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Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
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Posted - 2015.03.17 12:38:18 -
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In my playing experience, living in wormholes, I subjectively feel that I encounter more other players than two or three years ago, or at least as many. When I travel in hisec and go to Jita, numbers also seem on a stable, robust level.
News I hear from other areas of space also don't sound so bad: Low sec, which was for many years a barren wasteland, is bustling with activity. Nullsec may be a little stagnant, but I also haven't heard of any catastrophic drop in activity.
But if you look at the hard numbers of logged-in characters from eve-offline.net, they look quite sobering. And I'm not talking peak numbers here, but the 'period average':
Last 36 hours: 22k
Last week: 24k
2 weeks: 25k
1 month: 25k
3 months: 30k
6 month: 36k
1 year: 39k
5 years: 49k
All: 37k
That's a drop of more than 50% from the 5-year average. That is huge.
I think that objectively, EVE is a better game than ever. The new people in charge and the new release cycle have finally made EVE a professionally developed product. When I started playing, it still seemed like it was made by some dudes in a garage. Patches needed sometimes a day to deploy and broke half of the game. Frequent downtimes because of database corruption and so on. These things are mostly in the past now.
So, any theories why the numbers have dropped so drastically? War on botting? Fewer alts used? Less afk'ing?
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1152
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Posted - 2015.03.17 12:43:33 -
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The longer timeline includes more large spikes and that jacks up the average.
Either that or we're all doomed.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
12159
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Posted - 2015.03.17 12:50:34 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:The longer timeline includes more large spikes and that jacks up the average.
Either that or we're all doomed.
Plus all the banned ISBoxing.
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2015.03.17 12:50:36 -
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The are a ton more mmos available than 5 years ago. Also, as players are aging their priorities in life change and the new generation of players is in search for instant gratification while Eve requires at least long term commitment.
A good signature always makes up for lack of content.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10194
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Posted - 2015.03.17 12:57:36 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:In my playing experience, living in wormholes, I subjectively feel that I encounter more other players than two or three years ago, or at least as many. When I travel in hisec and go to Jita, numbers also seem on a stable, robust level.
News I hear from other areas of space also don't sound so bad: Low sec, which was for many years a barren wasteland, is bustling with activity. Nullsec may be a little stagnant, but I also haven't heard of any catastrophic drop in activity.
But if you look at the hard numbers of logged-in characters from eve-offline.net, they look quite sobering. And I'm not talking peak numbers here, but the 'period average':
Last 36 hours: 22k
Last week: 24k
2 weeks: 25k
1 month: 25k
3 months: 30k
6 month: 36k
1 year: 39k
5 years: 49k
All: 37k
That's a drop of more than 50% from the 5-year average. That is huge.
I think that objectively, EVE is a better game than ever. The new people in charge and the new release cycle have finally made EVE a professionally developed product. When I started playing, it still seemed like it was made by some dudes in a garage. Patches needed sometimes a day to deploy and broke half of the game. Frequent downtimes because of database corruption and so on. These things are mostly in the past now.
So, any theories why the numbers have dropped so drastically? War on botting? Fewer alts used? Less afk'ing?
Fewer alts used is a big one. I know that to reduce a bit of strain on my wallet I went from 4 accounts to 3 (just re-subbed the 4th account last week).
Other than that, what you end up seeing isn't EVE's population, it's "core population vs casuals". Yea double whammy with an EN24 article AND it's Gevlon lol, but it's actually good work there. The "Core" population always logs in, it's the fair weather casuals coming and going that makes it seem like fewer people are playing (again, among other things like how CCP killed the need for alts with multiple character traning etc).
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Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
702
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Posted - 2015.03.17 13:08:26 -
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Interesting. In fact, I personally also use fewer accounts/characters than in the past. Not even for money/ISK reasons, but because I don't have to. In today's EVE there are more things a single character can do without need for alts. Which is a good thing, because in general it's more fun to focus on one client compared to constant switching between clients.
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
395
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Posted - 2015.03.17 13:13:08 -
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Yep. I blame reduced altitis and the ISBoxer policy. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
247
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Posted - 2015.03.17 13:19:18 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Fewer alts used is a big one. I know that to reduce a bit of strain on my wallet I went from 4 accounts to 3 (just re-subbed the 4th account last week). Other than that, what you end up seeing isn't EVE's population, it's "core population vs casuals". Yea double whammy with an EN24 article AND it's Gevlon lol, but it's actually good work there. The "Core" population always logs in, it's the fair weather casuals coming and going that makes it seem like fewer people are playing (again, among other things like how CCP killed the need for alts with multiple character traning etc).
This^. The majority of our eve online numbers logged in isn't so much as other people, its the same people with more accounts.
People don't like relying on people in eve, or waiting to team up with someone to go out and do something past a roam, and even some pvpers will fly multiple accounts in combat.
A long standing method of play eve is if you want to do more then get more alts.
between Rising Plex prices over the years and constant hits against activities people use alts for such as ISBOX, Capital ships (between ship sitters and cyno alts), and pilots that had salvage alts for their missions.
I know of a couple of ISBOX that was running incursions that sold all of the nightmares for supers and took off to nullsec, Now im going to say that come the summer (if he hasn't already started looking at something else with skynet's death) that once supers become nothing more than a boosting ship, either 1 we will find something else or 2 the fleets will lead to several hundred more accounts unsubbing.
Also eve needs to stop all of the ads about "come play eve, be the bad guy" Not everyone likes being the bad guy but the game is infested with them. I watch brand new pilots that just get their venture get ganked because they are mining, HTF is that a good way to retain subs when people are blowing up or scamming legitimate new pilots? (and im not talking about peoples alts here)
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2015.03.17 13:50:41 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:
The are a ton more mmos available than 5 years ago. Also, as players are aging their priorities in life change and the new generation of players is in search for instant gratification while Eve requires at least long term commitment.
This is probably the most accurate, though not nearly wordy enough for GD! (You need to work on your BS factor!)
The upside is, those young gamers will be coming back our way eventually.
