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Sovereign1100 Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.19 21:50:00 - [1] Wow thats a lot of Bob posts in under 40mins. I must admit I just scan about the first line of all these posts these days. There is little point in ready any of this crap. All that will matter is the ending - and no one can predict what thats gonna be yet. Then you can let loose the e-peens. Till then - why bother? -Sov
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.19 22:01:00 - [2] Well if ASCN responded to some of the points made instead of BOB replying to themselfs, generaly ASCN posts are actually about bob spamming and dont contribute to the discussion
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.19 22:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Zagum Darkfin How easily it is to forget that ASCN had not 1 but 13 Towers in TPAR and STILL COULD NOT TAKE THE STATION. Where are those towers now??? Yes boys and girls, that's right, they are GONE. FACTS: Your TPAR op has Failed. NO ASCN in TPAR. Your second front op has FAILED. That freighter was poped. A good majority of our Kills are in ASCN space. Your offensive has FAILED in Bob space. Bob roams freely in ASCN space. NOTED: An alliance of 5000 has to hire Mercs to fight an Alliance 1/4th your size. Pathetic to say atleast. We have only just to get started. Wait until you see our Battle POSes, its a pretty sight. Now, please continue this drivel, I just had to post the obvious. 1. Yes, good job. 2. You sure killed a freighter, however, we haven't seen BoB fight shak since the freighter run (34 bob dead 1 shak loss). What is that word you use, slaughter? Yeah. 3. You got a lot of kills in ASCN space but majority? No. 4. ASCN roams freely in BoB space. Shak does it everyday. 5. The stock for tissues just went up 1 carecent. Boohoo. 6. Bring it. ________________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.19 22:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Zae'dra Xanthe ... We spent much of last hearing about a freighter and a TS recording. Dispite the fact that it's completely LAME to record such a thing a post it... You know what's LAME? What that recording contained. It's LAME to tell your members to log out after jumping in to a hostile camp to avoid loses. That's what's really LAME. The recording was just proof and if it was not posted, it would have been denied. If proof of Lameness is LAME, then be it. /me repeats the BoB line about such tactics being allowed in the game FREEE is Recruiting
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.19 22:49:00 - [5] Edited by: Blacklight on 19/10/2006 22:49:22 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr 1. Yes, good job. 2. You sure killed a freighter, however, we haven't seen BoB fight shak since the freighter run (34 bob dead 1 shak loss). What is that word you use, slaughter? Yeah. 3. You got a lot of kills in ASCN space but majority? No. 4. ASCN roams freely in BoB space. Shak does it everyday. 5. The stock for tissues just went up 1 carecent. Boohoo. 6. Bring it. 1. Glad we agree on the fact your offensive failed horribly. 2. Freighter worth billions, 34 BoB ships worth less. I'll happily take that. Congrats on your 'victory'. Please now consider the fact that losing 100 fleet fights and 'winning' a skirmish over a frieghter kind of puts those 34 BoB losses in even more perspective doesn't it. I also call BS on your statement, you need to check your facts before posting. Freighter loss was on 13th October since then Sha Kharn has lost... 6 BS 2 Recons and 2 other cruisers 2 Indies and 2 Covetors 5 Frig size 11 Pods ...and apparently 20 different Sha Kharn pilots died without seeing BoB fight them, your corp needs to hire a) an optician and b) a better spin doctor. 3. Check Rod's stat's in Madeye's thread about 33b killed in TCAG and yet 25b killed in GQ2, not the majority but not the imbalance you are implying. Besides which if you do the travelling and the dying we're very happy, please continue. 4. Good for you, we're not there unless we log the alt squad on, have fun chasing ghosts. 5. We read your alliance mail and forums, no wonder tissues are becoming more expensive. 6. We are, we initiated the war by picking on you poor helpless empire building alliance that whilst happy to be named as one of the 'big four' power blocks cries like a spoilt child when we start taking your toys away. P.S. you're dying in your thousands and we're doing the shooting, so I don't know quite what you're asking. Anyway, as you guys have been recalled to TCAG and are such merciless and fearless PvPers no doubt during your tour of duty we'll see lots of you. Have fun.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.19 22:50:00 - [6] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 19/10/2006 22:57:18 edit: in all fairness, you didnt make your number up, it's just not very indicative of your success is it ? 34 dead for one loss ? Sounds like good stats that. Is that supposed to indicate your success in killing us ? You would almost think.... Quote: SHA KHARN CORP Stats Kills (337) Losses (254) and that's participations versus lost ships. Pretty ** poor tbh. Let me show you how it's done: Quote:** EVOLUTION Stats Kills (2528) Losses (251) Look em up, you're not doing all that well are you ? Old blog
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.19 22:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Rod Blaine 34 dead for one loss ? Sounds like good stats that. You would almost think.... Quote: SHA KHARN CORP Stats Kills (337) Losses (254) Look em up, you're making ** up again** Oh it's ok though because according to Madeye those 'participations' mean that Sha Kharn must be wery wery scawily effective
Zae'dra Xanthe Fist of the Goat	Posted - 2006.10.19 22:56:00 - [8] Edited by: Zae''dra Xanthe on 19/10/2006 22:57:26 Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 19/10/2006 21:37:39 Originally by: Zae'dra Xanthe ASCN has double the forces of BoB. They should be able to sustain twice the damage and continue the fight. I disagree completely. Right now BoB is letting ASCN throw themselves into a forced-offensive war. ASCN high command may have been ready for the eventuality of a BoB war, but I doubt the majority of the members were, whereas I'm sure all of BoB had a stockpile of ships waiting for the order to come down. Whether or not BoB anticipated ASCN to take the offensive is irrelivant; right now it all comes down to resupplying. ASCN could have 10,000 people and it won't matter if none of them can get into ships. Resupply from empire will be long and hard, having to come all the way down to Paragon Soul/Period Basis, whereas resupplying from NOL- or any of the other BoB outposts is quick and realatively safe. Like I said, I don't know if BoB expected ASCN to take the offensive, but with ASCN depleting all of it's reserve ships, BoB is going to be able to walk into Paragon Soul and Feythabolis with very little resistance. Like I said, they should be able to sustain twice the damage BoB can. We're talking about an industrial giant with ASCN. They should be better prepared than anyone to fight an war of attrition. There's no need to bring ships from Empire, they should be able to produce from within 0.0 space. If ACSN can hold ground and "out-produce" BoB they can "win". You are right though, if they throw away ships too quickly they'll lose their industial edge. ASCN, hold space and PRODUCE, PRODUCE, PRODUCE! Maybe kill a ship or two along the way.
Logan Williams Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.19 23:48:00 - [9] Originally by: Backdoor Bandit I just consulted my Magic 8-Ball, it told me to prepare for flamage. Bandit, you ARE flamage. While I've got your attention, I'm taking bets as to who will post the most useless propaganda. 3/2 odds on McCreedy, that guy never shuts up.
Logan Williams Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.10.19 23:51:00 - [10] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Rod Blaine 34 dead for one loss ? Sounds like good stats that. You would almost think.... Quote: SHA KHARN CORP Stats Kills (337) Losses (254) Look em up, you're making ** up again** Oh it's ok though because according to Madeye those 'participations' mean that Sha Kharn must be wery wery scawily effective Sha Karn Corp.....make crap up?! NEVER!!! OHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh they're the ones who tried to shoot up TnT and then blamed it on TnT. Yeah, they're a real hoot. Good luck on finding your way to the truth.
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.20 00:02:00 - [11] In fairness to EvE Guardian their report is gives substantially the correct feel for what is happening. John's nitpicking is just anal to be honest.
HC MasiEEE V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.20 00:08:00 - [12] ________________________ HC MasiEEE - V I R I I
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 00:09:00 - [13] According to Loxy's and Script's famous modo, Johny: you suck, we rule.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.20 00:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Originally by: Zagum Darkfin How easily it is to forget that ASCN had not 1 but 13 Towers in TPAR and STILL COULD NOT TAKE THE STATION. Where are those towers now??? Yes boys and girls, that's right, they are GONE. FACTS: Your TPAR op has Failed. NO ASCN in TPAR. Your second front op has FAILED. That freighter was poped. A good majority of our Kills are in ASCN space. Your offensive has FAILED in Bob space. Bob roams freely in ASCN space. NOTED: An alliance of 5000 has to hire Mercs to fight an Alliance 1/4th your size. Pathetic to say atleast. We have only just to get started. Wait until you see our Battle POSes, its a pretty sight. Now, please continue this drivel, I just had to post the obvious. 1. Yes, good job. 2. You sure killed a freighter, however, we haven't seen BoB fight shak since the freighter run (34 bob dead 1 shak loss). What is that word you use, slaughter? Yeah. 3. You got a lot of kills in ASCN space but majority? No. 4. ASCN roams freely in BoB space. Shak does it everyday. 5. The stock for tissues just went up 1 carecent. Boohoo. 6. Bring it. You must have taken lessons from Xirtam. When the going gets bad, start blaming your allies for not being as good as you are. Well done.
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 00:39:00 - [15] When the going gets bad? What is bad? If anything our alliance is doing a fine job. BoB gave us 1 week before they would take our space. How long has it been since then? The difference between BoB and ASCN is that BoB comes on forums to impress people, ASCN doesn't. Do we come on the board with "we killed 288 bs we are uber loLOLOl so nub ascn haha kthx!111". Everything BoB does the world has to hear about it. Honestly who cares, play the game. Oh and buddy.... don't try to enter the realm of video game politics, makes you look stupid. I'm sure you have something more productive to do other then brown nosing an alliance you aren't assoicated with. ________________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
Calderio Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 00:43:00 - [16] I Calderio of BOBRADIO support this thread and the Hobbitism it represents. Cant we all just fight a happy war, remember you can say I killed you on the forums all you want, its on tranqility that matters. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Listen to me on bob radio 00:00 eve time every friday and saturday http://stream1.bobonair.com:8000/listen-broadband.aac.m3u [img]http://img147.echo.cx
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 00:48:00 - [17] Edited by: Metal Dude on 20/10/2006 01:07:01 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr ... If anything our alliance is doing a fine job. ... Yes you are and we appreciate it. Please continue. Originally by: Calderio Listen to me on bob radio 00:00 eve time every friday and saturday http://stream1.bobonair.com:8000/listen-broadband.aac.m3u Are you going to read us the ASCN æBoB are desperateÆ blogs? Because that will get an audience. The truth will set you free
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 00:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr If anything our alliance is doing a fine job. BoB gave us 1 week before they would take our space. How long has it been since then? Lie. Where did we state it would take 1 week to take your space? Find me the link please. Caught out in BS again. You really are a poor forum warrior, please stop you are owning yourself.
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 00:58:00 - [19] Find you the link? Go find it yourself. There are too many BoB threads (sad) to look through but it was said. I remember it clearly because when I read it I laughed. Silly goose. ________________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr When the going gets bad? What is bad? I'd say: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) IS going bad, who wouldn't? Not too mention declining participation (accordign to your OWN leaders), losing 10 or so large POS in tpar. In fact, wht exactly are you doing well other than losign 3-5B isk in a freighter while killing the pilots who successfully killed YOUR freighter. Oh and seeing you feel the need to flame and insult me shows exactly how poorly you are doing. The fact that your leadership spend their time (when not house shopping-lol) berating their opponents by pretending to know how their real lives are (again lol) to justify their immense failures says enough for most of us not involved to make an educated opinion to how poorly you are doing. Not only have you lost badly in eve, but your standing has suffered immensealy on the galnet. Bob maybe makes fun of you and posts too much, but that is only because they have earned the right both on the field (by crushing you) and on here because of the personal attacks by your leadership. All in all, well done chaps you've stated digging your own grave with a nuclear powered earthmover.
