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Cigs Mcduff Tech 2 Holdings Limited	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:39:00 - [1] CCP broke the Law of Math I just stuffed 15,000 m3 of items into a 11,800 m3 space using containers. Is it me or did the eve devs have poor math skills? And how come this was never fixed?
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:40:00 - [2] its called quality programming
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:40:00 - [3] What's that called, its a matter compression device that EVE cargo containers have in them . Want Me ;)?
Kadarin Wolfenrecon Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:41:00 - [4] It's not a bug. It's an intentional feature of secure cans, and there are limitations. For example, you'll find you generally can't put people (prisoners, marines, exotic dancers) in them.
Fliewatuet Angelus dos Business	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:43:00 - [5] Edited by: Fliewatuet on 16/10/2006 23:43:55 Originally by: Cigs Mcduff CCP broke the Law of Math I just stuffed 15,000 m3 of items into a 11,800 m3 space using containers. Is it me or did the eve devs have poor math skills? And how come this was never fixed? Well, CCP isn't the first who did it. I know of ppl to could save a 50MB BMP into a single 124k file! And there are even better ppl, who succeeded into saving all sort of files into less space than they really should need, no matter the type of data. Isn't that unnatural and a distortion of our most fundamental laws of nature? Regards, Fliewatuet --
Hesod Adee	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:44:00 - [6] It seems that cargo containers in eve usse early versions of the same technology that was used to build the tardis. ----------------- My door is always open, just don't go in.
Roulette Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:48:00 - [7] Galifrey System in Kali ftw
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:41:00 - [8] Planck something was it? Looking For Ventrilo Hosting
Rumbaar Solitary Forsaken	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:45:00 - [9] Yeah and lets not get onto the subject of faster than light travel and jump gates ___________________ Custom banner? Click above or EVEmail
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.17 01:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Rumbaar Yeah and lets not get onto the subject of faster than light travel and jump gates Why not? You think that it's impossible for this kind of things to happen? If you do then i guess you are not familiar with many theories that have emerged the last 20 or so years (string theory etc) ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Foznez	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:02:00 - [11] String Theory? TARDIS? There is a far easier explination Cargo container have "more space" in them then they take up because of a very simply idea. Packaging. Let's assume that each bottle of QUAFE is in a square box to keep it protected from the abuse it would get from rattleing around in your cargo hold. If you put it in a nice neat cargo container (like a shipping pallet in RL) you don't need all that packaging around it to protect it... so it seems to take up less space.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Cigs Mcduff CCP broke the Law of Math I just stuffed 15,000 m3 of items into a 11,800 m3 space using containers. Is it me or did the eve devs have poor math skills? And how come this was never fixed? It's intentional. It's due to Planck bubbles that can distort space or some such. Backstory aside it is a game mechanic that makes it useful to actually use cargo containers to haul cargo in as it's more efficient on space. As stated some items (the living, radioactive material etc) cannot be put in cargo containers so if you are hauling for trade plan ahead. I think you'll find the devs have pretty good math skills. They also have access to computers. >> RECRUITING <<
Lifewire Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:06:00 - [13] EVE slang: ZIP cargo Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Gothikia Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Lifewire EVE slang: ZIP cargo Meh i think Giant Secure Can.rar is alot better tbfh... -------------- Gothi
Oedus Caro Caldari Caldari Deep Space Ventures	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:20:00 - [15] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace As stated some items (the living, radioactive material etc) cannot be put in cargo containers so if you are hauling for trade plan ahead. I would add that you also cannot put secure containers inside secure containers. That would have been a fun bug... "Look ma, my Badger's got more cargo space than that freighter!"
Illuminaty ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.17 03:05:00 - [16] Anyone who thinks the OP is on to something has never attempted to move large ammounts of equipment in real life before. It is much easier to stuff a small container absolutly full of junk, than it is to stuff a large container to absolutly full. So when you pack small containers to the brim, and then stack them inside a large container, you move more stuff in the same space.
SBxl Chief	Posted - 2006.10.17 03:14:00 - [17] thou shalt not question my bag of holding.
DubanFP Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.17 03:21:00 - [18] try putting a cargo container inside another cargo container "unpackaged". The error message that pops up should explain it to you reasonably.
