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CCP Lebowski C C P C C P Alliance 477	Posted - 2015.02.26 17:15:03 - [1] - Quote Greetings Capsuleers, After today's Singularity update you may notice a new tab in the corporation interface called '--New Roles--'. This tab represents the next step in Team Five 0's ongoing corporation work, a reworking of the UI surrounding roles, titles and access controls! The main features of this UI change are as follows: Roles and Station Service Permissions have been rolled into one window to reduce the number of management screens. The combined view is now called Permissions. Role and Title names will now be displayed vertically to save space (Allowing all roles to be displayed in a smaller window) Roles and Grantable roles are now handled by a single tristate checkbox (No Role, Role, Role + Grantable). Access controls have now been reduced to a one page matrix Adding a filter option to role management, making it easier to filter based on player name, roles etc. As well as these UI changes we're also doing our best to fix various bugs surrounding this area of corp management, hopefully making the whole experience more stable and less frustrating. It should be made clear straight away that this is purely a cosmetic change at this time, and while we believe that this will go some way towards improving the experience of corporation management, we're aware that this is by no means a final fix for roles and the interface surrounding them. In other words, we're not done here, so as always keep an eye out for more corp related things from Five 0 in the future! Note that this new role UI will NOT be released in Scylla, but instead will be in a future release. We're bringing this to Singularity as soon as possible to be able to get as much public testing & feedback as possible. To that effect we encourage you to get onto the test server, test out the new interface! As usual please report any bugs found using the ingame tool (F12 -> Report Bug), and leave any feedback you may have in this thread. As usual, I'll add/remove known issues from this post as they are found/fixed. Known Issues Assigning a role you have as grantable does not work. Roles you cannot grant are not greyed out. Features not yet implemented Vertical Column Names Filtering Thanks for reading and happy testing, CCP Lebowski \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Five-0 @CCP_Lebowski

Ayeson Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 531	Posted - 2015.02.27 00:48:23 - [2] - Quote I'm going to patch SiSi tonight just to take a look at this. Thanks for the hard work! I GÖÑ the orthrus
Absent Sentry 9	Posted - 2015.02.27 02:42:11 - [3] - Quote There should be horizontal scroll bars to make the window easier to work with and expose otherwise "hidden" columns. Whether the window's width is constrained by the client's resolution or simply shrunk to a smaller size, having columns that can't be manipulated or which go completely unnoticed is no good. Adding horizontal scroll bars would not only make it possible to manipulate those columns with smaller windows, but also indicate that more columns are there in the first place. It's possible to work around this by shrinking the columns themselves or expanding the window beyond the width of the screen by dragging it partially off screen, but neither is indicative of good usability and you have to know the columns exist in the first place to even try that.
Altrue Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 1625	Posted - 2015.02.27 06:44:17 - [4] - Quote This facelift is interesting! Tooltips makes it more intuitive than expected, and it somehow looks cleaner. However. What am I going to do with such facelift? I'm the CEO of a corporation nearing the 400 members mark, that's not even close to the biggest corporations. Do you expect me to manually manage each and every member's rights ONE BY ONE ?? Also the facelifted --New Roles-- tab freezes periodically when scrolling through the list of members, making the task even harder. You'd tell me, but Altrue, simply sort alphabetically and you can browse your list by using the vertical slider... Wrong! The list only shows a handful (maybe 30) members. If you want to see more, you need to hit the bottom and wait for the window to freeze and load new names, then repeat. Furthermore, the sort by Name doesn't work, it does mess with the order but I'm getting odd results. For instance here, taking the only first letter of each member : "W, then N, then D, then E, then L, A, W..." If I reverse the sort by name, I get "L, G, Y, B, A, N..." So yeah, a UI facelift is always welcome, and I recognize the work it takes to modify the corporation code... But so far I don't see any corp of more than 10 members use it. Signature Tanking Best Tanking

CCP Punkturis C C P C C P Alliance 5673	Posted - 2015.02.27 08:46:40 - [5] - Quote Other known issues: - You can only see the first 50 members in your corp (paging hasn't been implemented) - Sorting by column headers doesn't work GÖÑ EVE Brogrammer GÖÑ Team Five 0 GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis GÖÑ


