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without	Posted - 2006.10.13 17:58:00 - [1] 200mil per book, sale by npcs would make my day :P
Larz63 Caldari Penumbra Squadron Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:00:00 - [2] Need more skills....faster....need more skills....faster /signed ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dreamdancer Minmatar Ceryshen Interglobal Technologies Vanu Space Command	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:02:00 - [3] lol /signed We are recruiting!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:02:00 - [4] How about advanced advanced advanced skills in Kali 2 ? Or advanced advanced advanced advanced skills soon after Kali 3 ? Now if I could only find that word that kind of means "advanced advanced" I could go back to playing Elite 3 soon. __ Always question everything. Including yourself.
SonOTassadar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:03:00 - [5] Advanced learning skills have been out for some time. Now Elite learning skills. I want those to come out ASAP. /signed. ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standar Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:42:00 - [6] +2 per lvl 8x skilltraining. expensive by Npcs requires lvl 5 of advanced learning? _________________________________________
Dannek Llama F5 and Associates	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:43:00 - [7] ACK! Please no, I want to get around to learning something besides learning one day... Plus... I don't have 800 million ISK... -------------------------------------------------------- Working towards my own personal Dreadnought, one ISK at a time.
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:51:00 - [8] No thanks -------------------------- Above post is my opinion only and does not represent my corp/alliance.
Blind Man Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Major Stormer No thanks
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:04:00 - [10] I still have a week to get my advanced learnings all up to level 3 (screw charisma, or it'd be more like 12 days). Getting them to 5 would require me to play for another year and a half or so to get my investment back. And now you want to charge people more isk to lock them into the game for even longer before they can safely say that their learning paid off? No thanks. ---------------------------- Remember, killing a Goon isn't murder. They don't have souls.
Stems Gallente Trade Consortium Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Major Stormer No thanks +1 No thanks
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:22:00 - [12] Advanced ^2 Learning? How about Remedial Learning Skills? I can see a need for those. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Firebyrd Gallente Crooked River Productions	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:27:00 - [13] woot i want elite training skills, and dual training, and somewhere in a blog something about training boosts(pills)...all 11 of my skills r maxxed out, so yea i want more, or at least increase the spawn rate of +4, and +5 implants so the costs comes down a bit And by the way i encourage all players to maxx them out, the benifits have an immediate impact, not this 1,2 yr garbage.... after all 2 of the Advanced training skills lvl 5s take less time then Battleship 5, or anything over a rank 5 skill ----------------------------------------------- In the End , there can be only 1 Learn from yesterday, that u may be stronger tomorrow
SonOTassadar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:28:00 - [14] I love how everyone here who said they don't want it because they don't want to waste more time with learning skills. As I recall, you're not required to train any skill in the game. You could, in fact, leave yourself not training a skill and still pay $15 for an active account. ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standar Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:29:00 - [15] No.
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:30:00 - [16] **** no.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:30:00 - [17] No thanks, otherwise new players are told to train all advanced advanced learning skills to 4 or in other words: 'Subscribe, login just to train learning skills from time to time, begin to play EVE 5 months later, when it's done.' Yes, I suppose new players will like that. Having a break from EVE until my broadband connection is working again.
Unemployed Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:31:00 - [18] No +6
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:35:00 - [19] Nope. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:36:00 - [20] nothnxk ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Malicious Wraith The Dark Side of the Moon	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:38:00 - [21] nope ----------------------------------------
Tarazed Aquilae	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:40:00 - [22] Advanced, advanced, learning skills? Sure, if thy do it like thisà Prerequisite: None Cost: 50 ISK Rank: 0.001 (Trains x 1,000 as fast as a rank 1 skill.) Effect: +1 to attribute per level. à and IÆm being serious. It would effectively just add +5 to all attributes for everyone. Otherwise, no thanks. New players could still get their +9 (+8%) in a few days and worry about the advanced learning skills later if they want. Old players would get faster training times and wouldnÆt have wasted the time and money they put into the current advanced learning skills. A lot of new skills have been added to Eve over the years and most of those skills are very high ranked skills and have big prerequisites. ThereÆs a real need to speed up learning for both new and old players. But it shouldnÆt be done in a way that new players canÆt access. It already takes something like two and a half months to get your learning skills trained up. ThatÆs a big enough time sink for new players. And a 200,000,000 ISK cost? Why, thatÆs obscenely expensive for everyone except the top players. I know some people might have a billion (combined cost) to throw around, but most sure donÆt. And who can afford the two or three weeks per attribute required to get the advanced skill to level V?
