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Tim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.10.16 08:56:00 -
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I, personally, would never insure a tech 2 frigate.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.16 09:45:00 -
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Why not fly Raptor? It is better than Crow.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.16 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/10/2006 10:21:16
For those, who moan about the insurance payout of highly demanded tech-2 ships:
If you would get high insurance payouts, like 70% of the current price, then more people would fly those ships, they'd use them more often, risk more with them and also lose more.
The result would be that the price of these ships increases, until the demands is gone back to current state (= current fixed supply).
So you'd gain nothing over time. The only ones, who'd really profit from higher insurance payouts, are the tech-2 ship producers, because the extra-money from higher insurances would end in their pockets.
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Deva Blackfire
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.16 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 16/10/2006 10:36:25
nevermind ;p
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Cmdr Sy
Off Balance Sheet Entity
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Posted - 2006.10.16 10:44:00 -
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 Originally by: J'Jenksie
Do any other in here think the prices for the insurance an the actual ship abit stupid, for how pop prone the ship is ?
That's why it's called an 'elite' frigate. Same principle applies here as in life - if you have to ask, you can't afford it.
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Okkie2
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Posted - 2006.10.16 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
Thats only part of the issue.
Even if T2 ships were sold with the same profit margin as T1 ships, the insurance would still cover only a small part of it.
This is because the insurance cost/payout is based on mineral costs, and the T2 components arent valued for very much (nowhere near market value), so the payout isnt far above the payout for the T1 hull used in the construction.
It's not only part of the issue. T2 components also are more expensive then it the manufacturing cost because of supply/demand.Thereforethe market value of T2 components is also too high compared to the real costs. So if T2 comps and the ships itself were sold at the same profit margins as T1 ships the insurance would cover the price.
Main problem whith a higher insurance pay-out is the ships will be more expensive. One because more people are flying them -> more demand, but also the blow-up value will increase -> building the ship and selfdestructing it will give you a higher insurance payout value, so no need to put them on the market and try to sell them.
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Ginger Magician
Minmatar
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.16 11:19:00 -
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Well last night I popped a vagabond which was selling in the region for 270mill.
That person will have got insurance payment of around 8mill I think with max insurance so he must be crying now.He was in fact
His friends in the dominix and the stabber werent very happy either
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy
Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.16 11:34:00 -
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what? you actually found a crow on the market? where!!? honestly, it's damn hard to even find a crow these days, a simple interceptor that even comes as agent offers sometimes pfft.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.16 11:35:00 -
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hey supply drying up as 2-5 month old peeps from the last growth spurt start wanting these hsips 0 enyo prices are falling for some odd reason tho
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Ansuru Starlancer
The Phoenix Rising
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.10.16 11:46:00 -
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enyo prices are falling because everybody loves the Ishkur so much. =P
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.16 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 16/10/2006 11:55:05
There is nothing wrong with insurance values.
Scammer gets T2 ship bpo. Scammer's corp owns several pos so he gets components for cheap. Scammer builds, insures and then self destructs the ship - how much insurance should he get - simple - no more than his cost in building. T2 components will have to be priced on a basis of no profit, which is what the NPC market does. That is it - end of story.
Otherwise the scammer will build ships for 4mil, sell them on market for 200mil. Buy them with a alt and self destruct to get a free 200mil.
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Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.16 11:55:00 -
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meh it is a tech 2 ship insure has never been any good for them, and for the price you are at the mercy of the ebbs and flows of a dynamic economy, it's part of the game get used to it
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Uggster
Caldari
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.16 12:11:00 -
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OH MY GODDZZZOORRSSS ALL MY T2 KIT WAS DESTROYED AS WELL AS MY T2 SHIP WHY IS T2 STUFF, LIKE, SO WEAK WHY DOES IT NOT TELEPORT TO MY NEAREST HANGER I MEAN, LIKE, OMGOZORZZZ111 CCP SORT IT OUT OR ILL QUIT AND SO WILL EVERYONE ELSE COS YOPUR ALL THWE SUXXXORRRR1111OMGZZZORRSSS AND DONT KNOW WHATS RUINING THIS GAMEZOOORRZZZZZZZ
In case anyone did not know.
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Lunachan
Minmatar
One of These Days
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Posted - 2006.10.16 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Plutoinum
Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/10/2006 10:40:17
For those, who moan about the insurance payout of highly demanded tech-2 ships:
If you would get high insurance payouts, like 70% of the current price, then more people would fly those ships, they'd use them more often, risk more with them and also lose more.
The result would be that the price of these ships increases, until the demand (at that price) is gone back to current demand (= current fixed supply).
To make it clearer: The price for those undersupplied ships will always rise, until the number of interested buyers meets the number of ships put on the market. E.g. for a vagabonds that's around 300mil currently. Make flying vagabonds 50mil cheaper due to better insurance payouts, then the price for a vagabond will rise by roughly 50 mil to bring the numbers of interested buyers back to the same level that we have now.
So you'd gain nothing over time. The only ones, who'd really profit from higher insurance payouts, are the tech-2 ship producers, because the extra-money from higher insurances would end in their pockets.
A very easy to understand and logical answer. Thank you.
'If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.'
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.16 12:24:00 -
[45]
T2 prices are over inflated, and eveyone knows it.
Heres dreaming of Kali and invention.........
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