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Kietay Ayari Monopoly Money Operations 79	Posted - 2011.12.02 17:30:00 - [1] - Quote Brothar Rey wrote: Nope. Try again. I'm neither extreme right wing ( in fact I'd say I'm center of the political road myself ) nor have I ever read the books cited. I actually tried to read Atlas Shrugged once, but I didn't make more then 4 chapters in before it bored me to tears. Crying for wealth distribution is stupid. Your tune would be completely different if your the guy with the wealth. If your the guy that worked 16 hours a day, focused, researched and made smart investments and all that crap you deserve it. Unfortunately, all I ever see on tv protesting is some 18 year old kid, looks like he never showered in a week and doesn't know what a razor is, hollering crap. Maybe...just maybe... that 18 year old kid should put down his bong, shower and shave and actually work to make a fortune. I'm not wealthy in RL or in-game. In fact, in game I've never made over 300m isk at any single time. I do, however, know the value of time vs. reward. I'd be ashamed of myself...as some should be...if all of a sudden tomorrow all the wealthy had to give me some of what they got. I'm not a welfare case, and I would never want to be. Again, my piece said. I think so toooo. Though while I understand that other people think differently I find it funny how they accuse anyone who does not support these silly protests of being a crazy right wing fascist. Off topic but no one else was supporting ;D On topic: This game is going to get really icky if people start complaining more than playing - just like RL? ;D Ferox #1
Jita Alt666 612	Posted - 2011.12.02 17:40:00 - [2] - Quote Op: you should jump on the old forums track down the threads relating to the June Jita protests. Even if "you were there", you should remind yourself of the vast numbers of players who were discontent with the game at that point. Players from all game play types, all sides of the Eve political spectrum all united in their dissatisfaction with CCP. Now realise that no one cares that your high sec extraction of pi material is being cut back so that dust pilots have something to fight over in 12 months (the lows/0.0s) and then adapt.
Cipher Jones 124	Posted - 2011.12.02 17:50:00 - [3] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Seriously, if everyone is really worked up about PI taxes, take a lesson from the NeX protests and see how much time can dilate in Jita. 1. Anyone that was protesting NeX in Jita has long since failed out of Eve. 2. Anyone asshurt over PI will soon be gone also. I hear WoT has an Eve discount. They are down several players since Hillmar blocked the WoT IP from CCP and forced the Devs back to work. See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die.
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman Loud On The Forums Silent In Game 26	Posted - 2011.12.02 18:02:00 - [4] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: 1. Anyone that was protesting NeX in Jita has long since failed out of Eve. 2. Anyone asshurt over PI will soon be gone also. 1. Nah, they are still playing or have returned due to CCP refocusing on FiS. 2. Nah, there are still a thousand other ways to make Isk.
Cipher Jones 124	Posted - 2011.12.02 18:07:00 - [5] - Quote Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote: Cipher Jones wrote: 1. Anyone that was protesting NeX in Jita has long since failed out of Eve. 2. Anyone asshurt over PI will soon be gone also. 1. Nah, they are still playing or have returned due to CCP refocusing on FiS. 2. Nah, there are still a thousand other ways to make Isk. 1. PCU says otherwise 2. If they can make money doing something else why would they be asshurt? See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die.