Short attention spans tend to lengthen with time.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to type on your keyboard and remove all doubt.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1154
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Posted - 2015.03.17 13:55:25 -
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Agondray wrote:
Also eve needs to stop all of the ads about "come play eve, be the bad guy" Not everyone likes being the bad guy
I'd rather have Eve filled with people who are ok with that line of advertising. Anyone who isn't ok with it can find something else to play.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1296
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Posted - 2015.03.17 14:02:14 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Other than that, what you end up seeing isn't EVE's population, it's "core population vs casuals". Yea double whammy with an EN24 article AND it's Gevlon lol, but it's actually good work there. The "Core" population always logs in, it's the fair weather casuals coming and going that makes it seem like fewer people are playing (again, among other things like how CCP killed the need for alts with multiple character traning etc).
And it's the core customers CCP has been neglecting for years, in favour of the WOW crowd.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
175
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Posted - 2015.03.17 14:10:19 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Agondray wrote:
Also eve needs to stop all of the ads about "come play eve, be the bad guy" Not everyone likes being the bad guy
I'd rather have Eve filled with people who are ok with that line of advertising. Anyone who isn't ok with it can find something else to play.
People need to understand, that EvE is a parallel universe where chars are (and behave like!) immortal semi-gods, where death doesn't count the same as in real life. Shooting players' ships and pods for fun is not bad in New Eden. Btw, "New Eden" is a nice euphemism.   .
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Mashie Saldana
Gallente Rebels Inc.
Villore Accords
1554
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Posted - 2015.03.17 14:10:21 -
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I used to have 6 active accounts, now I have 2. A lot of people have been ditching alts for various reasons.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1297
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Posted - 2015.03.17 14:19:02 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:I used to have 6 active accounts, now I have 2. A lot of people have been ditching alts for various reasons.
I've been running 5-7 for years, I'm working on bringing that back to 3 (this char is a result of that plan, still in training but will be "done" is about 3 months). |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10195
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Posted - 2015.03.17 14:26:26 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Agondray wrote:
Also eve needs to stop all of the ads about "come play eve, be the bad guy" Not everyone likes being the bad guy
I'd rather have Eve filled with people who are ok with that line of advertising. Anyone who isn't ok with it can find something else to play.
Me too. I don't play the 'bad guy' (for the most part, as a PVE player that only rarely does missions for pirate factions I "playing" a cop or a at least a bounty hunter), but im cool with those who do, because it makes the game fun instead of the bland and fake "goodness" of real life.
To me EVE is like a Strip Club where it's very honest about what people are in there for ( the 'T & A') and if you want to talk to someone you 'tip' them, as opposed to a "Night Club" (aka real life) where everyone is pretending they are 'there to have a good time' (instead of saying "I came for the T & A") and where if you want to talk to someone you 'buy them a drink' (which is only different from tipping a stripper in that it's WAY more expensive).
(Side note, why can't I go into a night club and just stuff a dollar into someone obviously exposed undergarments to strike up a conversation? Most girls I saw in night clubs had on only marginally more clothes than strippers )
EVE is simply what many (not all ) people would be if they were in fact spaceship flying Demi-Gods. |
Vyl Vit
1101
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Posted - 2015.03.17 14:37:57 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:To me EVE is like a Strip Club ....(Side note, why can't I go into a night club and just stuff a dollar into someone obviously exposed undergarments to strike up a conversation? Most girls I saw in night clubs had on only marginally more clothes than strippers ) EVE is simply what many (not all ) people would be if they were in fact spaceship flying Demi-Gods. Uh HUH...right... I don't think the majority of people in civilized society would agree with the significance of this "take" in characterizing a venue where junior is being enticed to attend. You may like it, but the world isn't beating a path to the door of strip clubs to see some T&A (especially those who ... I'll leave it at "don't NEED to"). Though, I appreciate you saying this as it might give the management some insight into EVE's reputation.
EVE certainly has a reputation and it's not one responsible parents would wish to see attached to their children. I mention this because responsible parents tend to pay their credit card bills, where those who want to stuff money in people's underwear tend to PLEX, which as fun as it may be, doesn't pay the bills. (And, who said grinding for PLEX is fun?)
There's not a lot you can do about this if you insist upon making EVE the first-name in perverse on-line behavior. It will definitely cut down on the traffic. I myself don't tell people I play this game, as I still want them to welcome me into their homes without fear of my disrespecting the sanctity of the hovel, walking out with the silverware, or diddling Sally Sue.
Yeah, rather than continue to try to pry open this can of peas, it'd be better to just suggest the "baddy of gaming" idea isn't very good advertising unless you want the sort that don't pay their bills. After all, in a capitalist society those are the baddies, no?
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
612
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Posted - 2015.03.17 14:42:46 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:To me EVE is like a Strip Club where...I go and...just stuff a dollar into someone['s]
...undergarments to strike up a conversation. Why am I not surprised?
The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
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Serene Repose
2409
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Posted - 2015.03.17 14:44:39 -
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I'm honest-to-God LMAO here.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to type on your keyboard and remove all doubt.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10195
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Posted - 2015.03.17 14:45:27 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:To me EVE is like a Strip Club ....(Side note, why can't I go into a night club and just stuff a dollar into someone obviously exposed undergarments to strike up a conversation? Most girls I saw in night clubs had on only marginally more clothes than strippers ) EVE is simply what many (not all ) people would be if they were in fact spaceship flying Demi-Gods. Uh HUH...right... I don't think the majority of people in civilized society would agree with the significance of this "take" in characterizing a venue where junior is being enticed to attend. You may like it, but the world isn't beating a path to the door of strip clubs to see some T&A (especially those who ... I'll leave it at "don't NEED to"). Though, I appreciate you saying this as it might give the management some insight into EVE's reputation. EVE certainly has a reputation and it's not one responsible parents would wish to see attached to their children. I mention this because responsible parents tend to pay their credit card bills, where those who want to stuff money in people's underwear tend to PLEX, which as fun as it may be, doesn't pay the bills. (And, who said grinding for PLEX is fun?) There's not a lot you can do about this if you insist upon making EVE the first-name in perverse on-line behavior. It will definitely cut down on the traffic. I myself don't tell people I play this game, as I still want them to welcome me into their homes without fear of my disrespecting the sanctity of the hovel, walking out with the silverware, or diddling Sally Sue. Yeah, rather than continue to try to pry open this can of peas, it'd be better to just suggest the "baddy of gaming" idea isn't very good advertising unless you want the sort that don't pay their bills. After all, in a capitalist society those are the baddies, no?
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10196
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Posted - 2015.03.17 14:47:08 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:To me EVE is like a Strip Club where...I go and...just stuff a dollar into someone['s]
...undergarments to strike up a conversation. Why am I not surprised?
