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Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.10.18 01:33:00 - [61] How about trying to find out WHAT exactly is the problem first, the EVE client itself, your hardware, or some random piece of software on your machine ? First off, you say the "drop" only happends in ONE of the clients. This makes me suspect the EVE client, but I wouldn't be too hasty yet. One of the first things to do is get this: http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.html It should help locate CPU/memory "drains" (if any). Fire up the Process Explorer. Start playing EVE. Look around in P.E. how things are supposed to look like "when all is fine". Wait for the FPS drop to happend, look again in P.E. at each module's CPU/memory usage. See if you notice anything significantly different (very high or very low compared to previous). Then you would have narrowed down the choices A LOT. If nothing seems out of the ordinary right now, proceed to next step. Reboot. Set buffersize in prefs.ini to half of system memory. Enter the game and ENABLE everything (all generic effects, all turret effects, sun occluded by ships, trails, etc), set all details/color depths to maximum (even the multisample detail), set multisample interval to 0, enable sound and don't let anything at 0.0 volume.... set to WINDOWED mode at whatever resolution is directly below desktop resolution... then logoff, reboot, re-log-on... CTRL-F on, and set out for a LONG ride. Repeat the same Process Explorer routine this time too. Before actually undocking, and after the FPS drop occured too. Do the same for temperatures. Still nothing significantly different ? __ Always question everything. Including yourself.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.18 01:59:00 - [62] Edited by: Cipher7 on 18/10/2006 02:00:21 Originally by: Khatred The problem is that I let my character do a 25 jumps trip in windowed mode, went to watch TV, the Eve was main process and selected as such. When I came back, fps = 6-7 I'd hate it if I have to run Eve full mode. That's prolly it right there. Try running in full mode. Make sure your game and desktop resolution are the same. Make sure your game and desktop refresh rate are the same. Don't touch the program priority settings in task manager.
Starblizz Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.18 02:03:00 - [63] Edited by: Starblizz on 18/10/2006 02:04:32 i love how people are suggesting everything under the sun to fix this problem. let me guess Khatred, you are travelling though empire; funnly enough i get this problem as well. i live in 0.0 so it isn't really an issue for me, but when i do end up flying large distances though empire with ap going i lose about half my fps per jump. however i don't get that the problem in 0.0, i wonder why? i am willing to guess that it has something to do with the npc gate camps at each gate (concord, empire factions and so on). maybe a memory leak as a result, although i don't see any massive memory useage while this is happening. without knowing any deatils on how the eve client caches ships i can only speculate as to why this is happening. my computer's specs are as follows: CPU: AMD Athlon 2500+ @ 3200+ speeds (don't even try and tell me to set it back to defult clock speeds :P ) Motherbord: nForce 2 based RAM: 1 GB Corsair RAM Video: ATI x800XT HDD: 2x 200GB Westen Digital SATA RAID 0 array, using onbord RAID controller Oh and it's not heat problems so people stop suggesting it, i know this for a fact and i have enough bits of paper to say i know this. EDIT: I also run eve in window mode, but only one client at a time.
Brick0Joe Hybrid Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.18 02:05:00 - [64] well just my 2 cents make sure you clean your PC and have enough of the heat tranfer goo on your heatsink! hope it helps.
Khatred OMG I can post in the CAOD section now	Posted - 2006.10.18 02:08:00 - [65] Ok, so far I can only say that changing the buffersize in prefs.ini didn't do it for me. For the rest, I'll keep trying, one at a time (or more if the advice came with a package of tips ). Being that this drop occurs totaly random in relation with number of jumps made and I can't reproduce it, this will take a while. But, I will try everything nevertheless, until I hopefuly get it fixed. And when it will get fixed and I'll look back and see what it was, you will get your deserved isk. _______________________________________________ CondorKestrelMerlinGriffinHeronBantamAtronImicusIncursusMaulusNavitasTristanBreacherBurstProbe \o/ I got Eve content in my sig.