CCP Punkturis C C P C C P Alliance 5673	Posted - 2015.02.27 08:47:16 - [6] - Quote Absent Sentry wrote: There should be horizontal scroll bars to make the window easier to work with and expose otherwise "hidden" columns. Whether the window's width is constrained by the client's resolution or simply shrunk to a smaller size, having columns that can't be manipulated or which go completely unnoticed is no good. Adding horizontal scroll bars would not only make it possible to manipulate those columns with smaller windows, but also indicate that more columns are there in the first place. It's possible to work around this by shrinking the columns themselves or expanding the window beyond the width of the screen by dragging it partially off screen, but neither is indicative of good usability and you have to know the columns exist in the first place to even try that. when we've made the column headers vertical, we won't need a horizontal scrollbar because then the list will fit in min resolution screen GÖÑ EVE Brogrammer GÖÑ Team Five 0 GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis GÖÑ

Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 779	Posted - 2015.02.27 21:04:18 - [7] - Quote Thank you for fixing this stuff, it is huge for some of us. Next up, fix starbase config? When setting up new corps, this was always the biggest hurdle. And I have no idea how people do it without an Xttz guiding them.
Amak Boma Dragon Factory 78	Posted - 2015.02.27 21:15:00 - [8] - Quote sisi launcher is still crashing with same errors. so im unable to even aptch it . repair.exe is trying to treat sisi like TQ and patch it to tranquility
Absent Sentry 9	Posted - 2015.02.27 23:15:15 - [9] - Quote CCP Punkturis wrote: Absent Sentry wrote: There should be horizontal scroll bars to make the window easier to work with and expose otherwise "hidden" columns. Whether the window's width is constrained by the client's resolution or simply shrunk to a smaller size, having columns that can't be manipulated or which go completely unnoticed is no good. Adding horizontal scroll bars would not only make it possible to manipulate those columns with smaller windows, but also indicate that more columns are there in the first place. It's possible to work around this by shrinking the columns themselves or expanding the window beyond the width of the screen by dragging it partially off screen, but neither is indicative of good usability and you have to know the columns exist in the first place to even try that. when we've made the column headers vertical, we won't need a horizontal scrollbar because then the list will fit in min resolution screen Neat, thanks. I see now this is mentioned in the OP, sorry for misunderstanding it.
Bellanea Rajanir Poseidaon 53	Posted - 2015.03.23 22:48:12 - [10] - Quote Absent Sentry wrote: There should be horizontal scroll bars to make the window easier to work with and expose otherwise "hidden" columns. Whether the window's width is constrained by the client's resolution or simply shrunk to a smaller size, having columns that can't be manipulated or which go completely unnoticed is no good. Adding horizontal scroll bars would not only make it possible to manipulate those columns with smaller windows, but also indicate that more columns are there in the first place. It's possible to work around this by shrinking the columns themselves or expanding the window beyond the width of the screen by dragging it partially off screen, but neither is indicative of good usability and you have to know the columns exist in the first place to even try that. maybe its time to make some icons for roles and popups when mouse over them?
Hexatron Ormand Aperture Deep Space Eternal Pretorian Alliance 88	Posted - 2015.03.24 19:52:12 - [11] - Quote This new list/overview for roles, does not show the ones granted through titels. Is that wanted? Currently all of the roles are granted through titels in my coporation. I spent a great deal of time working them out. I hope some sort of group or titel system is coming as well. Right now i only see my directors having any rights in this new window, all other members show as not having any, even though they do. So in my current corporations situation, this nice window/overview is quite usless, as it doesn't show me anything, as it seems to be unable to read out roles granted through titles.

CCP Lebowski C C P C C P Alliance 519	Posted - 2015.04.01 14:16:17 - [12] - Quote Hexatron Ormand wrote: This new list/overview for roles, does not show the ones granted through titels. Is that wanted? Currently all of the roles are granted through titels in my coporation. I spent a great deal of time working them out. I hope some sort of group or titel system is coming as well. Right now i only see my directors having any rights in this new window, all other members show as not having any, even though they do. So in my current corporations situation, this nice window/overview is quite usless, as it doesn't show me anything, as it seems to be unable to read out roles granted through titles. Thanks for testing this out and reporting this. So as I understand it, what you are saying is that the new roles tab doesn't display roles given through titles? As far as I can see, this has always been the case (the current role window also doesn't have the functionality you are suggesting). It could additionally lead to problems with where you can add or remove roles. e.g. Are they locked when provided through titles or can they be changed? This may be something for a later iteration but wont be changing now. CCP Lebowski \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Five-0 @CCP_Lebowski

