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Cigs Mcduff Tech 2 Holdings Limited	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:39:00 - [1] CCP broke the Law of Math I just stuffed 15,000 m3 of items into a 11,800 m3 space using containers. Is it me or did the eve devs have poor math skills? And how come this was never fixed?
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:40:00 - [2] its called quality programming
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:40:00 - [3] What's that called, its a matter compression device that EVE cargo containers have in them . Want Me ;)?
Kadarin Wolfenrecon Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:41:00 - [4] It's not a bug. It's an intentional feature of secure cans, and there are limitations. For example, you'll find you generally can't put people (prisoners, marines, exotic dancers) in them.
Fliewatuet Angelus dos Business	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:43:00 - [5] Edited by: Fliewatuet on 16/10/2006 23:43:55 Originally by: Cigs Mcduff CCP broke the Law of Math I just stuffed 15,000 m3 of items into a 11,800 m3 space using containers. Is it me or did the eve devs have poor math skills? And how come this was never fixed? Well, CCP isn't the first who did it. I know of ppl to could save a 50MB BMP into a single 124k file! And there are even better ppl, who succeeded into saving all sort of files into less space than they really should need, no matter the type of data. Isn't that unnatural and a distortion of our most fundamental laws of nature? Regards, Fliewatuet --
Hesod Adee	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:44:00 - [6] It seems that cargo containers in eve usse early versions of the same technology that was used to build the tardis. ----------------- My door is always open, just don't go in.
Roulette Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:48:00 - [7] Galifrey System in Kali ftw
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:41:00 - [8] Planck something was it? Looking For Ventrilo Hosting
Rumbaar Solitary Forsaken	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:45:00 - [9] Yeah and lets not get onto the subject of faster than light travel and jump gates ___________________ Custom banner? Click above or EVEmail
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.17 01:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Rumbaar Yeah and lets not get onto the subject of faster than light travel and jump gates Why not? You think that it's impossible for this kind of things to happen? If you do then i guess you are not familiar with many theories that have emerged the last 20 or so years (string theory etc) ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Foznez	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:02:00 - [11] String Theory? TARDIS? There is a far easier explination Cargo container have "more space" in them then they take up because of a very simply idea. Packaging. Let's assume that each bottle of QUAFE is in a square box to keep it protected from the abuse it would get from rattleing around in your cargo hold. If you put it in a nice neat cargo container (like a shipping pallet in RL) you don't need all that packaging around it to protect it... so it seems to take up less space.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Cigs Mcduff CCP broke the Law of Math I just stuffed 15,000 m3 of items into a 11,800 m3 space using containers. Is it me or did the eve devs have poor math skills? And how come this was never fixed? It's intentional. It's due to Planck bubbles that can distort space or some such. Backstory aside it is a game mechanic that makes it useful to actually use cargo containers to haul cargo in as it's more efficient on space. As stated some items (the living, radioactive material etc) cannot be put in cargo containers so if you are hauling for trade plan ahead. I think you'll find the devs have pretty good math skills. They also have access to computers. >> RECRUITING <<
Lifewire Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:06:00 - [13] EVE slang: ZIP cargo Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Gothikia Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Lifewire EVE slang: ZIP cargo Meh i think Giant Secure Can.rar is alot better tbfh... -------------- Gothi
Oedus Caro Caldari Caldari Deep Space Ventures	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:20:00 - [15] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace As stated some items (the living, radioactive material etc) cannot be put in cargo containers so if you are hauling for trade plan ahead. I would add that you also cannot put secure containers inside secure containers. That would have been a fun bug... "Look ma, my Badger's got more cargo space than that freighter!"
Illuminaty ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.17 03:05:00 - [16] Anyone who thinks the OP is on to something has never attempted to move large ammounts of equipment in real life before. It is much easier to stuff a small container absolutly full of junk, than it is to stuff a large container to absolutly full. So when you pack small containers to the brim, and then stack them inside a large container, you move more stuff in the same space.
SBxl Chief	Posted - 2006.10.17 03:14:00 - [17] thou shalt not question my bag of holding.
DubanFP Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.17 03:21:00 - [18] try putting a cargo container inside another cargo container "unpackaged". The error message that pops up should explain it to you reasonably.
