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vixit
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Posted - 2003.11.02 11:03:00 -
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If you don't want an undercut...
Wage war, destroy... and voila:
"you have your own monopoly"
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.02 11:07:00 -
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Just for the muppet who used HMV as an example earlier in this thread, a CD, fully packaged, costs around 70 pence to make.
So why do we buy them at ú8-15 at a time?
Because that's what supports the economy.
Muppet.
I buy CDs at ten for a fiver. You want to work on that analogy some more? 
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.02 18:45:00 -
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in fact, im still selling them at 500k very easily, which shows how much stupid of him it was to sell at thoses prices
No, it shows how stupid this thread is. If you're still selling at your price, why come here and ***** about him undercutting you?
Silly.
Veruna Caseti
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.02 23:08:00 -
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It is "silly" for any who remember the regional amrkets before Highways trashed most of the economy.
Its also "silly" in terms of the decreased profits over increased production expense (make more items to get less profit)
It can be "silly" for a lot of very good reasons.
Bottom line though is probably what CCP think... and they are clearly showing that by removing unlimite doriginal BPs as being agent rewards and even drops.
They didn't intend the galactic market to work like this, they didn't intend to destroy regional markets, they didn't intend for BPC sales to be more worthwhile than manufacturing and they didn't intend for sale costs of most items only just reaching over recycling costs and in some cases being underneath it.
All of that is "silly".
But so, in some people's opinions, is "panic selling"... which is rife in EVE where people produce non-stop and hten worry if they don't sell 100% by the expiry of the 24hour cycle.. so drastically reduce prices to clear - rinse, repeat, ad nauseum.
A lot of things are silly.
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Denathis Arabar
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Posted - 2003.11.03 23:35:00 -
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Just for the muppet who used HMV as an example earlier in this thread, a CD, fully packaged, costs around 70 pence to make.
So why do we buy them at ú8-15 at a time?
Because that's what supports the economy.
Muppet.
erm yeah i buy cd's for about 20-30p each you muppet. If you mean music cd's then there is more cost involved (prolly about ú5 all in) and you can get them for about ú2-4 .
Competition is a good thing, the fact is the market is not silly because people compete, its realistic. It would be silly if your miners sold at 2000% profit for a long time. The market in eve is actually very realistic!!
Mimmicking a real life market.
Initially when the new item comes out it is ridiculously priced for those stupid/desperate/rich enough to buy. The few companies who risked investment in the product make large profits (though set up costs are high to be able to make the product)
Then as the product show popularity then it is manufactured by more and more. Cost for manufacturing comes down and prices drop. You show me one item which keeps its price high NATURALLY and i will give you 1,000,000 isk.
The system is perfect at the moment. The problem is in the ease of manufacture. If you had a world where everyone could make anything given the right minerals and instructions then EVERYTHING would be cheap. Which is what is happening in eve. Items need to take skill to make, which only characters with high memory can make. Then you will see luxury items which will keep high prices. The "Ferraris" of eve
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.04 02:05:00 -
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Morkt, you're just upset because you were wrong about the Miner II market tanking hardcore. 
Veruna Caseti
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.04 03:23:00 -
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Its also "silly" in terms of the decreased profits over increased production expense (make more items to get less profit)
Again, you completely fail to comprehend that other people might just possible have motives that don't consist of "gouge the customer for as much as you possible can."
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Caleb Ayrania
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Posted - 2003.11.04 12:39:00 -
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Have anyone ever seen a marketed items introduction development?
Like IPOs on the stockmarkets?
Funny but seems like the curve looks exactly like the price development of the Miner II..
Its natural, so please stop mudthrowing allready..
If market demand is strong enough it should eventually go back up some.. I expect to see it level at around 500-600k
Regards Caleb Ayrania.
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Tirael
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Posted - 2003.11.04 17:14:00 -
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I buy CDs at ten for a fiver. You want to work on that analogy some more?
Assuming you actually got the point and you are referring to music cd's, I'll have to guess you buy them off "Dodgy Alan" down the market. To bring a similarity between a black market and a commercial economy to the table, and not propose that one is a biproduct of the other, I think kind of proves my point.
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Again, you completely fail to comprehend that other people might just possible have motives that don't consist of "gouge the customer for as much as you possible can."
Walk into any high street store near you and see if they'll give you a management job.
You a Director in your Corporation?
You work for Microsoft, right?
Why not give stuff away for free then?
Oh Lordy.
All questions are rhetorical by the way, just kidding.
The only completely consistent people are dead. - Aldous Huxley |
psychonaut
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Posted - 2003.11.04 17:23:00 -
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Here we go again !!!!!
People have taken days to get that BP. Just think how much they could mine in that time!!!
Unfortunatly people dont think they should pay more than mineral rates for things, and even worse some people dont think they should sell for a profit coz after all minerals are 'free' as they mined them so its all profit isnt it?
Ive stopped producing anything as its just not worth the time and effort. Let the sell at mineral value group spend hours losing money.
The markets screwed RIP
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Tirael
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Posted - 2003.11.04 18:24:00 -
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Cowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. Here I am, stuck in the middle with you....
lol
The only completely consistent people are dead. - Aldous Huxley |
DATRO
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Posted - 2003.11.04 19:22:00 -
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This happens quite frequently with the Implant market as well. What do I do to combat this problem? I buy them up as fast as I can. Then sell them at my price which is normally the lowest in the region after buying out the lowballer. sure he gets away with selling it, but I still make the 30% on the implant. Not a bad haul.
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GraveDigger
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Posted - 2003.11.04 19:35:00 -
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I've been saying the same thing for weeks!!
the people that have the M2 originals are a bunch of morons.
I used to sell them on the Metro market, but because of all the idiots undercutting each other, its just not worth the hastle.