Detavi Kade	Posted - 2006.10.13 20:36:00 - [23] how about just advanced learning? we don't even have that yet. C'mon already, where's advanced learning?
Nir	Posted - 2006.10.13 20:49:00 - [24] Hell no.
Kaynard Stormwalker Stormriders	Posted - 2006.10.13 20:49:00 - [25] Originally by: Detavi Kade how about just advanced learning? we don't even have that yet. C'mon already, where's advanced learning? Thats something I can agree with
wierchas noobhunter Caldari Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.13 20:52:00 - [26] hell no join me be cool
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.10.13 20:53:00 - [27] what about specialisation implants? for example: +3 gunnery skills - reqs: science 5 cybernetics 5 gunner 5
Rick Dentill Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.13 21:07:00 - [28] /goes crazy. Even if there was a limit like 2 books I would go for it. oh to boost my lame perc and willp would make me so happy. Stop teasing me. _______
Nathanial Victor	Posted - 2006.10.13 21:10:00 - [29] anyone know if combat boosters may bleed over into other realms? like attribute boosters to speed up training of a particular field. Ritalin: Adds 3 points to any attribute, -1 to all others. Only useable by ppl in newb corps. (aka college students)
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 21:16:00 - [30] No thankyou. CEO - Art of War
celous Caldari Dark Skyes	Posted - 2006.10.13 22:39:00 - [31] nope
Mayoz	Posted - 2006.10.13 22:54:00 - [32] yea bring 'em on so I can Play catch up easier
Vasiliyan PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2006.10.13 22:55:00 - [33] No. Or if you do make new characters start with all the basic learning skills.
chillz Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.13 23:05:00 - [34] Whatever. It's not like there's a law saying you have to train them. ----------------------------------- A gun and a packet of sandwiches. "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S Thompson
bio collector	Posted - 2006.10.13 23:34:00 - [35] No, no, no, no, please no, no, no, God no! I beg you CCP, NO!
Skid Pants	Posted - 2006.10.14 00:18:00 - [36] Edited by: Skid Pants on 14/10/2006 00:18:31 Learning skills are the biggest time-sink in the game. And also, more importantly, they are the most off putting aspect to any potential new/future eve players. People say you don't have to train the learning skills so obsessively to begin with but it's a sad fact that many do or feel left behind. Learning skills should never have been introduced in the first place imho. Faster skill training should have been dealt with entirely with in-game accuireable artifacts like the implants and such.
Firebyrd Gallente Crooked River Productions	Posted - 2006.10.14 03:21:00 - [37] Edited by: Firebyrd on 14/10/2006 03:24:27 2 months my butt, it takes about 1-1.5 weeks to get all 6 basic learning skills to lvl 4, then then i get my corp mates +1,or +2 implants, they now have the equal of Advanced lvl 1 , they train other basic skills while they r online, and lvl 5 learning, while off line, and then mem, and intel as those r basic 3, by the time 2 months r up i have them in med barges, and tier 1 BSs, and lvl 4 indy skills, plus other basic skills, and lvl 3 advanced mem skill....its not hard to do, and it doesnt hog tie u to learning skills.... its called balance, and its also called working with newb on creating a primary profession, and working towards that goal, even with advance skill, it still takes 30 days to train Lvl 5 BS, which i believe is a prerequisite for the Cap ships... and with more higher ranked skills coming, which i believe this isgonna be needed, and needing more then 100 skills depending on the path u go down, Learning, advanced learning, and anything else that can speed up the process is benificial in the end... if i can cut a rank 1 (lvl 5)skill from 15 days with no learning skills, to 4.5 days with them, and +1 implants..... which will i work on first? ...lvl 5s of the advanced sure takes about 15 days each, but again train them offline, work smaller skills online... its called planning, and thats what u want new people to do, plan their goals and work them toward that, better then having someone with 10 mill SPs, and no direction edited for grammar ----------------------------------------------- In the End , there can be only 1 Learn from yesterday, that u may be stronger tomorrow
Mak'shar Karrde Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.14 03:39:00 - [38] Edited by: Mak''shar Karrde on 14/10/2006 03:40:44 Learning skills are one of the largest barriers against fun for new players. They make it harder to sell the game to new people, they're like an albatros hanging over their head until they get the advanced skills to level 4. They are not healthy for the game, no more should be added. If anything, the ones we already have should be removed and stats for new players raised accordingly. I raised mine a long time ago but I still resent them.
