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Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:40:00 - [1] Edited by: Count TaSessine on 17/10/2006 19:44:47 END Chairman, ISS
Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:40:00 - [2] Edited by: Count TaSessine on 17/10/2006 19:42:50 The security of EC-P8 (ISS Cassini system): some members of the northern alliances have said they have called off the NAP with ISS because we have been unable to maintain a secure environment in EC-P8. Let me answer with a question: was D2 able secure EC-P8 when they owned it? The answer of course is no, as can be seen in EON, where EC-P8 rates as the most dangerous system in Eve. I'd venture that no alliance in the game can secure that system. Yes, some alliances can secure it for limited periods, but at the cost of mind numbing boredom and only by focusing the entire combat force of the alliance on that one system. My second question would be this: why are presumably self sufficient 0.0 alliances, like IRON, D2 etc, so keen on not having gate camps in EC-P8? ISS is not. As long as we can get through that gate when we want to, that's enough for us and it should be enough for you guys. The entry system gate camps are after all what makes 0.0 what it is: 0.0, lawless. Or perhaps I have misunderstood your mission: are you doing this to help the hapless empire players? The fact of the matter is that a 23/7 æcleanÆ entry gate from empire is of little importance to most 0.0 alliances, and that is as it should be. In conclusion: if D2 wants ISS to step away from Cassini, we will. D2 can then manage the outpost on behalf of the shareholders who, it should not be forgotten, paid same D2 no less than 20 Bn ISK for the outpost when it passed into the public domain after BoB and ASCN conquered it from them. No one wanted the station, we accepted responsibility for it and made sure it was sold to the Eve community as a public station. Our alliance does not earn a single ISK from that outpost, apart from those ISS members who may have shares in it, but we have sunk billions into defending it, mostly because we enjoy the incessant pvp this system offers. Chairman, ISS
Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:40:00 - [3] Edited by: Count TaSessine on 17/10/2006 19:45:45 Edited by: Count TaSessine on 17/10/2006 19:42:13 Over the last couple of days, certain alliances have changed standings with ISS. Questions about ISS have been raised, who we are, and some allegations made concerning our neutrality. We'll try to answer them here. About ISS The alliance is 16 months old. In Eve terms, that is more than 2 generations of players, so I guess it is not surprising that the ideas behind the foundation of ISS are blurred, even forgotten by some. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate [ISS] is an alliance which allows small and medium sized corporations access to 0.0 space under favourable conditions [see www.eve-iss.com for more information]. The alliance does not hold or claim territory anywhere in Eve. The alliance was created as a ægrassrootsÆ initiative by a number of independent POS operators (and not, as we have seen Goonswarm say elsewhere, amusingly, as a collaboration between LV and ASCN). The alliance operates a number of outposts which are owned by shareholders from all over Eve. Each month, the revenue from these outposts is paid out as dividends to the shareholders. In addition, the alliance manages one non-public outpost on behalf of Lotka Volterra in Tenerifis (read more about this below). We've been responsible for a number of 'firsts' in any MMO: the first ever IPO (initial public offering of shares), and the construction of the first publically owned trading outpost in 0.0 space... IÆll point you towards our list of references here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/issue/25/3 http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/gift-guide/is-eve-online-better-than-wow-141097.php http://www.dragonscoveherald.com/blog/index.php?p=1034 http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=951&tid=7 http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=912&tid=5 See more at http://www.eve-iss.com/publicsite/press.asp Chairman, ISS
Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:40:00 - [4] Edited by: Count TaSessine on 17/10/2006 19:43:21 Behaviour of ISS corporations in 0.0 space: Let me just state this once and for all. ISS does not have agreements with certain alliances to report on enemy fleet movements. If an ISS corp appears to do so, report them to ISS Management and we deal with them swiftly, either we kick out the corp or we kick out the offending pilot. And all alliances who have dealt with ISS know this is our policy. WeÆre also very strict on the ISS Charter when new corporations join ISS, and thatÆs all we can realistically be expected to do. IÆm not going to directly address the hypocrisy and paranoia of some people regarding scouts and shuttles and what have you. Its all part of the game :-) Chairman, ISS
Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:40:00 - [5] Edited by: Count TaSessine on 17/10/2006 19:44:31 ISS outpost in Tenerifis: Yes, we manage an outpost for LV in Tenerifis. This does not mean we're allied with LV. Part of the deal with LV states that ISS will not participate in fleet operations alongside LV against their enemies. We will, however, strive to maintain a safe environment around the areas where we ourselves operate. Neutrality does not equal pacifism, as someone pointed out on another thread. LV has stated they donÆt want trespassers in their region. We help evict these to the best of our ability. When theyÆre blue to us due to standings gained from elsewhere in Eve, we ask them to leave, when theyÆre red, we shoot them. Its really simple and shouldnÆt give much philosophical pause. ISS have entered into this arrangement with LV because our members wanted it. And LV accepted it because they chose to trust us, and because they saw a business opportunity in it. As an aside, Firefoxx80 of D2 made a workable suggestion as to how we can sort the inevitable confusions when LV æofficialÆ enemies (ie not pirates) scout the northern part of Tenerifis: Originally by: FireFoxx80 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Going diplomatic for a second.... ISS state that they have a specific list of corporations operating in LV