I actually didn't wanted to reveal these numbers before i did my "How to blitz LvL 4 guide" but i guess i will never finish it anyway.
Numbers are with a perfect skilled Machariel/Frigate char +5 damage imps + a high grade warp speed set and all other relevant skills at 5.

Average number of Burner missions were 7.6/h
All numbers were gained via over +20h gaming time and specifically aiming for Burner missions
With a conversion rate for LP at 2000

System security = 0.461
ISK/h = 130.77m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 129,786
Wealth/h ~ 390m

System security = 0.520
ISK/h = 125.89m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 124,588
Wealth/h ~ 373m

System security = 0.723
ISK/h = 101.94m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 92,892
Wealth/h ~ 285m





And if you don't believe, i don't care.

@Market McSelling Alt

On avrg. a Burner mission is 3 jumps out, if it is more you decline it. With a Frig + warp speed imps you need ~35s per jump.
6jumps = 210s (3.5min)
Avrg. time for a Burner mission is ~2.5min
That's roughly 6min.
Each Burner is 5m bountys + rewards + 10k to 14k LP depending on the system security.

The difference in ISK/h is the system security, what else.

Wrong. The average distance is much more than 3 jumps. Osmon and Ap are where you are running your missions to get anywhere near the consistent lp conversion and both those in particular are going to send you into lowsec often.

Again, you listed the sec status of three SoE systems, which means I know the exact payouts, I listed Osmons exact payout and under perfect conditions and I mean absolutely perfect you are going to get 253mil/hr doing nothing but Burner Agents and ignoring repair, ammo and drone costs.

WTB Burner mission that pays out 17.2mil isk please... in less than 8 minutes.

Also why the wild swings in bounties between the sec status?

Or how about this. An Agent burner pays out 2.66mil for the mission and a bonus of 2.66mil

Also at .7 sec status they are a 11,500 lp payout... The bounty is always 5mil.

Which means 10.32mil in mission pay and LP conversion of 23mil @ 2000 (lulz)

given you said 7.6 burners per hour, which I find hard to believe anyways, you are looking at 33.32mil x 7.6 even if you are getting the maximum payout Agent missions only... or 253.232mil

So on the surface your numbers are suspect, but add in the fact that you are eventually going to completely screw up your standings declining dozens of missions every hour just to get that many burners, and that you are often sent to lowsec for burners which will eventually result in a several hundred million isk frigate loss...

OK, sure, we believe you

Lanngisi burners never take you to losec (Lanngisis is 0.46 sec status in a pocket with no losec and only one exit - Hek) and pay over 14k SOE LP which works out at 30 mill ISK per mission just from the LP. (more if you save the LP and cash it in at Amarr rather than Hek)

Getting enough of those can be an issue though. Having one agent limits you a lot.

Lanngisi burners never take you to losec (Lanngisis is 0.46 sec status in a pocket with no losec and only one exit - Hek) and pay over 14k SOE LP which works out at 30 mill ISK per mission just from the LP. (more if you save the LP and cash it in at Amarr rather than Hek)

Getting enough of those can be an issue though. Having one agent limits you a lot.

Those are certainly not average figures for highsec. You are best casing mission running, especially with your quoted LP figures. Unless you consider a partly faction fit Paladin to be a below average speed mission boat, in which case, again you are biasing your figures assuming perfect (& worth ganking) bling boats.

With regards to Null Sec incursions, have you taken into account the increase to 15 pilots on VG fleets and the effect that has on completion time even allowing for lower value fits? As that seems low for good VG fleets and 15 pilots with T2 should be faster than 10 with faction fits.
Unless again you aren't assuming average fits but the officer fit ISN bling fleets as your case study.

I had one yesterday sending me into lowsec from there. So.... No they don't never send you to lowsec. Though it is a lower chance.

Interesting thread.. Just wondering how the SmartBombing Ratters match up..

Although it requires 4 toons that is by far the some of the most lucrative isk in this game and it is a constant stream 24/7 anytime you want in null?

If it still works which I have not done it in like a year or more it was like 550-600 Mil an Hour not counting esculations and faction spawns which happen roughly 2 per hour once you get in a groove.

