a Harbinger can just scorch it to death from 30 or 40km away

1600mm plate Harb that still tops 900 DPS

I would rather have kinetic therm then em therm. Kinetic therm is more effective against a broader range of tank types. Not to mention the sheer damage modifier of blasters fully make up for it

Harbi is not a decent boat in comparison to the other top tiers which all out perform it, the maller may be tougher than **** but its not gonna kill a damn thing and nobody will ever bother shooting at it, arbi is the only viable cruiser, all the frigs suck cept the navy slicer, HACs is the only thing you mentioned without an issue.

Oh the abbadon is badass too.

Whats funny? Blasters are the most powerful turret when it comes to damage in the game. Did you not know that?

Lol. First thing, just stop. You obviously are not a very seasoned PvP pilot so please reconsider embarassing yourself further in this debate.

Second, go back to shooting your rock.

Please feel free to enlighten me oh great one on where what I said was inaccurate

I was referring to damage not range or speed of the ship in question. Both of those were fixed by the way and damage was increased

hmm... no they weren't. the fix CCP made was akin to use a bandaid to patch a gunshot wound.

a nasty, nasty 12-gauge explosive pellet gunshot wound.

Nerf Minmatar.
All races are now more-or-less balanced.
\o/

This. Seriously I'm not overly pleased with Caldari at the moment and Gallente still feels....weak. I think that is a result of one race being very powerful. Minmatar need a SLIGHT nerf.

A 25 percent damage increase 50 percent cap decrease 10 percent tracking increase and speed and inertial modifications is a bandaid?

5% for blaster damage and 10% for rail damage iirc. wish it was 25%

So what are all those fleets I see entirely comprised of Zealots and Guardians, or Abaddons and Guardians, or Armageddons and Guardians? Or what about all those Curses you see neuting out all those Archons and Aeons and Avatars? Are they only in my imagination?

1: In most classes, Amarr ships are tougher than their tier-for-tier counterparts, and in some cases do vastly superior dps.
2: Take a look at the list of top 20 ships used in PVP. The vast majority of them are shield tankers, which lasers cut through with ease. The rest are Amarrian.
3: You have cap problems, yes. But you also have near-infinite 'ammo', near-instant crystal switching, and very high dps even at long ranges, perversely outperforming other race's long range guns with your short-range guns at the same ranges.
4: Amarr are not the slowest. Caldari are. Amarr have the most armour hitpoints, the best armour resistance profile, and many ships have resistance bonuses. You also have very good signature radii, beaten only by Minmatar. As a race, the survivability of your ships is second to none.

Bitching about your strengths, which you manage to turn into weaknesses...

1: Scorch is overpowered. No other race gets damage projection as good as Amarr ships when using their short-ranged weapons. A minor tracking penalty is a non-issue when using high-tracking short-range guns.
2: One word: Abaddon.
3: Just stop whining.

You are of course entitled to your opinion. The problem is that your opinion is based on total crap.

This. Seriously I'm not overly pleased with Caldari at the moment and Gallente still feels....weak. I think that is a result of one race being very powerful. Minmatar need a SLIGHT nerf.

Punisher is just as good as the Merlin and Rifter.

Malediction is one of the most popular versatile interceptors.

Arbitrator/pilgrim/curse pretty much the all around best cruiser hulls in the game.

Harbinger is a perfectly competitive BC, absolution/damnation most durable command ships in the game.

Amarr has the best battleship hulls in the game hands down.

Archon is comparable only to the Thanatos.

Lasers are the most versatile and convenient weapon system in the game.

Agree with u on the curse but harby would rarly be a match for a myrm, drake or cane on it's own. And a punisher is garbage. The abbadon is good, the geddons mid slots destroy it. Apoc is a pve ship not that great to be honest

You are quite wrong.

Care to explain why? Cane would out manuver and tare a harby to shreds with its superior dps and similar tank.
Myrm would be dual repped and a harby would not scratch its tank before its drones shred it.
Drakes tank is just too massive even with em therm, compared to the relativly light tank a harby would be built with and at the end of the day the drake would outlast as it always does.

The punisher has the same problem as the maller and prophecy, no damage, poor manuverability.
Geddon can not be fit right and requires fleet support to shine. Mid slots are a huge deal in pvp, especially on a battleship.
Curse and baddon are both beasts, I admitt to this

You are bad.

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Care to explain why? Cane would out manuver and tear a harby to shreds with its dps.
Myrm would be dual repped and a harby would not scratch its tank before its drones shred it.
Drakes tank is just too massive even with em therm, compared to the relativly light tank a harby would be built with and at the end of the day the drake would outlast as it always does.

The punisher has the same problem as the maller and prophecy, no damage, poor manuverability.
Geddon can not be fit right and requires fleet support to shine. Mid slots are a huge deal in pvp, especially on a battleship.

If you've been paying attention as you read the topic, you'd know why.

The entire time the Cane is in range to shoot the Harb, the Harb is in range to shoot the cane and can track it as well as out DPS it (not to mention if the Cane is MWDing around, it's taking MORE damage due to sig radius increase). Myrm, if dual repped, would more than likely cap out before the Harb or it just wont be doing a lot of DPS period. A drake's tank would have to sacrifice all the DPS modules to be able to weather a Harb's DPS. if any BC has the best chance at killing a drake, it's the Harb. Even if the Drake tanks for just em/therm, it'll be close.

The Punisher doesn't need crazy DPS to be good. It has the best frig tank by far and is able to outlast the other frigs. It doesn't need to be fast, it just needs to track the opponent, which it does.

The Maller isn't really suffering as it gives it the ability to fit respectable DPS with respectable Tank for a cruiser.

The Prophecy does suffer form it, but who cares, you shouldn't be putting lasers on it anyways.

Geddon is a massive gank boat, even with only 3 mids, you're still doing more DPS with more EHP than most other battleships can muster simultaneously.

You think a harby pumps out more dps than a cane? Are you smoking crack? Check the ship bonuses, two damage bonuses compared to the harbys one. Not to mention the cane is using explosive ammo which hurts the harbys tank more than the harby em therm will hurt his. Get your facts straight bud.

As for the myrm, have you ever fought a myrm? They have dual repps and cap boosters, they can run their tank a lot longer than a harbys tank can hold up.

By your post I find it hard to believe you pvp at all. And maller and respectable dps don't even fit into the same sentence. I wont even bother to comment further, you clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Hellen you are an idiot and post with your main so we can all laugh at your combat record and see you have no idea what you are talking about.

The Arbi is one of the best T1 cruises in the game. The Harbinger is awesome, great DPS projection and decent speed. Shield Harbys are actually kinda popular too. Heavy pulse fits either shield tanked or 800mm plate fit are really useful against kiting Canes. Always carry a cap injector on armor fit ones. The Absolution is a Raging Beserker on the battlefield. The Geddon has the best bang for your buck with the Domi. The Apoc can Scorch 600 DPS out to 80km and be one of the best anti support roles there is. The Abbadon is the best Tier 3 BS hands down.

Guardians Curses and Zealots are all great. Man I can go on and on.

OP is an idiot

Respectable DPS for a cruiser

Also, I'd love to see a Hurricane get close to 900 DPS.