You're surprised that Adults do things? lol, aren't you the one who just posted in another thread about how puritanical and bible thumping Florida is?
I call Hypocrite.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1157
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Posted - 2015.03.17 14:51:35 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:[quote=Jenn aSide]I myself don't tell people I play this game, as I still want them to welcome me into their homes without fear of my disrespecting the sanctity of the hovel, walking out with the silverware, or diddling Sally Sue.
I told my boss I play Eve and showed him some of the better stories of a terrible horrible no good very bad things that people have done in the game's history. He gave me a raise and I'm pretty sure he subscribed.
I love my job.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10196
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Posted - 2015.03.17 14:56:14 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:
There's not a lot you can do about this if you insist upon making EVE the first-name in perverse on-line behavior. It will definitely cut down on the traffic. I myself don't tell people I play this game, as I still want them to welcome me into their homes without fear of my disrespecting the sanctity of the hovel, walking out with the silverware, or diddling Sally Sue.
But more seriously, WTF? You always post stuff like this.
If you don't like EVE online or the community it spawns, WHY are you HERE? More to the point, you do understand the EVERY time you pay your sub you are basically SUPPORTING what EVE is right?
What you are doing is literally like being a member of PETA who sends donations to slaughter houses so that they can continue to operate, |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
1044
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Posted - 2015.03.17 14:59:20 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Other than that, what you end up seeing isn't EVE's population, it's "core population vs casuals". Yea double whammy with an EN24 article AND it's Gevlon lol, but it's actually good work there. The "Core" population always logs in, it's the fair weather casuals coming and going that makes it seem like fewer people are playing (again, among other things like how CCP killed the need for alts with multiple character traning etc). And it's the core customers CCP has been neglecting for years, in favour of the WOW crowd.
If CCP listened to soley the core customers and did everything they wanted, this game would have been dead 3 years ago.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10196
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Posted - 2015.03.17 15:04:55 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Other than that, what you end up seeing isn't EVE's population, it's "core population vs casuals". Yea double whammy with an EN24 article AND it's Gevlon lol, but it's actually good work there. The "Core" population always logs in, it's the fair weather casuals coming and going that makes it seem like fewer people are playing (again, among other things like how CCP killed the need for alts with multiple character traning etc). And it's the core customers CCP has been neglecting for years, in favour of the WOW crowd. If CCP listened to soley the core customers and did everything they wanted, this game would have been dead 3 years ago.
EVE spends 10 years 'catering to core customers' and CCP touts growth for 10 years. EVE shifts gears and tries to "broaden it's appeal" and be "easy to learn, hard to master" and "improve the new player experience" by adding all manner of hand holding mechanics like safeties and friendly fire toggle switches and pop ups warning you to be sure to wipe your....exhaust ports..... before undocking.......
...And growth stops cold in it's tracks.
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
1845
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Posted - 2015.03.17 16:40:25 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Other than that, what you end up seeing isn't EVE's population, it's "core population vs casuals". Yea double whammy with an EN24 article AND it's Gevlon lol, but it's actually good work there. The "Core" population always logs in, it's the fair weather casuals coming and going that makes it seem like fewer people are playing (again, among other things like how CCP killed the need for alts with multiple character traning etc). And it's the core customers CCP has been neglecting for years, in favour of the WOW crowd. If CCP listened to soley the core customers and did everything they wanted, this game would have been dead 3 years ago. EVE spends 10 years 'catering to core customers' and CCP touts growth for 10 years. EVE shifts gears and tries to "broaden it's appeal" and be "easy to learn, hard to master" and "improve the new player experience" by adding all manner of hand holding mechanics like safeties and friendly fire toggle switches and pop ups warning you to be sure to wipe your....exhaust ports..... before undocking....... ...And growth stops cold in it's tracks.
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Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
201
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Posted - 2015.03.17 17:28:28 -
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Make it easier, turn the UI more clean, maybe with a console game appearance and controls, let the players start to do their own addons...
That is, for sure, a recipe for something. I don't know what, exactly and I will not be here to taste the product of it. I'm waiting for the "market expansion" where you will receive a warning telling you "Are you sure you want to put a regional buy order higher than the sell orders of the trading hub 2 jumps away on the other region?".
Only CCP can kill EVE, the question is: are they trying that hard? 
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Chewytowel Haklar
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2015.03.17 17:47:07 -
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Is this another EVE is dying thread?
I wouldn't worry about the sub numbers much as the upcoming Sov changes may very well bring in plenty of new players as well as older ones. Even if it doesn't I suppose most here don't want the entirety of the WoW population breaking down EVE's doors asking for in game selfie camera's and twitter functionality. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6454
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Posted - 2015.03.17 18:48:50 -
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A lot of people PLEX alt accounts - so the price of PLEX might also be a factor.
But the multiple skill que thing is also pretty big. I can see a lot of players who have alts that they never use in concurrence deciding to consolidate the characters on less accounts.
It's genius really. No more altaholism (which looks like a scam to new players when the 20 alt bittervet sits there and brags about how they have an alt for every little role) and less bandwidth usage and getting the same buck for delivering less bang. Somebody at CCP is really thinking.
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
613
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Posted - 2015.03.17 18:50:35 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:To me EVE is like a Strip Club where...I go and...just stuff a dollar into someone['s]
...undergarments to strike up a conversation. Why am I not surprised? You're surprised that Adults do things? lol, aren't you the one who just posted in another thread about how puritanical and bible thumping Florida is? I call Hypocrite. Actually, no I didn't. I call the "L" word here.
The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
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Vyl Vit
1102
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Posted - 2015.03.17 18:53:24 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:
There's not a lot you can do about this if you insist upon making EVE the first-name in perverse on-line behavior. It will definitely cut down on the traffic. I myself don't tell people I play this game, as I still want them to welcome me into their homes without fear of my disrespecting the sanctity of the hovel, walking out with the silverware, or diddling Sally Sue.
But more seriously, WTF? You always post stuff like this. If you don't like EVE online or the community it spawns, WHY are you HERE? More to the point, you do understand the EVERY time you pay your sub you are basically SUPPORTING what EVE is right? What you are doing is literally like being a member of PETA who sends donations to slaughter houses so that they can continue to operate, You? Serious? Please. Oh, you're to be taken seriously regardless of what you say? Oh. I see.
