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mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.10.18 00:16:00 - [1] Edited by: mishkof on 18/10/2006 00:19:02 Everyone I fly with has known these to be lies for a while now. PvP fleets going up and down the hed pipe whom engage us regularily confirms it for me. Of course we do are part to engage them as well, but they seem to enjoy it a little to much for being "protectors of ISS space". The fact is I respect what ISS doas but do not believe any entity can remain neutral in Eve. PVP is quite simply to fun. Disband your navy and rely soley on the protection of your shareholders, and investors and then I personaly might believe you.
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.10.18 01:36:00 - [2] Edited by: mishkof on 18/10/2006 01:41:12 Originally by: Mangonis Venator Let me get this straight, Pirates are complaining about getting engaged by a Neutral entity? So when the U.S. was neutral and took on the Barbary Coast they were violating their neutrality? Why don't those of aAa, MoM, Finite Horizons, etc. simply thank ISS for the "easy" kills they enjoy at ISS expense. The thing is these engagements dont happen in ISS terroritory for the most part(Edit: get this through your head pls, before commenting on a situation you obviously know nothing about). They are in the Hed area. Is ISS the only ones who are allowed to defend themselves? MOM is just like any other alliance. We have naps, we have enemies just like ISS. They are not special. I cannot help it that when you fly through curse(and the surrounding areas) on a regular basis you are going to be in a system eventually that has ISS sov. I also think it is cute that you call anyone who engages ISS "pirates". The propoganda works well I guess. Besides I will admit that MOM has far bigger problems ATM then ganking miners in ISS terrirories. It simply isnt a high priority, however I find it strange that nowadays I actually fight them more then when we actually went to their station systems.
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.10.18 01:42:00 - [3] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: mishkof The thing is these engagements dont happen in ISS terroritory for the most part. We don't have territory. Then why do you need a navy?
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.10.18 02:00:00 - [4] Originally by: Lygos Originally by: mishkof Disband your navy and rely soley on the protection of your shareholders, and investors and then I personaly might believe you. Maybe we should commit covertops crews in nearby systems to make sure no neutrals fleet sneaks up on your gatecamps and commits unneutralist actions in any highways which might be used by potential customers? I really, really didn't want to comment in this thread.. but damn. What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were they just born with a heart full of neutrality? What? I am just commenting on the fact that ISS picks and choses who they engage. That isnt neutrality. In my experience they "pick" whoever has a smaller gang then them. I am not saying it is a bad thing. We do it(although we have defaintely done our fair share of suicide engagements). The thing is we dont lie about it.
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.10.18 02:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: mishkof Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: mishkof The thing is these engagements dont happen in ISS terroritory for the most part. We don't have territory. Then why do you need a navy? To protect the ISS assets, assets being defined chiefly as the publically-owned outposts and the POS that our member corps run but it can be extended to the property (ships) of alliance members. Sometimes this takes the form of antipirate and peacekeeping operations in regions that we are permitted to use, which is essentially hunting for people who have earned a place on our Kill On Sight list through either piracy or attacking our pilots consistently. If your corp or alliance are on the KOS list and would like off it, we are a peaceful and reasonable bunch and are more than willing to negotiate peace. What you call anti-piracy in your book is simply "picking your targets" in my book. You attack non-lap dog Entities that do not have the backing of a major southern power. That is why ISS is having the PR problems it is having. When the ships that are ISS property happen to attack other people then at least take responsability for it. I am not trying to knock ISS for what they do. They make people rich and do a good job at it. I whole-artedly respect that. I am just saying the terms you use for your fleets actions of late drip with propoganda.
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.10.18 02:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Nyphur Pirates are defined as.. actually that's a good point, I don't believe we've defined what a pirate is. However, you can be assured that we don't just pick targets because they look about right, every person, corp or alliance with a big red star next to their name on my overview earned it for attacking ISS pilots continually. Peacekeeping is defined as attacking "hostiles", hostiles are those people that are -10 and as I said above, nobody gets on that list by accident. Nor is it neccecarilly permanant, you know we want peace when possible. Again with the labels. "Peacekeeping" in you book, is hunting my friends, in my book. I am just trying to help you see your actions from someone elses shoes. OK, you have a KOS list and offer peace when you feel it is to your benefit. Do you then not agree that by having a Navy that partakes in questionable operations that other entities have the right to have you on their KOS list(without being called pirates). Just because you guys spout neutrality doas not permit you and your allies to label who is "good" and who is "bad" in a conflict. That is the only problem I personnaly have with ISS. Also what is your definition of "continually". That is certainly a large spectrum to work with IMO.
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.10.18 04:08:00 - [7] I totally understand what you are saying. Like I said. I have nothing against ISS. I like the concept of ISS. If ISS was just a bunch of rich indies I would like them even more....maybe even to the point of helping to protect them and the assets they overlook. However, your recruiting policies are what is giving you problems. You are letting in "rifraf" which is harming your reputation. Some individuals and corps have histories that are hard to forget even if they fly the ISS banner. In a lot of cases, grudges will override the fact that an entity or person is involved with a neutral party. you have 2000 people in your alliance, that is bound to happen.

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