Gustovness Broken Cannon	Posted - 2006.10.17 05:52:00 - [19] My RL job is in a warehouse. I oversee all the equipment that goes in an out at my company and I always wondered why the hell I would open up a big box only to find two smaller boxes inside with the desired items in them. I always figured it was to "split" a big box into an easier way to handle and organize on shelves. That's the major advantage that I see in it. Maybe that's what it has to do with it? Kinda like when you put groceries in the car: cans under bread under eggs... or something like that, you get the point... It'd be easier if I could stick anything I wanted anywhere cause everything was packed into a box eh'? Broken Cannon is RECRUITING! Click here!
BustyBounty Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.17 06:01:00 - [20] Edited by: BustyBounty on 17/10/2006 06:01:13 dont forget those secure containers have about as much hp as a capital ship if not more ------------------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance I belong to.
Yann Xonogoth Gallente Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.17 06:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Cigs Mcduff CCP broke the Law of Math I just stuffed 15,000 m3 of items into a 11,800 m3 space using containers. Is it me or did the eve devs have poor math skills? And how come this was never fixed? I just packed a 3 Mb file into a 0.8 Mb ZIP file. See: even my computer has poor math skills! Yann Xonogoth Miner for the Multiverse Corporation
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.17 07:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Oedus Caro Originally by: Telemicus Thrace As stated some items (the living, radioactive material etc) cannot be put in cargo containers so if you are hauling for trade plan ahead. I would add that you also cannot put secure containers inside secure containers. That would have been a fun bug... "Look ma, my Badger's got more cargo space than that freighter!" You can't do that. To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.17 08:07:00 - [23] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 17/10/2006 08:07:49 To the OP.. Its the friggin future.. of course you'll be able to fit more stuff in things than you can now.. I mean look what we can do now.. Here's a complete FPS game in a 97kb file! http://www.theprodukkt.com/ Quote: a game in 96 kilobytes. .kkrieger - chapter I the infamous beta version available for download now! .theprodukkt¦s first product: chapter I of our experimental first person shooter. all the code, textures, geometry, sound, monsters and, well, lots of bugs - all crammed into 96 kilobytes. it¦s free - and there are only few copies left - so make sure to get it .now.! [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus"
Angelic Resolution The Arcanum	Posted - 2006.10.17 08:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Fliewatuet Edited by: Fliewatuet on 16/10/2006 23:43:55 Originally by: Cigs Mcduff CCP broke the Law of Math I just stuffed 15,000 m3 of items into a 11,800 m3 space using containers. Is it me or did the eve devs have poor math skills? And how come this was never fixed? Well, CCP isn't the first who did it. I know of ppl to could save a 50MB BMP into a single 124k file! And there are even better ppl, who succeeded into saving all sort of files into less space than they really should need, no matter the type of data. Isn't that unnatural and a distortion of our most fundamental laws of nature? Regards, Fliewatuet Dr. Mc Kay from Atlantis doesn't count :P
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 08:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Cigs Mcduff CCP broke the Law of Math I just stuffed 15,000 m3 of items into a 11,800 m3 space using containers. Is it me or did the eve devs have poor math skills? And how come this was never fixed? Apparently CCP has decided that if you can stuff 15k m3 into a 11.8k m3 container then you must be able to stuff 30k eve accounts into a 10k server. CCP math 4tL. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Aadi Mathais Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.17 08:52:00 - [26] What you should be complaining about are jet cans, get in a frigate and jettison something, the can is usually bigger than the ship. Are they compressed before you jet them?
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2006.10.17 09:03:00 - [27] ah but that's nothing compared to when hauling 40 million trit in a normal hauler ... all in once. ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Krxon Blade Caldari Dark-Rising Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.17 09:08:00 - [28] Look at this File from winner in 64 Kb category in Mekka simposium (Demo scene) And youl see what is real compresion. Most of modern programers does not use optimisation at all. --
Benco97 Gallente Fedo Appreciation Group	Posted - 2006.10.17 09:24:00 - [29] Planck bubbles hooray! Head of the Fedo Appreciation Group (FAG) and Registered Fedo breeder (Sig kindly supplied by Zurtur)
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.17 09:38:00 - [30] sings i broke the law and.. the law won..' Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida. My sig is blue not pink although i can't argue with the slave part - Xorus wth whats this blue stuff all of a sudden? Did I miss a mail? -eris Bwahahahaha!11 Immy was here

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