I want to say you have a knack for pointing out the obvious, but that'd be giving you too much credit for orientation.
However, I have to say you've been entertaining the short while you've been posting in GD. You take inanity to a whole new level.
Grats on that. Really.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10201
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Posted - 2015.03.17 18:59:16 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:
There's not a lot you can do about this if you insist upon making EVE the first-name in perverse on-line behavior. It will definitely cut down on the traffic. I myself don't tell people I play this game, as I still want them to welcome me into their homes without fear of my disrespecting the sanctity of the hovel, walking out with the silverware, or diddling Sally Sue.
But more seriously, WTF? You always post stuff like this. If you don't like EVE online or the community it spawns, WHY are you HERE? More to the point, you do understand the EVERY time you pay your sub you are basically SUPPORTING what EVE is right? What you are doing is literally like being a member of PETA who sends donations to slaughter houses so that they can continue to operate, You? Serious? Please. Oh, you're to be taken seriously regardless of what you say? Oh. I see. I want to say you have a knack for pointing out the obvious, but that'd be giving you too much credit for orientation. However, I have to say you've been entertaining the short while you've been posting in GD. You take inanity to a whole new level. Grats on that. Really.
This post says volumes about you. Not a word in reply to my question, you made it all about me. As is typical, not a single neuron was spent on examining your own thoughts or actions.
And short time posting in GD? You sir, must be new here.
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2Sonas1Cup
41
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Posted - 2015.03.17 20:19:09 -
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No isboxer no fun, no alts, no subscriptions, no money for CCP.
Useless capitals, useless cyno alts, no subscriptions, no money for CCP.
1+1=2
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Jallukola
44
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Posted - 2015.03.17 20:24:14 -
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Banning automated broadcasting alone doesen't explain the drop from nearly 60K down to barely 20K in merely 2 years. Or then it does, but I fail to see how changes to boxing policy alone drag the activity count that much.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
1543
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Posted - 2015.03.17 21:02:26 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:A lot of people PLEX alt accounts - so the price of PLEX might also be a factor.
But the multiple skill que thing is also pretty big. I can see a lot of players who have alts that they never use in concurrence deciding to consolidate the characters on less accounts.
It's genius really. No more altaholism (which looks like a scam to new players when the 20 alt bittervet sits there and brags about how they have an alt for every little role) and less bandwidth usage and getting the same buck for delivering less bang. Somebody at CCP is really thinking.
More actually. Multi-queue is more expensive per queue than getting additional accounts.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2253
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Posted - 2015.03.17 23:50:24 -
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Well what are the options in EvE?
1. Stay in high and do the most boring missions imaginable with a vanilla fit so you don't get suicided.
2. Go to low and get ganked, gank.
3. Go to null and join a huge coalition that's doing nothing but gank or run anoms or sit at gates twiddling fingers.
4. Go to a wormhole and be bored and occasionally gank or be ganked.
Ganking is low brow, it attracts the worst players to the game. Low numbers are probably a symptom of a sick game. EvE needs a total reboot. A reevaluation of whats the biggest pool of client prospects, is it griefers, scum and scammers or regular normal players.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2015.03.18 01:53:32 -
[36] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Ganking is low brow, it attracts the worst players to the game. Low numbers are probably a symptom of a sick game. EvE needs a total reboot. A reevaluation of whats the biggest pool of client prospects, is it griefers, scum and scammers or regular normal players.
Should have seen GTA V when they released the Online add-on patch. Everyone was shooting everyone blindly and without any reason. That's the main online gaming community and naturally they prefer less complex game play the type "hit da zombiz wid da shovel, then hit moar zombiz" to long term planning/strategy gameplay. There isn't much to re-evaluate I'm afraid. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1116
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Posted - 2015.03.18 02:41:16 -
[37] - Quote
Gimme Sake wrote: The are a ton more mmos available than 5 years ago. Also, as players are aging their priorities in life change and the new generation of players is in search for instant gratification while Eve requires at least long term commitment. Expanding on this:
We are getting older, burning out on the game more, finding other things to do with our lives.
Accounts may be active they are just being played less.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Antonia Iskarius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.03.18 02:42:26 -
[38] - Quote
I used to have up to a dozen accounts active at a time. I am down to this last one, which is still active because of the subscription plan I paid for. Why have I cut down so much?
Lets see... bubble immune interceptor spam, a deluge of ishtar fleets, continual nerfing of the supercapitals I've spent years training for and billions of isk for, a ****** new sov system, and CCP's continual refusal to listen to it's vets because they want to cater to risk-adverse newbs who want to be able to kill anything with t1 frigates and cruisers.
I'm tired of being shitted on and I know a lot of other now former players who feel the same.
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PhantomMajor
High Flyers
The Kadeshi
32
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Posted - 2015.03.18 04:35:57 -
[39] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:The longer timeline includes more large spikes and that jacks up the average.
Either that or we're all doomed. Plus all the banned ISBoxing.
Plus the purge on chinese isk farmers running back to back lvl 4 missions |
Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Exiled Tech
Space Monkey Protectorate
16
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Posted - 2015.03.18 05:05:26 -
[40] - Quote
Gregor Parud wrote:
And it's the core customers CCP has been neglecting for years, in favour of the WOW crowd.
In fact, "WOW crowd" gets nothing. It's wheel piwatz who's getting buffed, both by limiting drops and going down in size as general. |
Buggs
LazyBoyz Band of Recreational Flyers
Gentlemen's.Club
13
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Posted - 2015.03.18 07:16:39 -
[41] - Quote
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Gimme Sake wrote: The are a ton more mmos available than 5 years ago. Also, as players are aging their priorities in life change and the new generation of players is in search for instant gratification while Eve requires at least long term commitment. Expanding on this: We are getting older, burning out on the game more, finding other things to do with our lives. Accounts may be active they are just being played less.
I just came back to Eve few weeks ago after four year break and could not be happier. Joined Eve few days after they went live in 03. Went to FF in 06. Was present during one of the first station launches, Pirate war of 9uy, Downfall of Bob. plus others i have forgotten.
Five to seven years ago (perhaps more) it became stupid to use your main avatar for general fighting / roaming. The penalty became to much. Sure for the "big player" (Ceo or market wizard) it was no problem. But many of the players I would talk to back then were getting sick of the cost (in-game) just to play your main avatar. I had to switch to a less costly alt account, and even he was getting expensive at the time (87 mil sp on the alt).