Lazy8s	Posted - 2006.10.14 04:06:00 - [39] Psh I say let them come out. They would be like 1day, 3days, 14days, 32days, 94days. Anyone dumb enough to train that deserves the skills!
Thulion	Posted - 2006.10.14 04:07:00 - [40] There is nothing wrong with learning skills. You do not have to learn them if you don't want to. There is no requirment to learn them eaither. I would welcome new learning skills.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 04:14:00 - [41] I can't think of one good reason to introduce more learning skills.
Acerus Malum Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.10.14 04:52:00 - [42] Hmm... so let's see. Omniscience Rank: 5 Prerequisite: Clarity V +1 Perception and +0.5% daily chance to develop the Jovian Disease and commit suicide per level. Sounds fair to me!
spurious signal Caldari Brainiacs	Posted - 2006.10.14 05:11:00 - [43] It already takes 1300 days to pay off maxing the Advanced Learning skills.... just what is the point of going any further?
Voculus Steel Battalion	Posted - 2006.10.14 05:23:00 - [44] The last F-ing thing this game needs is more learning skills.
Mrmuttley House of Tempers	Posted - 2006.10.14 05:39:00 - [45] Originally by: spurious signal It already takes 1300 days to pay off maxing the Advanced Learning skills.... just what is the point of going any further? Well elite learning skills would mean the pay off for advanced was about 3 months but then the pay off for maxed elite learning skills should be 10 years Nice though it would be to add another 5 points to all my attributtes im gonna go with no on this one ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Got Lag? Dev Responses Link-O-Matic
Dannek Llama F5 and Associates	Posted - 2006.10.14 06:19:00 - [46] I have a better suggestion: Remove ALL the learning skills from the game, refund the points to players that have already invested in them (so they can put those towards other skills) and give everyone attributes of 30 across the board. There, I've quickly and simply made it easier for new players to become capable of interacting with older players on a somewhat even field most of the time while letting older players branch their skills out and get access to very high level skillbooks more quickly. -------------------------------------------------------- Working towards my own personal Dreadnought, one ISK at a time.
Rafein Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.14 06:36:00 - [47] rank 5, +1 per level. Prereq of Presence, Clarity, Logic, eidetic memory, and Focus at 5.
Jack Kevorkian	Posted - 2006.10.14 06:41:00 - [48] I want +10 implants instead
Matrix Aran Legio Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.14 06:54:00 - [49] No ----
Jack'O Blades	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:01:00 - [50] Please no elite attribute skills... Advance Learning YES
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:18:00 - [51] Originally by: Major Stormer No thanks please god no, Advanced Learning is more than enough. Boosters however...
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.14 09:42:00 - [52] Originally by: Firebyrd And by the way i encourage all players to maxx them out, the benifits have an immediate impact, not this 1,2 yr garbage.... What a load of bollox! Linkage
AlexCA Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.14 09:48:00 - [53] No, time sinks are bad okay. Vodka Lolterra
Ansuru Starlancer The Phoenix Rising Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:27:00 - [54] Advanced Learning -only- Make it a rank 8 that gives +20% effective attribute bonus per level, tho :p
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:23:00 - [55] You think 1-2 weeks is a long time? Try training for a Dreadnought. BS 5 ADV Spaceship 5 Adv weapon upgrades 5 warp drive op 5. Thats like 23 days for ADV spaceship 5 and 23 days for adv weapon up 5 BS 5 is a month. warp drive op isnt bad. Science 5 isnt bad. Thats with decent perception and willpower with +3 implants and all the adv learnings to 4. MY alt with poor perception and willpower (both adv learnings to 5) +3 implants. Itll take me 45 days to get BS 5 alone! Give me something to shorten that PLZ! _________________________________________
Ficti0n FireTech Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:27:00 - [56] PLEASE dont do this. Learnig skills are the most boring skills in EVE. Please just leave them as they are.
