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Soraya Silvermoon
Never'where
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:05:00 -
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There is no doubt that there is to many players on our main server at the moment. Technology got its limits.
The odd lag and problem days I never bothered about but its now gone on for like half a year with every sunday being laghell and when it becomes regular its not acceptable any more when your paying for it.
I think solution would have to be another server as even this server improves all the time it gets nowhere as the player base is growing too.
There are several ways of making a new server.
1: make region servers for regions in the world. However half my eve experience is meeting ppl from the "other side" of the world
2: make a new server and let players choose wich to be on and let players move over if they wish with or without assets.
3: make a new server thats connected to the one we have and let the players be able to move back and forth. Only have a time nerf on traveling between (say takes 24 hours where you can do nothing) so that ppl dont run to jita to shop anyeway.
4: any other option.
My question to the eve comunitie however is:
HOW MANY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MOVING OVER TO A NEW SERVER IF ONE WAS PUT UP?
(to bad I cant create a poll)
I know I would.
Oh and I`m in no way connected to CCP I`m just a Curious player frustrated about the server status atm. Post your opinion but try keep it simple and to topic. Yes or no...
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Xandria Pearl
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:07:00 -
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Hello. No thanx.
A single server is what makes Eve unique 
(although it's not working -lagwise- as we would all hope)
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:08:00 -
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ummm maybe... cant say for sure. unless they offer it then will be able to answer honestly.
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Aquila Lightwielder
N.A.G.A Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:12:00 -
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more than one server would totally kill of what makes eve unique
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Moggs
Gallente
Twisted Attitude
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:13:00 -
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No
I vote for New Extra Nodes, say another 60
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Hyo Velka
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Xandria Pearl
Hello. No thanx.
A single server is what makes Eve unique
(although it's not working -lagwise- as we would all hope)
Its not what makes Eve, EVE tho. Players make a game, along with other things, and even if EVE lost its uniqueness of a single server, there would still be enough players to run a second. If anyone would quit over something so trivial as a second server, then they take this game FAR to seriously.
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Neveren
Caldari
The Taining corp
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:16:00 -
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The idea of a new server does indeed, and would quite possible Ruin the idea of EVE.
however. with lag becoming ever more noticble and more people complaining.
the notion of a NEW server.. with new hardware and NO way to transfer between, IE A new server.. no SP.. NO tech 2 yet.. IE Starting over.. with say a 1 month Notice of when its going up so that people can have plenty of time to decide if they want to start there.
However, once every 6 months, Players on the "NEW" Server May so choose to move to the current Tranq.. therefore.. Big alliances can Stay on tranq... Make the new server kind of a Starter server... without 0.0 maybe.. And once people are ready they can choose to move over to Tranq once they have a feel on the game.
Dunno.. but im open to any ideas to reduce lag thats for sure
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Soraya Silvermoon
Never'where
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:17:00 -
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My question is not if there should be another server and personally I love the one server thing too only you have to be realistic about things too at times.
In the end iT`s CCP who have to decide and they got the knowledge on whats possible or not with the technology we got to our disposal..
My question is simply hypotethical in the Casea server were set up?
WOULD YOU MOVE OVER?
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:21:00 -
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The solution is not split servers. It will hardly help with lag at all.
All it would really do, hypothetically, is kill EVE. It's not going to kill what makes EVE unique, it'll kill what makes EVE EVE.
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Maximillian Power
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:24:00 -
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I hope the developers decide to explain this better than I can but essentially people need to start understanding that Eve is architected in a way that makes the effect of creating a separate server negligible to the lag issues.
The lag issues occur when a single node in the cluster that Eve runs on becomes overloaded due to the number of people who are logged into that node.
This number will NOT be lessened dramatically due to certain tendencies of people.
One of these is the tendency to gather in central locations such as Jita. As all of the people in Jita are on a single node then this node (and only this node) will be lagging due to the quantity of simultaneous actions on that node. In the case of Jita that node is probably just the system of Jita and no other systems. People will congregate in large volumes in systems like Jita regardless of the number of people on the server and so setting up a second server will not stop this. This is because a lot of people who play Eve enjoy the social aspects of the game even if they do not realise that this is the case (Most do).
