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Founder Meo Gallente Dragons Of Redemption Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.18 03:53:00 - [121] oh so your fine with exploiting a glitch like camping that plex but when something goes wrong with you, you suddenly whinge and cry get over it. btw the only reason why we didnt stop you is because a router in london went down and all Australian players were suddenly offlinei wasnt able to log in for ages. ----------------------------------------------- -Who would bring a charge against God's elect ? it is God who justifies- Romans 8:33
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.18 03:58:00 - [122] Originally by: Founder Meo oh so your fine with exploiting a glitch like camping that plex but when something goes wrong with you, you suddenly whinge and cry get over it. btw the only reason why we didnt stop you is because a router in london went down and all Australian players were suddenly offlinei wasnt able to log in for ages. Lol and you guys didn't *** about all the supposed RA exploits that went on? Get a grip you tools. In rust we trust!!!**
Founder Meo Gallente Dragons Of Redemption Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.18 04:01:00 - [123] nope i can honestly say that being in this alliance for over three months that i have never, petitioned complained or otherwise tried to make others aware (other than this post) about RA bug exploits. This is the first time i have ever felt the need to complain about something RA/Goon does it all the time but when something suddenly goes wrong they all petitioned it which is fine for them, but lets face it if the GM's havnt done something about it by now that means we were in the right and u werent. Deal with it ----------------------------------------------- -Who would bring a charge against God's elect ? it is God who justifies- Romans 8:33
nickky01 No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.18 04:01:00 - [124] Originally by: Stahlregen Edited by: Stahlregen on 18/10/2006 03:16:29 Incase you were curious, this is a frapse of the V player refueling the tower while reinforced. He warps the the next pos shortly after the video ends, presumably to refuel that one aswell. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Stahlregen/theculprit.wmv i dont know much about POS's and stuff...and i'm not trying to flame anyone here, this is just a curious question...but to me that kinda looks like a hauler flying around? is there something i should be looking out for??
M PIquet StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.18 04:01:00 - [125] Given Seleene's excellent account of the G-7 battle, everyone should be aware that there's some funny business regarding node crashes and POS warfare. Why is anyone surprised that it's happened here as well? /emote sniffs I smell sour grapes.
SlLAS Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2006.10.18 04:05:00 - [126] Originally by: nickky01 Originally by: Stahlregen Edited by: Stahlregen on 18/10/2006 03:16:29 Incase you were curious, this is a frapse of the V player refueling the tower while reinforced. He warps the the next pos shortly after the video ends, presumably to refuel that one aswell. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Stahlregen/theculprit.wmv i dont know much about POS's and stuff...and i'm not trying to flame anyone here, this is just a curious question...but to me that kinda looks like a hauler flying around? is there something i should be looking out for?? There's some type of tower there I think--is it Minmatar? It looks like an elongated trash can.
Vito Genovese Amarr Bubble Tea Cafe Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.18 04:18:00 - [127] Originally by: Founder Meo oh so your fine with exploiting a glitch like camping that plex but when something goes wrong with you, you suddenly whinge and cry get over it. btw the only reason why we didnt stop you is because a router in london went down and all Australian players were suddenly offlinei wasnt able to log in for ages. It also dropped a large ammount of North American players as well.
Daroh Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.18 04:22:00 - [128] Muhahaha Omeega ! LOL! You awesome, i luv you ) "-they do not sleep at the same time as we do" ROFL write more plz )
Belwin	Posted - 2006.10.18 04:32:00 - [129] Originally by: Beyond Horizon Ofc he hasn't got any proof, else we would have seen a thread full of whinage back then. Justice will ... not prevail, I lost my faith in GMs a long time ago... looks like we have to do it like in the old days =/ E-bay?
