Sensor damps. A single phase muon with a lock range script will bring the Garmur inside 25km (to ~21km, depending on skills) ignoring links (which go both ways) where it can be conventionally pointed.

A good Garmur pilot will avoid anyone with damps, not decide to man up and suicidally come with attack range. Speed and range are a Garmurs tank. It would drive them off tho

Who are super bugged at times.

idk why you guys keep saying an atron or a comet can kill a well-piloted garmur...

garmur defensive scram hits at 26k. atron/comet scram is what like 15k or something?

good options to kill a garmur are long range fits with good tracking.. like a beam confessor or an ONI. (no not a beam slicer they dont have the range)

but then again any non-tarded garmur pilot will avoid those

its funny cuz linked/snaked garmurs actually move so fast that missiles and drones dont even touch them at all

idk why you guys keep saying an atron or a comet can kill a well-piloted garmur...

garmur defensive scram hits at 26k. atron/comet scram is what like 15k or something?

good options to kill a garmur are long range fits with good tracking.. like a beam confessor or an ONI. (no not a beam slicer they dont have the range)

but then again any non-tarded garmur pilot will avoid those

its funny cuz linked/snaked garmurs actually move so fast that missiles and drones dont even touch them at all

idk why you guys keep saying an atron or a comet can kill a well-piloted garmur...

garmur defensive scram hits at 26k. atron/comet scram is what like 15k or something?

Good options to kill a garmur are long range fits with good tracking.. like a beam confessor or an ONI. (No not a beam slicer they dont have the range

A competent garmur kites at 40-50k due to its longpoint range

ive already watched that dumb video

hes hitting the garmur at 20-30k

a competent garmur kites at 40-50k due to its longpoint range

furthermore, the garmur in that video is doing between 1 and 3kms the whole time. 3kms is absolutely pitiful for a garmur

this indicates that
1) its a **** pilot
2) its not linked or snaked
3) the fit is probably bad

Things like rails/beams have a chance of driving them away (you will still miss alot), similarly damps will definitely cause them to run, but they cannot be killed, only pushed off or forced to warp.

That's what imo is wrong with this ship. Even if with an appropriated fit you don't die to it you'll never ever catch a manually piloted Garmur with a defensive scram. I really don't see the point of adding something like this in a game. There are already interdiction capabilities with high point range ships. The kiting meta was imho already efficient and balanced.

And now we have a frigate as fast as an interceptor, with easily 40km DPS and tackle abilities, and 25km scram range. The only word in my mouth while I see this is "why".

now the question is: what is stopping the garmur from warping out the instant he sees the slicer is beam fit and hitting him at 50k?

But first you gotta catch him. Good luck.

alright i was wrong about the slicers capabilities

youve proven that a very specific frigate fit is capable of applying dps at a garmur's main engagement range

now the question is: what is stopping the garmur from warping out the instant he sees the slicer is beam fit and hitting him at 50k?

Unlinked and unsnaked, Garmurs are relatively trivial to kill. Basically anything that can catch it with a scram will kill it, also other kiters which can keep up with it's speed and project to a good distance (beam slicers) will also easily kill it. Also any RLML ship will chase it off with relative ease although you won't be able to hold it down.

However, with HG Snakes, proper links and a competent pilot (this is quite rare tbh), Garmurs are pretty much unkillable. They can orbit up to 50+km, have 25k defensive scrams meaning that anything faster than it with a scram will have no chance of catching it (here's where the competent pilot part comes in, if you just hit orbit and afk then you will get caught quite easily even if you defensive scram since they will be able to coast, but a smart garmur pilot will just double click away from you so when you get hit by the defensive scram @ 25k, he will be miles off before you can 'coast' anywhere). They are immune pretty much all types of anti frigate weapons like drones, LML and RLML. The only thing that could reliably catch it, hold it down, and kill it will probably be a linked Keres + Hyena team or another HG Snaked linked Garmur.

Things like rails/beams have a chance of driving them away (you will still miss alot), similarly damps will definitely cause them to run, but they cannot be killed, only pushed off or forced to warp.

That being said good Garmur pilots are rare and most will just lazy orbit since that still works great, so assuming you're also snaked and linked most snaked/linked Garmur pilots can still be caught with some good old fashioned slingshotting with faster frigates like the Dram or Daredevil. Even t1 attack frigs would work but Garmurs do a fair bit of dps so it will get quite dicey while you're burning in to catch them, same goes for ceptors.