space. How about this: - D2/IRON set any ISS corp related to intel logs to -10 - D2/IRON set any ISS corp operating from LV space to -10 - Any other ISS corp is set to +5 Anyway, we're open to sign the same kind of deal with any territorial alliance in Eve. Write me or convo the Management team, and we can start negotiations. Problem is, that not many alliances in Eve are as visionary as LV. Except for example... BoB. They have done exactly the same with some of their 'pet' corps in Period Basis and Delve. The pets (yes, its not a very flattering name, but very bob'esque ) mine and build outposts in BoB's regions which they manage on their own. And BoB earns untold billions of isk from those agreements every week. The pets are the real reason BoB is such a strong alliance in the game, despite their deceptively limited numbers, and the reason BoB can hold so much territory. It's all about vision and good business sense. BoB has it, LV has it. If you have it too, you're welcome to contact ISS. It does not mean ISS take sides in 0.0 wars, and it does not mean we intend to. But we are pledged to defend the public outposts that our shareholders have trusted us to manage, and we will do so with all our ability. We take the relationship with our shareholders extremely serious, it is what defines the ISS, and it has lifted this game above the pack. You see this kind of gameplay happening in WoW? No, I didnÆt think so. Chairman, ISS
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Count TaSessine xx xx to you too <3 dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:41:00 - [7] Indeed. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
Mimiru Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:42:00 - [8] a 5 poster, should be entertaining /me grabs popcorn --------- Join my corp! shoot people!
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:42:00 - [9] Originally by: Count TaSessine xx slanderous lies! Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:43:00 - [10] I'm guessing these are placeholders :)

Karl Shade FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Count TaSessine It's all about vision and good business sense. BoB has it, LV has it. Nooo, miners just give us a warm fuzzy feeling. -
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:52:00 - [12] Well done. Could have been there a little quicker, but I guess we all have lives, eh?* Maybe only most of us. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language."* --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Dust Angel True Core	Posted - 2006.10.17 20:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Count TaSessine xx slanderous lies! Agreed! it was not many bothans, rather Many undacova brothas. mirel yirrin > "DU HAST VERBROKEN DAS FORUMERN RULEN! DU SWINE!"
Mat rix Caldari Sacred Templars DeStInY.	Posted - 2006.10.17 20:02:00 - [14] wow the fog of war gets longer and harder to read. . . .
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.17 20:25:00 - [15] excellent post Count. I support this visionary goal wholeheartedly, as do many of my closest friends. Hope you can resolve this situation diplomatically, although I fear one of the universial laws will work against you; whatever the truth, people will believe what they want to believe Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.17 20:28:00 - [16] Ok so say none of this happened, and D2/IRON decides to invade LV. Who does ISS shoot? FREEE is Recruiting
bfm Amarr ISS Navy Task Force	Posted - 2006.10.17 20:30:00 - [17] Originally by: NATMav Ok so say none of this happened, and D2/IRON decides to invade LV. Who does ISS shoot? As long as ISS assets are not under attack, nobody
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.17 20:38:00 - [18] Originally by: bfm Originally by: NATMav Ok so say none of this happened, and D2/IRON decides to invade LV. Who does ISS shoot? As long as ISS assets are not under attack, nobody Your actions tell a different story, at least in the case outlined in the original thread. FREEE is Recruiting
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2006.10.17 20:45:00 - [19] It's a nice post CT, but it's not really going to change anything. ISS has become a security threat, plain and simple. Their members do not respect the soverignty of the Northern alliances(I'm looking forward to shooting that ISS POS in Fade later tonight, BTW), their members have acted as spies for our enemies, they have NAPed the regional pirates rather than fight them(and indeed may be hiding them), and I'm not the only person to claim to see ISS members isk-farming via macro. The ISS has outlived its usefulness in the North; the capital era requires greater security which can't be achieved with ISS inhabiting the area. It was fun, but now it's time to move on and die. Good luck on future business oppertunities however, you're a kick-ass businessman. (not speaking for CORE/AUS/myself) ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
thetwilitehour Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.17 20:49:00 - [20] Its cool to see negotiations and agreements with that kind of interesting diplomatic language. The problem is ultimately the ISS charter that allows any corp to join as long as they pay the fees. Sure you will kick the member or corp if they offend, but first whoever they screw has to prove it. If the ISS corp relating fleet movements uses personal conversations intead of local it pretty quickly becomes impossible to show that ISS is essentially violating their neutrality. But even assuming your member corps are so stupid as to always chat in local, theres no reason we wont see a revolving door of problem corps joining ISS and revealing fleet movements or gate camps or whatever else. Theres a reason that people in noob corps with 7 day old characters are KOS to most alliances, not because its known they will do something, but because they are a potential liability. ISS has shown that its members are a potential liability, in essence acting just like those alt scouts. Why are you surprised that people are calling for action to be taken? If you want to maintain your neutrality, you need to not only remove offending members and corps, but also recompense those wronged. Otherwise you're simply going to have to ask to be forgiven constantly by those your "neutrality" is screwing over. That or be more selective about who you let in to the alliance.

Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.17 20:53:00 - [21] Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 17/10/2006 20:54:25 Quote: Yes, we manage an outpost for LV in Tenerifis...Part of the deal with LV states that ISS will not participate in fleet operations alongside LV against their enemies. We will, however, strive to maintain a safe environment around the areas where we ourselves operate. Neutrality does not equal pacifism, as someone pointed out on another thread. LV has stated they donÆt want trespassers in their region. We help evict these to the best of our ability... Uh, I must be missing something here.
Stins Gallente ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.17 20:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Verite Rendition It's a nice post CT, but it's not really going to change anything. ISS has become a security threat, plain and simple. Their members do not respect the soverignty of the Northern alliances(I'm looking forward to shooting that ISS POS in Fade later tonight, BTW), their members have acted as spies for our enemies, they have NAPed the regional pirates rather than fight them(and indeed may be hiding them), and I'm not the only person to claim to see ISS members isk-farming via macro. The ISS has outlived its usefulness in the North; the capital era requires greater security which can't be achieved with ISS inhabiting the area. It was fun, but now it's time to move on and die. Good luck on future business oppertunities however, you're a kick-ass businessman. (not speaking for CORE/AUS/myself) Please also eve mail me the name of the corporation that has set up that POS in fade. By the time you start shooting that POS, it will no longer be a ISS POS. Its a clear breach of our charter to set up a POS in a claimed region without contract. I might add that ISS management has a zero-tolerance policy if one of the ISS corporations / pilots breaches the charter, to which they all agreed upon joining. 95% of our corporations work perfectly within our charter, and we hardly get any complaints about them. It is the other 5% that make misuse of our alliance. ISS management has not eyes in every system in eve, so we must rely on others to report any incidents. We encourage to send reports of ISS pilots not behaving according to our charter, to our management team, listed below for your convenience. General information about ISS, reports of incidents with ISS pilots: Parcan, James Lyrus, Stins, Cker Heel, Ace, Nyphur, Ehrine Ashbark
Raivi Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2006.10.17 21:03:00 - [23] Edited by: Raivi on 17/10/2006 21:04:11 Basically it looks like ISS have a simmilar arrangement with LV that MC has with BoB. They will defend their specific territory, but not help the alliance otherwise. Not even all ISS member corps are allowed in the Tenerifis base area. I'm sure that if ASCN gets deep into Period Basis they'll be smart enough not to plan their invasion route through MC's home. Just go around ISS if you don't want to fight them.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.17 21:09:00 - [24] Edited by: Evil Thug on 17/10/2006 21:09:45 Originally by: Count TaSessine Behaviour of ISS corporations in 0.0 space: Let me just state this once and for all. ISS does not have agreements with certain alliances to report on enemy fleet movements. Liar. You will pay, sooner or later. Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.17 21:09:00 - [25] Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 17/10/2006 21:09:51 Crumbs, I didn't expect anyone to take me seriously! Oh, and I am IRON, not D2 What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Serenity Steele Rearden Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.17 21:14:00 - [26] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 17/10/2006 21:15:15 Count, Thanks for pointing out the goals and neutrality of the ISS. I believe many have forgotten, or joined EvE after the Providence IPO and construction and never knew. To address the comment on POS and capital ships, I would argue that the fact the corporations breaking the charter in ISS might place a POS, merely provides a clear marker on the map to identify them (or ISS management become aware and take action) and you know there is an organisation working on getting the POS removed. The alternative is non-ISS accidental or deliberate unknown stealth POS. ISS has always addressed the security terms of it's neighbours and been an open ear, and will continue to do so. This is taken so far as that some alliances can dock at one Public Outpost, but not another. If neutral and non-hostile corps/alliances view the Pilots, POS and Stations of the ISS as threats, they are looking in the wrong direction. Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
