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Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:08:00 - [121] Originally by: Mang0o Edited by: Mang0o on 20/10/2006 13:22:02 Originally by: Coupo mangoo hit a new low and broke through the barrier to the void beyond it would seem thats bob doing the "happy dance" after you kill a BS but i took it down.. or ill get banned.. but it was so funny wait, didn;t you bail on ascn less than a week into the war? please insert your weak excuses here.......... thanks
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:10:00 - [122] Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 20/10/2006 14:12:00 Originally by: McMike Quote: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) ASCN have lost 2 Dreadnaughts and killed 0 (2 û 0) ASCN have lost 5 Carriers and killed 0 (5 û 0) ASCN have lost 1369 Capsules* and killed 191 (7.2 û 1) Ahh..... BOB propaganda again. Looking at the ASCN killboard, 122 bs from bob killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 275 BOB capsule killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 423 BOB interceptor killmails on ASCN killboards That probably explains alot. BOB turn up with ceptors and then come here claiming great BS ratios. The ceptor kill ratio is like 2 to 1 against bob. HACs are worse. Nicely omitted from the above. I thought you'd avoid posting about kilsl and losses since you got owned so badly last tim with your participation kills. But, I do enjoy a good trainwreck, so please carry on. How is xetic doing by the way? Oh and don;t forget the titan bob ost on ascn's killbaord. It is SO accurate, lol.
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:15:00 - [123] Quote: I thought you'd avoid posting about kilsl and losses since you got owned so badly last tim with your participation kills. But, I do enjoy a good trainwreck, so please carry on. How is xetic doing by the way? Oh and don;t forget the titan bob ost on ascn's killbaord. It is SO accurate, lol. Dear BOB fanboy, Either the killmails are faked or not. I'm rather doubtful that either side would fake mail (as opposed to lazy players not posting). Thus, BOB killsmails on ASCN are accurate, their losses are not. ASCN killmails on BOB are accurate, their losses are not. There combination of the two is probably a much clearer picture.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:16:00 - [124] Edited by: LUKEC on 20/10/2006 14:16:30 Originally by: McMike Quote: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) ASCN have lost 2 Dreadnaughts and killed 0 (2 û 0) ASCN have lost 5 Carriers and killed 0 (5 û 0) ASCN have lost 1369 Capsules* and killed 191 (7.2 û 1) Ahh..... BOB propaganda again. Looking at the ASCN killboard, 122 bs from bob killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 275 BOB capsule killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 423 BOB interceptor killmails on ASCN killboards That probably explains alot. BOB turn up with ceptors and then come here claiming great BS ratios. The ceptor kill ratio is like 2 to 1 against bob. HACs are worse. Nicely omitted from the above. Just before they start patting your back, check resident corp killboards and you will realize that they don't do THAT bad (hi cybercop). Also cruisers were ommited. And fact that we lost only half as much intys than they lost battleships, is SOOO frustrating for us.
Massao Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:23:00 - [125] Originally by: McMike Either the killmails are faked or not. Both Titan mails on the ascn killboard are indeed fake. We've also seen instances of ASCN pilots faking smaller ship mails aswell (Hello to Valoras' vagabond of a thousand lives in particular).
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:30:00 - [126] Originally by: McMike Quote: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) ASCN have lost 2 Dreadnaughts and killed 0 (2 û 0) ASCN have lost 5 Carriers and killed 0 (5 û 0) ASCN have lost 1369 Capsules* and killed 191 (7.2 û 1) Ahh..... BOB propaganda again. Looking at the ASCN killboard, 122 bs from bob killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 275 BOB capsule killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 423 BOB interceptor killmails on ASCN killboards That probably explains alot. BOB turn up with ceptors and then come here claiming great BS ratios. The ceptor kill ratio is like 2 to 1 against bob. HACs are worse. Nicely omitted from the above. -Resident corps are not slaves so troll somewhere else. -They dont carry BOB alliance ticker so i relay dotn udnerstand how u wanna stick them into the argument or is it just another desperate attempt to make the ASCN slaugher looks lesser??? -If there are killmails that aint on BOB killboards just mail the CEO as it has been said 100000 times already , not that hard. -ASCN killboard credaiblity is not realy the best imo after that fake titan killmail but anyhow let this be as it may be. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:36:00 - [127] Originally by: McMike Quote: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) ASCN have lost 2 Dreadnaughts and killed 0 (2 û 0) ASCN have lost 5 Carriers and killed 0 (5 û 0) ASCN have lost 1369 Capsules* and killed 191 (7.2 û 1) Ahh..... BOB propaganda again. Looking at the ASCN killboard, 122 bs from bob killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 275 BOB capsule killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 423 BOB interceptor killmails on ASCN killboards That probably explains alot. BOB turn up with ceptors and then come here claiming great BS ratios. The ceptor kill ratio is like 2 to 1 against bob. HACs are worse. Nicely omitted from the above. I haven't seen you in TCAG-3, so I'm quite impressed by your clear insight. We've been there camping the gates/hostile POS with our