Zae'dra Xanthe Fist of the Goat	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:01:00 - [21] Edited by: Zae''dra Xanthe on 20/10/2006 01:00:53 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=402688 This is the link. THey gave you a week to surrender, not a time-table for its capture.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Find you the link? Go find it yourself. There are too many BoB threads (sad) to look through but it was said. I remember it clearly because when I read it I laughed. Silly goose. You gotta be kidding me. Bob's leadered offered paragon sole coporations one week to take their offer to move out. Nowhere in his post did he say anything about taking it in one week. Then again, with the hysterical leadership you have, I'm sure they misread that. But, hey if that is your big victory, well done.
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: Ferocious FeAr When the going gets bad? What is bad? I'd say: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) IS going bad, who wouldn't? Not too mention declining participation (accordign to your OWN leaders), losing 10 or so large POS in tpar. In fact, wht exactly are you doing well other than losign 3-5B isk in a freighter while killing the pilots who successfully killed YOUR freighter. Oh and seeing you feel the need to flame and insult me shows exactly how poorly you are doing. The fact that your leadership spend their time (when not house shopping-lol) berating their opponents by pretending to know how their real lives are (again lol) to justify their immense failures says enough for most of us not involved to make an educated opinion to how poorly you are doing. Not only have you lost badly in eve, but your standing has suffered immensealy on the galnet. Bob maybe makes fun of you and posts too much, but that is only because they have earned the right both on the field (by crushing you) and on here because of the personal attacks by your leadership. All in all, well done chaps you've stated digging your own grave with a nuclear powered earthmover. I'm sorry did you say something? ________________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:06:00 - [24] Edited by: Blacklight on 20/10/2006 01:09:43 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Find you the link? Go find it yourself. There are too many BoB threads (sad) to look through but it was said. I remember it clearly because when I read it I laughed. Silly goose. Oh dear, you really are not very good at this are you? We gave GQ2 corps 1 week to surrender. Please read that statement and explain to me where we state that we are going to take your space in one week? Edit: too many please's in one sentence!
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:10:00 - [25] Surrender for what reason blacklight? Obviously BoB had intent on behalf of that remark. It's called reading between the lines. ________________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:11:00 - [26] Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 20/10/2006 01:12:59 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: Ferocious FeAr When the going gets bad? What is bad? I'd say: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) IS going bad, who wouldn't? Not too mention declining participation (accordign to your OWN leaders), losing 10 or so large POS in tpar. In fact, wht exactly are you doing well other than losign 3-5B isk in a freighter while killing the pilots who successfully killed YOUR freighter. Oh and seeing you feel the need to flame and insult me shows exactly how poorly you are doing. The fact that your leadership spend their time (when not house shopping-lol) berating their opponents by pretending to know how their real lives are (again lol) to justify their immense failures says enough for most of us not involved to make an educated opinion to how poorly you are doing. Not only have you lost badly in eve, but your standing has suffered immensealy on the galnet. Bob maybe makes fun of you and posts too much, but that is only because they have earned the right both on the field (by crushing you) and on here because of the personal attacks by your leadership. All in all, well done chaps you've stated digging your own grave with a nuclear powered earthmover. I'm sorry did you say something? Whoa there, better get some ice for your head, it seems it is overheating. Honestly though, is that the best you can do? Once you have no discussion points left one liners are all you can do. Btw, who am I? A nobody who loves reading the Eve forums and watching alliances burn down. But, who are you? Some tolken in a corp with a ceo that couln't figure out how to name his corp. when creating it, or such an ego that he named the corp after himself? Yes, you certainly are the leet of ascn. But that is like being the least filthy pig in the pen. Go you!
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:12:00 - [27] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Surrender for what reason blacklight? Obviously BoB had intent on behalf of that remark. It's called reading between the lines. Surrender because we were giving them the opportunity of course.
Nahual Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:17:00 - [28] Edited by: Nahual on 20/10/2006 01:17:20 Originally by: Rod Blaine We're in this for the long haul, this a war, not a "frolicking". So how is goon fleet going? I hear they've made quite a comeback ----------------------------------------------- FateCorp
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Afonso Henriques Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 20/10/2006 01:12:59 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: Ferocious FeAr When the going gets bad? What is bad? I'd say: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) IS going bad, who wouldn't? Not too mention declining participation (accordign to your OWN leaders), losing 10 or so large POS in tpar. In fact, wht exactly are you doing well other than losign 3-5B isk in a freighter while killing the pilots who successfully killed YOUR freighter. Oh and seeing you feel the need to flame and insult me shows exactly how poorly you are doing. The fact that your leadership spend their time (when not house shopping-lol) berating their opponents by pretending to know how their real lives are (again lol) to justify their immense failures says enough for most of us not involved to make an educated opinion to how poorly you are doing. Not only have you lost badly in eve, but your standing has suffered immensealy on the galnet. Bob maybe makes fun of you and posts too much, but that is only because they have earned the right both on the field (by crushing you) and on here because of the personal attacks by your leadership. All in all, well done chaps you've stated digging your own grave with a nuclear powered earthmover. I'm sorry did you say something? Whoa there, better get some ice for your head, it seems it is overheating. Honestly though, is that the best you can do? Once you have no discussion points left one liners are all you can do. Btw, who am I? A nobody who loves reading the Eve forums and watching alliances burn down. But, who are you? Some tolken in a corp with a ceo that couln't figure out how to name his corp. when creating it, or such an ego that he named the corp after himself? Yes, you certainly are the leet of ascn. But that is like being the least filthy pig in the pen. Go you! I don't care who you are, never will. I don't care that you love to read the forums, go read a book then maybe you will know that Sha Kharn has a meaning behind it. I'm proud of being in Sha Kharn. ASCN may not be a pvp alliance but there are corps that hold their own weight. When you have a 5000 man alliance you are bound to have mixture of all talents. Don't ever speak of ASCN like you know us because you don't. Like I said previously, stick to your own alliance. ________________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:34:00 - [30] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Surrender for what reason blacklight? Obviously BoB had intent on behalf of that remark. It's called reading between the lines. The week was to give you opportunity to surrender. No one anywhere ever said "lol, we'll take you in a week" Comprehension skills ftw.
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:35:00 - [31] I've said it once before, and I'll say it again: This war was over before it even began. BoB is an elite PvP alliance. ASCN is an industrial alliance. Sure, they have their PvP wings - but fact of the matter is that BoB is the best of the best. This war is like a 3 year old going against Sun Tzu in a game of Risk. Or perhaps chess would be a better metaphor... That being said, I really do hope that ASCN proves me wrong and manages to win.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:35:00 - [32] Edited by: Blacklight on 20/10/2006 01:35:39 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr I don't care who you are, never will. I don't care that you love to read the forums, go read a book then maybe you will know that Sha Kharn has a meaning behind it. I'm proud of being in Sha Kharn. ASCN may not be a pvp alliance but there are corps that hold their own weight. When you have a 5000 man alliance you are bound to have mixture of all talents. Don't ever speak of ASCN like you know us because you don't. Like I said previously, stick to your own alliance. It's good that you have pride in your corp. It's not good that you tell porky pies or if I am being generous don't check your facts. I do like the fact that you make a particular point of saying "but there are corps that hold their own weight" though, yet another ASCN corp (rather like Madeye McGreedy's EDF) that likes to make that distinction. So there are ASCN corps that don't hold their on weight then? The alleged (but proven not very good) PvP corps in ASCN are presumably better than some of the other ASCN corps? You guys show more and more cr.acks in your unity every day.
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:35:00 - [33] I've said it once before, and I'll say it again: This war was over before it even began. BoB is an elite PvP alliance. ASCN is an industrial alliance. Sure, they have their PvP wings - but fact of the matter is that BoB is the best of the best. This war is like a 3 year old going against Sun Tzu in a game of Risk. Or perhaps chess would be a better metaphor... That being said, I really do hope that ASCN proves me wrong and manages to win.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:35:00 - [34] Edited by: Blacklight on 20/10/2006 01:35:39 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr I don't care who you are, never will. I don't care that you love to read the forums, go read a book then maybe you will know that Sha Kharn has a meaning behind it. I'm proud of being in Sha Kharn. ASCN may not be a pvp alliance but there are corps that hold their own weight. When you have a 5000 man alliance you are bound to have mixture of all talents. Don't ever speak of ASCN like you know us because you don't. Like I said previously, stick to your own alliance. It's good that you have pride in your corp. It's not good that you tell porky pies or if I am being generous don't check your facts. I do like the fact that you make a particular point of saying "but there are corps that hold their own weight" though, yet another ASCN corp (rather like Madeye McGreedy's EDF) that likes to make that distinction. So there are ASCN corps that don't hold their on weight then? The alleged (but proven not very good) PvP corps in ASCN are presumably better than some of the other ASCN corps? You guys show more and more cr.acks in your unity every day.