I know who the corps that sell them are, they come to my station and give me the zero sell order bug first. bunch of cheaters IMO. then, when that didn't work, they come to my station from one jump away to under sell me and we get into a sell war.I would be more pi$$ed off if I hadn't made alot of isks from them early on.
It was too good to last though.
my corp is not out to sabotage anyone selling M2's in the metro region, I wish you all the luck, even though yall killed the market for them. I could give out corp. names and sellers but think that would be totaly week.
just like Techell having 6 wars going on at one time because of high M2 prices, I could see people getting just as mad at the corps that tanked the prices down under 300k.
not I however, we stoped selling them on the market when they went under 900k each.
we just make BPcs and sell to people that want them on the trade channel and people we meet out selling cruiser BPs.
again, good luck to all that get a M2 original. I never thought they would go under 1 mills each.
people used to line up in droves to pay 5.5 mills each from techell, its a mystery to me why people would sell them at 300k or less.
Greed, I guess :)
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Fred0
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Posted - 2003.11.04 20:02:00 -
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again, good luck to all that get a M2 original. I never thought they would go under 1 mills each. people used to line up in droves to pay 5.5 mills each from techell, its a mystery to me why people would sell them at 300k or less.
That really says more about you than the rest. Do you have any clue as to how markets work?
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Fred0
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Posted - 2003.11.04 20:04:00 -
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The markets screwed RIP
Not really. It's just highly competitive with full transparency, perfect information etc. Result is marginal profits. Anyone knows that.
You guys make me chuckle every time...
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Totalis Orange
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Posted - 2003.11.04 23:03:00 -
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Walk into any high street store near you and see if they'll give you a management job.
You a Director in your Corporation?
You work for Microsoft, right?
Why not give stuff away for free then?
Oh Lordy.
You don't really think too much about economics of things do you? It is plain silly to think that all corprations do is gouge consumers for all it can.
There are different ways to generating overall profit for the company. Each company has their own stredgy. Not all companies simply charge the highest it can for products & services.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2003.11.05 10:19:00 -
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Excactly, with the time it takes to travel etc. I bet someone setting up a board and offering advanced 121 deliveries could probably make alot of money. Especially if the costumer is member of one of the outer regions.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.11.05 10:25:00 -
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So the one selling it for 300k is greedy and the one selling it for 2,5m is smart?
If I had one I would be selling them for 200k and lower.
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Arrik
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Posted - 2003.11.05 10:58:00 -
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Oh dear.
So your precious moneyspinner has now fallen apart because people who understand that we don't want to pay ridiculous prices for a simple mining laser?
Look at the basic stats, compare it to the Miner 1. The Miner 2 requires 10 more CPU (making that much harder to fit in numbers), and has an ore rate (even after skill modS) only 33% greater than the miner 1.
Is this really worth 2000% markups? I didn't think so. I weouldn't buy other mining lasers because they were stupidly overpriced, but at least they had the excuse of being rare loot drops. No, I will continue to buy my Miner 2s in Minmatar space at 270k each or lower, and line the purse of someone who sells at the price THE BUYER is willing to purchase at.
We are not all out there for you to take advantage of, and we are not all so stupid as to pay 12 or even 3M for an item that costs you next to nothing to produce.
Go "Morons" - We Salute You!
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SUNchaser
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Posted - 2003.11.05 17:58:00 -
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Its got nothing to do with greed or stupidity. It is simply a matter of supply and demand. To assume that an item that costs 50K to make should sell at 10, 50,100 times its base cost is foolish. The original prices on miner II's were very high due to very limited demand. If you wanted prices to stay high then the miner II BP should never have made it into the game. All miner II's should have been NPC pirate drops just like the other named mining lasers and thus ensuring a very limited supply.
The only reason the "harvester cartel" is able to artificially hold prices high is because the supply was cut off by ccp. If the new tech 2 items are brought into the game in the same way as miner II's were you can expect a collapse of prices for them too. The only pay off for the people who have spent all that time doing missions is not a miner II BP payoff but they should all be near the forefront receiving the new tech 2 stuff. The high profit window may be small but it will be there for a short period of time. Who said that once you got your miner II BP you would be on easy street in this game from that point on.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.05 21:22:00 -
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I buy CDs at ten for a fiver. You want to work on that analogy some more?
Assuming you actually got the point and you are referring to music cd's
Ahh .. we're talking about music CDs? In that case, I apologise. My reply should have read?
To suggest that they cost so little to place on the shelves is absolute garbage. Someone has to write the music; someone has to produce it; someone has to distribute it; someone has to pay rental on the shop space where they're being sold. Unless, of course, you refer ONLY to the cost of "making the CD" .. in which case, well, I buy Cds at ten for a fiver.
You want to work on that analogy some more?
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2003.11.05 22:56:00 -
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No pity from me.
I waited until the price dropped to under 500k before buying 8 of them. So I guess I saved myself 12m++ (depending on what time you look at the pricing history.)
That of course, it the consumers strategy for the market :)
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.06 01:39:00 -
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No pity from me.
I waited until the price dropped to under 500k before buying 8 of them. So I guess I saved myself 12m++ (depending on what time you look at the pricing history.)
That of course, it the consumers strategy for the market :)
The trouble is, you can't TELL. I sold off my collection of implants, knowing full well that as more and more people did agent missions, the supply would keep going up and the price would keep going down.
Then they unexpectedly juggled things around, nobody knew where, or even if, you could get perception implants any more, and the ones I'd just sold for 6-8 million each were suddenly worth more than five times as much.
I was not a happy bunny.
OTOH I also had every reason to believe miner II prices would fall, so I waited to buy them, and they DID fall. Some you lose, some you win.
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