battleships day after day, waiting for someone in ASCN to actually take command and rally their superior numbers in local together to come and attack us. Occasionally it has happened, and we've had a few good fights (and a few turkey shoots), but for the most part it's been fairly quiet in TCAG. However, we're not content to watch people hug their POS all day, so while waiting for them to come out of reinforced and if there's no sign of a fight on the horizon, yes, we will switch to roaming gangs of interceptors and HACs and go harass the people that those in TCAG claim to be protecting. ASCN seem to be attempting to do something similar in Delve, but prefer to use tech I frigates and cruisers instead, which is their choice I suppose. They don't generally seem to have the same luck as us though (I'm not aware of a BoB carrier being found and ganked in a belt in their home system for example, whereas we were able to kill an ASCN thanatos without resistance sitting in an ice belt in AZN-D2). We choose to use tech II ships because we can afford to and because we have easy access to it - I'd have thought that being the industrial power house it is, ASCN would be in a similar position, but apparently not (and please don't bring up the tired old line that ASCN are all newbs that can't use tech II, a quick glance at my loss mails will reveal that's not the case). --- Wave of Mutilation 2
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:42:00 - [128] Quote: -Resident corps are not slaves so troll somewhere else. -They dont carry BOB alliance ticker so i relay dotn udnerstand how u wanna stick them into the argument or is it just another desperate attempt to make the ASCN slaugher looks lesser??? -If there are killmails that aint on BOB killboards just mail the CEO as it has been said 100000 times already , not that hard. -ASCN killboard credaiblity is not realy the best imo after that fake titan killmail but anyhow let this be as it may be. Oh.. that titan killmail rocked the eve community! ASCN credibility is shot. When I saw it I thought, hey, this is really really low. I mean compared to BOB's forum spying, posting private content on public forums, general forum whoring, using TS spys to get advantages in fleet battles, there really is no comparison. Oh, the joy of BOB preaching about credaiblity.
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:43:00 - [129] Quote: I haven't seen you in TCAG-3, so I'm quite impressed by your clear insight. Killboards. Lots of dead ceptors, I'm assuming your using them alot.
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:47:00 - [130] Originally by: McMike Quote: I haven't seen you in TCAG-3, so I'm quite impressed by your clear insight. Killboards. Lots of dead ceptors, I'm assuming your using them alot. Nope our killboard has no listing for you. So yeah dead ceptors. We make use of more t2 ships because we can get them cheap as chips. Hacs no problem we manufacture a lot of them ourselves, inty's are'nt much more expensive than a rifter for us tbh. So yeah all your supposed ceptor kills have done loads of damage to our wallets well done.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:49:00 - [131] Originally by: McMike Quote: I haven't seen you in TCAG-3, so I'm quite impressed by your clear insight. Killboards. Lots of dead ceptors, I'm assuming your using them alot. That is the best you can come up with? game set match tbfh
Umbriele Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:54:00 - [132] We are at war, really? I must keep it in mind next time I bring my hauler from period basis to empire full of zydrine to sell
Zrevak Ashek The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:08:00 - [133] Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 20/10/2006 15:09:39 BOB use battleships alot, its just that they are hard to get. Normally, they will have a squadron of interceptors by a gate and just wait for an enemy fleet to jump in. Once that happens, their BS fleet warps to the area at about 100 km from enemy fleet, immedeately align to a warp out point. They use jammers and release drones to neutralize or kill off incoming tacklers. When one of their bs's are made primary, they warp to safe and warp back again at warp in point usually 200km from enemy fleet. When their enemy is called primary and warp out, they will get him when he comes back as he wont have time to realign. They win alot of fleetbattles using this tactic
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:09:00 - [134] Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/10/2006 15:09:55 Originally by: Zrevak Ashek They use jammers and release drones to neutralize or kill off incoming tacklers. Nah, we very rarely use jammers or drones. Also, we mix up our tactics alot and never really on one trick which is why we win alot. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:10:00 - [135] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 20/10/2006 15:09:39 BOB use battleships alot, its just that they are hard to get. Normally, they will have a squadron of interceptors by a gate and just wait for an enemy fleet to jump in. Once that happens, their BS fleet warps to the area at about 100 km from enemy fleet, immedeately align to a warp out point. They use jammers and release drones to neutralize or kill off incoming tacklers. When one of their bs's are made primary, they warp to safe and warp back again at warp in point usually 200km from enemy fleet. When their enemy is called primary and warp out, they will get him when he comes back as he wont have time to realign. They win alot of fleetbattles using this tactic umm those are not drones.. and your insight to how we fight just goes to show you dont know ***t ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Zrevak Ashek The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:20:00 - [136] Oh, so I dont know **** Whatever u say
