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Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:19:00 - [1] Tie corp, office and station to market. 1) You can buy anywhere. 2) You can only sell at stations where your corp has an office. People in NPC corps can sell up to a maximum of 3 orders. Nice idea? --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Vagabond pilots want http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=405915
Chadawahee Amarr Debiloff's Vanguard Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:23:00 - [2] sounds like a plan, how about escrow then ?
Matori Kar	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:23:00 - [3] This would make no difference at all...except maybe increasing alot of office rentals, heh, and ofc ****ing off a fek of alot of people...
Ozzie Asrail FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:24:00 - [4] Sorta interesting, might help with spreading out market hubs. On otherhand it would suck to have lots of stuff in a station that you can't move (like a shiptype you cant fly) and you cant put on market either. -----
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:27:00 - [5] Originally by: Chadawahee sounds like a plan, how about escrow then ? Wait for Kali? --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Vagabond pilots want http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=405915
Rina Shanu Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:30:00 - [6] Nice one. You can stiull see the offer on market, but the item must be in a station where you have office. Theres downsides to this also, as those with the ISK atm will jump over Jita and hire mercs to push people out and get the offices... Hmmm, then again, interesting times Image removed, not appropriate for this site. -Suvetar then make me a sig Suvetar what has 4 legs and 1 arm? a happy pitbull
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:30:00 - [7] Originally by: Matori Kar This would make no difference at all...except maybe increasing alot of office rentals, heh, and ofc ***ing off a fek of alot of people... ISKs sink ... good. Spread of 100 0.01 ISK undercuts ... good. Nerf super hubs ... good. Encourage people to go into PC corps ... good. Fix T1 market for newb crafters ... good. Spread out people to 4999+ systems in EvE ... good. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind.* Vagabond pilots want http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=405915
Rick Dentill Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:31:00 - [8] It is an interesting idea certainly if you could only sell where there was a corp hanger then hubs would shrink and be more diversely spread. Might help with all these uber lag hubs. _______ http://x-universe.kiwi.nu/page.php?id=dd
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Ozzie Asrail Sorta interesting, might help with spreading out market hubs. On otherhand it would suck to have lots of stuff in a station that you can't move (like a shiptype you cant fly) and you cant put on market either. More incentive for the corp to set up stuffs to sell? May be hire a runner to bring stuffs to the station where you have a ship there? People who sell Ravens will sell whatever Raven fittings at the same station. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Vagabond pilots want http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=405915
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:35:00 - [10] Originally by: Rina Shanu Nice one. You can stiull see the offer on market, but the item must be in a station where you have office. Theres downsides to this also, as those with the ISK atm will jump over Jita and hire mercs to push people out and get the offices... Hmmm, then again, interesting times You can buy anywhere but sell at stations where you have offices in. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Vagabond pilots want http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=405915
Matori Kar	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Matori Kar This would make no difference at all...except maybe increasing alot of office rentals, heh, and ofc **ing off a fek of alot of people... ISKs sink ... good. True Spread of 100 0.01 ISK undercuts ... good. Hubs have lots of stations so spread would still be in one system Nerf super hubs ... good. Hubs have lots of stations - will NOT nerf hubs Encourage people to go into PC corps ... good. Good for who? Fix T1 market for newb crafters ... good. Will make absolutely no difference what so ever to this Spread out people to 4999+ systems in EvE ... good. What spread out? this might populate a half dozen extra systems if at all...**
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Matori Kar ISKs sink ... good. True Spread of 100 0.01 ISK undercuts ... good. Hubs have lots of stations so spread would still be in one system Does not matter if not localised to specific station. Nerf super hubs ... good. Hubs have lots of stations - will NOT nerf hubs Limited office units in systems with many stations? Encourage people to go into PC corps ... good. Good for who? PvPers. Do not like the 100M ISKs covert ops cloaking device? War dec them. Fix T1 market for newb crafters ... good. Will make absolutely no difference what so ever to this Want to bet? Spread out people to 4999+ systems in EvE ... good. What spread out? this might populate a half dozen extra systems if at all... If you could only imagine. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Vagabond pilots want http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=405915
Sita Kimhor	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:51:00 - [13] Stupid idea posted in the wrong forum.