A couple people suggested using drones against a kiting Garmur, such as using Warrior 2s to chase him down. As far as I know drones are almost totally unreliable chasing down a fast frigate because even if they do manage to catch up to the frigate, they then turn off their MWD and get left behind and have to begin chasing all over again and this leads to basically no applied DPS, is this wrong? Do Warrior IIs capable of chasing down MWDing Garmurs and such?

you would only kill a tard who has a reaction time of greater than 10 seconds, and force off garmurs that didnt have the proper fit to counter your fit. so thats just a fit versus fit issue.


furthermore a slicer can only lock at 50k, 55k with links. which is hilarious considering a garmur can hold, and kill you past that range with the right fit

glancing at your killboard for 2 minutes showed me:
-you almost never solo
-the only garmur kills you have recently are against sh1tters in null. their fits were awful. and you gangbanged them with your "bringing solo back" friends.... an amusing irony btw

you would only kill a tard who has a reaction time of greater than 10 seconds, and force off garmurs that didnt have the proper fit to counter your fit. so thats just a fit versus fit issue.


furthermore a slicer can only lock at 50k, 55k with links. which is hilarious considering a garmur can hold, and kill you past that range with the right fit

glancing at your killboard for 2 minutes showed me:
-you almost never solo
-the only garmur kills you have recently are against sh1tters in null. their fits were awful. and you gangbanged them with your "bringing solo back" friends.... an amusing irony btw

Chester you are biased. You continually apply your game knowledge to your slicer but not to your opponent.

I've been arguing this whole thread and a different thread that what makes a garmur overpowered is links and snakes.

If you take into account that links work multiplicatively then it becomes obvious that the optimal garmur fit is sebo/scram or double sebo depending on what the pilot wishes to make their engagement profile. Also double t2 missile speed rigs.

The garmurs tank should be it's absurd range and speed. Not shield boosters. The instant something demonstrates that it has capability to touch the garmur at its ideal range then the pilot should warp out imediately. I assure you garmurs align faster than 8 seconds.

tard alert tard alert

Things that counter one thing are weak to another, and there is an advantage to flying in groups. THE GAME IS BROKEN!

tard alert tard alert

dont worry im here to translate your joke of a post

"ok guys u can easily kill a garmur with a specifically fit cruiser and above, which would easily get solod by an atron with an afterburner. okay so once the garmur starts engaging your battleship. first you gotta wait to make sure he doesnt call in his gang of buddies, because hes actually planning to solo your battleship. then you gotta make sure the garmur pilot socket closes and drops his speed to 10 ms. thats your queue to FIRE BOOM HES DEAD WOOOO"

"if that doesnt work make sure you have multiple friends trying to tackle him while you sit there with your finger on the arties button. shouldnt be hard to blap that annoying garmur when you have 5 ceptors chasing him around!!!!@!@!"

"btw i dont pvp but i heard ishtars are op so those counter garmurs right?"

-quality post by serendipity

tard alert tard alert

dont worry im here to translate your joke of a post

"ok guys u can easily kill a garmur with a specifically fit cruiser and above, which would easily get solod by an atron with an afterburner. okay so once the garmur starts engaging your battleship. first you gotta wait to make sure he doesnt call in his gang of buddies, because hes actually planning to solo your battleship. then you gotta make sure the garmur pilot socket closes and drops his speed to 10 ms. thats your queue to FIRE BOOM HES DEAD WOOOO"

"if that doesnt work make sure you have multiple friends trying to tackle him while you sit there with your finger on the arties button. shouldnt be hard to blap that annoying garmur when you have 5 ceptors chasing him around!!!!@!@!"

"btw i dont pvp but i heard ishtars are op so those counter garmurs right?"

-quality post by serendipity

1 word
Rapier

Garmurs kinda go poof when they get hit with multiple long range webs and then a quick volley of artillery or a burst of speed into autocannon ranges

Once again you're suggesting a tech 2 cruiser to deal with a pirate frigate.

I only partially agree with wilgotna because I don't hink the Garmur is that op, I just think it scales way too well with links, but all those posts implying you need to either upship specifically to counter and / or bring a blob to kill a solo pirate frigate pilot are irrelevant at best, and at worst they're just confirming his point ; it's pretty ridiculous to have to upship an opponent that hard or blob him that hard just because he dumped loads of isk into his pod and link alt.
It's not really a fun and well designed gameplay perspective.

burt you are crazy if you think you can scram a garmur with a comet when both ships are doing 10kms

the garmur pilot would have to be socket closed for that to happen

garmurs realistically dont engage targets that can do over 3kms because then their light missiles cant reliably hit

Garmur are easily k8lled. I would use a sentinel or an imperial navy slicer. Arty dram good too.