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:40:00 - [35] Originally by: Pestillence Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Surrender for what reason blacklight? Obviously BoB had intent on behalf of that remark. It's called reading between the lines. The week was to give you opportunity to surrender. No one anywhere ever said "lol, we'll take you in a week" Comprehension skills ftw. Sorry I don't memorize every forum comment. ________________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:40:00 - [36] Originally by: Pestillence Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Surrender for what reason blacklight? Obviously BoB had intent on behalf of that remark. It's called reading between the lines. The week was to give you opportunity to surrender. No one anywhere ever said "lol, we'll take you in a week" Comprehension skills ftw. Sorry I don't memorize every forum comment. ________________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:41:00 - [37] You know, the worst thing about this war is that it will end one day. Let's enjoy it while it lasts. The truth will set you free
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:41:00 - [38] You know, the worst thing about this war is that it will end one day. Let's enjoy it while it lasts. The truth will set you free
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:42:00 - [39] Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 20/10/2006 01:35:39 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr I don't care who you are, never will. I don't care that you love to read the forums, go read a book then maybe you will know that Sha Kharn has a meaning behind it. I'm proud of being in Sha Kharn. ASCN may not be a pvp alliance but there are corps that hold their own weight. When you have a 5000 man alliance you are bound to have mixture of all talents. Don't ever speak of ASCN like you know us because you don't. Like I said previously, stick to your own alliance. It's good that you have pride in your corp. It's not good that you tell porky pies or if I am being generous don't check your facts. I do like the fact that you make a particular point of saying "but there are corps that hold their own weight" though, yet another ASCN corp (rather like Madeye McGreedy's EDF) that likes to make that distinction. So there are ASCN corps that don't hold their on weight then? The alleged (but proven not very good) PvP corps in ASCN are presumably better than some of the other ASCN corps? You guys show more and more cr.acks in your unity every day. You really amaze me how you spin everything into drama, do you practice it or does it come naturally? ________________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:42:00 - [40] Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 20/10/2006 01:35:39 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr I don't care who you are, never will. I don't care that you love to read the forums, go read a book then maybe you will know that Sha Kharn has a meaning behind it. I'm proud of being in Sha Kharn. ASCN may not be a pvp alliance but there are corps that hold their own weight. When you have a 5000 man alliance you are bound to have mixture of all talents. Don't ever speak of ASCN like you know us because you don't. Like I said previously, stick to your own alliance. It's good that you have pride in your corp. It's not good that you tell porky pies or if I am being generous don't check your facts. I do like the fact that you make a particular point of saying "but there are corps that hold their own weight" though, yet another ASCN corp (rather like Madeye McGreedy's EDF) that likes to make that distinction. So there are ASCN corps that don't hold their on weight then? The alleged (but proven not very good) PvP corps in ASCN are presumably better than some of the other ASCN corps? You guys show more and more cr.acks in your unity every day. You really amaze me how you spin everything into drama, do you practice it or does it come naturally? ________________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:46:00 - [41] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr You really amaze me how you spin everything into drama, do you practice it or does it come naturally? So you really in your heart of hearts don't think that Sha Kharn are better than lots of other ASCN corps then? Really? In those sekrit places where you don't admit things to anyone but yourself? Hehe, I know you won't admit it but you guys have displayed on the forums often enough that you think you're better than lots of the other corps in your alliance. EDF does the same in their internal forums so your corp is not alone. Strength through unity brother
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr You really amaze me how you spin everything into drama, do you practice it or does it come naturally? So you really in your heart of hearts don't think that Sha Kharn are better than lots of other ASCN corps then? Really? In those sekrit places where you don't admit things to anyone but yourself? Hehe, I know you won't admit it but you guys have displayed on the forums often enough that you think you're better than lots of the other corps in your alliance. EDF does the same in their internal forums so your corp is not alone. Strength through unity brother
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:50:00 - [43] Originally by: Blacklight Strength through unity brother har har har, Unity through faith
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:50:00 - [44] Originally by: Blacklight Strength through unity brother har har har, Unity through faith
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:53:00 - [45] Blacklight, your BoBaganda won't work. Shak prides themselves on being one of the better pvp corps. Does that mean we are better than others? No. Does that mean we aren't better than others? No. We don't state we are the best we let the in game tactics work that out for us. We aren't going to put up great numbers all the time, no corp is capable of doing that. We all have bad days. ________________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:53:00 - [46] Blacklight, your BoBaganda won't work. Shak prides themselves on being one of the better pvp corps. Does that mean we are better than others? No. Does that mean we aren't better than others? No. We don't state we are the best we let the in game tactics work that out for us. We aren't going to put up great numbers all the time, no corp is capable of doing that. We all have bad days. ________________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:54:00 - [47] It is quite funny how INDIVIDUAL ASCN corps claim their stats are better in comparison to BOB which is AN ALLIANCE , are u guys seperating ur selves from the rest of ur alliance mates or is it an alliance VS corp comparison ? Either way it realy shows that ur moto strengh through unity is just a paradox "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:54:00 - [48] It is quite funny how INDIVIDUAL ASCN corps claim their stats are better in comparison to BOB which is AN ALLIANCE , are u guys seperating ur selves from the rest of ur alliance mates or is it an alliance VS corp comparison ? Either way it realy shows that ur moto strengh through unity is just a paradox "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
MessiahOfLight Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:58:00 - [49] Edited by: MessiahOfLight on 20/10/2006 01:58:06 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr I don't care who you are, never will. I don't care that you love to read the forums, go read a book then maybe you will know that Sha Kharn has a meaning behind it. I'm proud of being in Sha Kharn. As for your Corp name... dunno if reading a book will help there, but i have done a quick search about this Sha Kharn, i could only come up with Eve related stuff. You care to explain what that "meaning behind it" is? Because im pretty interested in that.
MessiahOfLight Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 01:58:00 - [50] Edited by: MessiahOfLight on 20/10/2006 01:58:06 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr I don't care who you are, never will. I don't care that you love to read the forums, go read a book then maybe you will know that Sha Kharn has a meaning behind it. I'm proud of being in Sha Kharn. As for your Corp name... dunno if reading a book will help there, but i have done a quick search about this Sha Kharn, i could only come up with Eve related stuff. You care to explain what that "meaning behind it" is? Because im pretty interested in that.
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.20 02:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Sorry I don't memorize every forum comment. You take the time to come on the forums to say "lol BoB said you'd take us in a week" You then come back later saying you don't memorise forum comments. If you are going to use them then perhaps you should memorise them so you get em right or not use em at all?
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.20 02:45:00 - [52] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Sorry I don't memorize every forum comment. You take the time to come on the forums to say "lol BoB said you'd take us in a week" You then come back later saying you don't memorise forum comments. If you are going to use them then perhaps you should memorise them so you get em right or not use em at all?
Zagum Darkfin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 03:38:00 - [53] I wonder if this troll is Remo's alt. Has the same clueless stare like Remo. Funny, I was outnumbered 7 to 1 while we were killing your Freighter. I guess Zagum > ASCN by your standards. LOL.
Zagum Darkfin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 03:38:00 - [54] I wonder if this troll is Remo's alt. Has the same clueless stare like Remo. Funny, I was outnumbered 7 to 1 while we were killing your Freighter. I guess Zagum > ASCN by your standards. LOL.
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.20 04:35:00 - [55] I don't see why anyone would get excited over that EvE Tribune dreck. That last issue was particularly unprofessional. In fact, I think it's pretty laughable that anyone defends it. BoB certainly don't need to, even if they managed to put some actual facts in one article (which could easily be gleamed from the forums, anyway). ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.20 04:35:00 - [56] I don't see why anyone would get excited over that EvE Tribune dreck. That last issue was particularly unprofessional. In fact, I think it's pretty laughable that anyone defends it. BoB certainly don't need to, even if they managed to put some actual facts in one article (which could easily be gleamed from the forums, anyway). ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.20 06:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Beringe I don't see why anyone would get excited over that EvE Tribune dreck. That last issue was particularly unprofessional. In fact, I think it's pretty laughable that anyone defends it. BoB certainly don't need to, even if they managed to put some actual facts in one article (which could easily be gleamed from the forums, anyway). look its not really a matter if that tribune article is 100% accurate or all biased bollox. Infact the guy putting alot of work into it is open for discussion and invites ppl to hand him information for his articles, in which he spends alot of time. Something we ALL have to salute him for. However it is about the line of excuses ASCN highcommand is falling back on. In the first week we had bob beeing gms, devs helping bob, bob hacking, bob exploiting. In the second week we had bob "committing crimes" (TS recordings), bob having no lifes. This week its the reporter beeing biased by bob and whatever else will follow. All of the above are accompanied by ASCN claiming to have captured TPAR, after that TCAG and now claiming they lose "equal" amounts of value due to bob fitting exspensive stuff etc. Sorry but as much as you want to class everything spin its fairly obvious which arguments are faulty and just a makeup to cover for bad leadership and bad military operations. P.S. i would discuss "measures of success" next but sadly rl calls.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.20 06:30:00 - [58] Originally by: Beringe I don't see why anyone would get excited over that EvE Tribune dreck. That last issue was particularly unprofessional. In fact, I think it's pretty laughable that anyone defends it. BoB certainly don't need to, even if they managed to put some actual facts in one article (which could easily be gleamed from the forums, anyway). look its not really a matter if that tribune article is 100% accurate or all biased bollox. Infact the guy putting alot of work into it is open for discussion and invites ppl to hand him information for his articles, in which he spends alot of time. Something we ALL have to salute him for. However it is about the line of excuses ASCN highcommand is falling back on. In the first week we had bob beeing gms, devs helping bob, bob hacking, bob exploiting. In the second week we had bob "committing crimes" (TS recordings), bob having no lifes. This week its the reporter beeing biased by bob and whatever else will follow. All of the above are accompanied by ASCN claiming to have captured TPAR, after that TCAG and now claiming they lose "equal" amounts of value due to bob fitting exspensive stuff etc. Sorry but as much as you want to class everything spin its fairly obvious which arguments are faulty and just a makeup to cover for bad leadership and bad military operations. P.S. i would discuss "measures of success" next but sadly rl calls.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.10.20 07:05:00 - [59] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Jebidus Skari Originally by: Roxanna Kell unfortunately i have no screen shots, but i have no reason to lie either. You're incapable of anything but lying tbh Yes indeed, you are incapable of, oh wait, who the f* are you? No dude, i didn't get booted. i was gonna get booted once for swearing at a director. the idiot took out all my loot and ammo out of my private POS and refined it. but hey, Post with your main noob. as far as iam concerned you could be john. pathetic little loosers don't bother me. Quote:** "Don't touch the red button!"
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.10.20 07:05:00 - [60] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Jebidus Skari Originally by: Roxanna Kell unfortunately i have no screen shots, but i have no reason to lie either. You're incapable of anything but lying tbh Yes indeed, you are incapable of, oh wait, who the f* are you? No dude, i didn't get booted. i was gonna get booted once for swearing at a director. the idiot took out all my loot and ammo out of my private POS and refined it. but hey, Post with your main noob. as far as iam concerned you could be john. pathetic little loosers don't bother me. Quote:** "Don't touch the red button!"
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.20 07:28:00 - [61] Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 20/10/2006 01:09:43 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Find you the link? Go find it yourself. There are too many BoB threads (sad) to look through but it was said. I remember it clearly because when I read it I laughed. Silly goose. Oh dear, you really are not very good at this are you? We gave GQ2 corps 1 week to surrender. Please read that statement and explain to me where we state that we are going to take your space in one week? Edit: too many please's in one sentence! Its true that BoB did not explicitly state they would take ASCN's space. It was, however, implied, and quite deliberately so. Otherwise, what would the point of that offer be? 'ASCN corps, you have 1 week to leave... but if you don't, absolutely nothing will happen to you'. Not exactly the scariest of outcomes, is it.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.20 07:28:00 - [62] Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 20/10/2006 01:09:43 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Find you the link? Go find it yourself. There are too many BoB threads (sad) to look through but it was said. I remember it clearly because when I read it I laughed. Silly goose. Oh dear, you really are not very good at this are you? We gave GQ2 corps 1 week to surrender. Please read that statement and explain to me where we state that we are going to take your space in one week? Edit: too many please's in one sentence! Its true that BoB did not explicitly state they would take ASCN's space. It was, however, implied, and quite deliberately so. Otherwise, what would the point of that offer be? 'ASCN corps, you have 1 week to leave... but if you don't, absolutely nothing will happen to you'. Not exactly the scariest of outcomes, is it.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.20 07:31:00 - [63] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel It is quite funny how INDIVIDUAL ASCN corps claim their stats are better in comparison to BOB which is AN ALLIANCE , are u guys seperating ur selves from the rest of ur alliance mates or is it an alliance VS corp comparison ? Either way it realy shows that ur moto strengh through unity is just a paradox It isnt funny, because ASCN is a hybrid alliance of many corporations. They have some mainly industrial corps, and other more PvP focused corps. It is quite natural that the PvP-focused corporations will be better than the mining ones. You can't directly compare your alliance to ASCN, they are structured very differently.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.20 07:31:00 - [64] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel It is quite funny how INDIVIDUAL ASCN corps claim their stats are better in comparison to BOB which is AN ALLIANCE , are u guys seperating ur selves from the rest of ur alliance mates or is it an alliance VS corp comparison ? Either way it realy shows that ur moto strengh through unity is just a paradox It isnt funny, because ASCN is a hybrid alliance of many corporations. They have some mainly industrial corps, and other more PvP focused corps. It is quite natural that the PvP-focused corporations will be better than the mining ones. You can't directly compare your alliance to ASCN, they are structured very differently.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.20 07:35:00 - [65] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr I'm sorry did you say something? If you are going to engage BoB on the forums, don't make posts like this. It won't do you any good. It makes you look like you have lost an arguement. If you are going to post, use reason and logic, don't get worked up.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.20 07:35:00 - [66] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr I'm sorry did you say something? If you are going to engage BoB on the forums, don't make posts like this. It won't do you any good. It makes you look like you have lost an arguement. If you are going to post, use reason and logic, don't get worked up.