Stahlregen GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.10.18 04:43:00 - [130] Edited by: Stahlregen on 18/10/2006 04:44:12 Originally by: nickky01 Originally by: Stahlregen Incase you were curious, this is a frapse of the V player refueling the tower while reinforced. He warps the the next pos shortly after the video ends, presumably to refuel that one aswell. [url="http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Stahlregen/theculprit.wmv" http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Stahlregen/theculprit.wmv[/url] i dont know much about POS's and stuff...and i'm not trying to flame anyone here, this is just a curious question...but to me that kinda looks like a hauler flying around? is there something i should be looking out for?? This was just a video showing the player responsible for refueling the poses, The whole issue is that because of a bug or exploit or whatever the towers were able to be refueled while in reinforced. Wether or not V are responsible for causing the bug is simply speculation but the video quite clearly shows that the bug was abused and that the towers were refuled intentionaly when it is quite obvious that something is not right. Something else i am trying to get my head around is that, if the bug was indeed caused by the server crash and not by a V player, Why did they have a Hauler with fuel ready to go just before the poses came out of reinforced instead of several hours later when the shields would have been recharged enough to allow for the refueling like would you expect to normaly occur? To see the actual bug go to the first page of this thread, There are several videos showing the timer ticking down. 10 seconds 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 and then... resetting back to over 24 hours.
Aaron Static Deep Space Consortium Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.18 04:44:00 - [131] Originally by: Founder Meo btw the only reason why we didnt stop you is because a router in london went down and all Australian players were suddenly offlinei wasnt able to log in for ages. I can confirm this.. although I am not involved with this conflict, a level3 backbone router was under extreme load for about an hour yesterday. This router is on the traceroute from most Australian providers to eve-online.com and TQ
Matthew Munro Gallente Dragons Of Redemption Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.18 05:04:00 - [132] Originally by: Stahlregen Something else i am trying to get my head around is that, if the bug was indeed caused by the server crash and not by a V player, Why did they have a Hauler with fuel ready to go just before the poses came out of reinforced instead of several hours later when the shields would have been recharged enough to allow for the refueling like would you expect to normaly occur? Number 1: How do you know when that hauler was ready? Number 2: So instead of preping way in advance so that as soon as the POS's are ready we move, you think we should have tried a mad scramble at the last minute?
Corey Grim FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.18 05:32:00 - [133] Stop wawing that xploit bull** in everywhere every one of u. coz thats what it is 95% of time: bull**. RA uses sometimes rather annoying tactics yes, so does everyone in EVE. That being said too bad the nodes aint supporting our battle efforts and everything is bugged to hell. when u cant get ur modules activated in battle dont yell xpoits right away, CCP _should_ do their best at helping to reinforce those nodes or at least show us they are doing something (being afk in local doesnt count btw). it was still nice battle and it aint over yet i hope.
Touk Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.18 05:33:00 - [134] Originally by: Stahlregen Edited by: Stahlregen on 18/10/2006 04:44:12 Originally by: nickky01 Originally by: Stahlregen Incase you were curious, this is a frapse of the V player refueling the tower while reinforced. He warps the the next pos shortly after the video ends, presumably to refuel that one aswell. [url="http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Stahlregen/theculprit.wmv" http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Stahlregen/theculprit.wmv[/url] i dont know much about POS's and stuff...and i'm not trying to flame anyone here, this is just a curious question...but to me that kinda looks like a hauler flying around? is there something i should be looking out for?? This was just a video showing the player responsible for refueling the poses, The whole issue is that because of a bug or exploit or whatever the towers were able to be refueled while in reinforced. Wether or not V are responsible for causing the bug is simply speculation but the video quite clearly shows that the bug was abused and that the towers were refuled intentionaly when it is quite obvious that something is not right. Something else i am trying to get my head around is that, if the bug was indeed caused by the server crash and not by a V player, Why did they have a Hauler with fuel ready to go just before the poses came out of reinforced instead of several hours later when the shields would have been recharged enough to allow for the refueling like would you expect to normaly occur? To see the actual bug go to the first page of this thread, There are several videos showing the timer ticking down. 10 seconds 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 and then... resetting back to over 24 hours. its quite obvious that RA/Goon or indeed any alliance in the game would not just sit back and let thier pos's be destroyed if they dint have to, a bug may have been abused with prior knowledge or not (i dont know i wasnt there, ) but no one in any alliance can honestly say that if thier pos's were for some reason letting them refuel them that they wouldnt do it. How about everyone stops blaming the other side for cheating and point the finger at the people aucutlly responsable for the state of things in eve.....that would be CCP for those who dint catch one.