Rina Shanu Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire You can buy anywhere but sell at stations where you have offices in. Yeah, got it from the start. Image removed, not appropriate for this site. -Suvetar then make me a sig Suvetar what has 4 legs and 1 arm? a happy pitbull
Vasiliyan PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:55:00 - [15] ... Completely wreck market prices as everyone demands higher margins for the massive inconvenience. ... Fitting a ship will require quite a few jumps instead of just sitting in a hub station and buying everything. Is the plan to just remove sell orders, or remove the ability to insta-sell as well? The latter would make even more people unhappy.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:59:00 - [16] Originally by: Sita Kimhor Stupid idea posted in the wrong forum. Miss Intelligent, care to comment why it is so stupid to this stupid poster who suggested it? --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Vagabond pilots want http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=405915
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:02:00 - [17] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 12/10/2006 13:03:05 Originally by: Vasiliyan ... Completely wreck market prices as everyone demands higher margins for the massive inconvenience. ... Fitting a ship will require quite a few jumps instead of just sitting in a hub station and buying everything. Is the plan to just remove sell orders, or remove the ability to insta-sell as well? The latter would make even more people unhappy. Traders have more opportunities to trade in. They can sell a specific ship and usual kit on the market. I sell Blackbirds and I also sell jammers and usual kit on the same station. You can encourage people to group together and sell stuffs under the same portfolio. I manufacture Blackbirds, you manufacture jammers, we sell at the same station. Think Naga. Buy ship and kit at station A in system B. Current market in EvE is a flea market. T1 stuffs have no value unless in 0.0 or remote areas. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Vagabond pilots want http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=405915
Matori Kar	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:10:00 - [18] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Matori Kar ISKs sink ... good. True Spread of 100 0.01 ISK undercuts ... good. Hubs have lots of stations so spread would still be in one system Does not matter if not localised to specific station. 15 stations with 15 offices each = 225 potential corps selling all mods. At the moment you usually only have 1 or 2 active stations in a hub, spreading out the market in one system will make no difference - 1 of my alts is a T1 producer and seller, this will make no difference to him whatsoever...other than the 1 or 2 stations being a little less crowded outside Nerf super hubs ... good. Hubs have lots of stations - will NOT nerf hubs Limited office units in systems with many stations? as above, over 200 potential competitors is not really that much different than now, thinking about it, I often get less than 5-10 competitors for each T1 item I produce and sell in a given system, so... Encourage people to go into PC corps ... good. Good for who? PvPers. Do not like the 100M ISKs covert ops cloaking device? War dec them. /makes crappy 1 man corp for item seller in each hub system - wardec a 1 man corp that never undocks? Fix T1 market for newb crafters ... good. Will make absolutely no difference what so ever to this Want to bet? Yes Spread out people to 4999+ systems in EvE ... good. What spread out? this might populate a half dozen extra systems if at all... If you could only imagine. I can, which is why I am saying these ideas are non starters
Xerpex	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:11:00 - [19] What's wrong with 0.01 isk undercuts? It's better than being undercut by 1k isk... Or do you have a problem with people daring to undercut you?
Michayel Lyon Contention Inc	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Xerpex What's wrong with 0.01 isk undercuts? It's better than being undercut by 1k isk... Or do you have a problem with people daring to undercut you? This man speaks the truth. If more people would undercut by 0.01, I doubt the implant market would have crashed as fast as it did. Instead, I see people sometimes undercutting with up to 5m at a time...
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:23:00 - [21] I quite like it, but the big problem that it'd cause is people buying up 100's of offices, just to tie up the market. And that'd be no good ISK Sink is good though. And anything to disperse the market hubs is always welcome.
