and help... and if they arent , you wish they were. honour in combat... there is no such fecking thing people. there may have been in the past during gentlemans wars, but its a principle idiots hold onto that someone will have 'honour' when they engage you. in RL if you are at war or cornered, you do whatever is neccesary to win.... i have no problem with someone getting ganked by 10 ppl in an organised 1v1. 1v1's are for retards, they prove absolutely feck all as ppl can kit against you if they know what you fly, and where your skills sit. and why should i or anyone else honour a 1v1 anyway, feck i just want to kill 'insert person here', anyhow, anywho.. dont like it feck off and move on and stop whining.. -signed happy troll and oh, ganked that palestrina fellow a while back in uphallant on the gates with a few corp mates, poor fellows domi didnt stand a chance XD here is a point for you to mull over. we make a deal in "rl" and you screw me over, you are going to pay with your a or with what we agreed on. and just so you understand tard, its a game and not rl, people understand that, apparently you do not and needed to make a statement to the contrary to support your whine. who gives a squak what you think is right or honorable? the thread isnt about that, it's also not about what needs to be done to win or what your EMO** point of view on what combat is or should be in your eyes is about. its about a simple agreement, one that was broken, that seems to have been settled, now go cut yourself or something if you want attention.
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:48:00 - [88] yeah, see ugluuk - the fact that 1. ive been inactive and 2. Im the only one from my corp whos been bothered to post their kills doesnt tell ya something eh? Again get your god damn facts right before you go ranting on the forum, and oh wait - i was gonna say do something for your alliance, but you left them in the dust. Nubtard
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.10.14 15:59:00 - [89] Originally by: Waxau i was gonna say do something for your alliance, but you left them in the dust. Nubtard So because i left no one can clear up the mess and kick incompetent nubs? I take that as a compliment..Thanx But i know Alcatraz got what it takes to sort it out.. And just so you know, it stopped being my alliance when small worthless corporations like Liberty Rogues and Paradox said yes to keeping a dishonorable pilot.. Wonder who harmed the alliance most..me or you.. I will let the public figure that out themselfes.. Signature image removed, please edit out the profanity before using it again - Immy : [email protected]
Billy Hardcore	Posted - 2006.10.14 16:01:00 - [90] waxau youve taken it from your alliance looking good about this whole thing, to them looking like total douchebags good job
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.14 16:09:00 - [91] Right now, im caring only for this pilots reputation. Nothing more. Im not having an innocent pilot being treated like crap, because another person from a rival corp accuses him of dishonouring a 1v1, and then gets some alliance mate to vouche for him. I dont know about anyone else, but i would take my alliance mates words over a hostile corp. Not that i dont trust them, not that they arent good people, but just because i trust my alliance mates more. Yet some people like ugluuk dont do stuff like that by the looks of things, and just throws spanners in the works. But yet again, people flame be for standing by an alliance mate. Great community ^^
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.14 16:12:00 - [92] And in my eyes ugluuk youre the incompitent one. You have to get on the forums, backstab alliance mates, and kick up a fuss for no reason. Fine, i wont come back to this thread, and let it die. If im remembered by you ugluuk as incompitent and my corp, well so be it. When you're next in low sec give us incompitent folks a shout, and we'll 'talk' about it. Till then, seeya
stainedguy Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:42:00 - [93] Originally by: Waxau Right now, im caring only for this pilots reputation. Nothing more. Im not having an innocent pilot being treated like crap, because another person from a rival corp accuses him of dishonouring a 1v1, and then gets some alliance mate to vouche for him. I dont know about anyone else, but i would take my alliance mates words over a hostile corp. Not that i dont trust them, not that they arent good people, but just because i trust my alliance mates more. Yet some people like ugluuk dont do stuff like that by the looks of things, and just throws spanners in the works. But yet again, people flame be for standing by an alliance mate. Great community ^^ Ignorance is bliss... m0o!
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.14 20:36:00 - [94] Edited by: Sokratesz on 14/10/2006 20:37:00 I know nothing of the incident except from what i heard from my own alliance and im sure that must be biased in some way. What i do know is that alot of people here are taking this game way too serious. I've had a 1v1 go sour on me too (as in, being the victim) before i joined TnT but in the end.... ..it's a game, get over it. ...

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