Khatred OMG I can post in the CAOD section now	Posted - 2006.10.18 02:22:00 - [66] I also believe that heat is the least possible problem in this case. The AMD system is 5 months old (so prior to Dragon) used to run 4 Eve's without hic-ups, (again, prior to Dragon). It is running maybe a bit over normal but nothing close to causing problems (I assembled computers for 2 years ) but I didn't have time to set a good airflow within the case (if I keep it open it runs quite cool but I do have the same problems). Also a heated system will usualy not fps lag after 3 jumps, close Eve, start Eve and run normal for hours My suspicion (as some already wrote here) is that sometimes when I jump, something goes terribly wrong. And probably because one of my settings or one piece of my hardware decides to glitch just then. _______________________________________________ CondorKestrelMerlinGriffinHeronBantamAtronImicusIncursusMaulusNavitasTristanBreacherBurstProbe \o/ I got Eve content in my sig.
Brick0Joe Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.18 02:56:00 - [67] My suspicion (as some already wrote here) is that sometimes when I jump, something goes terribly wrong. And probably because one of my settings or one piece of my hardware decides to glitch just then. well im new to it, if you cant tell already. do you have directX 9B? i think that is the one that eve is supposed to run on. you may also wish to try to reseat the ram. it is always somthing simple so look at your connections and make sure its clean. also try to enter a bug report and see if CCP has heard of other people getting a simmilar error with Nvida users. i have ATI and it seems ok even though the car itself is crap. crap meaning its an allinwonder. also clear your PC of spyware ex. i have had that do some silly things to my PC before. other then that i have nothing, i hope you get back in the game soon and that you didnt lose any training time. best of luck mate
mechtech	Posted - 2006.10.18 03:17:00 - [68] Try this driver! http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_downloads_winxp_2k_78.05.html This is an old driver, but the 6600gt is an old card. This is seen as the most compatible driver for the 6600, and many people have fixed issues with this certain card with this. Make sure you fully get rid of the old driver before installing this.
Illuminaty ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.18 04:10:00 - [69] Khatred, I'm going to give you a list of steps you should take with every computer you ever own. Many computers are 'slightly' damaged, and often produce problems that only occur under very specific circumstances as a result. If your finding issues that users of the same hardware are not reporting across the board, do an exhaustive check of your hardware. 1) Clean out your case with some compressed air. Just do it. 2) Run Memtest86. This will tell you if your ram is bad. The bootstrap test is not an exhaustive test. This test will tell you for a fact if your ram is damaged or not. 3) Run Prime95 for 24 to 48 hours straight. If you get even one single error, your CPU/motherboard is damaged or running too hot even at stock speeds. 4) Run some other tests just to make sure. 5) Get some utilities to check the temp of your video card while it is running. Although, your not describing a hot video card in your symptoms, but its something you should do anyways. 6) Install a firewall, and in general just don't open anything you downloaded as a super-user. Thats the best advice I can give. Might not solve it, but solves 95% of the 'its only me' issues with a computer.
zaltzalt	Posted - 2006.10.18 04:15:00 - [70] 1) Buy a new computer Now Give me the isk
Skraelingz Gallente Gallente Federal Bank Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.18 04:38:00 - [71] Edited by: Skraelingz on 18/10/2006 04:40:38 is your graphics card and or system overheating? nvidia drivers should have given you a temp for your card you can also go and download riva tuner and have it log your card temps. then after playing a while and you get the slowdown check your cards temp. is your system really dusty? cpu heatsink clogged? graphics card heatsink clogged? is there enough air movement through the system? there enough/any goo on the cpu heatsink bottom? -----------------------------------------------
Hennry Fromer Gallente radiated space gerbils	Posted - 2006.10.18 05:27:00 - [72] If you do not need it for other reasons uninstall .net framework.
Quin Tal Fort Knox Inc Expeto Libertas Foedus	Posted - 2006.10.18 05:40:00 - [73] To be honest if its not the ram, I would look at perhaps the motherboard. Your CPU is fine, looking up some issues with that Asus board now. You may want to try flashing your bios, even though you have the most recent mobo drivers, flashing the bios may help with that board. The fact is it happens totally randomly, so thats even more of a **** off to diagnose.