Brothar Rey No Bullshit Jokers Wild. 20	Posted - 2011.12.02 18:23:00 - [6] - Quote Quote: Daedalus Arcova Posted: 2011.12.02 16:58 I think everyone is slightly misreading the OP. I believe the point was "put up or shut up" not "let's occupy Jita and show CCP how hard we are raging about PI taxes!" Blah. I'm guilty of this. I have nobody to blame but myself for trying to finish my comment quickly as my delivery guy was backing up to the door. So, to the OP... Yeah, right on! And I wasn't trolling, well intentionally anyway. I wrote up some response to some other crap too, but nobody will really care. I realized that unless one agrees with another, they'd be wrong no matter what they said. And frankly I don't really really want to argue about a point of view while playing a video game. So, I disagree with RL occupy protesting for many reasons. Some people will disagree with my disagreeing. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Mrs Sooperdudespaceman Loud On The Forums Silent In Game 26	Posted - 2011.12.02 18:35:00 - [7] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote: Cipher Jones wrote: 1. Anyone that was protesting NeX in Jita has long since failed out of Eve. 2. Anyone asshurt over PI will soon be gone also. 1. Nah, they are still playing or have returned due to CCP refocusing on FiS. 2. Nah, there are still a thousand other ways to make Isk. 1. PCU says otherwise 2. If they can make money doing something else why would they be asshurt? 1. PCU doesn't tell you who left or why. 2. Because most of the people moaning are lazy hisec carebears.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association 23	Posted - 2011.12.02 18:45:00 - [8] - Quote Personally, I am opposed to it, despite my new windfall profits from it, but frankly my view is that whining in forums and reporting it as a bug to devs doesn't really demonstrate how far widespread the discontent is over this. If everyone is really concerned about it, let's all put out isk where our forum posts are and go to Jita. Otherwise, stop whining. Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium
Karn Dulake Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance 125	Posted - 2011.12.02 18:48:00 - [9] - Quote Occupy what Would you need to do is occupy a job Something Awful. A beacon for tearful, lonely neckbeards.
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 217	Posted - 2011.12.02 18:49:00 - [10] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Seriously, if everyone is really worked up about PI taxes, take a lesson from the NeX protests and see how much time can dilate in Jita. occupy hi sec incursion rewards not PI goddamnit
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 486	Posted - 2011.12.02 18:50:00 - [11] - Quote You're lucky you picked Jita becuase there is no way i can get to jita in a destroyer with my bad standings and the lag in jita at the gates. I would so be suicide ganking. BTW I have never gotten so much money from PI its pertty rediculous on how much money I am raking in now. Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association 23	Posted - 2011.12.02 18:50:00 - [12] - Quote Karn Dulake wrote: Occupy what Would you need to do is occupy a job Have one, both IRL and in EvE. The point being that a mass protest in game seems to grab the devs attention. If people are serious about it, be serious. If not, STFU. Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 486	Posted - 2011.12.02 18:51:00 - [13] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Karn Dulake wrote: Occupy what Would you need to do is occupy a job Have one, both IRL and in EvE. The point being that a mass protest in game seems to grab the devs attention. If people are serious about it, be serious. If not, STFU. Ahem Adapt or Die. If you are smart you'd know about tax evasion. Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
Lili Lu 50	Posted - 2011.12.02 19:15:00 - [14] - Quote Jith wrote: Brothar Rey wrote: All these Occupy protests (even in RL) are nothing short of a bunch of lazy assed whining kids. WHAAAAA WHAAAAA I want MY million dollars now... I don't want to work for it. WHAAA WHAAAAA Sorry. I had to say my piece. When the game is fixed even before you start playing it, there is reason to protest. Now sit your ass down and finish reading Atlas Shrugged or the Fountainhead, or whatever other Randian piece of crap cynical asshats like your like to read (that is assuming that asshats actually have the cranial capacity to know how to open a book). @OP : Yes the new taxes are high, but it makes sense when you look at CCPs big picture of forcing everyone into Null by nerfing the hell out of empire. The old Jita protests made sense; the game was going to ** and we were pissed about it. But to have another protest so soon after the massive effort on CCPs part to not ** up again makes us seem way too eager to pull the trigger about the most basic of problems. HTFU This is pretty much the best post in this thread. The OP suggestion is not warranted, and the wannabe teabagger retorts neither.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association 23	Posted - 2011.12.02 19:21:00 - [15] - Quote Nova Fox wrote: Ahem Adapt or Die. If you are smart you'd know about tax evasion. Achem Player Driven Economy If i was smart, I'd have given up on this game and gone over totally to WoT and TOR but I still have a few specks of hope for it not becoming Goonswarm Online. Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 254	Posted - 2011.12.02 20:10:00 - [16] - Quote Funny thing is I once said that high sec should be safe, but there should be taxes in place so it's not an ISK faucet. CCP went along those lines with PI and look at the griping.. Entitlement mentality? This is a problem with MMOs. Everybody misses the ESRB notice about how the game can change.
thekiller2002us Order of Celestial Knights Galactic System Lords Alliance 33	Posted - 2011.12.02 20:25:00 - [17] - Quote why? this expansion was a great expansion. I went to protest at jita the last time over the lack of content in the last expansion. This time- this expansion has provided 3x more incarna content and new space ships. I am satisfied with CCP's latest expansion.