There was no "plex" to buy, or option to skill alt at same time.
I do like the changes the have made so far. I also do not like few others.
ATM, I do not not like, what seems to be, little need for BS or cap ships. But I haven't read into it enough to make judgment.
This topic has been going on since inception, so I might reply again (to this same boring subject) ten years from now. Just know that CCP has a "rabbit up its sleeve", and best for them to save it. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
1321
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Posted - 2015.03.18 07:20:34 -
[42] - Quote
Some people dont have the same time like we used to. I used to be able to play EvE for 4-5 hours a day but now, Well with a job, house maintenance etc It's hard to find the time some days.
Why Can't I have a picture signature.
Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
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Flamespar
WarRavens
1301
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Posted - 2015.03.18 07:29:30 -
[43] - Quote
Player time is limited, and there are quite a few games vying for their attention.
I'm not currently playing EVE (12 month subscription) and have been enjoying Elite Dangerous for example.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3854
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Posted - 2015.03.18 07:50:29 -
[44] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Player time is limited, and there are quite a few games vying for their attention.
I'm not currently playing EVE (12 month subscription) and have been enjoying Elite Dangerous for example.
CCP haves (yet another) serious issue with the reward-for-time nature of many EVE mechanics. It means that many activities are not rewarding at all unless you spend a lot of time in a single stride, and that ability to spend several hours doing a single thing with undivided attention becomes a rarer commodity as people move on with their lives.
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger
Nulli Secunda
1749
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Posted - 2015.03.18 08:44:13 -
[45] - Quote
what we are probably seeing the effect that fixing eve for several years has on subsciption numbers
sov, structures and corporations are left
after that, it's time to make more jesus features
Build your empire !
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Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations
Nulli Secunda
243
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Posted - 2015.03.18 09:12:25 -
[46] - Quote
Gimme Sake wrote:
The are a ton more mmos available than 5 years ago. Also, as players are aging their priorities in life change and the new generation of players is in search for instant gratification while Eve requires at least long term commitment.
Nailed it.
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Irya Boone
Never Surrender.
448
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Posted - 2015.03.18 11:02:37 -
[47] - Quote
And don't forget Now you can pay one year and push as many skills ( 50) for more than year so no need to log to push skills
CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails
.... Open that damn door !!
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Flamespar
WarRavens
1301
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Posted - 2015.03.18 11:21:39 -
[48] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Flamespar wrote:Player time is limited, and there are quite a few games vying for their attention.
I'm not currently playing EVE (12 month subscription) and have been enjoying Elite Dangerous for example. CCP haves (yet another) serious issue with the reward-for-time nature of many EVE mechanics*. It means that many activities are not rewarding at all unless you spend a lot of time in a single stride, and that ability to spend several hours doing a single thing with undivided attention becomes a rarer commodity as people move on with their lives. *that includes player mechanics like "roaming for a good fight", not just obvious developer mechanics
Also for me personally, the last 12 months of tweaks and minor additions have done nothing to reinvigorate my interest in the game.
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
595
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Posted - 2015.03.18 11:23:56 -
[49] - Quote
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:Is this another EVE is dying thread?
Yeah, and not even a creative one at that. We should see one using subscription numbers instead of active players in a few days...
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3856
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Posted - 2015.03.18 13:51:08 -
[50] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Flamespar wrote:Player time is limited, and there are quite a few games vying for their attention.
I'm not currently playing EVE (12 month subscription) and have been enjoying Elite Dangerous for example. CCP haves (yet another) serious issue with the reward-for-time nature of many EVE mechanics*. It means that many activities are not rewarding at all unless you spend a lot of time in a single stride, and that ability to spend several hours doing a single thing with undivided attention becomes a rarer commodity as people move on with their lives. *that includes player mechanics like "roaming for a good fight", not just obvious developer mechanics Also for me personally, the last 12 months of tweaks and minor additions have done nothing to reinvigorate my interest in the game.
Heh, that sounds familiar. Rebalances of PvP ships I don't give a rat's ass of them, changes to mechanics I never used nor have the lesser interest in them, and meanwhile here I am... doing the same things i did in february 2009 when Ishtanchuk was born.
And I know that there will not be new clothing items with Scylla, and I know that then it will be very tough to justify waiting for the next release. I'm not planning yet to take another break, but the road is becoming uphill...
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Legion Masser
Rage-Machine
6
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Posted - 2015.03.18 15:33:34 -
[51] - Quote
Everyone, dont quit now, I just started playing  I subbed for a year so by the time that's up for resub Ill be 1 degree above completely useless So exciting!
I had tried Eve several times in the past and never got past the trial period. I really wish I did give it a better chance back then because once you dive it , though initially ice cold in its vastness, becomes warm n fuzzy in its depth. Once its depth becomes your ally and not your nemesis.
Eve is a very different game then what most new pilots / other MMO players are used to. Almost all other MMO's have a theme where the mechanics are universal, if ya played one, then ya have the foundation required to master all of them. Not only does Eve have a completely different foundation then what most are used to in the MMO community, its foundations are MASSIVE compared to your average fantasy MMO. Regardless of what proud hardcore Eve vets say, it really is hard to learn when its unlike anything most have ever played before but easy to look back in retrospect and say It was simple.
Bad press from some recent events also doesn't help CCP at all regarding new folks wanting to take the plunge. Many here may think its old news but everyone outside of Eve who didn't experience it within its community still talk about it. I was the leader of a very Large guild in many other MMO's and whenever I mentioned Eve, many members who never even played could recite all the negative things that they heard and none of the positive. That's not good lol
I agree there are more MMO's out on the market today but that also means there are more horrible cash grabbing MMO's going to F2P and otherwise dying a mere 1/2yr after their inception. That is actually what drove me here and many others will come too. I was tired of going through multiple MMO's just to watch them die after investing so much time into them, then rinse n repeat yearly with the newest skin released . I wanted something that had proven it was here to stay and Eve is here to stay, that im sure of.
Ive got experience watching MMO's die, the number one indication is check the "starter" zones for minnows. No minnows , the lake will die. Well I just left rookie chat about 2 months ago and there was almost always over a 1000 - 1300 people asking questions, that is still a good minnow count
Some may quit and say "Eve isn't for me" but I really do think EVE is really a game for everyone, they just aren't ready for it yet .
