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Benefit	Posted - 2006.10.18 01:39:00 - [1] So, here I am with pretty decent skills in just about anything :) 3 years into the game and I _really_ want to start with some PvP.... got my crusader currently fitted as: 3 x Medium Pulse T2, 1 x Dual Light Pulse T2 AB, scrammer Small repper T2, Cap relay, Adaptive Nano Plating T2, MAPC So, I cruise along at 560m/s and tried orbiting some drones and ended up at everything from 50m/s to 1000+ ... what im now considering is refitting the ship to put in some electronic warfare capabilities and most specifically remove the afterburner. Ideas on this? Pros/cons of removing the AB?
Blind Man Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.18 02:00:00 - [2] 4x dual light beams mwd, 20km small rep, pdu, 2x cap relay ab sucks. need mwd.
Silicon Soul	Posted - 2006.10.18 02:56:00 - [3] Edited by: Silicon Soul on 18/10/2006 02:57:00 If your thinking about EW then the Malediction is a better bet. Keep your highs and a nos* (edit*) Meds: MWD; Scrambler; Damp II (tracking dis./ecm - I recommend a damp though) SAR II, adaptive nano pl., cap relay. I haven't flown a Mal in a while though, moved on to Taranis so Im not sure if you need a auxilery.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.10.18 10:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Benefit Ideas on this? Pros/cons of removing the AB? Removing a speed mod from a ship whose defense relies on avoiding damage is... well, suicidal. And as BM said, that really needs to be an MWD. You'll catch little without a webber and won't have the cap to run a 20km for long anyway. The only scrambling 'sader that makes sense is the long-range DLB setup. (if you want to fight at close range you really need to be plated - and ideally have a DC on top)
Paigan Amarr Katsu Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.18 11:20:00 - [5] Originally by: Blind Man 4x dual light beams mwd, 20km small rep, pdu, 2x cap relay ab sucks. need mwd. I really wonder WHY an MWD is needed. I testet it (on a crusader as well). 1.)You get WAY to fast. If you start 20km away from your target and activate the MWD one time, you shoot away of him 10km to far on the opposite site. Completely unpractically. 2.) You can't use the speed to orbit As you want to orbit closely to get the best protection you can't even use the full AB speed. Not to mention the MWD speed. If you orbit at a distance where you can use your full speed, you can't web, scramble and shoot anymore (which you don't want) 3.) Through the higher sig radius, you shine like a christmas tree and thus are locked MUCH faster (which you dont want, especially on approach) and take more damage from bigger weapons (which you don't want as well) 4.) You have less cap 5.) You need more cap 6.) You can't fit as well My experience is that a MWD for a tackler only has disadvantages in EVERY aspect. Even concearning speed. (I could only imagine a situation where you try to approach the 100-200km to a sniper directly and therefor need the MWD. But that would be pretty clumsy in the first place...) So why does AB suck and why is a MWD needed? I just don't get it.. -- This game is still in beta stage
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 11:22:00 - [6] Inty with ab is of less use than vigil with mwd. Just this. Fly it with AB, you will understand soon what's the problem.
Paigan Amarr Katsu Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.18 11:26:00 - [7] Originally by: LUKEC Inty with ab is of less use than vigil with mwd. Just this. Fly it with AB, you will understand soon what's the problem. Any argument? Or just plain "the world is flat because IT IS FLAT" mentality ? -- This game is still in beta stage
wierchas noobhunter Caldari Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.18 11:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Paigan Originally by: LUKEC Inty with ab is of less use than vigil with mwd. Just this. Fly it with AB, you will understand soon what's the problem. Any argument? Or just plain "the world is flat because IT IS FLAT" mentality ? k try kill anythink with slow inty with no web and say somethink or better just go mine more veld k ? join me be cool
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.10.18 11:59:00 - [9] Fly a long range inty with no MWD and see how long it takes before you're webbed and splatted like a little fly. You might be able to tackle larger, slower opponents but you won't be able to kill them with DLB DPS. Your targets are inties and AFs, both of which will likely be faster than you. If you can't dictate range, a long-range tankless setup suddenly loses all its advantages.