Another thing which removes the effect of a different server is that people will gather for fleet battles. The node which on which the battle is occurring will have a large volume of people performing simultaneous actions which will cause lag. This will cause every other system on that node to also lag. This is unfortunate for everyone - however once again a second server will not stop this from happening because large fleet battles will still take place.
The devs are working hard to make performance improvements and are working on their infrastructure by investing in some serious hardware. Things will get better - but there will always be lag from time to time due to the nature of people - not the implementation of the game.
I for one don't mind most of the time - although login queues are an annoyance - I think there is a better solution (let the natural order fix things ) - but hopefully they are working on this too..
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Soraya Silvermoon
Never'where
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:26:00 -
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Once again not a discussion about solution or setting up another server... (plenty of threads on that allredy)
WOULD YOU PERSONALLY MOVE OVER?
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Maximillian Power
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Soraya Silvermoon
you have to be realistic about things too at times.
It is not being realistic as you say - because as stated it will not help lag.
Originally by: Soraya Silvermoon
My question is simply hypotethical in the Casea server were set up?
WOULD YOU MOVE OVER?
And all others are saying is that your question is irrelevant because it will not help lag.
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Dreamdancer
Minmatar
Ceryshen Interglobal Technologies
Vanu Space Command
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:31:00 -
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Honestly? I like the single server aspect. The problem as stated is the lag and even with cutting edge tech it's still there. CCP is trying as hard as they can, but the killing lag is still there.
Now was talking to a friend, officemate that plays as well (guess how much we get done each day?  ) Anyways we were talking about the lag issues, log in que, jumping que, ect. Only thing we could think of was a node for each and every system in the game. Yes talking all 5000+.
Would take a office building just to hold them all and would be massively expensive. So odds of happening? Zero would be my guess. But if done then I wouldn't get lagged massively for the system 1 jump over having 300+ people in it though my system only has 40 in it. Even worse get lagged 2 systems over in a system that has 4 people including myself.
Yes I love EVE and have no intention of going anywhere and I am looking forward to Kali. Just a bit disappointed in the game play recently. And I am about as big a carebear as there is. Can only imagine how painful it has been for the pvp'ers. 
So to answer the OP: If things don't change and a second server opened up it certainly wouldn't make me leave the game and I'd be willing to switch servers. Though it seems it isn't a server issue as a node one. As there could be just 5k people on and your node happens to have 500 of them and your gonna lag. So not sure the server idea will solve anything. 
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Moelann
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Moggs
No
I vote for New Extra Nodes, say another 60
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wystler
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Moggs
No
I vote for New Extra Nodes, say another 60
I thought the idea of 60 more nodes was a brilliant one, especially along with another RAMSAN.
If something is slow, you give it more hardware, the right hardware. You don't go and do something rash like starting a second shard. EVE is EVE, its teeming with life, and that's how it should be.
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Soraya Silvermoon
Never'where
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Maximillian Power
And all others are saying is that your question is irrelevant because it will not help lag.
you obviously werent around in 03 with 3000 people on the server.. or even when we had 5 and 10k.. allways lag but serious lag started after 20k.
And back then the servers were even more vulnerable.
OK for current player base 25k online with improvements it would work maby.. But think 100k or even a million.. what then? (the growing rate of eve is exponential if you havent noticed)
But were still not discussing this. Question is if you would move over IF...
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:45:00 -
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Why have 2 crappy servers when you can have one super server? (Talking about hardware)
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:55:00 -
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No.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.16 15:00:00 -
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A single shard is what makes Eve Eve.
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Araxmas
Caldari
Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.16 15:05:00 -
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If one server is added than where will it stop. It might turn into a 'world of crapcraft' situation and have millions of them.
Personally i would'nt move over due to my stash of inflatable women probably being destroyed in the process.
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2006.10.16 15:07:00 -
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I used to be dead against the idea of multiple shards, but I'm warming to the idea; it would be quite cool to start again on a server where the territory and markets aren't claimed, which was less populated and less laggy.
