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J'Jenksie
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Posted - 2006.10.16 03:23:00 -
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ok here goes, nearly every other ceptor ranges around 6-9mil, apart from tanaris which goes for around 15mil, but the crow 23-30mil is pathetic.
I wouldn't mind if insurance goes of a percentage of what you paid, but i buy a crow for 23mil, an get insurance for what 2mil . Yes they are poppers an inty's pop pretty easy, so im bound to lose a few ISK's..
Why so much for a frig people, the prices for a crow are insane. And alot of people say thier ****, i for 1 dont think thier ****, i think thier the best damn frig out there (part from (assault frigs).
Anyways thats my rant ova lol,
Do any other in here think the prices for the insurance an the actual ship abit stupid, for how pop prone the ship is ?
J'J
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Mr Ninjaface
Minmatar
Shurekin INC
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Posted - 2006.10.16 03:29:00 -
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Insurance on any t2 ship is a joke get use to it 
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Vendorella
University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.10.16 03:30:00 -
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The ship is so expensive not because of the price to manufacture, but because that is the price the market will bear for that product. If demand drops, then it stands to reason that prices will drop as well. If you don't like the price, don't buy the ship.
Insurance only pays costs to manufacture. If you think the Crow is expensive, look at the insurance payout for a HAC (ie. the Deimos) compared to the purchase.
If you can't afford to lose it, don't buy it.
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Paddlefoot Aeon
Neogen Industries
Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.10.16 03:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Vendorella
The ship is so expensive not because of the price to manufacture, but because that is the price the market will bear for that product. If demand drops, then it stands to reason that prices will drop as well. If you don't like the price, don't buy the ship.
Insurance only pays costs to manufacture. If you think the Crow is expensive, look at the insurance payout for a HAC (ie. the Deimos) compared to the purchase.
If you can't afford to lose it, don't buy it.
Sorry, forgot to set my main as default.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.16 03:35:00 -
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its tech 2 stop whining
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.16 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vendorella
The ship is so expensive not because of the price to manufacture, but because that is the price the market will bear for that product. If demand drops, then it stands to reason that prices will drop as well. If you don't like the price, don't buy the ship.
Insurance only pays costs to manufacture. If you think the Crow is expensive, look at the insurance payout for a HAC (ie. the Deimos) compared to the purchase.
If you can't afford to lose it, don't buy it.
Thats only part of the issue.
Even if T2 ships were sold with the same profit margin as T1 ships, the insurance would still cover only a small part of it.
This is because the insurance cost/payout is based on mineral costs, and the T2 components arent valued for very much (nowhere near market value), so the payout isnt far above the payout for the T1 hull used in the construction.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.16 03:38:00 -
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market supply and demand and ISK sink get used to it
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Murukan
Minmatar
The Priory
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.16 03:51:00 -
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because crows are stupid easy to fly so lots of people fly them and demand is very very high. Leads to price inflation.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.16 04:01:00 -
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they are still prepared to fly so prices stay where they are supply and demand maybe
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Acinonyx Jubatus
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.16 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: J'Jenksie
i think thier the best damn frig out there (part from (assault frigs).
There you go.... You've got your answer...
It's fast.
Newbs and vets alike can fly it almost equally due to the lack of tracking need for the missiles.
High demand, low supply, jacked up prices.
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rodgerd
Gallente
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.16 04:04:00 -
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Easy, just nerf the Crow until it's only as good as an Ares. Then the price will fall. Problem solved.
Oh, I'm sorry, you wanted the uber-Inty for the same price as the mediocre ones? So sorry.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.16 04:05:00 -
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Welcome to the wonderfull world of T2. Just wait till you try to insure one of the Not-so-popular HACs. :)
Originally by: Wrangler
Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2006.10.16 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Acinonyx Jubatus
It's fast.
Newbs and vets alike can fly it almost equally due to the lack of tracking need for the missiles.
High demand, low supply, jacked up prices.
Ah! You were doing so well until that last remark.
When will people realise that T2 prices don't need to be "jacked up", i.e. artificially raised? Supply and demand does that all by itself. 
"If you kill all the wolves, you're gonna have a crapload of bunnies. And by bunnies I mean stupid people." Ask Ninja |
Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.16 04:21:00 -
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supply and demand based on market forces. CCP need to push t1 on the same direction
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Dannek
Llama F5 and Associates
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Posted - 2006.10.16 05:49:00 -
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Insurance should work like reverse real world insurance: The safer you are with your stuff, the higher the premium and the lower the payout, the more incredibly stupid you are, the more you get back on it.
That way people will be running out to 0.0 to engage in battles with all the pirates complaining about lack of targets.