Fendragun Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:49:00 - [137] i think what bothers mC most is that the tribune has it right and its messing with his own internal propoganda sorry mate
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 16:15:00 - [138] Edited by: Metal Dude on 20/10/2006 16:18:18 Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Metal Dude You know what's LAME? What that recording contained. It's LAME to tell your members to log out after jumping in to a hostile camp to avoid loses. That's what's really LAME. The recording was just proof and if it was not posted, it would have been denied. If proof of Lameness is LAME, then be it. Like BoB did in Y9G agaist Goonfleet? Do you have proof that BoB FC, after jumping in to hostile camp, before uncloaking, ordered their members to log out to avoid being killed? No? Then STFU. You donÆt know what you are talking about. I do remember killing you in Y9G, so I understand why you lie about it. Your post has no merit whatsoever. Why would BoB have to log out in Y9G from goons? BoB had the whole system locked down for weeks killing at will. But please. Prove me wrong and show us some proof. Oh wait. That would be LAME, so you won't. Right? The real reason you won't post any evidence to back up your claims is because it does not exist and you know it. Again, baseless accusations FTL. The truth will set you free
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.20 16:50:00 - [139] Edited by: welsh wizard on 20/10/2006 16:53:52 Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 20/10/2006 15:09:39 BOB use battleships alot, its just that they are hard to get. Normally, they will have a squadron of interceptors by a gate and just wait for an enemy fleet to jump in. Once that happens, their BS fleet warps to the area at about 100 km from enemy fleet, immedeately align to a warp out point. They use jammers and release drones to neutralize or kill off incoming tacklers. When one of their bs's are made primary, they warp to safe and warp back again at warp in point usually 200km from enemy fleet. When their enemy is called primary and warp out, they will get him when he comes back as he wont have time to realign. They win alot of fleetbattles using this tactic lol As dbp said the thing BoB do well is mix it up. They often start close then use propulsion to move out of range, they don't like ECM (respect) and use their range advantage to stay out of multispec optimal. When we had them where we wanted them (very close) we could overpower them through sheer damage but when the tricky gits start moving out of range you run into a whole new set of problems. Fighting BoB is a learning process but they're not unbeatable, contrary to popular belief. I find corps like KOS (celtic anarchy) and E-R fight in a similar way just with fewer numbers. edit: Bring lots of Phase jamming and a smattering of White noise and you increase your chances significantly. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Neurosis Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 16:50:00 - [140] blah blah blah, drivel drivel drivel, I don't really care about the propaganda, but i REALLY do appreciate all the fuel and the scorpion you left in your corporate hangar that died this morning, that is a LOT less trips to empire we'll have to make, Heres to you Mr ASCN! _________________________________________________ Sig is not eve related - please see the RULES - Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc ([email protected])
John McCreedy Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:05:00 - [141] Originally by: Jonathan Fisher Edited by: Jonathan Fisher on 20/10/2006 07:37:53 To mr. McCreedy: Johnathon, thank you for making a statement to my rebuttal. You claim that you wish to be objective yet as I've demonstrated to you, your article was full of bias towards BoB, even going so far as to make several disparaging remarks against myself when I have only ever quoted truth. You invite ASCN within your reply to prove to you that any of BoB's Leadership have lied yet within your own article you claim that I have lied. That is a perfect example of your bias. Neither I nor anyone else in ASCN wish the next artical of the so-called "Pendelum War" to be a peice of ASCN propaganda. That's a game we have stayed away from throughout this conflict. I would also draw your attention to the fact that ware the only ones to of thought that your article was biased. To remind you, here are some quotes from your orignal post: Originally by: Kyguard The article is so full of crap and bias it's not funny. Won't be reading this again.. Originally by: Beringe I can't believe people are calling this "professional". The amount of hyperbole, supposition and bad editing crammed into this "issue" is only surpassed by the forums...but at least forum posts don't pretend to be anything other than they are. The only 'article' I even remotely liked was the in-character one on the caldari recon ships. The rest was drivel. Originally by: Caldess I enjoy reading the site, but sometimes I get the impression that there's a little bit of bias to the reports (re: the Pendulum Wars in this issue). Originally by: Ifni That entire article is nothing but supposition taken from the side of player, which is alot less than 50% of the story. How do articles like this get through? Not one of the above people are in or have anything to do with ASCN. At least, none that I'm aware. Additionally, statements such as: Originally by: Jonathan Fisher You might have a top-secret plan that will become revealed within a week or two, and you might be purposefully misleading people into thinking that your alliance has serious problems. If this is the case, please do not attack the press for publishing your purposeful misdirecion. draws