marcouk2 Gallente Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.17 21:18:00 - [27] Edited by: marcouk2 on 17/10/2006 21:23:36 Originally by: Stins Originally by: Verite Rendition It's a nice post CT, but it's not really going to change anything. ISS has become a security threat, plain and simple. Their members do not respect the soverignty of the Northern alliances(I'm looking forward to shooting that ISS POS in Fade later tonight, BTW), their members have acted as spies for our enemies, they have NAPed the regional pirates rather than fight them(and indeed may be hiding them), and I'm not the only person to claim to see ISS members isk-farming via macro. The ISS has outlived its usefulness in the North; the capital era requires greater security which can't be achieved with ISS inhabiting the area. It was fun, but now it's time to move on and die. Good luck on future business oppertunities however, you're a kick-ass businessman. (not speaking for CORE/AUS/myself) Please also eve mail me the name of the corporation that has set up that POS in fade. By the time you start shooting that POS, it will no longer be a ISS POS. Its a clear breach of our charter to set up a POS in a claimed region without contract. I might add that ISS management has a zero-tolerance policy if one of the ISS corporations / pilots breaches the charter, to which they all agreed upon joining. 95% of our corporations work perfectly within our charter, and we hardly get any complaints about them. It is the other 5% that make misuse of our alliance. ISS management has not eyes in every system in eve, so we must rely on others to report any incidents. We encourage to send reports of ISS pilots not behaving according to our charter, to our management team, listed below for your convenience. General information about ISS, reports of incidents with ISS pilots: Parcan, James Lyrus, Stins, Cker Heel, Ace, Nyphur, Ehrine Ashbark The corp that owns the pos has joined and left ISS over the past couple of days but its only an alt corp for another member of ISS as shown by screenshots taken on sunday night. Pos SS 1 Pos SS 2 Pos SS 3 Pos SS 4 Also I was asked in local to leave the neutral hauler alone: [ 2006.10.15 23:57:58 ] Nikerym Selugion > marc, could you leave sarah alone to grab the ore please?
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2006.10.17 21:24:00 - [28] Originally by: marcouk2 Originally by: Stins Originally by: Verite Rendition It's a nice post CT, but it's not really going to change anything. ISS has become a security threat, plain and simple. Their members do not respect the soverignty of the Northern alliances(I'm looking forward to shooting that ISS POS in Fade later tonight, BTW), their members have acted as spies for our enemies, they have NAPed the regional pirates rather than fight them(and indeed may be hiding them), and I'm not the only person to claim to see ISS members isk-farming via macro. The ISS has outlived its usefulness in the North; the capital era requires greater security which can't be achieved with ISS inhabiting the area. It was fun, but now it's time to move on and die. Good luck on future business oppertunities however, you're a kick-ass businessman. (not speaking for CORE/AUS/myself) Please also eve mail me the name of the corporation that has set up that POS in fade. By the time you start shooting that POS, it will no longer be a ISS POS. Its a clear breach of our charter to set up a POS in a claimed region without contract. I might add that ISS management has a zero-tolerance policy if one of the ISS corporations / pilots breaches the charter, to which they all agreed upon joining. 95% of our corporations work perfectly within our charter, and we hardly get any complaints about them. It is the other 5% that make misuse of our alliance. ISS management has not eyes in every system in eve, so we must rely on others to report any incidents. We encourage to send reports of ISS pilots not behaving according to our charter, to our management team, listed below for your convenience. General information about ISS, reports of incidents with ISS pilots: Parcan, James Lyrus, Stins, Cker Heel, Ace, Nyphur, Ehrine Ashbark The corp that owns the pos has joined and left ISS over the past couple of days but its only an alt corp for another member of ISS as shown by screenshots taken on sunday night. Pos SS 1 Pos SS 2 Pos SS 3 Pos SS 4 You took the words right out of my mouth. I'm looking at them right now huddled in their POS after they scattered from mining when I came in to the system, it's all quite amusing. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Shuriken Ertai Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.17 21:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Count TaSessine was D2 able secure EC-P8 when they owned it? D2 NEVER owned EC-PR8 PERIOD.
Stins Gallente ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.17 21:30:00 - [30] Quote: The corp that owns the pos has joined and left ISS over the past couple of days but its only an alt corp for another member of ISS as shown by screenshots taken on sunday night. Pos SS 1 Pos SS 2 Pos SS 3 Pos SS 4 Also I was asked in local to leave the neutral hauler alone: [ 2006.10.15 23:57:58 ] Nikerym Selugion > marc, could you leave sarah alone to grab the ore please? Tnx for this, it will be dealt with.



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