And when the pirates DO get popped, they have to pay hella much becuase they're so er337.
Well, I mean, it'd solve the "problem", but no way in hell CCP would do it.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.16 05:55:00 -
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pirates need a boost not a nerf 
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Apothos
Loot
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Posted - 2006.10.16 06:03:00 -
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Pirates are fine, bounty hunters and low-sec need a boost, but that's a different can of worms.
Yeah, I agree that the insurance and prices suck for T2 ships(especially HACs), but in Eve most of the time you get what you paid for, and T2 ships are pretty damn good most of the time, and a lot of fun to fly
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spurious signal
Caldari
Brainiacs
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Posted - 2006.10.16 06:06:00 -
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You couldn't have insurance match market prices in any way on T2 since if they did then T2 manufacturers would simply build stuff, insure it, then blow it up.
Market cost is way above mineral/manufacturing cost because that's what people are prepared to pay because the supply is limited by the T2 BPO lottery.
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Swor
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.10.16 06:06:00 -
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Welcome to the T2 market!
i love how the price of 1MN MWD T2s have risen 2-3mill AKA 40% in 2 months
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ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.16 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
This is because the insurance cost/payout is based on mineral costs, and the T2 components arent valued for very much (nowhere near market value), so the payout isnt far above the payout for the T1 hull used in the construction.
Kind sir, please point me in the direction of these people who will pay 2 mil for a Condor.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.10.16 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Ninjaface
Insurance on any t2 ship is a joke get use to it
There is no point of insuring T2 even
.. I felt warm and fussy inside when I lost my Absolution (costed me 200mil) and payout was 20mil. Yay! 
Unnerf Amarr!Ö
"I read somewhere that Kali will be featuring turn-based combat to increase immersion." ¬ Waagaa Ktlehr
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Pabs Sco
Caldari
Ecosse
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Posted - 2006.10.16 06:32:00 -
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Insurance is not the problem.
Its the cost of the ship that is.
Insurance covers the minerals needed to build it using NPC base prices.
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zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.10.16 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Pabs Sco
Insurance is not the problem.
Its the cost of the ship that is.
No. There is no problem, period.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.16 07:08:00 -
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insurance is fine as is
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Vince Draken
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.16 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord
market supply and demand and ISK sink get used to it
err no
If I had 10 isk everytime someone mentioned an isk sink and were wrong, I'd be a trillionaire.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.16 07:44:00 -
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that said any trillionares in game yet
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Jane Spondogolo
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Posted - 2006.10.16 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord
supply and demand based on market forces. CCP need to push t1 on the same direction
Nonsense. The T1 market is a good example of a functioning healthy Free market, with a fair degree of production diversity and competition. The T2 market is absolutely riddled with Cartels, price fixing and anti-competitive behaviour (For instance, covops cloak cartel, and swafers attempts to menace competition in the Hulk market a while back. Consequently, the natural dynamics of the market are somewhat broken. More producers = a more responsive market. Monopolies for "essential" items (ie covops cloaks) means the producer, within some rather broad limits, can ask whatever goddamn price he wants and buyer be damned. Thats why in RL govts spend alot of time pursuing monopolists with the full weight of legislation.
CCP , I believe are aware of the economic madness in the T2 market, and seem to be interested in repairing it (ie, invention or whatever its called this week). In my opinion, it'd serve the whole game community better just to seed the T2 BPO market at the NPC level, but I can see there would be a lot of angry T2 producers howling that their precious anti-competitive racketeering days would be over.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.16 08:26:00 -
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CCP like the cartels
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.10.16 08:48:00 -
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Insurance is based on what it takes to build it. If you cannot afford it, bad luck. Also, post in the ship forums, that's what it is there for.
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.10.16 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jane Spondogolo
Originally by: Miss Overlord
supply and demand based on market forces. CCP need to push t1 on the same direction
Nonsense. The T1 market is a good example of a functioning healthy Free market, with a fair degree of production diversity and competition. The T2 market is absolutely riddled with Cartels, price fixing and anti-competitive behaviour (For instance, covops cloak cartel, and swafers attempts to menace competition in the Hulk market a while back. Consequently, the natural dynamics of the market are somewhat broken. More producers = a more responsive market. Monopolies for "essential" items (ie covops cloaks) means the producer, within some rather broad limits, can ask whatever goddamn price he wants and buyer be damned. Thats why in RL govts spend alot of time pursuing monopolists with the full weight of legislation.
T1 market... that's a joke right? There is no T1 market.
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I heard that *beats player with big stick* now be a good carebear and mine me some veldspar - Xorus |
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