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Ficti0n PLEASE dont do this. Learnig skills are the most boring skills in EVE. Please just leave them as they are. oh yeah and like 45 days til bs 5 is better? I can learn 3 Adv learning skills from 4 to 5 in that time. _________________________________________
Lilith StarFire	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:31:00 - [58] Nope, enough learning, except maybe for an advanced learning, but lets us get DNA mutators instead
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:36:00 - [59] Give me something where i can take 1/2 of my memory and put it in Perception or willpower for a week or something. I could jump into a clone with a (1/2 memory +to perception implant) and train my BS 5. _________________________________________
UGWidowmaker Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:50:00 - [60] mmm yes something like molecular techmology wich need ot be done at soem pos. mmm wich ofc has a risk.. byt say u need to be there for 1 hour maybe 2 while they change your atributes. would ROCK.. PS make it posible to remote destroy jump clones ffs. I will make u into biosource...
Firebyrd Gallente Crooked River Productions	Posted - 2006.10.14 14:39:00 - [61] Edited by: Firebyrd on 14/10/2006 14:39:55 i never could understand where they was pulling their numbers from, takes 15 days for each advanced learning skills to go from lvl 4 to lvl 5, and yet it drops every skill it uses as a primary about 2 days off the total time, then about 1 day off it as a secondary, per learning skill lvl, so in effect on a BS skill its taken 20-30 days off the training if not more to train lvl 1 to lvl 5, from having no skills to lvl 5 advanced.... thats an immedient impact on training time, and it took what all of 8 weeks to do this, and thats not even a constant training of learning skiils, add implants... well u take the time to train them, or u live with double even triple the time to train skills need to do much of anything, with out the learning skills ----------------------------------------------- In the End , there can be only 1 Learn from yesterday, that u may be stronger tomorrow
Edhel Eternal Silence Ltd.	Posted - 2006.10.14 14:54:00 - [62] yeah if they can only be bought in 0.0, and will prevent the use of implants! sounds fair enuff
Picschus	Posted - 2006.10.14 15:56:00 - [63] will be better if they release learning skill which affect only basic common skills. Nice for new players.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.14 17:17:00 - [64] The only possible learning skill I could see having any point in being released would be the 'advanced' version of 'learning'. It'd give the 2% stat bonus like the basic skill, and have the rank 3 of the other adv learning skills. Even then, it's just another skill people will feel they need. Adding a 3rd tier of stat boosting skills would just be stabbed people in the back, and twisting the knife a few times. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
M4sterm1nd DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.15 11:14:00 - [65] Originally by: without 200mil per book, sale by npcs would make my day :P Oi Sisyphus, u a glutton for boredom or what?
Arimus Darkhart	Posted - 2006.10.15 11:18:00 - [66] Daft idea: Why not make it so that over time of using a skill (say for mining - time based, gunner/missile - number of shots etc) you slowly gain extra SP's in that skill which work towards the next skill level - that way you've got a closer mirror of how RL works... you learn a skill, as you use the skill your competence increases. If after a period of time you fail to use your skill (say a couple of months) it slowly fades.
FawKa Gallente Old Farts The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.15 11:28:00 - [67] And why do you want these? It wouldnt change anything, exept anyone will just earn isk faster and faster. Its just stupid that you guys wants the one thing after another. After adv adv learning skills you want adv adv adv learning skills for 500m a skill.. and that wouldnt change anything either except you jsut screw the entire concept of EVE skill traning.. geez.. The training time is just fine now, deal with it..
Dren'a Riix	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:32:00 - [68] No thank you.
M4sterm1nd DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.17 20:28:00 - [69] Originally by: Arimus Darkhart Daft idea: OvO ORLI? Homework : go pod urself without clone update. Might give you some insight into how people would feel about losing skills to disuse. Headline one-liners: Suicidal Teen Kills Twin By Mistake! (My sig left after Eldo called her fat)
Na Jenton	Posted - 2006.10.17 23:59:00 - [70] N *************************************** Stolen from a thief, so its the Right Thing to DoÖ Such a funny picture, go forth and spread the joy!

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