conclusions where an unbiased journalist would leave the reader to draw their own conclusions. Who are you to say that ASCN has "serious problems"? As I've told you, our morale is high, our wallets are fat and we, not BoB, are the ones on the offensive. However, that is not to say that BoB have problems. I am not a member of BoB so I cannot comment on either their morale or cash reserves. Unlike you, I will not draw conclusions to facts I know nothing about. Additionally, statements such as: Originally by: Jonathan Fisher I will publish the information I have available and judge to be most probably true regardless of whether it favours BoB or ASCN. At this moment in time it favours BoB. apear to be agreeing that the information you printed was a biased peice of BoB propaganda. You have a list of contacts so should you wish to make a genuinely balanced artical next week then please do not hesitate to contact myself or any of my collegues for a statement or clarification of facts. I'm sure the rest of Eve will welcome a more balanced perspective from your next peice of writing. Make a Difference
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:11:00 - [142] Originally by: John McCreedy ...contact myself...facts. Sure thing John, where do we sign up? Can we get a weekly tale of "playing PBS soon (tm)" and "EDF wins war against BoB single handed, rest of ASCN just cling on to coat tails" along with my weetabix, please. Cheers.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:14:00 - [143] Originally by: Metal Dude You know, the worst thing about this war is that it will end one day. Let's enjoy it while it lasts. you know the smack is reaching bad levels when metal dude tells people to chill out! hehe if only the nodes would hold eh? In rust we trust!!! Right here Tux ,,\|,,
RogueWing Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:16:00 - [144] ... Only in ASCN would someone consider the solution to being short an office to be "Drop another Outpost"
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:23:00 - [145] Originally by: John McCreedy You claim that you wish to be objective yet as I've demonstrated to you, your article was full of bias towards BoB, Didn't we go through that and came to the conclusion that most of what you called bias was a natural reaction to the delusional propaganda you materialised out of thin air ? Quote: that I have lied. That is a perfect example of your bias. Hmm, didn't we arrive at the conclusion that you did actually lie on several occasions ? Quote: Neither I nor anyone else in ASCN wish the next artical of the so-called "Pendelum War" to be a peice of ASCN propaganda. Yet you try to point out faults in the last article using lies ? Quote: Not one of the above people are in or have anything to do with ASCN. At least, none that I'm aware. Isn't it so that several if nto most of those quotes of yours refer to the article regarding GM errors rather then the article on the ASCN v BoB wars ? Quote: I am not a member of BoB so I cannot comment on either their morale or cash reserves. Unlike you, I will not draw conclusions to facts I know nothing about. John, I asked you last time and I'll ask you again. Do I need to quote your internal posts again ? You are again lying, this time to his face, and he already had the proof for it... How do hell do you think he'll take your statements seriously this way ? Old blog
Marodi Alivar SUBLIME L.L.C. Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:58:00 - [146] If you ever expect the news to be completely unbiased, don't read the news. The victors write history, and the unknowing write the news. News is always full of unknowns and rumor. "pew pew" is better than "blah blah" when it comes to war.
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:18:00 - [147] Originally by: John McCreedy ... Note that some of us were commenting on the entire issue of Eve-Tribune, not just the pendulum wars. In fact, I'm pretty sure that Ifni's statement was about the GM rant. I never said they were biased. Just that they were unprofessional. In fact, I'll go so far to say that they're probably no more biased than anyone else. It's just that in order to write a good article, of this type, you need to quote sources, have good editing, and make sure that your wording doesn't unduly tilt the balance of the article. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Lakedaimon Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:29:00 - [148] Without wanting to get into a smackfest here, I'd like to respond to one of McCreedy's statements: Quote: I am not a member of BoB so I cannot comment on either their morale or cash reserves. I'd appreciate it if you could answer me this: Did you or did you not mention (several times, if I recall correctly) in posts on your internal forums that BoB morale was low? Did you or didn't you post the following: "So with this in mind, I talked to Cyvok and got him to agree that the best course of action was to go on the offensive. This has lead to a huge morale drop in BoB* so at least we're winning there."* (I bolded the relevant part). If you did indeed post this, and we combine it with your statement that I quoted above, this means that you have in fact been telling your members something which you yourself admitted to not knowing. Therefore, we can conclude that you were indeed not being truthful, and this in turn invalidates your statement that you do not lie.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:35:00 - [149] I hereby decree any system that ASCN gains sovereignty over shall be renamed to "CTRL-Q". This change will be effective next downtime. That is all. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Alexison Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:41:00 - [150] John McCreedy for president!

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