Not to mention the initial isk input of about 3 Bil for the proper ships and smartbombs, and the need for .8 or lower space. ( You need this space because you need at minimum 6 Havens so you have at least 3 gated, you can literally run them faster then they can spawn in any other space killing your isk per hour )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hAMnfgbLT0

My original post are avrg. numbers, lets do some reverse math for Lanngisi:
System security = 0.461
ISK/h = 130.77m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 129,786
Wealth/h ~ 390m

Burner Mission in Lanngisi:
~ 5m bounty + 6.5m reward ~11.5m
~ 14k LP reward

130m/11.5m = 11.30 Burner mission per hour.
130,000/14,000 = 9.28 Burner mission per hour.
Those numbers mean, i wasn't doing Burner missions exclusively and i actually did a lot Assault. That explains the surplus of ISK and deficit of LP.

Anyway the best way is test it for yourself if you don't believe my numbers. Key points are:
- Perfect skilled Machariel/Frigate char +5 damage imps + a high grade warp speed set and all other relevant skills at 5.
- Don't accept Burner mission which are more than +3jumps out
- Don't accept normal mission out of the pool i posted here which are more than +2jumps out and always blitz them if possible
- Make sure your agent standing is at avrg. 0. In case you start fresh or have a very bad streak you might have to accept more normal mission out of this pool for Minmatar and Amarr agents.
Pirate Invasion GÇô Angel
Attack of the Drones GÇô Drones
Mining Misappropriation GÇô Sansha
Stop The Thief GÇô Mercs
Gone Berserk GÇô EOM

avoid this pool if you can:
Unauthorized Military GÇô Angel
Blockade GÇô Angel
Pirate Invasion GÇô Sansha
Damsel in Distress GÇô Mercs
XXX Spies GÇô Angel
Right Hand of Zazzmatazz GÇô Mercs
Rogue Slave Trader 1+2 GÇô Sansha
Infiltrated Outposts GÇô Drone

And decline all other missions.


This is a copy/paste from my sheet for different runs in Lanngisi:
LP/h ISKm/h
129,797 131
122,487 117
120,110 119
138,956 134
125,218 126
129,281 143
142,656 146

Avrg.:
129.786130.77

You just told us you averaged 7.6 Burners per hour... so now you are just pulling crap out of your back end? You also claimed to do a Burner undock to dock in 6 minutes but now you are claiming to do more than 10 an hour?

All this while also doing regular missions on top?! just stop, you're busted.

Also, if you are running for Amarr or Min agents you are not getting anywhere near 2000isk/lp on a consistent basis. There is a very limted number of items from a very limited number of agents that can do that. Double busted.

On avrg. a Burner mission is 2 jumps out, if it is more than 3 jumps you decline it (often you have 1 or 2 jumps out). With a Frig + warp speed imps you need ~35s per jump.
6jumps = 210s (3.5min)
Avrg. time for a Burner mission is ~2.5min
That's roughly 6min with maximal 3 jumps out.

You sure as hell have absolutely no clue.

Yes, i said the i get 7.6 Burner missions per hour on average, that does not mean i didn't do some normal mission too. Read my original post very carefully.
It says you have to accept some normal mission too otherwise your agent standing will be screwed in the long term aka you get below -2. You can't force pure Burner missions.

@Jenn aSide

I know, that's one of the reasons why i posted my numbers here. My goal was to write a full "how to blitz LvL 4" and just see the faction item and tag market burn/explode but i'm to lazy/less time to do it.
The LP and ISK from declining bad LvL 4 to get as many Burner Missions as possible are ridiculous, if like 25% of all mission runner would do it the market would crash and you can already see the writing on the wall.

If you team up with a real partner in a fleet you sure as hell could do only Burner missions, i would love to see your numbers on that.

You aren't running that many burners AND regular missions in one hour. It simply cannot be done. You literally would be completing a mission in under 4 minutes to do what you said and with the set of missions listed that is impossible.

And again this guy proves my point. He doesn't know how to do something, so it must be impossible.