Read all 4 pages....

decent/OK suggestions, but none of them hit the mark...


Here is a riddle:

Garmur (pimped/boosted/Hi-Grade Snakes)

HI's:
3 x Light Missile Launcher II (Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile)

Mid's:
Gistii B-Type 1MN Microwarpdrive
Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor
2x Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I (Targeting Range Dampening Script)

Low's:
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II

Rigs:
2 x Small Ionic Field Projector II
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II
_______________________________________

Hunts in low-sec (so booster alt is easy)
13km/s OH and something like 8km/s cold

Also has the 5% agility implant [Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-705]
and 5% speed [Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link]

Nothing ranged could ever hit it due to dual damps...unless - you specifically counter-fit with like a SEBO (or 2) in which case you're probably screwed against anything else that comes in

No offense but, I would literally slaughter that garmur. It wouldnt even know what hit it.

And i wouldnt do it in a garmur either.

FYI that fit is not even close to that fast.

Read all 4 pages....

decent/OK suggestions, but none of them hit the mark...


Here is a riddle:

Garmur (pimped/boosted/Hi-Grade Snakes)

HI's:
3 x Light Missile Launcher II (Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile)

Mid's:
Gistii B-Type 1MN Microwarpdrive
Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor
2x Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I (Targeting Range Dampening Script)

Low's:
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II

Rigs:
2 x Small Ionic Field Projector II
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II
_______________________________________

Hunts in low-sec (so booster alt is easy)
13km/s OH and something like 8km/s cold

Also has the 5% agility implant [Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-705]
and 5% speed [Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link]

Nothing ranged could ever hit it due to dual damps...unless - you specifically counter-fit with like a SEBO (or 2) in which case you're probably screwed against anything else that comes in

Lol crosi I knew you actually think you're good you risk-averse baddie.

To the thread though, the answer is you just need to be a good pilot and engage a bad garmur. Flying a garmur is doing something very easy. Fighting a garmur is doing something very difficult.

These clowns that choose the 'trusolo' route with empty clones because its hard and they want e-respect. Then they complain that its too hard lol.

Ive killed snaked, linked garmurs, some of the easiest fights ive had. The only risk involved is that they will run away. But thats the same as any ship, condor and up. All i do is use things that are available in the game. Its amazing how enraged people get about legitimate sanctioned game mechanics. Specially ironic coming from some blob cartel snufd pet.

I know it would be best if there was only one ship and a single fitting for everyone to use to make eve the fair game it should be. Like pong.

Oh come on Crosi! Pong was a fun game.

These clowns that choose the 'trusolo' route with empty clones because its hard and they want e-respect. Then they complain that its too hard lol.

Ive killed snaked, linked garmurs, some of the easiest fights ive had. The only risk involved is that they will run away. But thats the same as any ship, condor and up. All i do is use things that are available in the game. Its amazing how enraged people get about legitimate sanctioned game mechanics. Specially ironic coming from some blob cartel snufd pet.

I know it would be best if there was only one ship and a single fitting for everyone to use to make eve the fair game it should be. Like pong.

you've killed some bads m8, it's meaningless. I've dropped some linked/snaked/faction garmurs, I've seen people do it in atrons, it happens all the time. it's because they're terrible.
but equally I've run into some who are aware of what their ship can do, who can just yolo right into an extreme fast brawler waiting for them at 0km, because they know what to do to be immune to getting tackled, and then suddenly paper is killing scissors.

A Garmur with a warp disruptor can keep you pinned at a pretty far distance. Heavy neuts/nosf don't reach that far. Neither do regular webs or disruptors. It uses missiles, so tracking disruptors don't help.

What's the best way to catch and kill it? I'm finding that the Garmur is really good at skirting around enemy null sec and picking targets they know they can kill.

So that makes me think that the best way to kill a Garmur is to be in something it thinks it can kill...but fit it so it's a big surprise. But how and what?

Not sure i recognise your authority to call anyone bads.

As for yoloing into plexes ive been doing so for years, a long time before the garmur came out. As for immunity, thats a myth. A small amount of preparation and no kite can escape a warp in.

how to kill a garmur ?

Won't the new missile modules make it easier to hit fast targets? You can get a Talwar or Corax to hit out to 100+ km but you sacrifice damage application in order to achieve it .... The new modules are a wet dream of combining rigor and hydraulic bay thruster rigs.