Nir	Posted - 2006.10.18 12:39:00 - [10] MWD + Web works on Claws, I imagine it would too on 'Sader for PvP
Paigan Amarr Katsu Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.18 13:44:00 - [11] Edited by: Paigan on 18/10/2006 13:45:35 Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Paigan Originally by: LUKEC Inty with ab is of less use than vigil with mwd. Just this. Fly it with AB, you will understand soon what's the problem. Any argument? Or just plain "the world is flat because IT IS FLAT" mentality ? k try kill anythink with slow inty with no web and say somethink or better just go mine more veld k ? I'm currently thinking about petitioning your behaviour. Again you have no point at all, just flaming. Originally by: inSpirAcy Fly a long range inty with no MWD and see how long it takes before you're webbed and splatted like a little fly. Crusader is mostly short range with its pulses. I explicitly wrote "you orbit closely" and you answer "for long range you need MWD" I consider this an argeement to what i wrote... -- This game is still in beta stage
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.10.18 13:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Paigan Originally by: inSpirAcy Fly a long range inty with no MWD and see how long it takes before you're webbed and splatted like a little fly. Crusader is mostly short range with its pulses. I explicitly wrote "you orbit closely" and you answer "for long range you need MWD" I consider this an argeement to what i wrote... You still need an MWD for close range or you either won't get into range in the first place, or your target will drift out of the web. If he can't outrange you he'll just run. Blasteranis wins by sheer damage, Railranis wins by range.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2006.10.18 13:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Paigan Edited by: Paigan on 18/10/2006 13:45:35 Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Paigan Originally by: LUKEC Inty with ab is of less use than vigil with mwd. Just this. Fly it with AB, you will understand soon what's the problem. Any argument? Or just plain "the world is flat because IT IS FLAT" mentality ? k try kill anythink with slow inty with no web and say somethink or better just go mine more veld k ? I'm currently thinking about petitioning your behaviour. Again you have no point at all, just flaming. Originally by: inSpirAcy Fly a long range inty with no MWD and see how long it takes before you're webbed and splatted like a little fly. Crusader is mostly short range with its pulses. I explicitly wrote "you orbit closely" and you answer "for long range you need MWD" I consider this an argeement to what i wrote... He does have a point. Its just very very simple, you are in the fastest ship in eve: 1) do you fit a mwd? so you can be uberfast and YOU can CHOSE what you want to engage and predict range. 2) you fit a ab? so A LOT of things will be faster than you, so they are able to damage your paperthin ship. The jeagerbomb was a exeption, because that inty was so heavy plated it could take down AF easily. _________________________________________________
Milenko2121 Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.18 14:07:00 - [14] Edited by: Milenko2121 on 18/10/2006 14:12:33 Originally by: Paigan I'm currently thinking about petitioning your behaviour. Again you have no point at all, just flaming. that's really childish, and pretty sad that you're threatening to petition him because you're too blind to read what he's saying. DON'T USE AB ON AN INTERCEPTER UNLESS YOU LIKE DYING. there's already been a few examples shown. also without a MWD if you go close range and you get webbed you're gonna die, but with MWD you can still be going fast.
Tassi Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.10.18 14:22:00 - [15] Edited by: Tassi on 18/10/2006 14:22:40 jSgerbomb wasn't "nber heavy plated". Standard 400mm rolled tungsten plate which you can achieve on a jSgerbombsader aswell. Only problem is that you have to drop the kinetic plating for a MAPC there are viable closerange sader setups which work pretty decent.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.10.18 14:26:00 - [16] The Jaegerbomb was an anti-AF setup. You'd catch no interceptors with any sense with it, and I daresay not many AFs with sense either. Fun videos, but if you watch most of the fights they start at ranges the AF shouldn't have been at in the first place.
Tasty Burger	Posted - 2006.10.18 14:29:00 - [17] The Crusader is completely outclassed by the other interceptors below web range. However, it is one of the only interceptors that can stand toe-to-toe with a crow and win, whether it is using rockets or light missiles. Crusader is, frankly, the only interceptor I'm afraid of in my crow, because its so fast and has a long range. If I'm in any other ceptor, though, the Crusader is an easy kill.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:35:00 - [18] Edited by: LUKEC on 18/10/2006 15:40:15 Originally by: Tasty Burger The Crusader is completely outclassed by the other interceptors below web range. However, it is one of the only interceptors that can stand toe-to-toe with a crow and win, whether it is using rockets or light missiles. Crusader is, frankly, the only interceptor I'm afraid of in my crow, because its so fast and has a long range. If I'm in any other ceptor, though, the Crusader is an easy kill. Naaa... taranis(rails/blasters doesn't matter) is also easy prey for crusader, only problem is that you need web... so no catch unless they are doing relatively well/trying hard. But i never liked beams. As jaegerbomb it works fine vs caldari(+ vengeance) ships, gl beating minmatar, or gallente with it. Crusader only lacks 25% dmg -> 50% dmg bonus and 3(hi)/3/4 slot layout. Same as claw tbh.
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:39:00 - [19] Originally by: Blind Man 4x dual light beams mwd, 20km small rep, pdu, 2x cap relay ab sucks. need mwd. Alteration to Quoted Setup 4x Dual Light Beam II 1mn AB II or best Named, 20km scram Small armor rep, 2x nano, and one mod of your choice You can leave the scrambler, afterburner, and beams on forever. If you orbit at around 10,500 with standard crystals (10km optimal, around 2.5k falloff) you will remain out of medium NOS and web range and still be able to hit frigs (haven't tested against other interceptors). Or you can try the uber close gank setups with the crusader...I never use MWD on my crusader as I just leave the afterburner on forever and rarely have to travel more than 10km to get within the 20km scram range. --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!

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