Here's a guy doing it in low sec, regular missions, a few minutes between each one with a paper thin Naga. you can do the EXACT same thing in high sec if you know where to mission (like my spot, 6 lvl 4 agents withing 2 jumps of the home station, with corps that have mining implants or 5 run BPCs, a Thukker agent nearby thrown into the mix helps too).

So again, thank you for demonstrating your marked lack of PVE experience, people who read this thread now know who to listen to, and more importantly, who not to. Thanks for the help.

Second it was 22 minutes of cherry picking level 3's with a multiple agent station

Third, it was lowsec, not highsec and LP rewards are almost double out there.

Fourth, it was 22 minutes that started with a preload of three missions. Regardless it was impressive but knowing who he is running missions for he is not getting good LP conversion from Z&S so his numbers are wack.

Fifth, he has to watch very closely as you can see around the 10 minute mark to not fall under -2 as he would be banned from those missions.



But good spin attempt.

Edit: If you think a Naga is paper thin you know very little about the ship

Stuff

Yeah because I said he was "ONLY" doing level 3's? No I believe he was cherry picking 3s and 4s

His very own thread in Russian forums is filled with people calling him out. Also his mission times were not all that impressive, averaged 4 minutes a mission for less than 6000 lp per mission average.

I have run more missions for more years than I care to admit. I am not a professional forum troll like you, this is just a passing interest. But you are hilarious moving your goal posts all over to save your point. We were not just talking mission times, we were talking the viability of the total claim.

Buffer Naga for missions... oh boy. Just going to point out that you have been correct about one thing, that is this thread is full of people who can and who cannot do PVE well... And you are definitely someone who's forum skills match the lack of their PVE skills.

It is only possible to make 300mil isk per hour doing level 4's in highsec if you have an absolutely perfect set of circumstances and it is nearly impossible to maintain. Also it is nearly impossible without multiple characters.

You seem to be on a crusade Jenn, and you are letting it cloud your judgement.

You aren't running that many burners AND regular missions in one hour. It simply cannot be done. You literally would be completing a mission in under 4 minutes to do what you said and with the set of missions listed that is impossible.

Good try though. But you got Jenn A on your side, so you pretty much already lost the argument.

It also ceases to be that income per hour when you have a fleet of toons that pull missions together. At that point you have to divide your income per hour by each toon as the LP and rewards are being split among them all

Again i am talking here about averages. That means i could run like 10x Burner + xx normal ones or like 3x Burner + xx normal ones. It depends on RNG what the agent throws at you.
Anyway some more numbers, mission times in this case, all times are blitzing times aka fastest possible. They do not include travel times. Be aware of the different time setup 3:45min means 3min+45s and it is not equal to 3.45min
Main pool:
0:37min Recon - Part 1 only
2:10min Dread Pirate Scarlet
4:07min Assault GÇô Serpentis
3:45min Assault GÇô Guristas
4:55min Enemies Abound - Part 1 only
0:20min Pot and Kettle - Part 1
2nd tier pool:
3:15min Pirate Invasion GÇô Angel
2:02min Attack of the Drones GÇô Drones
7:35min Mining Misappropriation GÇô Sansha
1:07min Stop The Thief GÇô Mercs
2:45min Gone Berserk GÇô EOM

As you can see an Assault takes ~4min as every Assault is in system add an extra 1min (Machariel warp speed is ~5.5AU) for warping to the mission and back to station, roughly 5min to complete it.
Now back to average stuff:
10x Burner missions at average ~50min
2x Assault ~10min
or
7.6x Burner missions at average ~38min
xx normal mission ~22min (any combination form the main pool)




This last sentence proves again you did not understand a thing. Jenn was talking about fleeting up with a real player, both doing the same, blitzing missions on their own like hell and share the reward and standing, that is a sneaky way to avoid getting close to a -2 agent standing.
Do you understand?

Everything ended when you just said "they do not include travel times"

That is just fail. As if game time, real life time and all calculations stop with your stopwatch. Mission income MUST include travel time or it is just BS coming from a dark, moist place on your posterior.