Jonathan Fisher Galactic Security	Posted - 2006.10.20 07:37:00 - [67] Edited by: Jonathan Fisher on 20/10/2006 07:37:53 To mr. McCreedy: I am interested in providing as unbiased information on this war as is possible. I am also open to all criticism and am willing to correct my mistakes. I am also prepared to publish rebuttals in each article. I have contacted your aliiance's representative, SamuraiJack, via eve-mail BEFORE this article was published, and I received absolutely no response whatsoever. I asked whether it would be possible to receive your official version of events each Saturday night. In the interest of good journalism, I will ignore this attack on my objectivity and ONCE AGAIN invite ASCN to put me in contact with a representative authorised to issue statements. You will not bully me into twisting facts in ASCN's favour in order to appear objective. I will publish the information I have available and judge to be most probably true regardless of whether it favours BoB or ASCN. At this moment in time it favours BoB. You might have a top-secret plan that will become revealed within a week or two, and you might be purposefully misleading people into thinking that your alliance has serious problems. If this is the case, please do not attack the press for publishing your purposeful misdirecion. In addition, if you or any member of your alliance can prove that any BoB leader has lied to his members I will be happy to publish that. I will continue to disseminate lies told to common alliance members on both sides. If you continue to lie to your members to "raise" morale, I will again be "biased" in your eyes. The purpose of the press is to protect the citizens by informing them of the activities of their leaders, and of the real state of events. Help me have more accurate information that can be verified and I will be happy to publish it. - EVE Tribune -
Jonathan Fisher Galactic Security	Posted - 2006.10.20 07:37:00 - [68] Edited by: Jonathan Fisher on 20/10/2006 07:37:53 To mr. McCreedy: I am interested in providing as unbiased information on this war as is possible. I am also open to all criticism and am willing to correct my mistakes. I am also prepared to publish rebuttals in each article. I have contacted your aliiance's representative, SamuraiJack, via eve-mail BEFORE this article was published, and I received absolutely no response whatsoever. I asked whether it would be possible to receive your official version of events each Saturday night. In the interest of good journalism, I will ignore this attack on my objectivity and ONCE AGAIN invite ASCN to put me in contact with a representative authorised to issue statements. You will not bully me into twisting facts in ASCN's favour in order to appear objective. I will publish the information I have available and judge to be most probably true regardless of whether it favours BoB or ASCN. At this moment in time it favours BoB. You might have a top-secret plan that will become revealed within a week or two, and you might be purposefully misleading people into thinking that your alliance has serious problems. If this is the case, please do not attack the press for publishing your purposeful misdirecion. In addition, if you or any member of your alliance can prove that any BoB leader has lied to his members I will be happy to publish that. I will continue to disseminate lies told to common alliance members on both sides. If you continue to lie to your members to "raise" morale, I will again be "biased" in your eyes. The purpose of the press is to protect the citizens by informing them of the activities of their leaders, and of the real state of events. Help me have more accurate information that can be verified and I will be happy to publish it. - EVE Tribune -
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 07:49:00 - [69] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Ferocious FeAr I'm sorry did you say something? If you are going to engage BoB on the forums, don't make posts like this. It won't do you any good. It makes you look like you have lost an arguement. If you are going to post, use reason and logic, don't get worked up. Ah no, that was for the other alliance guy not BoB. Ermm the meaning of sha kharn, if you really want to know evemail sha kharn he told it to us a few nights ago so my explanation wouldn't be as accurate, it's a cool little background story. He tells it best. While we're at it, any reason behind that werid BoB corp name starts with T it's a bunch of letters, never understood that. ________________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 07:49:00 - [70] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Ferocious FeAr I'm sorry did you say something? If you are going to engage BoB on the forums, don't make posts like this. It won't do you any good. It makes you look like you have lost an arguement. If you are going to post, use reason and logic, don't get worked up. Ah no, that was for the other alliance guy not BoB. Ermm the meaning of sha kharn, if you really want to know evemail sha kharn he told it to us a few nights ago so my explanation wouldn't be as accurate, it's a cool little background story. He tells it best. While we're at it, any reason behind that werid BoB corp name starts with T it's a bunch of letters, never understood that. ________________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.20 08:02:00 - [71] Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/10/2006 08:02:27 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr While we're at it, any reason behind that werid BoB corp name starts with T it's a bunch of letters, never understood that. I think its a hangover from Homeworld.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.20 08:02:00 - [72] Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/10/2006 08:02:27 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr While we're at it, any reason behind that werid BoB corp name starts with T it's a bunch of letters, never understood that. I think its a hangover from Homeworld.
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 08:06:00 - [73] Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 20/10/2006 08:10:43 Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/10/2006 08:02:27 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr While we're at it, any reason behind that werid BoB corp name starts with T it's a bunch of letters, never understood that. I think its a hangover from Homeworld. http://wiki.reliccommunity.com/TAOSP Cookie for you sir. .... Real men use blasters
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 08:06:00 - [74] Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 20/10/2006 08:10:43 Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/10/2006 08:02:27 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr While we're at it, any reason behind that werid BoB corp name starts with T it's a bunch of letters, never understood that. I think its a hangover from Homeworld. http://wiki.reliccommunity.com/TAOSP Cookie for you sir. .... Real men use blasters
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.20 08:13:00 - [75] Edited by: Noluck Ned on 20/10/2006 08:15:14 Edited by: Noluck Ned on 20/10/2006 08:14:28 Originally by: Backdoor Bandit I just consulted my Magic 8-Ball, it told me to prepare for flamage. You have 8 Balls!!??!! Back on track, biased reporting 4tl F4T4L is Recruiting!
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.20 08:13:00 - [76] Edited by: Noluck Ned on 20/10/2006 08:15:14 Edited by: Noluck Ned on 20/10/2006 08:14:28 Originally by: Backdoor Bandit I just consulted my Magic 8-Ball, it told me to prepare for flamage. You have 8 Balls!!??!! Back on track, biased reporting 4tl F4T4L is Recruiting!
Chrony Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 08:43:00 - [77] Ahh dont worry about it so much McCreedy, we're leaving to play Pirates of the bunring Sea soon anyway... right?
Chrony Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 08:43:00 - [78] Ahh dont worry about it so much McCreedy, we're leaving to play Pirates of the bunring Sea soon anyway... right?
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 09:14:00 - [79] Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/10/2006 09:20:53 I lay a simple question to the feet of the ASCN command. If you are acheiving so much, how come you haven't killed a single BoB Battleship in two and a half days? In the same time your TCAG attempt has been neutered and all POS would have been destroyed except for the nice bug where the POS is in reinforced mode for 6 days. EDIT: we just destroyed another of your POS incase you hadn't been informed by your members. In the same time we have killed nearly 80 ASCN battleships and a couple of capital ships (freighter & carrier). I know you are a magnificent industrial alliance but if you need to replace 80 battleships, capital ships, freighter hauls and pos everyday when we don't need to replace anything at all is going to be interesting. Not that you can't replace it but why bother if you are losing it everyday for no reply. Thanks, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 09:14:00 - [80] Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/10/2006 09:20:53 I lay a simple question to the feet of the ASCN command. If you are acheiving so much, how come you haven't killed a single BoB Battleship in two and a half days? In the same time your TCAG attempt has been neutered and all POS would have been destroyed except for the nice bug where the POS is in reinforced mode for 6 days. EDIT: we just destroyed another of your POS incase you hadn't been informed by your members. In the same time we have killed nearly 80 ASCN battleships and a couple of capital ships (freighter & carrier). I know you are a magnificent industrial alliance but if you need to replace 80 battleships, capital ships, freighter hauls and pos everyday when we don't need to replace anything at all is going to be interesting. Not that you can't replace it but why bother if you are losing it everyday for no reply. Thanks, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
shuckstar Gallente Lords Of Guile Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.10.20 09:18:00 - [81] Quote: Eve Tribune as a tabliod that is more intersted in sensationalism rather than reporting on the facts /signed
shuckstar Gallente Lords Of Guile Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.10.20 09:18:00 - [82] Quote: Eve Tribune as a tabliod that is more intersted in sensationalism rather than reporting on the facts /signed
Bretonia Gallente Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 09:34:00 - [83] Hello mum im on TV ASCN pilots refrain from posting please. Lets keep it clean :) @ Bob ♥ and see you in tanq chaps ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------ [i]"I don't want to achieve i
Bretonia Gallente Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 09:34:00 - [84] Hello mum im on TV ASCN pilots refrain from posting please. Lets keep it clean :) @ Bob ♥ and see you in tanq chaps ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------ [i]"I don't want to achieve i
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.20 09:52:00 - [85] Originally by: Jonathan Fisher I am interested in providing as unbiased information on this war as is possible. I am also open to all criticism and am willing to correct my mistakes. I am also prepared to publish rebuttals in each article. Thats good to hear, because there are some parts of the article which are obviously taken from the forum wars which are heavily biased. for instance: Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morale wars Several serious morale hits were inflicted on ASCN last week, while Band of Brothers made a clever move which won part of the neutral forum crowd. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In future making statements like this, do not pass them off as fact when you cannot prove they are fact. You should instead say "it was speculated" or "people are suggesting that this happened" Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A TS sound recording was circulated that consisted of ASCN fleet commander issuing an order to his forces to "hit CTRL-Q" repeatedly. Although ASCN have claimed they saw BoB forces logging off occasionally, there is no confirmed instance of any BoB force logging off together in an organised manner, and while BoB claimed for a while that logging off is part of ASCN tactics for some time, this is first actual proof of that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You failed to mention the other side the argument that is still ongoing on these forums regarding the right of wrong of spys in alliances, and what people feel is and isn't acceptable. Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CEO of Eve Defence Force, a PvP corporation that is a part of the ASCN Group, John McCreedy appears to have twisted the facts in his favour several times now, as well as manipulated the statistics. One of his claimes was that EDF has a perfect record in fighting against BoB, which is a truly meaningless statistic, as the statistics are de facto claiming all ASCN kills as being EDF kills, and counting only EDF losses. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While the OP points out that your statement is again inaccurate, I am not even sure why this is mentioned at all? To me it seems like a personal attack, this whole subject could be summarised into small paragraph about how BOB are trying to break the morle of ASCN. I would simply say that both sides of arguments and speculation can be gathered from these forums, without the need to speak to BOB or ASCN, so saying that you had no contact with ASCN, in my book,is really not an excuse. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.20 09:52:00 - [86] Originally by: Jonathan Fisher I am interested in providing as unbiased information on this war as is possible. I am also open to all criticism and am willing to correct my mistakes. I am also prepared to publish rebuttals in each article. Thats good to hear, because there are some parts of the article which are obviously taken from the forum wars which are heavily biased. for instance: Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morale wars Several serious morale hits were inflicted on ASCN last week, while Band of Brothers made a clever move which won part of the neutral forum crowd. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In future making statements like this, do not pass them off as fact when you cannot prove they are fact. You should instead say "it was speculated" or "people are suggesting that this happened" Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A TS sound recording was circulated that consisted of ASCN fleet commander issuing an order to his forces to "hit CTRL-Q" repeatedly. Although ASCN have claimed they saw BoB forces logging off occasionally, there is no confirmed instance of any BoB force logging off together in an organised manner, and while BoB claimed for a while that logging off is part of ASCN tactics for some time, this is first actual proof of that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You failed to mention the other side the argument that is still ongoing on these forums regarding the right of wrong of spys in alliances, and what people feel is and isn't acceptable. Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CEO of Eve Defence Force, a PvP corporation that is a part of the ASCN Group, John McCreedy appears to have twisted the facts in his favour several times now, as well as manipulated the statistics. One of his claimes was that EDF has a perfect record in fighting against BoB, which is a truly meaningless statistic, as the statistics are de facto claiming all ASCN kills as being EDF kills, and counting only EDF losses. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While the OP points out that your statement is again inaccurate, I am not even sure why this is mentioned at all? To me it seems like a personal attack, this whole subject could be summarised into small paragraph about how BOB are trying to break the morle of ASCN. I would simply say that both sides of arguments and speculation can be gathered from these forums, without the need to speak to BOB or ASCN, so saying that you had no contact with ASCN, in my book,is really not an excuse. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:08:00 - [87] Edited by: eveceo1 on 20/10/2006 10:08:47 Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/10/2006 09:20:53 I lay a simple question to the feet of the ASCN command. If you are acheiving so much, how come you haven't killed a single BoB Battleship in two and a half days? In the same time your TCAG attempt has been neutered and all POS would have been destroyed except for the nice bug where the POS is in reinforced mode for 6 days. EDIT: we just destroyed another of your POS incase you hadn't been informed by your members. In the same time we have killed nearly 80 ASCN battleships and a couple of capital ships (freighter & carrier). I know you are a magnificent industrial alliance but if you need to replace 80 battleships, capital ships, freighter hauls and pos everyday when we don't need to replace anything at all is going to be interesting. Not that you can't replace it but why bother if you are losing it everyday for no reply. Thanks, dbp Enjoy your break from the forums? Anyway, you never cease to amaize me at how un-tactfull you are at making propoganda posts. For a start you point out they loose 80 battleships, thats fair enough, but to go on to say you dont need to replace anything at all, im sorry but that puts your credibility to put forth serious facts of this war even further down than it was before. Yes your a bob zealot, yes thats fine but to be good at propoganda you need to see the other sides of everything and make sure you cover them. But keep it up, you will learn one day. _______________ Yar!Ö
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:08:00 - [88] Edited by: eveceo1 on 20/10/2006 10:08:47 Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/10/2006 09:20:53 I lay a simple question to the feet of the ASCN command. If you are acheiving so much, how come you haven't killed a single BoB Battleship in two and a half days? In the same time your TCAG attempt has been neutered and all POS would have been destroyed except for the nice bug where the POS is in reinforced mode for 6 days. EDIT: we just destroyed another of your POS incase you hadn't been informed by your members. In the same time we have killed nearly 80 ASCN battleships and a couple of capital ships (freighter & carrier). I know you are a magnificent industrial alliance but if you need to replace 80 battleships, capital ships, freighter hauls and pos everyday when we don't need to replace anything at all is going to be interesting. Not that you can't replace it but why bother if you are losing it everyday for no reply. Thanks, dbp Enjoy your break from the forums? Anyway, you never cease to amaize me at how un-tactfull you are at making propoganda posts. For a start you point out they loose 80 battleships, thats fair enough, but to go on to say you dont need to replace anything at all, im sorry but that puts your credibility to put forth serious facts of this war even further down than it was before. Yes your a bob zealot, yes thats fine but to be good at propoganda you need to see the other sides of everything and make sure you cover them. But keep it up, you will learn one day. _______________ Yar!Ö
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:14:00 - [89] Originally by: eveceo1 Edited by: eveceo1 on 20/10/2006 10:08:47 Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/10/2006 09:20:53 I lay a simple question to the feet of the ASCN command. If you are acheiving so much, how come you haven't killed a single BoB Battleship in two and a half days? In the same time your TCAG attempt has been neutered and all POS would have been destroyed except for the nice bug where the POS is in reinforced mode for 6 days. EDIT: we just destroyed another of your POS incase you hadn't been informed by your members. In the same time we have killed nearly 80 ASCN battleships and a couple of capital ships (freighter & carrier). I know you are a magnificent industrial alliance but if you need to replace 80 battleships, capital ships, freighter hauls and pos everyday when we don't need to replace anything at all is going to be interesting. Not that you can't replace it but why bother if you are losing it everyday for no reply. Thanks, dbp Enjoy your break from the forums? Anyway, you never cease to amaize me at how un-tactfull you are at making propoganda posts. For a start you point out they loose 80 battleships, thats fair enough, but to go on to say you dont need to replace anything at all, im sorry but that puts your credibility to put forth serious facts of this war even further down than it was before. Yes your a bob zealot, yes thats fine but to be good at propoganda you need to see the other sides of everything and make sure you cover them. But keep it up, you will learn one day. hi aneu, hasnt that character been banned yet? Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:14:00 - [90] Originally by: eveceo1 Edited by: eveceo1 on 20/10/2006 10:08:47 Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/10/2006 09:20:53 I lay a simple question to the feet of the ASCN command. If you are acheiving so much, how come you haven't killed a single BoB Battleship in two and a half days? In the same time your TCAG attempt has been neutered and all POS would have been destroyed except for the nice bug where the POS is in reinforced mode for 6 days. EDIT: we just destroyed another of your POS incase you hadn't been informed by your members. In the same time we have killed nearly 80 ASCN battleships and a couple of capital ships (freighter & carrier). I know you are a magnificent industrial alliance but if you need to replace 80 battleships, capital ships, freighter hauls and pos everyday when we don't need to replace anything at all is going to be interesting. Not that you can't replace it but why bother if you are losing it everyday for no reply. Thanks, dbp Enjoy your break from the forums? Anyway, you never cease to amaize me at how un-tactfull you are at making propoganda posts. For a start you point out they loose 80 battleships, thats fair enough, but to go on to say you dont need to replace anything at all, im sorry but that puts your credibility to put forth serious facts of this war even further down than it was before. Yes your a bob zealot, yes thats fine but to be good at propoganda you need to see the other sides of everything and make sure you cover them. But keep it up, you will learn one day. hi aneu, hasnt that character been banned yet? Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:16:00 - [91] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel It is quite funny how INDIVIDUAL ASCN corps claim their stats are better in comparison to BOB which is AN ALLIANCE , are u guys seperating ur selves from the rest of ur alliance mates or is it an alliance VS corp comparison ? Either way it realy shows that ur moto strengh through unity is just a paradox It isnt funny, because ASCN is a hybrid alliance of many corporations. They have some mainly industrial corps, and other more PvP focused corps. It is quite natural that the PvP-focused corporations will be better than the mining ones. You can't directly compare your alliance to ASCN, they are structured very differently. Agin u fail to grasp the point and spin in a diff direction. An alliance is a signle entity and is dealt as such , trying to boost single corp achievemnts is just digging thorn in ur own back side and makign u look more like a fool. For instance u dont see LV boosting about their K/l Ratio in a single battle with RA saying that they are better which is basicly saying they are good and they are carring out the war whiel their own alliance m8s aint this is just digging more trenches between alliance corp and will create internal fued for sure since indivualism should exist in an alliance. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:16:00 - [92] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel It is quite funny how INDIVIDUAL ASCN corps claim their stats are better in comparison to BOB which is AN ALLIANCE , are u guys seperating ur selves from the rest of ur alliance mates or is it an alliance VS corp comparison ? Either way it realy shows that ur moto strengh through unity is just a paradox It isnt funny, because ASCN is a hybrid alliance of many corporations. They have some mainly industrial corps, and other more PvP focused corps. It is quite natural that the PvP-focused corporations will be better than the mining ones. You can't directly compare your alliance to ASCN, they are structured very differently. Agin u fail to grasp the point and spin in a diff direction. An alliance is a signle entity and is dealt as such , trying to boost single corp achievemnts is just digging thorn in ur own back side and makign u look more like a fool. For instance u dont see LV boosting about their K/l Ratio in a single battle with RA saying that they are better which is basicly saying they are good and they are carring out the war whiel their own alliance m8s aint this is just digging more trenches between alliance corp and will create internal fued for sure since indivualism should exist in an alliance. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:27:00 - [93] BoB, ignore the trolls who have no place posting in this war. That would include the aneu's alt and the other self professed alt - butter dog. If ASCN wish to respond they can but don't get bogged down in a random flame war with pilots who don't know their port thrusters from thier rear aft megabeams. cheers, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:27:00 - [94] BoB, ignore the trolls who have no place posting in this war. That would include the aneu's alt and the other self professed alt - butter dog. If ASCN wish to respond they can but don't get bogged down in a random flame war with pilots who don't know their port thrusters from thier rear aft megabeams. cheers, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:28:00 - [95] Originally by: DB Preacher BoB, ignore the trolls who have no place posting in this war. That would include the aneu's alt and the other self professed alt - butter dog. If ASCN wish to respond they can but don't get bogged down in a random flame war with pilots who don't know their port thrusters from thier rear aft megabeams. cheers, dbp DBP SAW THE LIGHT OMG Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:28:00 - [96] Originally by: DB Preacher BoB, ignore the trolls who have no place posting in this war. That would include the aneu's alt and the other self professed alt - butter dog. If ASCN wish to respond they can but don't get bogged down in a random flame war with pilots who don't know their port thrusters from thier rear aft megabeams. cheers, dbp DBP SAW THE LIGHT OMG Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:29:00 - [97] Edited by: Buxaroo on 20/10/2006 10:30:52 Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 20/10/2006 01:35:39 I do like the fact that you make a particular point of saying "but there are corps that hold their own weight" though, yet another ASCN corp (rather like Madeye McGreedy's EDF) that likes to make that distinction. So there are ASCN corps that don't hold their on weight then? The alleged (but proven not very good) PvP corps in ASCN are presumably better than some of the other ASCN corps? You guys show more and more cr.acks in your unity every day. I think everyone who is in an alliance should learn from this particular paragraph and last sentence. This is what sets the long lasting alliance apart from the dead alliances. I am sure there are certain corps in ASCN that are better at PVP than most, but if they talk about how much better they are compared to other corps in the alliance then this will sow discord and mistrust and others who aren't considered "good" will feel left out and start to plot for themselves instead of going full force into the war effort. This is and has always been BoB's strength. Regardless of who is better, RKK or DICE or EVOL or whatever, they all speak and shoot as one. That is the strength which is needed for an alliance to survive and win. This may or maynot be going on in ASCN, I have no idea. For all I know ASCN's corps are working as one and just hitting speed bumps in the path of this war. And possibly Blacklight's trying to create this rift just by suggesting it is happening, thus instituting a manifest destiny so to speak. Nontheless, a good leadership supports their groups, even though some might do a lot more than others and should try to be sort of a cheer leader for everyone involved, get them on the same page, make them feel they are contributing to the effort just as much as the pvpers. Lead by example I always say, try to bring people up, don't put them down. It works.
Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:29:00 - [98] Edited by: Buxaroo on 20/10/2006 10:30:52 Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 20/10/2006 01:35:39 I do like the fact that you make a particular point of saying "but there are corps that hold their own weight" though, yet another ASCN corp (rather like Madeye McGreedy's EDF) that likes to make that distinction. So there are ASCN corps that don't hold their on weight then? The alleged (but proven not very good) PvP corps in ASCN are presumably better than some of the other ASCN corps? You guys show more and more cr.acks in your unity every day. I think everyone who is in an alliance should learn from this particular paragraph and last sentence. This is what sets the long lasting alliance apart from the dead alliances. I am sure there are certain corps in ASCN that are better at PVP than most, but if they talk about how much better they are compared to other corps in the alliance then this will sow discord and mistrust and others who aren't considered "good" will feel left out and start to plot for themselves instead of going full force into the war effort. This is and has always been BoB's strength. Regardless of who is better, RKK or DICE or EVOL or whatever, they all speak and shoot as one. That is the strength which is needed for an alliance to survive and win. This may or maynot be going on in ASCN, I have no idea. For all I know ASCN's corps are working as one and just hitting speed bumps in the path of this war. And possibly Blacklight's trying to create this rift just by suggesting it is happening, thus instituting a manifest destiny so to speak. Nontheless, a good leadership supports their groups, even though some might do a lot more than others and should try to be sort of a cheer leader for everyone involved, get them on the same page, make them feel they are contributing to the effort just as much as the pvpers. Lead by example I always say, try to bring people up, don't put them down. It works.