Stahlregen GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.10.18 05:38:00 - [135] Edited by: Stahlregen on 18/10/2006 05:39:45 Originally by: Matthew Munro Originally by: Stahlregen Something else i am trying to get my head around is that, if the bug was indeed caused by the server crash and not by a V player, Why did they have a Hauler with fuel ready to go just before the poses came out of reinforced instead of several hours later when the shields would have been recharged enough to allow for the refueling like would you expect to normaly occur? Number 1: How do you know when that hauler was ready? Number 2: So instead of preping way in advance so that as soon as the POS's are ready we move, you think we should have tried a mad scramble at the last minute? 1: I don't, I can only assume from his actions of moving between the poses that he was refueling them. Like i said, I don't know wether or not the bug was intentional i can only show the video, state what i think, and let you decide for yourself. 2: I understand what you are saying but i think you are missing the point, The hauler was there before the tower even exited reinforced let alone before the shields had even begun to recharge. Think about how long it normaly takes to recharge a pos shield enough to allow refueling, Now think about how long it would take to recharge an entire system of them. You would know better than i seeing as i haven't seen how many Black Birds you guys can round up in a short amount of time, Not to mention then trying to get them into a system that is quite obvious not under your control for the time being. We all know the mechanics of the POS and how they work. It just seems strange to me that he would go around to each pos while still in reinforced and even attempt to refuel it unless he knew something that we didn't. I understand that you would be angry about your alliance being accused of using exploits, I know how it feels. I get furious when people accuse goonswarm of using bookmark bombs and lag exploits but keep in mind, I am not accusing your alliance of doing anything. I have my own feelings and views on the subject but they don't mean anything because i cannot provide the video to prove it. However what i can and have proved with screenshots and videos is that something is not right, The reinforced timer did not function correctly and a player belonging to your alliance did refuel them when he and everyone else should have known that a refueling would normaly be impossible and could only occur due to a bug.
Matthew Munro Gallente Dragons Of Redemption Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.18 05:48:00 - [136] Originally by: Stahlregen Edited by: Stahlregen on 18/10/2006 05:39:45 I understand that you would be angry about your alliance being accused of using exploits, I know how it feels. I get furious when people accuse goonswarm of using bookmark bombs and lag exploits but keep in mind, I am not accusing your alliance of doing anything. I have my own feelings and views on the subject but they don't mean anything because i cannot provide the video to prove it. I didn't mean to come across angry, was a short to the point post cause I'm at work :) I was just trying to point out the flaw in your reasoning.
Xordus Beasts of Burden Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.18 05:49:00 - [137] LMFAO!!! Man, RA complains about exploits... amazing.
Fal Anaksimander Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.18 06:04:00 - [138] Hey, let's argue. ----------------------------------------------- RHB - 2006.
