wormholes were not meant to be lived it. in fact assume it gets harder to live in a wormhole, it might be more fun that way

you and 20 friends jump into a wormhole, 19 BS/t3 and an orca
after scouting:
orca finds safe spot, cloaks right away
orca will by the d-scan spammer

everyone else starts scanning away first few sites are scanned down and fleets warp in killing everything looting salaging, when full orca decloaks and they transfer the loot

after te system is farmed the fun part is finding a way out, the entrance probably closed if it didnt orca would probably go through with loot alone
the rest you you have to find a WH leading somewhere you want to be, maybe even heading to other WH systems where others are farming or searching for kills.

wormholes were not meant to be lived it. in fact assume it gets harder to live in a wormhole, it might be more fun that way

you and 20 friends jump into a wormhole, 19 BS/t3 and an orca
after scouting:
orca finds safe spot, cloaks right away
orca will by the d-scan spammer

everyone else starts scanning away first few sites are scanned down and fleets warp in killing everything looting salaging, when full orca decloaks and they transfer the loot

after te system is farmed the fun part is finding a way out, the entrance probably closed if it didnt orca would probably go through with loot alone
the rest you you have to find a WH leading somewhere you want to be, maybe even heading to other WH systems where others are farming or searching for kills.

The last few folks seem to believe that my nationality has something to do with this when, in fact, it does not. I'm sure if nullsec had CCP hang a bell around their necks the way they did with wormhole inhabitants they'd be here complaining about it as well.

Well. you right about jokes about you nationality

But you missed the core of that joke. I repeat by steps:
1. CCP made wormholes. WH don't supposed to be people living place.
2. You settled it anyway.
3. You got some problems with living in WH.
4. You come here and whine "change WH to make our living more nice".

The same story like with cats and microwave ovens.
It's like "change oven to i can dry my cat inside!"

W-space is not a carebear environment. If it is then null is Disney World. Does not nullsec inhabitants farm rats, farm complexes, farm moon goo?

There is a quantifiable imbalance of intel available for w-space. If you can't/won't recognize that, then who gives a crap about your opinion?

Well. you right about jokes about you nationality

But you missed the core of that joke. I repeat by steps:
1. CCP made wormholes. WH don't supposed to be people living place.
2. You settled it anyway.
3. You got some problems with living in WH.
4. You come here and whine "change WH to make our living more nice".

The same story like with cats and microwave ovens.
It's like "change oven to i can dry my cat inside!"

But you missed the core of that joke. I repeat by steps:
1. CCP made wormholes. WH don't supposed to be people living place.
2. You settled it anyway.
3. You got some problems with living in WH.
4. You come here and whine "change WH to make our living more nice".

The same story like with cats and microwave ovens.
It's like "change oven to i can dry my cat inside!"

Well. you right about jokes about you nationality

But you missed the core of that joke. I repeat by steps:
1. CCP made wormholes. WH don't supposed to be people living place.
2. You settled it anyway.
3. You got some problems with living in WH.
4. You come here and whine "change WH to make our living more nice".

The same story like with cats and microwave ovens.
It's like "change oven to i can dry my cat inside!"

Thanks for replying in this thread but, how about addressing the original post and the "dinner bell" intel that the API provides in its current state? How about getting rid of all API intel gathering for w-space or sufficiently delaying updates to be essentially useless for people wanting a kill handed to them on a silver platter?

In the American West where the tradition of a 'frontier' mostly arises in present culture. The frontiersmen were indeed ringing a dinner bell whenever they sought fortune or engaged in such endeavors. These were the predators awaiting them

1) Fellow frontiersman eager to take from their neighbor.
2) Indians or 'injuns' as we called them in those days (who I would argue were primordial commie thugs and pirates)
3) Mexican banditos (also clearly pirates and much like the injuns were convinced you were on their land and everything you owned was theirs by right)

So Mr Kidd, you clearly think you're a frontiersman living on the edge of civilization yet when the injuns and banditos come after you, you go crying to Washington err CCP

You are a fraud.

The thing is... even though the original intent may not have been to have wormholes have permanent inhabitants, the fact of the matter is that they do now, and if you really step back and look at it it's an amazingly wonder aspect of Eve gameplay, and vitally needed in a game where the "other" end game is the mega-alliance cotrolled and dominated world of empire null space. Where null is the mega-cities of Eve, wormholes are the frontier regions that a certain few throughout the history of our species dared to centure into and colonize. Wormholes are the "out of Africa" of our ancient ancestors. They're the "New World" Columbus accidentally bumped into. They're the unsettled west, the gold rush to California. Not all things happen by intent, but by our very nature.

It's high time that folks at CCP at least do nothing more than acknowledge that they, and to hell with anyone that disagrees with me on this, they got wormholes RIGHT! They frakking nailed it, at least for the population looking for that frontier style of staking your own claim and MAKING IT STICK!. We all don't want to kiss the ring of the Godfathers of Null, regardless of what incentives or punishments are imposed on us. We LIKE the challenges there are with the limited and varying accesses, the different groups you'll run into on a daily basis, the lack of local and free intel. Acknoledge this CCP! You ******* did it right, and it's beautiful! Acknowledge you did it so well that we HAVE to live here permanently! Gods, if I didn't have to go to Empire for materials and fuels and to sell things I'd probably never go, you did it so well!

I hope Mr. Kidd will forgive me with a bit of disagreement with him on the removal of API jump data... I kind of like it. It adds to wormholes by subtraction. Adds a little more frontier, a little more danger. With this particular change, we'll be fine I think.

But C'mon CCP... embrace what you've created and what it's turned to. This is the best damned part of the game. Tell us you see this, you recognize it, and you'll respect at least our rights and abilities to stay and make it work through the challenges the rest of the game does have or need to face.

Tell us you see this, and you understand and accept it. That's all I ask. Keep it in mind with future decisions. We don't want it softened, nerfed, made easier... just respected as our way of life in Eve.

I advocate a complete removal of API intel from w-space. Read it again. As it stands now, API intel for w-space is a dinner bell as it shows NPC kills but not jumps. In essence, someone with a connecting wh to a system could sit on their ass doing whatever they want making periodic API calls to find out when a WH goes active and the active members are vulnerable. This is outright unacceptable.

Make WH kills information delayed by 48+ hours? You still get historical data on activity levels of the hole but no live intel.

Another thing that's used a lot to create information on WH people is the killmails which they produce. Maybe look into removing location data from that as well, or would that be one step too far?

If I kill someone in a wormhole, please don't prevent me from telling anyone. I don't care if the person that died doesn't want me to.

API information in WH space is a little bit silly and we're reviewing this.