Adam C 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.18 06:05:00 - [74] I feel your pain: I get eve client freeze (not a single fkin fps, I cant even minimize it -the only thing i can do is end task) Hopefully today i will logserver it (its that frequent!) I've already created new petition w/minidump (Preys that tells'em something) My 2cents There are 1001 ways to change software and hope for the best There are 101 ways to change hardware Its a hard road but i would swap out hardware. (Thats why i brought a motherboard w/ onboard sound/video incase anything wierd happens -it also helps to have a brother I pass on all my old hardware too, so I can always switch out if needs be) Goodluck
XflygoldX Ceryshen Interglobal Technologies Vanu Space Command	Posted - 2006.10.18 06:14:00 - [75] wow, lots and lots of suggestions here and they're all good ones. Only a few I noticed missing. Back when I was running 6k series geforce cards i had to reinstall the directx drivers every time I instaled the graphics driver again. One other little thing I did not see mentioned which has caused me strange problems in eve is the stupid log chat to file. Especially on multiple clients I have seen this cause some odd lag. 2 simple things. I'm sure you've either tried, thought about or may even have been mentioned in this thread already but can't hurt to try i suppose. Blah. "The most intelligent ideas take form while you are not there" by; Blah
Omniscient Fury	Posted - 2006.10.18 06:27:00 - [76] Edited by: Omniscient Fury on 18/10/2006 06:33:27 Edited by: Omniscient Fury on 18/10/2006 06:28:32 Set EVEs priority to high. Fixes it for me. Task Manager > exefile.exe > priorty > high/realtime/whatever. High usually works for me, and its usually if I'm doing anything at all in the background (even Explorer sometimes.)
SharkyPvD Caldari Synaptic Network II	Posted - 2006.10.18 06:30:00 - [77] I own a Dell pc and i have trouble with all kinds of hardware when i install Windows XP with SP2. What did it for me was first install Windows XP with SP1 install all the drivers and then upgrade to SP2. Maybe this will do it for you to?
Spenz Gallente Empire POS Experiment	Posted - 2006.10.18 07:08:00 - [78] Sounds like your graphics settings. Happens with me if I am running with multisampling enabled. Sucks big time. Turn it off. If it is already off, try fiddling around with the depth on both color and the buffer. Worked for me.
Hectaire Glade Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.18 07:28:00 - [79] Originally by: Khatred Audio: Realtek on-board (however I never play Eve with sound) Do you have the in-game sound options switched off, or do you just have the volume down? Try something for me, put all the sound options back on in the game and keep your speakers off for a while and see if that solves the problem. Stacked DX programs most often go wrong on sound handling, I used to get something very similar to the problem you are describing in another game and it turned out to be a sound driver issue, oddly enough.
Achura Monk	Posted - 2006.10.18 07:30:00 - [80] I was just wonder, because you said it happened after a random number of jumps and you've not been able to reproduce it: Could it be that you have some application/process starting on the background that eats your system resources after a certain period of time? Or it could be there's a virus/etc executing, so to clear this out - make sure you have checked your system for possible infections to clear this problem out of the picture. There's a lot of things allready meantioned on this thread that might be causing your problem, but I'll give you a few more to check if you run out of things to check: Windows autoupdate causing 100% cpu usage? How to read the windowsupdate.log file Some have fixed this by manually updating via Windows Update website, some by disabling automatic updates completely. Some people have had the "DNS Client" service acting out, if it's eating your resources, see if things improve by disabling it. Which version of the mb drivers are you installing?
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.18 07:32:00 - [81] if nothing else works - maybe turn of chat and game logging. If you are doing multiple jumps through heavy traffic sytems, this can slow you down a lot. GL, Oz ---------------------- [FTEK] Pwning Eve Carebear Style
Kerosene Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.18 07:36:00 - [82] If it's happening while you're afk from your keyboard it could be something that triggers after a while of inactivity on your pc. I had the same problem. Turned out it was Yahoo Desktop Search kicking off. __ Originally by: Blacklight on BoB Just to be sure everyone is clear... We use spies. We listen to your TS. We feed you false intel. We have no qualms about it whatsoever..