It's CCP's job to reach them when they are.
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2015.03.18 16:14:47 -
[52] - Quote
Needs.... Walking in Stations with casinos, bars & stripclubs. Or bust.  |
Leannor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2015.03.18 16:17:52 -
[53] - Quote
For me ... I used to play all three accounts at the same time, reliably almost 6 hours every weekday, and 3-4 times that on weekends.
Now, I'm playing far less, and usually only one account at a time. Why? Personally I feel retired, and just hooked to the game. I tick over now, rather than running the marathon I used to.
There will be a tonne of variety of reasons habits change.
Also for me, TV quality is so much better now and that soaks up my time, as well as smart phones take up alot of time too - which I didn't have back in the day.
Many many reasons people change.
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TOUCHING
ICONIC
SHIP
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Chewytowel Haklar
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
102
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Posted - 2015.03.18 21:47:44 -
[54] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Well what are the options in EvE?
1. Stay in high and do the most boring missions imaginable with a vanilla fit so you don't get suicided.
2. Go to low and get ganked, gank.
3. Go to null and join a huge coalition that's doing nothing but gank or run anoms or sit at gates twiddling fingers.
4. Go to a wormhole and be bored and occasionally gank or be ganked.
Ganking is low brow, it attracts the worst players to the game. Low numbers are probably a symptom of a sick game. EvE needs a total reboot. A reevaluation of whats the biggest pool of client prospects, is it griefers, scum and scammers or regular normal players.
Perhaps it needs to revisit its really bad PVE missions at least and work on improving them as well as taking into account player feedback. I personally don't mind risk at all in EVE, and think also that it adds a fun element to the game, but when that risk seems nearly pointless it becomes pointless.
I suppose there are always looking for rare ships in losec or in nullsec and hoping to get some nice bpc drops as well. There is ratting as well and that can be lucrative, but frankly I think CCP can spruce it up and manage to make some things considerably better and rebuild those aspects of the PVE game that are pretty old, broken, or just don't work with the newer version of the game. |
Flamespar
WarRavens
1302
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Posted - 2015.03.18 22:09:13 -
[55] - Quote
I don't think EVE is dying, I just don't think it's terribly interesting at the moment.
The structure rework may rekindle my interest, ideally I'm hoping for something modular, highly customisable, with interiors. I want my home in space. But It will almost certainly not happen.
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
184
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Posted - 2015.03.18 22:52:43 -
[56] - Quote
im going to just speak honestly about it.. eve online is old and despite the fact there as been several reasons as to why she can not fill her huge empty space
1) Griefers........ yeah way to promote a game "be the bad guy" or ruin someone elses fun or.. spend major cash/isk just to get it ganked for the lulz
2) Terrible trolling of new players........ yep that's a huge one there oh sure sign right up to play eve online fly a super expensive ship cause it looks awesome or get an expensive deadspace mod cause well it seems powerful.. just to eventually get ganked and get your characters information and loss/KM posted on several 3rd party websites and perhaps even an ALOD article about the mistake you made.. <<<< yep sure that kind of behavior will make sure we'll hit 1-10million subs
3) Countless stories on other sites about the trolling/griefing going on in this game.. then you throw in scams, theft, mult-boxing, AFK cloaking and much more.....and folks didn't think this would cause low sub numbers?? lol.. they're living in a bubble
4) Attempted force to play "someone elses" way, not allowing the player to choose what they want to do, endless debates on why null sec needs more players, low sec needs more players, wormholes needs more players.. meanwhile tru-sec is empty..
5) the logic of .. "we don't need 1million subs in this game".. yep ok great selling point.. so now the actual numbers are incredibly hidden that its beginning to feel like a mega-nerd reunion.
6) Although the difficulty in eve online is very high, the time it takes to grow your character in real time stinks beyond I don't know what... folks are selling their toons for petes sake.. I have never heard of this before "buy a toon that already has the skills for a shortcut".. sure but that still doesn't make you attached to the game cause you didn't invest a major ton of time grinding the game.. its a cheap pay to win set up.. so of course new bro's may do it.. but will they stick around and play and pay longer when their toon gets nerf'd but the ccp nerfbat..
7) Nerfs.....oh yeah the "im unsubbing" threats are numerous then they eventually come back.. even ccp balks at the threats now.. of course unless its a major number.. then they'll post pretty charts and pies saying look what the data shows...
8) Elitism...this is in every mmo.. sometimes to the point it helps single player games look even better to play cause you don't have to hear some ego-centric player telling you something.
9) Eve Online unless they get their heads out of their behinds will NOT be able to keep up or maintain even decent subs when the competition comes their way.. they know this, they cant admit it of course, but its true.. VR-gimmicks never last long.. anyone remember Nintendo's attempt at it?? Valkerie can fail but I betcha atleast the CGI cutscenes will look good while its failing..
10) eve onlines community are to blame for her low numbers, many are in denial about it, you have way too many trolls and griefers running around, you have dev's that protect them, you have broken mechanics that is taking them forever to fix (remember they love to debate something while debating something just to debate something else then pretend there is nothing to debate cause well.. everyone wanted new cloaking animations that was a high priority).
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2674
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Posted - 2015.03.18 23:08:15 -
[57] - Quote
Agondray wrote:[quote=Jenn aSide]
Also eve needs to stop all of the ads about "come play eve, be the bad guy" Not everyone likes being the bad guy but the game is infested with them. I watch brand new pilots that just get their venture get ganked because they are mining, HTF is that a good way to retain subs when people are blowing up or scamming legitimate new pilots? (and im not talking about peoples alts here)
um sorry but I'm the hero of this spaceship story not a bad guy at all. Your mining lasers are killing entire populations of unique microorganisms that live inside the asteroids of space to fuel your bloodthirsty greed, and I'm saving them.
basically think of me as captain space planet. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2674
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Posted - 2015.03.18 23:10:57 -
[58] - Quote
Also I don't think you idiots realize what a niche product Eve is. It is legitimately a "Bad Game" and if the inherent edgelord piratey/space game of thrones crap wasn't in the game and this suddenly became a theme-park MMO it would be the absolute worst one and would be free to play then canceled within a year.
Look at the sub numbers after any great tale of treachery/murder reaches the MSM. They go through the roof. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
3858
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Posted - 2015.03.18 23:20:18 -
[59] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:I don't think EVE is dying, I just don't think it's terribly interesting at the moment.