IntegralHellsing Gallente Blazing Saddles	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:03:00 - [99] @Creedy: you should have learnt by now that ASCN killboard is somewhat 'downsizing the losses'. Where is the freighter loss mail in your killboard? Where is the dread losses? (think there are 2, but i only see 1.) The thing is, we cannot trust that ASCN killboard is accurate enough. the 45% efficiency figure is wrong, as some people don't bother posting their loss. Also, count the items lost. Whatever was in that freighter costed a lot and it probably worth couple of billions. Therefore I would say the figure would be somewhere between 35 to 45%, but not OVER 45%. ps. will write more. ------------------------------
IntegralHellsing Gallente Blazing Saddles	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:03:00 - [100] @Creedy: you should have learnt by now that ASCN killboard is somewhat 'downsizing the losses'. Where is the freighter loss mail in your killboard? Where is the dread losses? (think there are 2, but i only see 1.) The thing is, we cannot trust that ASCN killboard is accurate enough. the 45% efficiency figure is wrong, as some people don't bother posting their loss. Also, count the items lost. Whatever was in that freighter costed a lot and it probably worth couple of billions. Therefore I would say the figure would be somewhere between 35 to 45%, but not OVER 45%. ps. will write more. ------------------------------
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:17:00 - [101] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/10/2006 11:19:16 I'd say 35% would be much too kind to their warped reality. I'd personally put it at maybe 20%, as a kind estimate. I'm sure you can actually make a fair guess yourself by adding up the ship kills ASCN have posted versus the kills we have posted and attributing a fair average cost of loss to each type based on production cost of ship and fittings. I'm also fairly sure that one of us with the right access can provide all that info on your request. If you do however, prepare to be told how BoB fit only tech2 and faction items yet ASCN only fit tech1. But such is the world of Ascenia, a strange and beautifull place.... /me yawns and goes off for coffee Old blog
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:17:00 - [102] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/10/2006 11:19:16 I'd say 35% would be much too kind to their warped reality. I'd personally put it at maybe 20%, as a kind estimate. I'm sure you can actually make a fair guess yourself by adding up the ship kills ASCN have posted versus the kills we have posted and attributing a fair average cost of loss to each type based on production cost of ship and fittings. I'm also fairly sure that one of us with the right access can provide all that info on your request. If you do however, prepare to be told how BoB fit only tech2 and faction items yet ASCN only fit tech1. But such is the world of Ascenia, a strange and beautifull place.... /me yawns and goes off for coffee Old blog
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:26:00 - [103] The frustrating thing for me about threads like this is that people who are nowhere near the fighting get their info from them. Bad enough that the fanbois are juggling with words, with no understanding of their value, but it is worse that those members of ASCN who don't see the war in person are subjected to this. The thing I love about BoB is that the leadership means what it says, and says what it means. I know. I am there, in person, to witness it. They don't feel the need to lie to the members of the alliance. No need to twist or spin what is happening. The majority of the alliance are involved. We know what is happening because we are part of it. ASCN, however, due to the structure of their alliance, have a far lower percentage of their members actually experiencing the war first hand. They know what they are told, and only what they are told. They aren't stupid people, but if the only information they get is the filtered and warped output from the McCreedy propoganda engine, how can we expect them to know any better? Ultimately the McCreedy files will be seen as the lies they are, not just by BoB, but eventually by the whole membership of ASCN. When that day comes, it may be that McCreedy can justify his propoganda to his membership, and they will accept it as a needed tactic in the war to hold the alliance together. However, I fear that may not be the case. Put yourself in the shoes of the day-to-day ASCN membership. How would you feel when you realised that McCreedy is not only a failure and a fraud, but that he lied to cover it up, making you look like fools for believing him? I'd be a touch annoyed, to put it mildly. Still, no matter how unfortunate this all is for ASCN, I am taking some sort of sadistic pleasure in watching McCreedy flailing about, aportioning blame on anything he can. It is like a car wreck. I know it is morbid, but I just can't help but take another look. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:26:00 - [104] The frustrating thing for me about threads like this is that people who are nowhere near the fighting get their info from them. Bad enough that the fanbois are juggling with words, with no understanding of their value, but it is worse that those members of ASCN who don't see the war in person are subjected to this. The thing I love about BoB is that the leadership means what it says, and says what it means. I know. I am there, in person, to witness it. They don't feel the need to lie to the members of the alliance. No need to twist or spin what is happening. The majority of the alliance are involved. We know what is happening because we are part of it. ASCN, however, due to the structure of their alliance, have a far lower percentage of their members actually experiencing the war first hand. They know what they are told, and only what they are told. They aren't stupid people, but if the only information they get is the filtered and warped output from the McCreedy propoganda engine, how can we expect them to know any better? Ultimately the McCreedy files will be seen as the lies they are, not just by BoB, but eventually by the whole membership of ASCN. When that day comes, it may be that McCreedy can justify his propoganda to his membership, and they will accept it as a needed tactic in the war to hold the alliance together. However, I fear that may not be the case. Put yourself in the shoes of the day-to-day ASCN membership. How would you feel when you realised that McCreedy is not only a failure and a fraud, but that he lied to cover it up, making you look like fools for believing him? I'd be a touch annoyed, to put it mildly. Still, no matter how unfortunate this all is for ASCN, I am taking some sort of sadistic pleasure in watching McCreedy flailing about, aportioning blame on anything he can. It is like a car wreck. I know it is morbid, but I just can't help but take another look. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:39:00 - [105] When we contracted both with and against CLS, they maintained the killboard was only used internally for bonuses of kills and ship replacement purposes. While posting kills was generally not a problem (earns you a bonus), they seemed genuinely put off by the idea of posting losses. Don't get me wrong, it's how they run their corp/alliance and it's their business. However, there are two main consequences I see from such an action: 1) Making an inaccurate KB public yet qualifying it saying it's only for internal replacement/number crunching isn't very honest. 2) Using said inaccurate killboard as a method to rally troops and/or postulate on the success of a war campaign is just horrible and can serve no honest purpose. I'd recommend either making the KB private (only for internal book keeping, etc) or enforcing a strict 100% accountability for your public KB. Not like I give a toss, just trying to help you out John... LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:39:00 - [106] When we contracted both with and against CLS, they maintained the killboard was only used internally for bonuses of kills and ship replacement purposes. While posting kills was generally not a problem (earns you a bonus), they seemed genuinely put off by the idea of posting losses. Don't get me wrong, it's how they run their corp/alliance and it's their business. However, there are two main consequences I see from such an action: 1) Making an inaccurate KB public yet qualifying it saying it's only for internal replacement/number crunching isn't very honest. 2) Using said inaccurate killboard as a method to rally troops and/or postulate on the success of a war campaign is just horrible and can serve no honest purpose. I'd recommend either making the KB private (only for internal book keeping, etc) or enforcing a strict 100% accountability for your public KB. Not like I give a toss, just trying to help you out John... LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:41:00 - [107] Eve Tribune reports what it hears. Want it to hear something else I am sure they would love to get first hand information from ASCN. I dont know how big the Tribune is but I bet they'd love to have a reporter imbedded in ASCN forces (oh I hear the screams of alt spy now). The killboards are largely discredited as sources of information because of inaccurate recording. Put simply if you dont like the way the news is being broadcast alter the message. The first casualty of war is the truth, is quoted so often because it right. Maybe it is important to you to put a spin on the war, but it is not going to be won or lost on these forums. This war will be "won" by those willing/able to take the most damage and perhaps the winner will still be strong enough to defend whatever it has laid claim to in victory.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:41:00 - [108] Eve Tribune reports what it hears. Want it to hear something else I am sure they would love to get first hand information from ASCN. I dont know how big the Tribune is but I bet they'd love to have a reporter imbedded in ASCN forces (oh I hear the screams of alt spy now). The killboards are largely discredited as sources of information because of inaccurate recording. Put simply if you dont like the way the news is being broadcast alter the message. The first casualty of war is the truth, is quoted so often because it right. Maybe it is important to you to put a spin on the war, but it is not going to be won or lost on these forums. This war will be "won" by those willing/able to take the most damage and perhaps the winner will still be strong enough to defend whatever it has laid claim to in victory.
Goktar illiat Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:31:00 - [109] Originally by: BOB bla bla bla yadda yadda yadda drivel etc GO GO ASCN !
Lexor SLice Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:53:00 - [110] someone lock this, my eyes are hurting. i'll be honest, this is a turkey shoot. but at the same time, i havent been able to just log in and take a gang roaming to just have fun and shoot stuff for a while, easy fighitng is nice once in a while. and although last night i ran across 3 ascn pilots who shouted things in local, egaged me, and abruptly logged off, i've still had a good time. Everyone could stand to remember this is a game damnit, relax. ____________________________________________
NeoTech Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:01:00 - [111] Originally by: Lexor SLice Everyone could stand to remember this is a game damnit, relax. /agreed wait, did i just agree with a BoB? ;)
Rally Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:04:00 - [112] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Surrender for what reason blacklight? Obviously BoB had intent on behalf of that remark. It's called reading between the lines. Can you some where inbetween those lines read that we all are leaving for Pirates of the Burning Sea? Nice seaà WeÆll burn it!
Mang0o Caldari Cosmic Fusion	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:11:00 - [113] <--- BOB! I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris
Coupo Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:18:00 - [114] mangoo hit a new low and broke through the barrier to the void beyond it would seem I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
Mang0o Caldari Cosmic Fusion	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:19:00 - [115] Edited by: Mang0o on 20/10/2006 13:22:02 Originally by: Coupo mangoo hit a new low and broke through the barrier to the void beyond it would seem thats bob doing the "happy dance" after you kill a BS but i took it down.. or ill get banned.. but it was so funny I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris
Joram McRory Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:37:00 - [116] Originally by: Avon The frustrating thing for me...... I don't often agree with Avon, but I do admire his ability to post on these forums in a mature and sensible fashion without resorting to personal attacks and smack. Respect Joram http://www.pbase.com/calis
Remmington Daniels Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:48:00 - [117] Originally by: Mang0o Edited by: Mang0o on 20/10/2006 13:22:02 Originally by: Coupo mangoo hit a new low and broke through the barrier to the void beyond it would seem thats bob doing the "happy dance" after you kill a BS but i took it down.. or ill get banned.. but it was so funny I fail to see the humour. It was about as funny as hemeroids. You are one sick child. On the flip side John Your posts make me laugh keep em coming. oh and just to reiterate the whole "there is no bob in ASCN space thing" you've got going on well... I seem to remember TCAG is part of ASCN space and your fleet wont even leave the 10-10 pos until your numbers are 4:1.
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:53:00 - [118] Quote: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) ASCN have lost 2 Dreadnaughts and killed 0 (2 û 0) ASCN have lost 5 Carriers and killed 0 (5 û 0) ASCN have lost 1369 Capsules* and killed 191 (7.2 û 1) Ahh..... BOB propaganda again. Looking at the ASCN killboard, 122 bs from bob killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 275 BOB capsule killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 423 BOB interceptor killmails on ASCN killboards That probably explains alot. BOB turn up with ceptors and then come here claiming great BS ratios. The ceptor kill ratio is like 2 to 1 against bob. HACs are worse. Nicely omitted from the above.
KIATolon Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:58:00 - [119] Originally by: Metal Dude You know what's LAME? What that recording contained. It's LAME to tell your members to log out after jumping in to a hostile camp to avoid loses. That's what's really LAME. The recording was just proof and if it was not posted, it would have been denied. If proof of Lameness is LAME, then be it. Like BoB did in Y9G agaist Goonfleet?
