You can't have it all, Amarr does fantastic in fleet pvp and some of them do good in gangs/solo. In pve they are still very good but run into damage type issues. Thing is that the abaddon/paladin solve that with massive dps (if people would just stop fitting like crap, abaddon does 800 dps at 60km and over 1100 dps at 25km).

Other races also have issues apart from... Minmatar. Thing is that Amarr has less issues than Gallente and Caldari and while I agree that some ships in the Amarr line feel weak, the same goes for other races. Only thing I'd change is make the prophecy and maller missile ships and all would be fine.

TL;DR yes you point out issues Amarr has but somehow you forget that other races also have issues, different issues ofcourse but still. So, deal with it.

Hellen STFU if you dont know most PVP Canes are shield tanked kiting setups.

OMG you are spewing crap.

Canes with nuets are armor brawlers they need to get within 12 km to use med nuets. Those will present problems for a Harbys if they get close enough. A shield cane will get eaten by a harby as they both fight in the same range and the harby does more DPS at that range and better tank

Amarr is pvp goodness. In hands of capable pilot amarr BS outperforms many other ships.

Amarr HACs are second to none, amarr Command are very good.

Before patch eagle sucks, deimos sucks, astrate, eos - waste of time, vulture sucks, vagabond and munin are situational.

All caldari ships suck in PvP, all except falcon, which doesn't suck because of cloak. Drake is semi decent PvP slowboat, suitable for outliving the enemy. That's it.

Abaddon is the shining glory of all PvP fleets.

1. I fully agree here, though this has been said countless times before. Other weapons systems get bonuses to enhance them, amarr get bonuses to make the weapons viable, this is not right.

2. Being limited to em/thermal damage is fine imo. The ratio between the two types needs some slight tweaking on some crystals however (slightly more thermal, slightly less em to compensate).

3. Cap use can be annoying, but it used to be balanced since lasers were so powerful. Minor tweaking here as well, nothing major needed.

4. No comment here, as everyone knows this already.

Let's talk about their strengths.

1. My opinion of scorch is this, lasers with scorch are good. Lasers without scorch, are just decent. Take what you will from that.

2. This goes back to one of your previous points, about wasted ship bonuses to reduce laser cap use. Simply tweaking cap use and changing amarr ships to have a second *real* bonus would add a huge amount of needed variety. Yes please.

3. Switching crystals on the fly is very useful, though I would gladly give it up if it meant the other aspects of amarr ships/weapons were made more viable.

That being said, several of the top tier t1 ships within the amarr lineup struggle against all races, not just minnies. A harby will never beat a well fit myrm and a maller will never beat a well fit thorax.

Don't feed the trolls.
If some idiot can't be constructive ignore it!

Amarr is the only race that fit ACs on their ships more then any other race excluding Minnies, that's a fact.
Some newbs whine that ACs are not good and lasers are way better and they would fit lasers if their ships were friendly on equipping them. Like having "reduction in laser capacitor bonus". Well this is a bullsh*t.
I lived in null for like 4-5 years and I know what ships people usually use.
Even when everyone was crying that Hybrids suck there was a lot of Gallente ships flying around with those sucky hybrids.
Moreover 90% of those ships you pop up use hybrids. When you pop up some Amarr ship there is a good chance you will see ACs on it.

Basically statistics speaks for itself and obviously those who say lasers are fine never flown any Amarr ship or just a sucky troll.

Does anyone else agree with me?

Read my lips :P

Amarr is Op at FLEET COMBAT, you know that, I know that we all know that. The whole approach amarr has (armor tanked, slowish, ridiculous range and dps) means it's a beast in fleet combat and less good at solo pvp. Again, apart from a very few ships (omen needs PG and as said maller/proph need to be missile based) there is nothing wrong with amarr, just don't try to use them in a scenario that they don't do well in. All races (bar Minnie) have this issue.

There's things Amarr isn't good at, which is GOOD and as it SHOULD be. Go talk to a megathron pilot about how well he does in fleets, or Caldari BS pilot for that matter. Have a look as the dps a caracal does and the limitations the Moa has or how about the Eagle or Cerb. Gallente STILL isn't any good and Amarr is STILL much better in most respects (mostly due to silly range on pulses/scorch).

Stop complaining about the few things Amarr isn't good at because they're damn well OP in everything else and there's 2 other races who have far more issues.

No

Lets put it this way, Harby gets about 21km with scorch, doing about xray damage. Blaster ferox with long range t2 ammo gets about 15ish km and does comparible damage. Gallente can hit at about 11 or 12 with long range ammo but do more damage than scorch at that range by far. I don't see how amarr is doing much thats better. Scorch gets decent range, but the damage is not that great due to the damage type.

This thread is plagued by far too many EFT warriors.

I get your point, man, I really do. I know Amarr are bad solo, but I don't see how they are that great in a fleet either. So scorch gives them decent range. Caldari missle boats have twice the range and at scorch range aren't doing much difference in terms of dps. Well I mean flight time does hurt the dps a bit, but its still pretty similar.

Lets put it this way, Harby gets about 21km with scorch, doing about xray damage. Blaster ferox with long range t2 ammo gets about 15ish km and does comparible damage. Gallente can hit at about 11 or 12 with long range ammo but do more damage than scorch at that range by far. I don't see how amarr is doing much thats better. Scorch gets decent range, but the damage is not that great due to the damage type.

the only way I can see amarr ships being useful is to have 10 baddons warp in using scorch to alpha ****. But if thats the only way to make use of their ships, thats pretty limited as far as playing goes

Check the base shield/armor damage statistics. It seems that lasers do half the base damage to armor when compared to shields and that is, imho, the biggest drawback when it comes to these lovely beams of death.

Does anyone else agree with me?

Basically You can't have everything you want. Noone can.

I'm a moron