Jonaswpl Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.18 06:18:00 - [139] Quote: Lol and you guys didn't ***** about all the supposed RA exploits that went on? Get a grip you tools. Ya we did Captain Obvious. Thanks for pointing out something most people who play EVE already know. Deciding to call us tools even though you have no idea wtf is going on makes you look like the tool. Karma Police
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.18 07:33:00 - [140] Originally by: SlLAS Originally by: nickky01 Originally by: Stahlregen Edited by: Stahlregen on 18/10/2006 03:16:29 Incase you were curious, this is a frapse of the V player refueling the tower while reinforced. He warps the the next pos shortly after the video ends, presumably to refuel that one aswell. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Stahlregen/theculprit.wmv i dont know much about POS's and stuff...and i'm not trying to flame anyone here, this is just a curious question...but to me that kinda looks like a hauler flying around? is there something i should be looking out for?? There's some type of tower there I think--is it Minmatar? It looks like an elongated trash can. you win! (: Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.18 07:44:00 - [141] Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer I see you consecutively replied 3 times, does that mean I've successfully penetrated your 'G-spot' ? don't blame me! Hast told me to make the reply because he is upset that I'm sexeh'ing you instead of him. some pink underwear should do the trick. or maybe was it just forum bugging? only hast can get to my gspot. will check the pink panties doh. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
SlLAS Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2006.10.18 07:56:00 - [142] Originally by: Stahlregen Edited by: Stahlregen on 18/10/2006 05:39:45 Originally by: Matthew Munro Originally by: Stahlregen Something else i am trying to get my head around is that, if the bug was indeed caused by the server crash and not by a V player, Why did they have a Hauler with fuel ready to go just before the poses came out of reinforced instead of several hours later when the shields would have been recharged enough to allow for the refueling like would you expect to normaly occur? Number 1: How do you know when that hauler was ready? Number 2: So instead of preping way in advance so that as soon as the POS's are ready we move, you think we should have tried a mad scramble at the last minute? 1: I don't, I can only assume from his actions of moving between the poses that he was refueling them. Like i said, I don't know wether or not the bug was intentional i can only show the video, state what i think, and let you decide for yourself. 2: I understand what you are saying but i think you are missing the point, The hauler was there before the tower even exited reinforced let alone before the shields had even begun to recharge. Think about how long it normaly takes to recharge a pos shield enough to allow refueling, Now think about how long it would take to recharge an entire system of them. You would know better than i seeing as i haven't seen how many Black Birds you guys can round up in a short amount of time, Not to mention then trying to get them into a system that is quite obvious not under your control for the time being. We all know the mechanics of the POS and how they work. It just seems strange to me that he would go around to each pos while still in reinforced and even attempt to refuel it unless he knew something that we didn't. I understand that you would be angry about your alliance being accused of using exploits, I know how it feels. I get furious when people accuse goonswarm of using bookmark bombs and lag exploits but keep in mind, I am not accusing your alliance of doing anything. I have my own feelings and views on the subject but they don't mean anything because i cannot provide the video to prove it. However what i can and have proved with screenshots and videos is that something is not right, The reinforced timer did not function correctly and a player belonging to your alliance did refuel them when he and everyone else should have known that a refueling would normaly be impossible and could only occur due to a bug. Did you ever think the pilot may have simply gone to the tower to check the fuel itself and not the strontium? I'd recommend leaving it to the GM's. LOL @ the OP removing the thread title.
Pastor Wallace Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.18 08:01:00 - [143] Um.. strangly this whole thread seems pointless. Weither or not the pos's were refueled has nothing todo with V. If it can be done, dont tell me you would not if we were to attack C-J. You would be trying to do the same damn thing. So what this thread is really about is your upset with CCP for allowing problems with the game. Ok take that up with CCP then. Its no differant than goon putting 80-100 ships on a gate, knowing full well that if we jump into them, it will be lag, not them that kills us. In short everyone in this game uses every little quirk they can find to they're advantage. If you have not learned that by now, perhaps you should cancell your account, and play checkers. Short and sweet, RA are notorious for using everything from Lag warfare to using cap ships in complexes. And all of these "exsploits" are just bugs in the game. So dont go pointing your anger at -V- for doing everything in their power to defend their home. Anything they have done is fair play acording to the game code, or they COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT. So take this up with CCP, and if you don't like what you hear then STFU and quit. PW
putukas Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.18 08:09:00 - [144] Edited by: putukas on 18/10/2006 08:12:46 bla bla bla... i dont know what realy happened and who put in more strontium but what im heard he was just trying to get stront in and he was able to do that. CCP is responsible for that! and responsible for many things like the logoff exploit! yesterday i was so **ed on CCP. I came home from work logged in and played couple of hours and when we had target to go kill then the stupid server started to lag and node crashed. 40 pilotes in space and node crash FFS. Stability of EVE is so f*d up im getting sick of this. Fix this game! Dont make expansions and new stuff fix the current game and make it playable!!! one more thing... we had new corp members and quite new players in gang who had never been in fleet before and they had such impression for the first fleet. Stability and good gameplay in this kind of epic battles should be first priority to CCP. Thats the main attraction for EVE. At least for me and many in our group of friends.