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:08:00 - [120] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Originally by: Afonso Henriques Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 20/10/2006 01:12:59 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: Ferocious FeAr When the going gets bad? What is bad? I'd say: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) IS going bad, who wouldn't? Not too mention declining participation (accordign to your OWN leaders), losing 10 or so large POS in tpar. In fact, wht exactly are you doing well other than losign 3-5B isk in a freighter while killing the pilots who successfully killed YOUR freighter. Oh and seeing you feel the need to flame and insult me shows exactly how poorly you are doing. The fact that your leadership spend their time (when not house shopping-lol) berating their opponents by pretending to know how their real lives are (again lol) to justify their immense failures says enough for most of us not involved to make an educated opinion to how poorly you are doing. Not only have you lost badly in eve, but your standing has suffered immensealy on the galnet. Bob maybe makes fun of you and posts too much, but that is only because they have earned the right both on the field (by crushing you) and on here because of the personal attacks by your leadership. All in all, well done chaps you've stated digging your own grave with a nuclear powered earthmover. I'm sorry did you say something? Whoa there, better get some ice for your head, it seems it is overheating. Honestly though, is that the best you can do? Once you have no discussion points left one liners are all you can do. Btw, who am I? A nobody who loves reading the Eve forums and watching alliances burn down. But, who are you? Some tolken in a corp with a ceo that couln't figure out how to name his corp. when creating it, or such an ego that he named the corp after himself? Yes, you certainly are the leet of ascn. But that is like being the least filthy pig in the pen. Go you! I don't care who you are, never will. I don't care that you love to read the forums, go read a book then maybe you will know that Sha Kharn has a meaning behind it. I'm proud of being in Sha Kharn. ASCN may not be a pvp alliance but there are corps that hold their own weight. When you have a 5000 man alliance you are bound to have mixture of all talents. Don't ever speak of ASCN like you know us because you don't. Like I said previously, stick to your own alliance. that there is your problem. To much seperation amoung ASCN.. Until you fix that problem you guys are gonna keep loosing. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:08:00 - [121] Originally by: Mang0o Edited by: Mang0o on 20/10/2006 13:22:02 Originally by: Coupo mangoo hit a new low and broke through the barrier to the void beyond it would seem thats bob doing the "happy dance" after you kill a BS but i took it down.. or ill get banned.. but it was so funny wait, didn;t you bail on ascn less than a week into the war? please insert your weak excuses here.......... thanks
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:10:00 - [122] Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 20/10/2006 14:12:00 Originally by: McMike Quote: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) ASCN have lost 2 Dreadnaughts and killed 0 (2 û 0) ASCN have lost 5 Carriers and killed 0 (5 û 0) ASCN have lost 1369 Capsules* and killed 191 (7.2 û 1) Ahh..... BOB propaganda again. Looking at the ASCN killboard, 122 bs from bob killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 275 BOB capsule killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 423 BOB interceptor killmails on ASCN killboards That probably explains alot. BOB turn up with ceptors and then come here claiming great BS ratios. The ceptor kill ratio is like 2 to 1 against bob. HACs are worse. Nicely omitted from the above. I thought you'd avoid posting about kilsl and losses since you got owned so badly last tim with your participation kills. But, I do enjoy a good trainwreck, so please carry on. How is xetic doing by the way? Oh and don;t forget the titan bob ost on ascn's killbaord. It is SO accurate, lol.
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:15:00 - [123] Quote: I thought you'd avoid posting about kilsl and losses since you got owned so badly last tim with your participation kills. But, I do enjoy a good trainwreck, so please carry on. How is xetic doing by the way? Oh and don;t forget the titan bob ost on ascn's killbaord. It is SO accurate, lol. Dear BOB fanboy, Either the killmails are faked or not. I'm rather doubtful that either side would fake mail (as opposed to lazy players not posting). Thus, BOB killsmails on ASCN are accurate, their losses are not. ASCN killmails on BOB are accurate, their losses are not. There combination of the two is probably a much clearer picture.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:16:00 - [124] Edited by: LUKEC on 20/10/2006 14:16:30 Originally by: McMike Quote: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) ASCN have lost 2 Dreadnaughts and killed 0 (2 û 0) ASCN have lost 5 Carriers and killed 0 (5 û 0) ASCN have lost 1369 Capsules* and killed 191 (7.2 û 1) Ahh..... BOB propaganda again. Looking at the ASCN killboard, 122 bs from bob killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 275 BOB capsule killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 423 BOB interceptor killmails on ASCN killboards That probably explains alot. BOB turn up with ceptors and then come here claiming great BS ratios. The ceptor kill ratio is like 2 to 1 against bob. HACs are worse. Nicely omitted from the above. Just before they start patting your back, check resident corp killboards and you will realize that they don't do THAT bad (hi cybercop). Also cruisers were ommited. And fact that we lost only half as much intys than they lost battleships, is SOOO frustrating for us.
Massao Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:23:00 - [125] Originally by: McMike Either the killmails are faked or not. Both Titan mails on the ascn killboard are indeed fake. We've also seen instances of ASCN pilots faking smaller ship mails aswell (Hello to Valoras' vagabond of a thousand lives in particular).
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:30:00 - [126] Originally by: McMike Quote: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) ASCN have lost 2 Dreadnaughts and killed 0 (2 û 0) ASCN have lost 5 Carriers and killed 0 (5 û 0) ASCN have lost 1369 Capsules* and killed 191 (7.2 û 1) Ahh..... BOB propaganda again. Looking at the ASCN killboard, 122 bs from bob killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 275 BOB capsule killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 423 BOB interceptor killmails on ASCN killboards That probably explains alot. BOB turn up with ceptors and then come here claiming great BS ratios. The ceptor kill ratio is like 2 to 1 against bob. HACs are worse. Nicely omitted from the above. -Resident corps are not slaves so troll somewhere else. -They dont carry BOB alliance ticker so i relay dotn udnerstand how u wanna stick them into the argument or is it just another desperate attempt to make the ASCN slaugher looks lesser??? -If there are killmails that aint on BOB killboards just mail the CEO as it has been said 100000 times already , not that hard. -ASCN killboard credaiblity is not realy the best imo after that fake titan killmail but anyhow let this be as it may be. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:36:00 - [127] Originally by: McMike Quote: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) ASCN have lost 2 Dreadnaughts and killed 0 (2 û 0) ASCN have lost 5 Carriers and killed 0 (5 û 0) ASCN have lost 1369 Capsules* and killed 191 (7.2 û 1) Ahh..... BOB propaganda again. Looking at the ASCN killboard, 122 bs from bob killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 275 BOB capsule killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 423 BOB interceptor killmails on ASCN killboards That probably explains alot. BOB turn up with ceptors and then come here claiming great BS ratios. The ceptor kill ratio is like 2 to 1 against bob. HACs are worse. Nicely omitted from the above. I haven't seen you in TCAG-3, so I'm quite impressed by your clear insight. We've been there camping the gates/hostile POS with our battleships day after day, waiting for someone in ASCN to actually take command and rally their superior numbers in local together to come and attack us. Occasionally it has happened, and we've had a few good fights (and a few turkey shoots), but for the most part it's been fairly quiet in TCAG. However, we're not content to watch people hug their POS all day, so while waiting for them to come out of reinforced and if there's no sign of a fight on the horizon, yes, we will switch to roaming gangs of interceptors and HACs and go harass the people that those in TCAG claim to be protecting. ASCN seem to be attempting to do something similar in Delve, but prefer to use tech I frigates and cruisers instead, which is their choice I suppose. They don't generally seem to have the same luck as us though (I'm not aware of a BoB carrier being found and ganked in a belt in their home system for example, whereas we were able to kill an ASCN thanatos without resistance sitting in an ice belt in AZN-D2). We choose to use tech II ships because we can afford to and because we have easy access to it - I'd have thought that being the industrial power house it is, ASCN would be in a similar position, but apparently not (and please don't bring up the tired old line that ASCN are all newbs that can't use tech II, a quick glance at my loss mails will reveal that's not the case). --- Wave of Mutilation 2
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:42:00 - [128] Quote: -Resident corps are not slaves so troll somewhere else. -They dont carry BOB alliance ticker so i relay dotn udnerstand how u wanna stick them into the argument or is it just another desperate attempt to make the ASCN slaugher looks lesser??? -If there are killmails that aint on BOB killboards just mail the CEO as it has been said 100000 times already , not that hard. -ASCN killboard credaiblity is not realy the best imo after that fake titan killmail but anyhow let this be as it may be. Oh.. that titan killmail rocked the eve community! ASCN credibility is shot. When I saw it I thought, hey, this is really really low. I mean compared to BOB's forum spying, posting private content on public forums, general forum whoring, using TS spys to get advantages in fleet battles, there really is no comparison. Oh, the joy of BOB preaching about credaiblity.
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:43:00 - [129] Quote: I haven't seen you in TCAG-3, so I'm quite impressed by your clear insight. Killboards. Lots of dead ceptors, I'm assuming your using them alot.