I don't think it should be timezone/region based, I think character transfer should be heavily restricted if allowed at all (it should be charged for), and I think assets should not be transferable at all.
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Caffeine Junkie
Caldari
The Ministry Of Funny Walks
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Posted - 2006.10.16 15:10:00 -
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Just put more loadbalancing hardware in and a bigger connection.
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Eve Hel
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Posted - 2006.10.16 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Vasiliyan
I used to be dead against the idea of multiple shards, but I'm warming to the idea; it would be quite cool to start again on a server where the territory and markets aren't claimed, which was less populated and less laggy.
I don't think it should be timezone/region based, I think character transfer should be heavily restricted if allowed at all (it should be charged for), and I think assets should not be transferable at all.
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Lady Zirconia
Caldari
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.16 15:29:00 -
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Would I move? no!
One shard, one history, one prime fiction.
Who would willingly dilute the meaning of being a hero of Tranquility?
If people dont like the lag then they can leave - less lag for the rest of us. \o/
Im getting so tired of people complaining about the lag when they dont seem to grasp what causes lag.
Side note, triggered by a previous poster:
And Im also getting tired of this "its only a game - dont take it so seriously" rubbish. Some of us take our games or hobbies seriously, some even turn our games/hobbies into careers. If you are a casual player, so be it - but dont enforce your limited envolvement on everyone else.
In fact, casual players have even less say in what happens in the game, implicit in the meaning of a casual player. Leave the serious decisions to the serious players. KThx.
(These statements arent directed at anyone personally - but at the community at large who happen to share these sentiments.)
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.16 15:32:00 -
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Surely any thread started about sharding EVE just *is* trolling by default?
Never going to happen- CCP have been proud to be the only single sharded MMO in the known universe, and it'd be financial suicide if they sold out now.
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Eve Hel
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Posted - 2006.10.16 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Zirconia
Would I move? no!
One shard, one history, one prime fiction.
Who would willingly dilute the meaning of being a hero of Tranquility?
If people dont like the lag then they can leave - less lag for the rest of us. \o/
Im getting so tired of people complaining about the lag when they dont seem to grasp what causes lag.
Side note, triggered by a previous poster:
And Im also getting tired of this "its only a game - dont take it so seriously" rubbish. Some of us take our games or hobbies seriously, some even turn our games/hobbies into careers. If you are a casual player, so be it - but dont enforce your limited envolvement on everyone else.
In fact, casual players have even less say in what happens in the game, implicit in the meaning of a casual player. Leave the serious decisions to the serious players. KThx.
(These statements arent directed at anyone personally - but at the community at large who happen to share these sentiments.)
nice to see that you'r Eco is not too small  good for you 
so it's how much time a person puts into eve in play/online time that desised how much saying a person have ??
lol silly me I was under the "weird" understanding that we all pay the same amount of cash for the game/hobbie, and thuss had equil saying well quess you told me ! 
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Ingols
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Posted - 2006.10.16 16:02:00 -
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Yes I would leave in a heartbeat. And a lot of others would too. The reasons is for BPO's and economy. The T2 BPO distribution is the worst implementation of loot system in an mmorpg. They should have never had BPO T2. Just BPC multi-run copies that people could trade for.
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Bhaal
Minmatar
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.16 16:06:00 -
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Regional sharding is the way to go IMO...
Technically we are all still in one universe, just not all on the same physical server...
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.10.16 16:22:00 -
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It might run faster, but it wouldn't be Eve.
No.
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Bhaal
Minmatar
M. Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.16 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Verus Potestas
It might run faster, but it wouldn't be Eve.
No.
And what exactly is EVE lately?
The game I have played since launch, but have given up on and cancelled 2 of my 4 accounts and am playing Oblivion when I have PC time instead of EVE?
Throwing more hardware at the single server problem is a temporary solution...
We already have regional markets, I don't see how regional shards would destroy EVE.
You can only view regional markets now, so that would not change. Only thing different would be regional assets...
Something more drastic needs to be done, a fundamental flaw needs to be fixed here...
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