boeses frettchen 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.18 08:16:00 - [145] Originally by: putukas Edited by: putukas on 18/10/2006 08:12:46 bla bla bla... i dont know what realy happened and who put in more strontium but what im heard he was just trying to get stront in and he was able to do that. CCP is responsible for that! and responsible for many things like the logoff exploit! yesterday i was so **ed on CCP. I came home from work logged in and played couple of hours and when we had target to go kill then the stupid server started to lag and node crashed. 40 pilotes in space and node crash FFS. Stability of EVE is so f*d up im getting sick of this. Fix this game! Dont make expansions and new stuff fix the current game and make it playable!!! one more thing... we had new corp members and quite new players in gang who had never been in fleet before and they had such impression for the first fleet. Stability and good gameplay in this kind of epic battles should be first priority to CCP. Thats the main attraction for EVE. At least for me and many in our group of friends. qft
arkarsk Provenance.	Posted - 2006.10.18 08:17:00 - [146] Originally by: SlLAS Did you ever think the pilot may have simply gone to the tower to check the fuel itself and not the strontium? I'd recommend leaving it to the GM's. First of all, alt post.. Second of all - I've been operating my own POS for a while now, and i know that as long as you're in the POS bubble, you can check the fuel levels. You only need to be within 1500m of the POS to add more fuel to it. Thus, from what i've seen in the video posted above, that pilot had no reason to approach the POS other than to add fuel (considering he knew that this would be possible). ----------------- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes ;_;
Kal'Kalagan Takahashi Syndicate Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.18 08:18:00 - [147] Edited by: Kal''Kalagan on 18/10/2006 08:19:23 I agree completely - hold off on new content, fix the servers and find a way to end the bugs / exploits. If they cannot be used then we have no need to whine about them -whoever uses them! Traffic control queuese, node crashes, fleet warefare not being possible at POS's without node crashes, logging while cloaked invalidaing dictor spheres and scram points. Plus many other that I am sure people can list all need to be fixed!!
patteSatan Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.18 08:27:00 - [148] Originally by: putukas Edited by: putukas on 18/10/2006 08:12:46 i dont know what realy happened and who put in more strontium but what im heard he was just trying to get stront in and he was able to do that. That sounds like "checking if the POS is bugged enough to refuel it"......
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.18 08:33:00 - [149] Originally by: Kal'Kalagan Traffic control queuese, node crashes, fleet warefare not being possible at POS's without node crashes, logging while cloaked invalidaing dictor spheres and scram points. Plus many other that I am sure people can list all need to be fixed!! F0ck, I agree with you. This should be top priority. Not Kali! _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
H'wi Noree Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.18 09:46:00 - [150] Originally by: Stahlregen Edited by: Stahlregen on 18/10/2006 03:16:29 Incase you were curious, this is a frapse of the V player refueling the tower while reinforced. He warps the the next pos shortly after the video ends, presumably to refuel that one aswell. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Stahlregen/theculprit.wmv Anyone else love the shaky camera action in this video? It's like they are filming out the back of a van, "Quick dave, -V- are exploiting! Turn the damn cam on!" OT: since banning RA for exploits will never happen, I cant think of a more fitting punishment than to have exploits used against them. Not that I believe -V- exploited _____ I have no sig :(

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