Garbad theWeak 50	Posted - 2011.12.02 20:25:00 - [18] - Quote 99% of the spamscammers are in 1% of the systems. OCCUPY JITA
Ana Vyr Vyral Technologies 118	Posted - 2011.12.02 20:36:00 - [19] - Quote Zagdul wrote: What taxes? All moons in Fade are 0% tax. Taxing moon goo...hmmmm, interesting idea :)
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 222	Posted - 2011.12.02 20:36:00 - [20] - Quote Morganta wrote: launch rockets and don't pay the taxes? You haven't tried it, have you? Launch rockets and pay MORE taxes.
Viola Wolf Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2011.12.02 20:42:00 - [21] - Quote Brothar Rey wrote: All these Occupy protests (even in RL) are nothing short of a bunch of lazy assed whining kids. WHAAAAA WHAAAAA I want MY million dollars now... I don't want to work for it. WHAAA WHAAAAA Sorry. I had to say my piece. Amen Brothar
Pak Narhoo Knights of Kador 60	Posted - 2011.12.02 20:46:00 - [22] - Quote You had your time. Near risk free isk printing. Time has changed. Deal with it.
Lili Lu 50	Posted - 2011.12.02 21:14:00 - [23] - Quote Viola Wolf wrote: Brothar Rey wrote: All these Occupy protests (even in RL) are nothing short of a bunch of lazy assed whining kids. WHAAAAA WHAAAAA I want MY million dollars now... I don't want to work for it. WHAAA WHAAAAA Sorry. I had to say my piece. Amen Brothar Oh how cute Brothar Rey, you created an alt and this is your one and only post on that alt. Why don't you read the comments on your stupid post. Thread is stupid, your post is stupid, hopefully this thread will die soon.
Famble Three's a Crowd 126	Posted - 2011.12.02 21:19:00 - [24] - Quote Lili Lu wrote: Viola Wolf wrote: Brothar Rey wrote: All these Occupy protests (even in RL) are nothing short of a bunch of lazy assed whining kids. WHAAAAA WHAAAAA I want MY million dollars now... I don't want to work for it. WHAAA WHAAAAA Sorry. I had to say my piece. Amen Brothar Oh how cute Brothar Rey, you created an alt and this is your one and only post on that alt. Why don't you read the comments on your stupid post. Thread is stupid, your post is stupid, hopefully this thread will die soon. I don't know dude. I see those RL occupy protests and I see the following: * Whining * Laziness * Selfishness (I see redistribute wealth placards hoisted, which is by definition, theft) * A bunch of people that collectively don't know what they want but they sure as heck feel that it's not their fault they suck. Seriously, what do they even want?! If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention.
Viola Wolf Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2011.12.02 21:22:00 - [25] - Quote Lili Lu wrote: Viola Wolf wrote: Brothar Rey wrote: All these Occupy protests (even in RL) are nothing short of a bunch of lazy assed whining kids. WHAAAAA WHAAAAA I want MY million dollars now... I don't want to work for it. WHAAA WHAAAAA Sorry. I had to say my piece. Amen Brothar Oh how cute Brothar Rey, you created an alt and this is your one and only post on that alt. Why don't you read the comments on your stupid post. Thread is stupid, your post is stupid, hopefully this thread will die soon. I'm not his alt. I don't know the guy. Like a a lot of people, I just agree with him. Oh, and thanks for the bump.