Altrue Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 1700	Posted - 2015.04.01 15:49:12 - [13] - Quote Sorry to say this, but only bad CEOs/Directors avoid using titles to grant their roles. All this work should've been put to titles first as its the most useful thing. Signature Tanking Best Tanking Exploration Frontier Inc [Ex-F] CEO - BRAVE - Eve-guides.fr
Lil' Brudder Too Pistols for Pandas 116	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:21:07 - [14] - Quote Any way you could make the row's adjustable vertically...as atm nearly all the titles fade off the top...
Soldarius Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent 1225	Posted - 2015.04.02 02:06:41 - [15] - Quote So, yeah. Considering this is only a cosmetic update, I'll restrict myself to only reviewing the actual interface. Being able to access everything from one major tab makes the management of roles a bit more intuitive and certainly simplifies things. Having the big buttons for the various areas attention to this area, encouraging the user to click and explore. At first I was a bit consternated by the small text size of the roles and such. But mouse-overing them brought up a tool tip that showed the roles in much bigger and easier to read pop-ups, which were fine. I'm concerned about the huge amount of vertical space required for a 3x3 grid for every player in Access Roles. As long as we have huge corporations, it will become a massive list with a huge amount of vertical scrolling. But if vertical scrolling is the worst of my concerns, then we're in good shape. The most important point is that there is no way in the new interface to assign roles to each title. We can assign a title to a player. But not roles to a title. This is mandatory and cannot be left out. From a strictly cosmetic standpoint, I say +1. Looks better. ITs more intuitive and organized. But lacks the needed title management functionality. Overall a step in the right direction. I'm a bit concerned about how well this will work once roles themselves get revamped. But I think it should be robust enough to serve unless the entire system gets completely rebuilt from the ground up. Here's hoping that doesn't break everything. vOv http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Jason Bouchard Occisio Unus Apparatus 5	Posted - 2015.04.02 03:45:01 - [16] - Quote Set up a one-man test corp to check out the new UI. Obviously being only one person I couldn't fiddle around too much, but I want to echo what many of the people before me have said about integrating this new UI with the titles tab. Since I'm pretty sure that most corp leaders predominantly use titles over the actual roles window, it would ironically be more useful to put the new UI in the titles tab than the roles tab, if you could only do one or the other. That being said, please do both! Or else! Although I have none of my own statistics to back me up on this, I'm sure you CCP devs can whip some of your own up one way or another! I imagine it wouldn't be too hard to transfer this UI to the titles, just replace the area taken up by the member's name with the title name and off you go! In tandem with this, the member list, when you use the assign roles window, should also display titles. In case people have lots of titles, maybe the first one or two right underneath the name, have an ellipsis afterwards, and then the full list available via a tooltip. The checkboxes in the new UI (if they don't already, someone with more research check this for me) should then have their status automatically update to reflect what a member's titles grant him/her. This way a CEO or director can easily look and say, "Okay, here are all my members. Here's Jason Bouchard. He has Titles A, B, C, and so on... and together this gives him query access to these hangars; query, take, and container access to these other hangars; etc., etc."
Quintessen Messengers of Judah 491	Posted - 2015.04.03 04:15:52 - [17] - Quote Please, please, please add information to the header tooltips that clearly explains what that permission does. The names are fairly generic and what exactly each one does and what you need to do various things isn't at all clear. When I hover over "Rent Factory" it should tell me exactly what I'm allowing that person to do. Also now that you're using vertical names, please expand "Config Equipment" and "Config Starbase" to "Configure Equipment" and "Configure Starbase" Things that are definitely not obvious at first glance what precisely they allow someone to do: Accountant Auditor Communications Officer Director Junior Accountant Personnel Manager Factory Manager Rent Factory Rent Research Security Officer Starbase Manager vs. Config Starbase Trader
Caldari 5 D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S 378	Posted - 2015.04.03 16:47:17 - [18] - Quote CCP Punkturis wrote: Other known issues: - You can only see the first 50 members in your corp (paging hasn't been implemented) - Sorting by column headers doesn't work Here's another one to add to that list, Corp members past the 13th are invisible, however you can rightclick and show info to find out who they are. http://i.imgur.com/jCB0Uw2.png
Caldari 5 D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S 378	Posted - 2015.04.03 17:01:06 - [19] - Quote Just noticed that I can't resize the name Column and it doesn't give the character name in full if you hover over it. Can we please have at least one of these, preferably the first one. Especially helpful for figuring out which is which: Extremely long character name Extremely long character n4me Extremely long character nam3 Extremely long charmander Extremely long chameleon when they all look like: Extremely long cha And the first 3 are one player and the next 2 are completely different players.
Centurax Dracos Dozen Unsettled. 64	Posted - 2015.04.07 13:50:00 - [20] - Quote The new UI is an improvement to the old, less pages to sort through nice work. There is a tool tip on the "Access" panel that shows the meaning of the 3 check box states, which doesn't seem to be implemented on the other panels, this is a useful tool tip to have on the other panels. on the "Permissions" and the "Station Services" panel it would be useful to have some kind of explanation as to what each column allows the member to do. e.g. Starbase Fuel Technician: Can access starbase fuel bays. It would be useful to have some detail here. it would be useful to have unused titles to be filtered out of the "Groups" panel to make it easier to read. So any title that has "Untitled" and nothing checked would be removed from the list. Would make it easier to read and use. Note: for Title Management section when that gets worked on not having a long list of unused Titles would be nice and also the ability to add a small description of what that title does. Would be useful to highlight the CEO and Directors in some way by using a highlight color. Is it possible to get a sub grouping for members with multiple Alts to make it easy to keep track of those members and assign roles to them. For example if Pilot A has Alts B and C, they all join the corp I can then create a group called Pilot A and add Alts B and C to it, then if anyone comes along later they will know that Alts B and C belong to Pilot A and can assign/remove roles to them at the same time. Is it possible to have a notes section, just because it is sometimes helpful to make notes.