Terminus Shade Gallente Purgatorial Janitors Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.18 07:50:00 - [83] Edited by: Terminus Shade on 18/10/2006 07:51:04 Edited by: Terminus Shade on 18/10/2006 07:50:19 I have this problem everytime I return from deadspace ares where there are "nebulas" or gas clouds, and I figured out that because of overclocked video card with no additional cooldown, it could happen. Try underclocking your video card just a little, with specialized software or direct hardware modification. OR get additional cooldown for your computer. It's running pretty damn hot. OR use older drivers if you have updated your drivers before the problem started occurring. -----------------------
Tissa Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.18 07:53:00 - [84] I recently went from lagging out every jump to being the only one who dosent. (I know I am repeating what people have said with most of this) 1. Turn off sun is occluded in the esc menu 2. Set vm at half my ram for both min and max. 3. Turned off all effects and turrets Ctrl/Alt/Shift T and E 4. Went to task manager and set eve priority as high. My views do not represent those of my corp or alliance. (Joined UKC 19/09/06)
Steven Dynahir Gallente Avaruuslaivanrakentajat Oyj	Posted - 2006.10.18 08:10:00 - [85] Underclock your GFX card, both processor & memory. 10-15% should be enought. --- Sell orders Recruitment
JimOndi	Posted - 2006.10.18 08:17:00 - [86] Go to Bios, set your AGP bus speed from AUTO/8X to 4x. Worked for me when anything else failed.
VCBee 909	Posted - 2006.10.18 08:21:00 - [87] I think I may have experienced this too a few times. When travelling some 30-40 jumps with a big gang through empire, the client progressively starts freezing up bit by bit such that eventually you get almost constant 200 ms freezes every second or so. My system is Windows Vista 5728 with ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 on Pentium-M.
Omniscient Fury	Posted - 2006.10.18 08:31:00 - [88] Originally by: Tissa I recently went from lagging out every jump to being the only one who dosent. (I know I am repeating what people have said with most of this) 1. Turn off sun is occluded in the esc menu 2. Set vm at half my ram for both min and max. 3. Turned off all effects and turrets Ctrl/Alt/Shift T and E 4. Went to task manager and set eve priority as high. Number 4 as I said a few posts up fixed it for me, I believe it's in relation to how Windows handles allocation of resources to idle/non-idle programs etc.
Thommy	Posted - 2006.10.18 09:17:00 - [89] Edited by: Thommy on 18/10/2006 09:22:42 Audio based problems (known issues with eve sound). Simple solution if you do not need your audio at all or just want to make sure it isn't messing up your computer go to your bios and completely disable the on-board audio card. Flashing your hardware Sometimes problems can also occur because of outdated / malunctioning OLD internal software. Very often hardware manufacturers produce new software packs for this hardware which you can download from their sites. Note of warning: your guarantee is most likely void when trying to flash your hardware. I would recommend to at least flash the motherboard because this is the primary part of your computer, videocard and other hardware is optional (i have had problems with my motherboard which appeared to be an problem in IRQ settings, it was solved after an flash). Many motherboards have dual bios to prevent total loss of your motherboard, make sure you become familier with your motherboard specs prior to performing any flash operation. Hardware based solutions (this may involve an screwdriver) Heat and thermal problems From what i read your video card has an serieus heat problem, it isn't supposed to be running on 70+ C temperatures. High temperatures can and often WILL damage your hardware, make sure that you solve these problems when you find out about to high temperatures. Make sure to either clean out the fan and giving it a good checkup prior to start operating your system again or completely replace the fan for an more powerfull model which fits the socket. Also do an full checkup on the other fans and make sure they all are running without disruptions. Sidenote: some video cards gave smart temperature settings (settings for this are often in bios). Try disabling smart operations for lower fan noise because generally this only lowers fan speed till temperatures become critical. It would be better to get temperatures between 45 - 55 C because those are acceptable temperatures (some say 55 - 65 is safe aswell though i would try getting it as low as possible). Undercloking your hardware (videocard in this case) may also give the preferred temperature, but is often to be considered an cure rather then a solution. Power problems With newer hardware the power requirements of an machine increased dramaticly aswell. Old computers did great with 150 - 200 watt power supply's where a machine of these days requires significantly more. This is an somewhat harder