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 212	Posted - 2011.12.02 21:27:00 - [26] - Quote Famble wrote: Lili Lu wrote: Viola Wolf wrote: Brothar Rey wrote: All these Occupy protests (even in RL) are nothing short of a bunch of lazy assed whining kids. WHAAAAA WHAAAAA I want MY million dollars now... I don't want to work for it. WHAAA WHAAAAA Sorry. I had to say my piece. Amen Brothar Oh how cute Brothar Rey, you created an alt and this is your one and only post on that alt. Why don't you read the comments on your stupid post. Thread is stupid, your post is stupid, hopefully this thread will die soon. I don't know dude. I see those RL occupy protests and I see the following: * Whining * Laziness * Selfishness (I see redistribute wealth placards hoisted, which is by definition, theft) * A bunch of people that collectively don't know what they want but they sure as heck feel that it's not their fault they suck. Seriously, what do they even want?! I should have known that Eve would have libertarians. Redistributing wealth is not by definition theft if the wealth is question was acquired by extremely questionable means in the first place. Intense lobbying, en entire party of sycophants, governments contracts and constant nagging to lower taxes for the rich. But I am a captain of industry!!! I don't need the gubmint! Well the fact is that the rich have no qualms with modifying the system to make themselves richer and that right now they aren't even paying their fair share of taxes. That's selfishness. By the way the occupiers know what they want, they've voted on many manifestos', but Fox news keeps trying to ridicule them by saying they have no idea what they're fighting for ( It's just not true) I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104
Lili Lu 50	Posted - 2011.12.02 21:27:00 - [27] - Quote Famble wrote: Lili Lu wrote: Viola Wolf wrote: Brothar Rey wrote: All these Occupy protests (even in RL) are nothing short of a bunch of lazy assed whining kids. WHAAAAA WHAAAAA I want MY million dollars now... I don't want to work for it. WHAAA WHAAAAA Sorry. I had to say my piece. Amen Brothar Oh how cute Brothar Rey, you created an alt and this is your one and only post on that alt. Why don't you read the comments on your stupid post. Thread is stupid, your post is stupid, hopefully this thread will die soon. I don't know dude. I see those RL occupy protests and I see the following: * Whining * Laziness * Selfishness (I see redistribute wealth placards hoisted, which is by definition, theft) * A bunch of people that collectively don't know what they want but they sure as heck feel that it's not their fault they suck. Seriously, what do they even want?! And that's where I'll disagree with you. They are pointing out how over the last 30 years the rich have become very much richer and the rest of us have either stayed the same or lost ground. The banks and capital gains get bailed out and the real people are told we'll have to accept cuts in social security and medicare for when we need it. Wealth is already being redistributed from everyone to the wealthy. Has been for the last 30 years or so. Those stats don't lie. Stop watching FOX. It's not a real news organization. There, how's that for an example of why RL arguments should not intrude on these boards. This is another reason why the OP was off base. If it had been phrased as shoot the whatever in Jita to show we are mad it would still be stupid suggestion, but would not be injecting rl politics into the game.
Brothar Rey No Bullshit Jokers Wild. 20	Posted - 2011.12.02 21:29:00 - [28] - Quote I have one account. My alt ( high sec PI slave, some research and production monkey) is named Ferrus Mehtalls. Nothing to hide. I have so little posts because up till now, I've avoided posting in the forums. What else ya got? So far, you've failed as a psychic. Or detective. Or whatever it was you were doing there.
Myrdraeus Keaunt Physical Chaos 8	Posted - 2011.12.02 21:31:00 - [29] - Quote Brothar Rey wrote: Nope. Try again. I'm neither extreme right wing ( in fact I'd say I'm center of the political road myself ) . A lot of right wing extremists seem to think that. Just another aspect of their delusions.
Lili Lu 50	Posted - 2011.12.02 21:32:00 - [30] - Quote Viola Wolf wrote: Lili Lu wrote: Viola Wolf wrote: Brothar Rey wrote: All these Occupy protests (even in RL) are nothing short of a bunch of lazy assed whining kids. WHAAAAA WHAAAAA I want MY million dollars now... I don't want to work for it. WHAAA WHAAAAA Sorry. I had to say my piece. Amen Brothar Oh how cute Brothar Rey, you created an alt and this is your one and only post on that alt. Why don't you read the comments on your stupid post. Thread is stupid, your post is stupid, hopefully this thread will die soon. I'm not his alt. I don't know the guy. Like a a lot of people, I just agree with him. Oh, and thanks for the bump. Sure, I believe you. Keep going. You're at two posts. Someday you'll discover there are other threads and even other subforums . . .

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