The structure rework may rekindle my interest, ideally I'm hoping for something modular, highly customisable, with interiors. I want my home in space. But It will almost certainly not happen.
As soon as you ask for a home in space, someone will ask for the abbilty to raze it to dust because of "balance" and "risk vs reward". And you know CCP will listen to those because, well, it's CCP.
So what should CCP do?
In order to be competitive, a space home must be exactly as safe as a station. For good sense, limit it to one per player but movable with restrictions. Also make the system clean up and store them when not visited for a period of time -say six months.
Add a hefty price tag, but not one unreachable for the average veteran -say two or three PLEXes for the core, and fractions of Plex (or AUR) for customization.
Then add interiors and a nice large window to look at the scenery from your couch. Make sure that the couch looks outward (it's CCP after all...).
Then allow me to invite my friends so they can see the decor and appreciate my pretty figure wrapped in my fancy dress collection.
Make it pure vanity for space Barbies.
But oh, CCP. I almost forgot the most important thing of all.
Forget that you are CCP and get space housing right for a change.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2261
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Posted - 2015.03.18 23:27:04 -
[60] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Also I don't think you idiots realize what a niche product Eve is. It is legitimately a "Bad Game" and if the inherent edgelord piratey/space game of thrones crap wasn't in the game and this suddenly became a theme-park MMO it would be the absolute worst one and would be free to play then canceled within a year.
Look at the sub numbers after any great tale of treachery/murder reaches the MSM. They go through the roof.
EvE is a business. If CCP had the choice to get rid of all the skinny pale nerds that take out their angst against the world here in EvE with rude, trolling and abusive behavior in exchange for double or triple the number in decent human beings they'd' do so instantly. At the end of the day they're in this to make money.
I agree with you on one point, EvE is supposed to be a bad game, its supposed to be ruthless, cruel and dangerous however over the years that in game behavior has transformed into out of game behavior which is unacceptable to the average gamer.
In the early days we had characters like Tank CEO, who were ruthless, cruel and dangerous but they didn't cross the line into harassment, abuse and hate on the forums, on TS, didn't suggest people killed themselves, didn't follow people around for months trying to get them to quit the game.
When things got out of hand due to patch creep, such as the ability to insta-gib a ship in high sec, they game was changed to prevent that from happening.
You're basically a newb so you don't know what EvE was like when it was popular. I do and so I know you're incorrect.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
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Noriko Mai
2099
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Posted - 2015.03.18 23:33:25 -
[61] - Quote
Is it even the same data set? Longer periods may not use as many data points as short ones and therefor "eleminate" very low periods like downtime. Only Chribba can tell.
"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
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Flamespar
WarRavens
1302
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Posted - 2015.03.18 23:35:53 -
[62] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
As soon as you ask for a home in space, someone will ask for the abbilty to raze it to dust because of "balance" and "risk vs reward". And you know CCP will listen to those because, well, it's CCP.
Forget that you are CCP and get space housing right for a change.
I actually don't mind the possibility that other people could mess with our player structures in some way, as long as I can respond to the threat in some manner. By setting up a defensive weapons system for example, or by leaving the 'door' open and hiding behind it with a gun.
Obviously just what players can to each other would depend (as it already does) on the systems security level.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
14116
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Posted - 2015.03.19 05:20:00 -
[63] - Quote
Noriko Mai wrote:Is it even the same data set? Longer periods may not use as many data points as short ones and therefor "eleminate" very low periods like downtime. Only Chribba can tell.
Any graph (in the new version) should use all datapoints available in that period. So that includes downtimes, outages, that has been recorded, so if I am missing a datapoint for timestamp X it would not affect the graph - unless of course I've missed a whole period of time with actual top numbers or a period of downtime.
/c
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2015.03.19 05:26:12 -
[64] - Quote
Afraid, I'll have to agree with Milla Goodpussy (is that a bought character? Did you "roleplay" the name into a griefing-ganking-scamming troll to avoid said things yourself?  ) on practically all points. |
Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
331
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Posted - 2015.03.19 06:28:08 -
[65] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:In my playing experience, living in wormholes, I subjectively feel that I encounter more other players than two or three years ago, or at least as many. When I travel in hisec and go to Jita, numbers also seem on a stable, robust level.
News I hear from other areas of space also don't sound so bad: Low sec, which was for many years a barren wasteland, is bustling with activity. Nullsec may be a little stagnant, but I also haven't heard of any catastrophic drop in activity.
But if you look at the hard numbers of logged-in characters from eve-offline.net, they look quite sobering. And I'm not talking peak numbers here, but the 'period average':
Last 36 hours: 22k
Last week: 24k
2 weeks: 25k
1 month: 25k
3 months: 30k
6 month: 36k
1 year: 39k
5 years: 49k
All: 37k
That's a drop of more than 50% from the 5-year average. That is huge.
I think that objectively, EVE is a better game than ever. The new people in charge and the new release cycle have finally made EVE a professionally developed product. When I started playing, it still seemed like it was made by some dudes in a garage. Patches needed sometimes a day to deploy and broke half of the game. Frequent downtimes because of database corruption and so on. These things are mostly in the past now.
So, any theories why the numbers have dropped so drastically? War on botting? Fewer alts used? Less afk'ing?
A lot of things. CCP used to boldly proclaim that they were expanding the game beyond what is currently in it. WiS/Interior Exploration content was going to be a huge thing, Dust content was going to be a huge thing. There were going to be more and more ways to get immersed in the universe even if the spaceship thing wasn't for you.
CCP hit a few roadbumps, made some screwups and adopted a once burned, twice shy mentality. Just about everything innovative was cancelled or permanently set on the back burner (which means cancelled).
Valkyrie will be cancelled because it has no tie-ins to EVE, works with a device that will have a low adoption rate, and there are better games that do what Valkyrie does. It has no special gimmick that can save it.
Dust is on life support and its days are numbered, refusal to port to PS4 will ensure it is shut down. Legion is vaporware and would never work even if it was released. Hackers in a free to play persistent shooter would ensure nobody could ever take it seriously, especially with how bad CCP is at policing their existing games.
WiS is pretty much permanently dead. The ignorant community saw to that.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3860
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Posted - 2015.03.19 07:44:26 -
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Flamespar wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
As soon as you ask for a home in space, someone will ask for the abbilty to raze it to dust because of "balance" and "risk vs reward". And you know CCP will listen to those because, well, it's CCP.