cause to determine, especially for what your system requires. It may even be related to the temperature problem because to low poer for fans also mean worse flow of air. To get an proper powersupply do an add up of all internal hardware's power needs (read manuals / stickies for numbers). I cannot really help in exact specifications, just pay attention to AMP requirements and recommended would be at least an 750+ WATT powersupply but more important are it's AMP rails. There are many different power supply's ranging from 12 AMP to over 30 AMP, make sure to check with someone who does know if you are not sure about this what would be fitting in your machine. Remember also fans require energy and it's an build up of any and all hardware you have in your machine (hard disks, dvd burner, motherboard, videocard etc). Last solution would be to try and tweak some setting inside eve. Because most if not all of these have allready been given by others i will not go into much detail on this. Edit: fixed broken text Guide to fix eve problems. Cleanup your cache with my cache tool
Thommy	Posted - 2006.10.18 09:17:00 - [90] As a note for virus infections he says he has allready formatted the disk and installed clean version with hopefully the most recent drivers. Originally by: Khatred 4. Put in the WinXP CD, delete partition, format hdd, clean install now only with: Win XP SP2 with DirectX 9.0c, latest video drivers, mb drivers , audio drivers and a very clean Eve install. Surprise, after 3 jumps I got the fps drop again. This list will get very extensive what i am going to suggest and it may be broken down to multiple posts because of the length. I will start with software based solutions (which do not involve an screwdriver ). Memory based problems. - Try useing an application which checks your RAM because corruptions can have alot of nasty side effects (for example memtest86). - You wrote you have 2 gig of memory, try disabling the pagefile or setting it to an absolute minimum (i have had issues with slow response times when switching between applications). You can do this by right clicking the "my computer" icon and select properties, then go to the tab "advanced" and select "settings" of the column performance. Then switch to "advanced" on the window that popups and click the button "change". Put pageing file on ALL the hard disks (if you have more hard disks / partitions) to 0 and set the primary hard disk (c:\ in my case) to either 0 or a small number which is an increment of 2 (example 2,4,8,16,32 etc to max 64). Preffered solution for myself was 0 here Do not forget to click on apply afterwards. It is also possible to change processor / memory preferences to either application or background services, you can play arround with this to to see if it has any effect. Remember to put these back if it doesn't help though or even cripples your systems performance. Again do not forget to click on apply afterwards. There is also an tab for "visual effects", you could try choosing the option "custom" and turning off ALL effects to see if it makes any difference. Again do not forget to click on apply afterwards. Also make sure you try memory swapping (between slots), and try with just 1 stick of memory (1 gig). It may be possible your motherboard has an problem on one of the memory ports aswell. Eventually you can also go into your bios and have a look at your memory settings, some memory actually requires more voltage to operate correctly though i would recommend not to alter this unless you are REALLY sure the memory can handle it (and the altered voltage is on your memory's required voltage description). be really carefull with these kind of settings because they can destroy your memory or even damage other parts of your computer. Hard disk based problems An bad or overused hard disk can also be the cause of your problems. This can be numerous causes like for example disk load or just an very fragmented disk. In the previous part i allready noted down to disable or minimise the pagefile size which will significantly decrease hard disk operations because there is less swapping between memory and hard disk. However there are more options to decrease disk load. One of these is to disable windows system restore. You can do this by right clicking "my computer" again and click on properties. Go to the tab "system restore" and check "turn off system restore on all disks". Do not forget to click on apply afterwards. Another option is to run a defrag session (you can use external parties their programs or microsoft their own tool), it makes some difference on which one is better but the general idea is to defrag so we will not bother installing another tool which will most likely slow down your system. If possible also try useing another hard disk (preferably one which you know has no issues) because bad sectors can also cause problems randomly. [continue on next post] Guide to fix eve problems. Cleanup your cache with my cache tool

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