Gustovness Broken Cannon	Posted - 2006.10.17 05:52:00 - [19] My RL job is in a warehouse. I oversee all the equipment that goes in an out at my company and I always wondered why the hell I would open up a big box only to find two smaller boxes inside with the desired items in them. I always figured it was to "split" a big box into an easier way to handle and organize on shelves. That's the major advantage that I see in it. Maybe that's what it has to do with it? Kinda like when you put groceries in the car: cans under bread under eggs... or something like that, you get the point... It'd be easier if I could stick anything I wanted anywhere cause everything was packed into a box eh'? Broken Cannon is RECRUITING! Click here!
BustyBounty Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.17 06:01:00 - [20] Edited by: BustyBounty on 17/10/2006 06:01:13 dont forget those secure containers have about as much hp as a capital ship if not more ------------------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance I belong to.
Yann Xonogoth Gallente Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.17 06:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Cigs Mcduff CCP broke the Law of Math I just stuffed 15,000 m3 of items into a 11,800 m3 space using containers. Is it me or did the eve devs have poor math skills? And how come this was never fixed? I just packed a 3 Mb file into a 0.8 Mb ZIP file. See: even my computer has poor math skills! Yann Xonogoth Miner for the Multiverse Corporation
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.17 07:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Oedus Caro Originally by: Telemicus Thrace As stated some items (the living, radioactive material etc) cannot be put in cargo containers so if you are hauling for trade plan ahead. I would add that you also cannot put secure containers inside secure containers. That would have been a fun bug... "Look ma, my Badger's got more cargo space than that freighter!" You can't do that. To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.17 08:07:00 - [23] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 17/10/2006 08:07:49 To the OP.. Its the friggin future.. of course you'll be able to fit more stuff in things than you can now.. I mean look what we can do now.. Here's a complete FPS game in a 97kb file! http://www.theprodukkt.com/ Quote: a game in 96 kilobytes. .kkrieger - chapter I the infamous beta version available for download now! .theprodukkt¦s first product: chapter I of our experimental first person shooter. all the code, textures, geometry, sound, monsters and, well, lots of bugs - all crammed into 96 kilobytes. it¦s free - and there are only few copies left - so make sure to get it .now.! [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus"
Angelic Resolution The Arcanum	Posted - 2006.10.17 08:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Fliewatuet Edited by: Fliewatuet on 16/10/2006 23:43:55 Originally by: Cigs Mcduff CCP broke the Law of Math I just stuffed 15,000 m3 of items into a 11,800 m3 space using containers. Is it me or did the eve devs have poor math skills? And how come this was never fixed? Well, CCP isn't the first who did it. I know of ppl to could save a 50MB BMP into a single 124k file! And there are even better ppl, who succeeded into saving all sort of files into less space than they really should need, no matter the type of data. Isn't that unnatural and a distortion of our most fundamental laws of nature? Regards, Fliewatuet Dr. Mc Kay from Atlantis doesn't count :P
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 08:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Cigs Mcduff CCP broke the Law of Math I just stuffed 15,000 m3 of items into a 11,800 m3 space using containers. Is it me or did the eve devs have poor math skills? And how come this was never fixed? Apparently CCP has decided that if you can stuff 15k m3 into a 11.8k m3 container then you must be able to stuff 30k eve accounts into a 10k server. CCP math 4tL. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Aadi Mathais Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.17 08:52:00 - [26] What you should be complaining about are jet cans, get in a frigate and jettison something, the can is usually bigger than the ship. Are they compressed before you jet them?