CCP Punkturis C C P C C P Alliance 5678	Posted - 2015.04.08 09:51:54 - [21] - Quote thank you all for your feedback. we've been improving things based on it (for example adding a hint to the name column displaying the whole name and adding the hint to all of the tabs on how the tristate checkboxes work) and more incoming! GÖÑ EVE Brogrammer GÖÑ Team Five 0 GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis GÖÑ

Nana Skalski Poseidaon 75	Posted - 2015.04.08 09:54:19 - [22] - Quote CCP Punkturis wrote: thank you all for your feedback. we've been improving things based on it (for example adding a hint to the name column displaying the whole name and adding the hint to all of the tabs on how the tristate checkboxes work) and more incoming! http://issuu.com/gregory45/docs/roles Would you consider to make icons for roles like these, and then the hints for them?
lateralvelocity Hydra Logistics 0	Posted - 2015.04.08 10:39:52 - [23] - Quote an autoboot function for members inactive over a certain adjustable period of time would br VERY helpfull. Save alot of bloated corp messes that turn into unsurmountabe mountains

CCP Sharq C C P C C P Alliance 223	Posted - 2015.04.08 13:15:37 - [24] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: CCP Punkturis wrote: thank you all for your feedback. we've been improving things based on it (for example adding a hint to the name column displaying the whole name and adding the hint to all of the tabs on how the tristate checkboxes work) and more incoming! http://issuu.com/gregory45/docs/roles Would you consider making icons for roles like these, and then the hints for them? Not bad. This idea has come up a few times in conversations on further development on the system. It's a little out of scope for now I think. If we iterate on corp role changes, I'd be willing to explore this way of ID-ing roles rather then using text. Thanks for your feedback EVE UI Designer \| Team Five-0 \| @CCP_Sharq

Soldarius Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent 1240	Posted - 2015.04.08 14:57:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Sharq wrote: If we iterate on corp role changes... First, ty for your work on this project. The UI clean-up is appreciated. But I don't think there is any question that more work needs to be done. Corp roles changes aren't just about cleaning up the UI. The entire system is in dire need of a complete ground-up rework, especially when it comes to permissions for accessing POS structures that require corp wallet and hanger access roles in addition to more generic roles like Factory Manager. People want to be able to rent out POS services to the public or even their own corp or alliance members without having to worry about someone walking off with the entire contents of the structure, or even the structure itself. So I sincerely hope that "if we iterate" was actually meant to be "when we iterate". http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
SoulBlythe Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance 3	Posted - 2015.04.18 00:36:34 - [26] - Quote I am having some issues opening the title management tab. I click on the tab, it freezes then kicks me back to the auto-removal or Auditing tab.

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