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LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.15 08:53:00 - [1] Originally by: tiller IMHO with low grade sets going for about 800m and full sets around 2bill they should be overpowered. 2bill isk should make you worth two normal pilots end of story. If you're going to risk that kind of isk and got the balls to do it then reaping the rewards of your bravery is only fair. Bringing EVERYTHING in game to the same level is turning what was a exciting game of extreme setups and risk into a dull level play field where everyrone is equal, noone has the upper hand it's all just luck. JUST LEAVE THINGS ALONE for the love of god. You know... talisman implants doesn't make you 2 pilots, and their price is low since they suck at careberism. For pvp value, they turn certain ships into nightmares. You meet domi with lg. talismans and you know what happened to your cap in < 17.5s. And their price is close to ordinary t1 implants. Sig is not eve related Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.15 09:14:00 - [2] Originally by: tiller Originally by: Kaylana Syi Welcome to EVE ladies and gents... the game where the player market pricing has nothing to do with the developers decisions to balance broken modules. They are grossly overpowered in PvE. Plain and simple. To the nerf mobile tuxman. I've got a great idea, for the ult balance once and for all. We can all fly exactly the same ship. Each ship has 1 launcher, 1 mining laser, 1 cyno generator, 1 cloak, 1 tracking disruptor, 1 smartbomb. Would be fun fun fun btw, generally those who shout BROKEN NERF IT fall into one of 3 cats... 1. they cannot use the item 2. they cannot afford the item 3. they got bbq'd because of the item nuff said 1. is usually most common reason, also known under name imbalance. Sig is not eve related Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.15 10:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Grey Area Originally by: lofty29 No, they're broke because they increase a tank which can run forever (Gist X- Large shield booster + hardners w/ pdus in lows) and make it 66% stronger, which IS overpowered. Wheras us armor reppers only get 66% more armor It's your use of the word "us" that gives the true reason for your whine. "I can't use it, so it must be overpowered". You fall into category 1 as given earlier. That category is called IMBALANCED. Otherwise there would be no wish and no whining about using it. ps. i can use it, have it, just don't want to stick it in, since i don't need it. Sig is not eve related Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 08:57:00 - [4] Originally by: Grey Area Originally by: inSpirAcy Originally by: LVSOCOM I'd rather see the Slave set get changed to an equivilant to the Crystal set, then any changes be made to the Crystals. Oi, leave the slave set alone. HP > repair ability on small ships. Ah, I see. It's okay to break the shield boosting implants, but the same "balance" applied in reverse would be somehow unfair? Thank you SO much for clearing that up... Snip you are bitter since you will no longer be able to afk through lvl4? Buy apoc :P Or maybe do lvl4 in intys if slaves are that good. Sig is not eve related Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 16:22:00 - [5] Edited by: LUKEC on 16/10/2006 16:23:05 Originally by: Rawthorm People need to actualy realize that Crystal implants are not over powered in PvP. Sure it gives shield tanking a greater sustainability (still nothing compared to an armor tank tho) but thats if you an NPC'er. A Caldari PvP'er has to fit a scrambler, (and if your a raven pilot a painter or web so you can actualy hit anything smaller than you) Once you take into account all the utilities you have to fit it really does not leave alot of room for a tank like the other races get. This implant set has allowed Caldari ships (and especialy the smaller ones with limited mid slots) to perform on par with their other racial counterparts. Change the implants and we may as well all go back to flying nothing but EW boats cos we sure as hell wont compete in a straight up fight. My raven works fine vs everything apart from intys orbiting at 25+km range. Spare us stuff about painter or web, you don't need it. I smacked blastertaranis that tried to tackle me in 1 volley everytime when he tried to do it. Hacs, cruisers die like there's no tomorrow and dual rep astarte died in 5 volleys(that makes 28s, t2 stuff only) (deimos with dual explo hardeners died in 7 :P). Plus argument about scrambler isn't that good, unless you fly raven alone... see where this is heading. Use javelins, till you can. Sig is not eve related Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 18:39:00 - [6] Edited by: LUKEC on 17/10/2006 18:42:26 Edited by: LUKEC on 17/10/2006 18:41:04 Originally by: Rawthorm Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen Quote: This set has always allowed me to drop my amp for a scrambler Your tacklers should be scrambling for you so this isn't really needed, unless you're solo'ing in a bs and think you should for some reason be a solo pwnmobile. Also, it irritates me that you can fit a scrambler, have an implant set effectively give you another mid slot+, and have a gank fitting in your low slots. And yet people are still here whining that it's unfair you're going to be brought in line with other pirate implants (don't forget your tank will still be far above standard). So you dont fit a scrambler on your mega or apoc then? Sramblers are essential on a BS in small scale combat because more often than not your tackler cant last the duration and has to bail. He should only need to get the tackle until your BS can take over. As for the "free mid slot item", what about the no penilty plate the slaves give you? Have you ever seen what a Neutron fitting mega can do to you with 2 "vurtual 1600mm plates" that the slave set gives you? Not to mention the boost safety barrier they give to hacs command ships and recons. "2 virtual plates" are exactly 3520 armor (mega after skills has cca 6600 armor, so you get 0.53 more... ) For comparison, 1600mm rolled tungsten gives 4200 armor after skills. So based on your logic, you are complaining implants better than best officer boost amp are inferior to implants between 2. and 3. named t1 plate?
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Choi Originally by: LUKEC "2 virtual plates" are exactly 3520 armor (mega after skills has cca 6600 armor, so you get 0.53 more... ) For comparison, 1600mm rolled tungsten gives 4200 armor after skills. So based on your logic, you are complaining implants better than best officer boost amp are inferior to implants between 2. and 3. named t1 plate? boosting % and plates are 2 different things. Plates stack every time you put those 1600mm rolled tungstens u get that amount of armor and IIRC the slaves will stack after you put more 1600's on. So after you put that 1600 plates on and your mega has 10k armor with skills and the mod the slaves should pop it up to 15k and so on. The shield amping is based on percent, which has a stacking penalty that takes the crystal set into account. So you are telling me that... raven with t2 xl booster, boost amp and crystals won't boost 600x1.3x1.53? (1.53 beeing crystal set factor) Or will the stacking penalty kick in once you fit 2 boost amps? Well also mass will go up and there isn't many ships that easily fit more than 2 plates anyway(ok lolergeddon with 5x plates, 3x hs II ... ). Like you can't fit more than 2 amps effectively(effectively = there can be better effect achieved by using other modules of similar price) Yes i'm well aware what your point is, but plates and pimp wagons are ugh... WTB chelm's modified plate...
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 21:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Ampoliros I'd just like to point out, though, that aside from faction/deadspace gear, its much easier to get a perma-sustainable armor tank than a shield tank. 5x PDSs and 2x cap recharger 2s still isn't sustainable with an XL SB2 (on a raven/scorp), whereas 2-3x CPRs and 4-5x cap recharger (best named) will run 2x LAR2s forever. You don't need permatank for anything. Not that you will tank all that well with all those relays. Ps.only battleship with viable permatank dual lar is apoc.

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