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2006.10.17 09:03:00 - [27] ah but that's nothing compared to when hauling 40 million trit in a normal hauler ... all in once. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Krxon Blade Caldari Dark-Rising Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.17 09:08:00 - [28] Look at this File from winner in 64 Kb category in Mekka simposium (Demo scene) And youl see what is real compresion. Most of modern programers does not use optimisation at all. --
Benco97 Gallente Fedo Appreciation Group	Posted - 2006.10.17 09:24:00 - [29] Planck bubbles hooray! Head of the Fedo Appreciation Group (FAG) and Registered Fedo breeder (Sig kindly supplied by Zurtur)
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.17 09:38:00 - [30] sings i broke the law and.. the law won..' Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida. My sig is blue not pink although i can't argue with the slave part - Xorus wth whats this blue stuff all of a sudden? Did I miss a mail? -eris Bwahahahaha!11 Immy was here
Rimhawk Caldari Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.17 12:22:00 - [31] Planck Bubble Generator (from some ancient release notes): "Advancements in Planck Bubble Generation Technologies have allowed for the creation of containers that have higher capacity than volume. All containers can now contain 20% more than the space they occupy. Planck Bubble Generation has the added restriction of not being able to place a Planck Bubble generator within another Planck Bubble, as that would cause an indeterminate graviton harmonics chain reaction, with an expected breakdown of causality." Hey it's Science Fiction, can't argue with that. . Rimhawk Winds of Vengeance (W8V)
M4sterm1nd DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.18 10:35:00 - [32] Edited by: M4sterm1nd on 18/10/2006 10:43:28 Originally by: Cigs Mcduff CCP broke the Law of Math I just stuffed 15,000 m3 of items into a 11,800 m3 space using containers. Is it me or did the eve devs have poor math skills? And how come this was never fixed? LAW? Let's see.... Newton did it... and Copernicus... Galileo, of course... Einstein... Oh my GOD, it's a CONSPIRACY! Those evil masterminds were in cahoots to trick us out of our concept reality! For SHAME! I KNEW that round earth theory was bunk! It's called physics, genius. The device is called a Planck Bubble Generator. Planck as in Max Planck, the founder of quantum theory. Our current level of understanding does not allow for compression of physical space, but any such device would likely be honoured with his name. Simply attempting to put a can inside another, and looking the name mentioned in the resultant error message up, would lead you to this conclusion. Assume nothing, and your life will become a lot easier. But while you're at arresting people for things that scare you out of your creationist bureacrat-lined comfort-bubble of rules and Ockham's-Razor-simplicity, maybe you should whine about projected magnetic plasma containment, warp drives, jump gates, or antimatter in quantities and costs as presented in the game. Indeed antimatter's effect on hull impact, for that matter. Tractoring, inertial propulsion, warp and dampening, conduit-free power tranmission in the terawatt range, energy shields, and the absence of clathrates of metal (or other elements) in the real world. Perhaps a witchhunt for the creator of the cloaking field, the almighty and evil DrCCP, could appease you. Instead, might I suggest you stop using a computer? Normally I'd suggest you go play Microsoft Hearts, but resetting your computer would probably constitute euthanasia, not to mention the reincarnatory implications, both of which would more than likely violate the bureaucratic sanctity of your bubble. In short : lighten up dude, it's a game. Suspension of disbelief is an unlisted minimum requirement. If that's not your cup of tea, go do people's tax returns. Headline one-liners: Suicidal Teen Kills Twin By Mistake! (My sig left after Eldo called her fat)
Terminus adacai Caldari Mintaka Mining Inc	Posted - 2006.10.18 10:42:00 - [33] To the op, it is called vacuum packed. :)
Niding Polaris Project	Posted - 2006.10.18 10:51:00 - [34] Originally by: Krxon Blade Edited by: Krxon Blade on 17/10/2006 09:17:48 Look at this This is winner demo in 64 Kb category in one of previous Mekka simposiums (Demo scene) And youl see what is real compresion. Most of modern programers does not use optimisation at all. Hint: when they tell you: "You may press ESC now..." wait, and even more facts will be shown Woah! Impressive! I still watch Amiga and C64 demos occasionally and its amazing what they can do with some math tricks.
bunmastahflex Caldari Region of Lonetrek Work Force	Posted - 2006.10.18 13:19:00 - [35] i've mined ore outside of the 10km range the lasers allow... omgeses. --- this is my sig.
M4sterm1nd DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.18 14:41:00 - [36] Originally by: Niding Originally by: Krxon Blade <blurb> Woah! Impressive! I still watch Amiga and C64 demos occasionally and its amazing what they can do with some math tricks. DEWD! Where did you dig this up?? Saw a game like this once, compressed to 10Kb, but otherwise fully functioning, with different guns, sliding doors, health mods, the lot. Haven't been able to find it back..... Headline one-liners: Suicidal Teen Kills Twin By Mistake! (My sig left after Eldo called her fat)
Morlar	Posted - 2006.10.18 14:48:00 - [37] Clearly the cargo container was just strapped to the roof of the ship with bungee cords. Don't get all fancy when the simple answer will do...

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