Vala Draaken Gallente Madhatters Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:32:00 - [22] Originally by: Matori Kar Spread of 100 0.01 ISK undercuts ... good. Hubs have lots of stations so spread would still be in one system Does not matter if not localised to specific station. 15 stations with 15 offices each = 225 potential corps selling all mods. At the moment you usually only have 1 or 2 active stations in a hub, spreading out the market in one system will make no difference - 1 of my alts is a T1 producer and seller, this will make no difference to him whatsoever...other than the 1 or 2 stations being a little less crowded outside Nerf super hubs ... good. Hubs have lots of stations - will NOT nerf hubs Limited office units in systems with many stations? as above, over 200 potential competitors is not really that much different than now, thinking about it, I often get less than 5-10 competitors for each T1 item I produce and sell in a given system, so... Regarding the blue text: Is that taking into account that you'll need to pay office rent? I've seen office rents up to 90 mill/30 days. That would in my opinion make it somewhat unattractive to sell at hubs. Originally by: Patch86 I quite like it, but the big problem that it'd cause is people buying up 100's of offices, just to tie up the market. And that'd be no good ISK Sink is good though. And anything to disperse the market hubs is always welcome. Even if the rent is only a a few million per office, I think renting that many would still cut quite heavily into your profits. Just wondering, Vala D.
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.12 13:34:00 - [23] The way I see this, is that unless you're in a corp, you can't sell stuff! I'm in my own little one man corp, and don't see why I should have to pay x million for an office just so I can sell my spoils. This is just an incetive to get people to stop moving around. Why would any corp want to rent extra offices just to sell stuff?
Rina Shanu Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Why would any corp want to rent extra offices just to sell stuff? Because it is a producing/selling... an industrial corporation. Maybe Corp A does not want to get 10 offices, than it gets only 3-4 but lowers the price and does some marketing to make people come to their office region. Maybe Corp A will rent 4 offices, each in a dif region. I can simply see the people moving and dispersing. Image removed, not appropriate for this site. -Suvetar then make me a sig Suvetar what has 4 legs and 1 arm? a happy pitbull
Lunera Evol	Posted - 2006.10.12 15:13:00 - [25] Undercutting is open market pvp.
Quutar Caldari Uxor Infensus	Posted - 2006.10.12 15:16:00 - [26] how about you can only set sell orders at stations where you have an office at? you could still fill other people's buy orders anywhere as long as you are in range... but you can not make a sell order unless you have an office there? sonofabeachballbouncingmarymotherfiretrucker
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2006.10.12 15:27:00 - [27] I'd rather not have to fly around the entire region to put together a ship... Hubs are quite useful for getting everything in one place, even if it is more expensive, it is much more convenient.
Mysticaa Gallente Fringe Roamers of Goa	Posted - 2006.10.12 15:36:00 - [28] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Tie corp, office and station to market. 1) You can buy anywhere. 2) You can only sell at stations where your corp has an office. People in NPC corps can sell up to a maximum of 3 orders. Nice idea? This is a stupid idea. We already have skills which limit how much you can sell. Please explain how limiting where a person can sell will "minimise 0.01isk undercut". ----------------------------------------------- Why do I post here? Originally by: Tao Han "TANK CEO!!!" Quick Wrangler, to the Banmobile!!! Sig snatched by Xorus
Erfnam Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.12 15:54:00 - [29] This will negate all those points players put in to trade skills and it will result in people just creating sales alts in an npc corp so they don't have to open an office. Also, people are lazy and will not travel to purchase stuff. Your idea would make selling the same as lab slots were before RMR--the richer/older players monopolize the hubs and everyone else is forced to move out. An easier solution to dealing with the .01 isk wars is to manage your orders more frequently, or you could sell at another station/system. Players who don't want to pvp stay in empire. If you don't want to market war, stay out of the hubs. BYOM Raven, Apoc, Domi - Casino - [TCCS]
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.12 16:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Mysticaa Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Tie corp, office and station to market. 1) You can buy anywhere. 2) You can only sell at stations where your corp has an office. People in NPC corps can sell up to a maximum of 3 orders. Nice idea? This is a stupid idea. We already have skills which limit how much you can sell. Please explain how limiting where a person can sell will "minimise 0.01isk undercut". 0.01 ISK undercuts or price wars are limited to individuals in corps. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Vagabond pilots want http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=405915

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