Forget that you are CCP and get space housing right for a change.
I actually don't mind the possibility that other people could mess with our player structures in some way, as long as I can respond to the threat in some manner. By setting up a defensive weapons system for example, or by leaving the 'door' open and hiding behind it with a gun. Obviously just what players can to each other would depend (as it already does) on the systems security level.
If players can mess with it, then better it makes something useful for the owner. But then we'd call it a POS, would fit industrial facilties in it and we would exactly where we are now, but maybe with a prettier interface.
The point of space homing is to be useless thus invulnerable.
Anyway nothing like that is in the Rubicon roadmap, which shall we remember, consists of more zero security space with more zero security rewards to bother with in case you're interested in zero security space at all. From a ingame demographics sense, appealing to 20% nullseccers + 5% wormholers doesn't looks like a bright idea, but by denying content to highseccers the demographics can effectively change until those guys are in the majority and half of CCP gets the pink slip.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
16165
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Posted - 2015.03.19 08:16:38 -
[67] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Flamespar wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
As soon as you ask for a home in space, someone will ask for the abbilty to raze it to dust because of "balance" and "risk vs reward". And you know CCP will listen to those because, well, it's CCP.
Forget that you are CCP and get space housing right for a change.
I actually don't mind the possibility that other people could mess with our player structures in some way, as long as I can respond to the threat in some manner. By setting up a defensive weapons system for example, or by leaving the 'door' open and hiding behind it with a gun. Obviously just what players can to each other would depend (as it already does) on the systems security level. If players can mess with it, then better it makes something useful for the owner. But then we'd call it a POS, would fit industrial facilties in it and we would exactly where we are now, but maybe with a prettier interface. The point of space homing is to be useless thus invulnerable. Anyway nothing like that is in the Rubicon roadmap, which shall we remember, consists of more zero security space with more zero security rewards to bother with in case you're interested in zero security space at all. From a ingame demographics sense, appealing to 20% nullseccers + 5% wormholers doesn't looks like a bright idea, but by denying content to highseccers the demographics can effectively change until those guys are in the majority and half of CCP gets the pink slip.
Look, I get that you're salty because 0.0 is, finally, after 5 god damb years, finally getting some dev attention, but empire space has been rammed with content recently.
It's just that you'll have to actually undock to experience it.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
704
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:52:28 -
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Funny how despite the fact that I wrote that, the lower numbers notwithstanding, EVE feels as healthy and active as ever (see thread title), so many people use this thread to bemoan the dying of EVE or even demand its conversion into a theme park MMO, call for banning of griefing and non-consensual pvp or say similar despicable nonsense.
My point was that the bad (or bad-looking) numbers surprise me exactly because EVE doesn't feel as if there is a problem.
For my part, I'm quite satisfied with the possible explanation from Jenn aSide in post #5.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10262
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Posted - 2015.03.20 18:14:18 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Funny how despite the fact that I wrote that, the lower numbers notwithstanding, EVE feels as healthy and active as ever (see thread title), so many people use this thread to bemoan the dying of EVE or even demand its conversion into a theme park MMO, call for banning of griefing and non-consensual pvp or say similar despicable nonsense.
My point was that the bad (or bad-looking) numbers surprise me exactly because EVE doesn't feel as if there is a problem.
For my part, I'm quite satisfied with the possible explanation from Jenn aSide in post #5.
If you look at the graphs CCP are putting up at fan fest and in the DEV blogs describing the 1st phase of the null changes, you see things like more ships doing more damage and more jumps in null and low and more wormholes being used and so on. EVE feels healthy because it is more healthy.
Unrealistic people who don't like EVE as it is or has been and who always demand 'more' and 'change' will never be happy with anything (though they think 'change' can make them happy, but they soon get bored of the changes and want more change, because that's how they are wired). Knowing that I don't worry to much about them
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Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
598
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Posted - 2015.03.20 18:45:14 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Unrealistic people who don't like EVE as it is or has been and who always demand 'more' and 'change' will never be happy with anything (though they think 'change' can make them happy, but they soon get bored of the changes and want more change, because that's how they are wired). Knowing that I don't worry to much about them
I guess Jenny's chain of thought got derailed... |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10262
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Posted - 2015.03.20 18:49:14 -
[71] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Unrealistic people who don't like EVE as it is or has been and who always demand 'more' and 'change' will never be happy with anything (though they think 'change' can make them happy, but they soon get bored of the changes and want more change, because that's how they are wired). Knowing that I don't worry to much about them
I guess Jenny's chain of thought got derailed...
Erm, no, maybe you didn't read the post I was replying to. The above is at the heart of the "EVE is Dying" segment of our virtual society, most of them want EVE to be some kind of themepark (because thempark games, where DEVs are constantly adding consumable 'content' are tailor made of people who like change for the sake of change) and they think telling CCP that EVE is dying will get CCP to change course.
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Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
598
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Posted - 2015.03.20 19:01:00 -
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It seemed your last sentence you wrote, "Knowing that I don't worry to much about them" was going to have a conclusion statement attached that might have got snipped before posting.
"Knowing that I don't worry too much about them, their attempts at belittling the game won't change it from its current form."
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"I know I don't worry too much about them and their theme park ideas."
And so on - just appeared ~lost~ upon initial reading. |
Serene Repose
2430
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:12:53 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:This post says volumes about you. Not a word in reply to my question, you made it all about me. As is typical, not a single neuron was spent on examining your own thoughts or actions.
And short time posting in GD? You sir, must be new here.
Vyl isn't new here. Compare you and him, you are the newcomer. I'm not surprised you're oblivious of that fact. By the way, you don't burn neurons like fuel when you think. ROFL "not a ... neuron was spent....examining...." ROFL
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to type on your keyboard and remove all doubt.
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Vyl Vit
1119
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:14:05 -
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Who's made this thread about whom? 
Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
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Seven Koskanaiken
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
1443
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Posted - 2015.03.20 22:35:30 -
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A year ago The Mittani stabbed N3 is the heart until it died and now they all play FFXIV. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1132
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Posted - 2015.03.21 01:49:00 -
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Buggs wrote: Just know that CCP has a "rabbit up its sleeve weasel in their pants", and best for them to save it. Fixed.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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