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:47:00 - [130] Originally by: McMike Quote: I haven't seen you in TCAG-3, so I'm quite impressed by your clear insight. Killboards. Lots of dead ceptors, I'm assuming your using them alot. Nope our killboard has no listing for you. So yeah dead ceptors. We make use of more t2 ships because we can get them cheap as chips. Hacs no problem we manufacture a lot of them ourselves, inty's are'nt much more expensive than a rifter for us tbh. So yeah all your supposed ceptor kills have done loads of damage to our wallets well done.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:49:00 - [131] Originally by: McMike Quote: I haven't seen you in TCAG-3, so I'm quite impressed by your clear insight. Killboards. Lots of dead ceptors, I'm assuming your using them alot. That is the best you can come up with? game set match tbfh
Umbriele Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:54:00 - [132] We are at war, really? I must keep it in mind next time I bring my hauler from period basis to empire full of zydrine to sell
Zrevak Ashek The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:08:00 - [133] Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 20/10/2006 15:09:39 BOB use battleships alot, its just that they are hard to get. Normally, they will have a squadron of interceptors by a gate and just wait for an enemy fleet to jump in. Once that happens, their BS fleet warps to the area at about 100 km from enemy fleet, immedeately align to a warp out point. They use jammers and release drones to neutralize or kill off incoming tacklers. When one of their bs's are made primary, they warp to safe and warp back again at warp in point usually 200km from enemy fleet. When their enemy is called primary and warp out, they will get him when he comes back as he wont have time to realign. They win alot of fleetbattles using this tactic
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:09:00 - [134] Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/10/2006 15:09:55 Originally by: Zrevak Ashek They use jammers and release drones to neutralize or kill off incoming tacklers. Nah, we very rarely use jammers or drones. Also, we mix up our tactics alot and never really on one trick which is why we win alot. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:10:00 - [135] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 20/10/2006 15:09:39 BOB use battleships alot, its just that they are hard to get. Normally, they will have a squadron of interceptors by a gate and just wait for an enemy fleet to jump in. Once that happens, their BS fleet warps to the area at about 100 km from enemy fleet, immedeately align to a warp out point. They use jammers and release drones to neutralize or kill off incoming tacklers. When one of their bs's are made primary, they warp to safe and warp back again at warp in point usually 200km from enemy fleet. When their enemy is called primary and warp out, they will get him when he comes back as he wont have time to realign. They win alot of fleetbattles using this tactic umm those are not drones.. and your insight to how we fight just goes to show you dont know ***t ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Zrevak Ashek The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:20:00 - [136] Oh, so I dont know **** Whatever u say
Fendragun Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:49:00 - [137] i think what bothers mC most is that the tribune has it right and its messing with his own internal propoganda sorry mate
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 16:15:00 - [138] Edited by: Metal Dude on 20/10/2006 16:18:18 Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Metal Dude You know what's LAME? What that recording contained. It's LAME to tell your members to log out after jumping in to a hostile camp to avoid loses. That's what's really LAME. The recording was just proof and if it was not posted, it would have been denied. If proof of Lameness is LAME, then be it. Like BoB did in Y9G agaist Goonfleet? Do you have proof that BoB FC, after jumping in to hostile camp, before uncloaking, ordered their members to log out to avoid being killed? No? Then STFU. You donÆt know what you are talking about. I do remember killing you in Y9G, so I understand why you lie about it. Your post has no merit whatsoever. Why would BoB have to log out in Y9G from goons? BoB had the whole system locked down for weeks killing at will. But please. Prove me wrong and show us some proof. Oh wait. That would be LAME, so you won't. Right? The real reason you won't post any evidence to back up your claims is because it does not exist and you know it. Again, baseless accusations FTL. The truth will set you free
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.20 16:50:00 - [139] Edited by: welsh wizard on 20/10/2006 16:53:52 Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 20/10/2006 15:09:39 BOB use battleships alot, its just that they are hard to get. Normally, they will have a squadron of interceptors by a gate and just wait for an enemy fleet to jump in. Once that happens, their BS fleet warps to the area at about 100 km from enemy fleet, immedeately align to a warp out point. They use jammers and release drones to neutralize or kill off incoming tacklers. When one of their bs's are made primary, they warp to safe and warp back again at warp in point usually 200km from enemy fleet. When their enemy is called primary and warp out, they will get him when he comes back as he wont have time to realign. They win alot of fleetbattles using this tactic lol As dbp said the thing BoB do well is mix it up. They often start close then use propulsion to move out of range, they don't like ECM (respect) and use their range advantage to stay out of multispec optimal. When we had them where we wanted them (very close) we could overpower them through sheer damage but when the tricky gits start moving out of range you run into a whole new set of problems. Fighting BoB is a learning process but they're not unbeatable, contrary to popular belief. I find corps like KOS (celtic anarchy) and E-R fight in a similar way just with fewer numbers. edit: Bring lots of Phase jamming and a smattering of White noise and you increase your chances significantly. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Neurosis Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 16:50:00 - [140] blah blah blah, drivel drivel drivel, I don't really care about the propaganda, but i REALLY do appreciate all the fuel and the scorpion you left in your corporate hangar that died this morning, that is a LOT less trips to empire we'll have to make, Heres to you Mr ASCN! _________________________________________________ Sig is not eve related - please see the RULES - Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc ([email protected])
John McCreedy Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:05:00 - [141] Originally by: Jonathan Fisher Edited by: Jonathan Fisher on 20/10/2006 07:37:53 To mr. McCreedy: Johnathon, thank you for making a statement to my rebuttal. You claim that you wish to be objective yet as I've demonstrated to you, your article was full of bias towards BoB, even going so far as to make several disparaging remarks against myself when I have only ever quoted truth. You invite ASCN within your reply to prove to you that any of BoB's Leadership have lied yet within your own article you claim that I have lied. That is a perfect example of your bias. Neither I nor anyone else in ASCN wish the next artical of the so-called "Pendelum War" to be a peice of ASCN propaganda. That's a game we have stayed away from throughout this conflict. I would also draw your attention to the fact that ware the only ones to of thought that your article was biased. To remind you, here are some quotes from your orignal post: Originally by: Kyguard The article is so full of crap and bias it's not funny. Won't be reading this again.. Originally by: Beringe I can't believe people are calling this "professional". The amount of hyperbole, supposition and bad editing crammed into this "issue" is only surpassed by the forums...but at least forum posts don't pretend to be anything other than they are. The only 'article' I even remotely liked was the in-character one on the caldari recon ships. The rest was drivel. Originally by: Caldess I enjoy reading the site, but sometimes I get the impression that there's a little bit of bias to the reports (re: the Pendulum Wars in this issue). Originally by: Ifni That entire article is nothing but supposition taken from the side of player, which is alot less than 50% of the story. How do articles like this get through? Not one of the above people are in or have anything to do with ASCN. At least, none that I'm aware. Additionally, statements such as: Originally by: Jonathan Fisher You might have a top-secret plan that will become revealed within a week or two, and you might be purposefully misleading people into thinking that your alliance has serious problems. If this is the case, please do not attack the press for publishing your purposeful misdirecion. draws conclusions where an unbiased journalist would leave the reader to draw their own conclusions. Who are you to say that ASCN has "serious problems"? As I've told you, our morale is high, our wallets are fat and we, not BoB, are the ones on the offensive. However, that is not to say that BoB have problems. I am not a member of BoB so I cannot comment on either their morale or cash reserves. Unlike you, I will not draw conclusions to facts I know nothing about. Additionally, statements such as: Originally by: Jonathan Fisher I will publish the information I have available and judge to be most probably true regardless of whether it favours BoB or ASCN. At this moment in time it favours BoB. apear to be agreeing that the information you printed was a biased peice of BoB propaganda. You have a list of contacts so should you wish to make a genuinely balanced artical next week then please do not hesitate to contact myself or any of my collegues for a statement or clarification of facts. I'm sure the rest of Eve will welcome a more balanced perspective from your next peice of writing. Make a Difference
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:11:00 - [142] Originally by: John McCreedy ...contact myself...facts. Sure thing John, where do we sign up? Can we get a weekly tale of "playing PBS soon (tm)" and "EDF wins war against BoB single handed, rest of ASCN just cling on to coat tails" along with my weetabix, please. Cheers.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:14:00 - [143] Originally by: Metal Dude You know, the worst thing about this war is that it will end one day. Let's enjoy it while it lasts. you know the smack is reaching bad levels when metal dude tells people to chill out! hehe if only the nodes would hold eh? In rust we trust!!! Right here Tux ,,\|,,
RogueWing Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:16:00 - [144] ... Only in ASCN would someone consider the solution to being short an office to be "Drop another Outpost"
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:23:00 - [145] Originally by: John McCreedy You claim that you wish to be objective yet as I've demonstrated to you, your article was full of bias towards BoB, Didn't we go through that and came to the conclusion that most of what you called bias was a natural reaction to the delusional propaganda you materialised out of thin air ? Quote: that I have lied. That is a perfect example of your bias. Hmm, didn't we arrive at the conclusion that you did actually lie on several occasions ? Quote: Neither I nor anyone else in ASCN wish the next artical of the so-called "Pendelum War" to be a peice of ASCN propaganda. Yet you try to point out faults in the last article using lies ? Quote: Not one of the above people are in or have anything to do with ASCN. At least, none that I'm aware. Isn't it so that several if nto most of those quotes of yours refer to the article regarding GM errors rather then the article on the ASCN v BoB wars ? Quote: I am not a member of BoB so I cannot comment on either their morale or cash reserves. Unlike you, I will not draw conclusions to facts I know nothing about. John, I asked you last time and I'll ask you again. Do I need to quote your internal posts again ? You are again lying, this time to his face, and he already had the proof for it... How do hell do you think he'll take your statements seriously this way ? Old blog
Marodi Alivar SUBLIME L.L.C. Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:58:00 - [146] If you ever expect the news to be completely unbiased, don't read the news. The victors write history, and the unknowing write the news. News is always full of unknowns and rumor. "pew pew" is better than "blah blah" when it comes to war.
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:18:00 - [147] Originally by: John McCreedy ... Note that some of us were commenting on the entire issue of Eve-Tribune, not just the pendulum wars. In fact, I'm pretty sure that Ifni's statement was about the GM rant. I never said they were biased. Just that they were unprofessional. In fact, I'll go so far to say that they're probably no more biased than anyone else. It's just that in order to write a good article, of this type, you need to quote sources, have good editing, and make sure that your wording doesn't unduly tilt the balance of the article. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Lakedaimon Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:29:00 - [148] Without wanting to get into a smackfest here, I'd like to respond to one of McCreedy's statements: Quote: I am not a member of BoB so I cannot comment on either their morale or cash reserves. I'd appreciate it if you could answer me this: Did you or did you not mention (several times, if I recall correctly) in posts on your internal forums that BoB morale was low? Did you or didn't you post the following: "So with this in mind, I talked to Cyvok and got him to agree that the best course of action was to go on the offensive. This has lead to a huge morale drop in BoB* so at least we're winning there."* (I bolded the relevant part). If you did indeed post this, and we combine it with your statement that I quoted above, this means that you have in fact been telling your members something which you yourself admitted to not knowing. Therefore, we can conclude that you were indeed not being truthful, and this in turn invalidates your statement that you do not lie.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:35:00 - [149] I hereby decree any system that ASCN gains sovereignty over shall be renamed to "CTRL-Q". This change will be effective next downtime. That is all. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Alexison Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:41:00 - [150] John McCreedy for president!
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:44:00 - [151] ASCN = PA? You Will Cry My Name
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:49:00 - [152] BoB are very good at manipulating people to think whatever they want. ôIf you repeat a lie a thousand times and it becomes the truth...ö - Dr Joseph Goebbels, Propaganda Minister of the Third Reich. BoB repeat the same lies over and over, ignoring all logic and reasoning, drowning out all opposing voices with strength of numbers from their forum warriors. I am honestly not suprised that the article was completely one-sided. The only reason that BoB are still alive is that they roar the loudest making a lot of people far too scared to go against them.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:52:00 - [153] Originally by: Fubear BoB are very good at manipulating people to think whatever they want. ôIf you repeat a lie a thousand times and it becomes the truth...ö - Dr Joseph Goebbels, Propaganda Minister of the Third Reich. BoB repeat the same lies over and over, ignoring all logic and reasoning, drowning out all opposing voices with strength of numbers from their forum warriors. I am honestly not suprised that the article was completely one-sided. The only reason that BoB are still alive is that they roar the loudest making a lot of people far too scared to go against them. Yes, the only reason we're alive is because we've got big mouths. Yep, sure it, my mouth in particular is bigger than everyone elses (not in bob) put together. You, dear Fubear, would seem to suffer from the same upstanding incontinence as the rest of the cluster - you're quite obviously afraid of who we say we are and claim to be, because surely if you had ever had the genital fortitude to actually attack us you'd know just how true, or false, the tripe you spout really is.
Remmington Daniels Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:55:00 - [154] I'm currently sat 4 jumps from the so called "frontline" of TCAG in a 60 man gang. I keep checking the map to see if any blobs are heading our way. Closest blob = 13 jumps away Fantastic showing on ASCN's part gg. Now rather this be classed as smack its more of a "disapointment". TCAG is no longer the front line in my opinion. Its deep in ASCN space. We're coming for you. Nice Region... We'll take it
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:05:00 - [155] Originally by: Nira Li ASCN = PA? no.. PA didnt lie this bad to their memebers. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Zagum Darkfin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:13:00 - [156] Wait, I am confused. Let me try to understand this. So basically what you are saying is that you want Eve Tribute to lie in order to have a "balanced report." Is that it? Or is it because of what is being reported you therefore can't lie to your own alliance without looking like a fool?? Which is it? There is no such thing as a balanced report, because anyone can question it for some dumb reason or another. If the facts paint a particular picture, so be it. Trying to ignore, change or skew the facts in order to convey a particular event favourable to your side is simply wrong and should be resisted always. Then a report becomes a propaganda piece and not news report. I say leave the people who want to report alone and let them do what the hell they want to. You can either read it or not. We used to have a good player run news website outside CCP until some whiner decided to contact a lawyer. If you don't like something post your own version and be happy about it. Complaining to a 3rd party is lame.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:19:00 - [157] Originally by: Fubear ... BoB repeat the same lies over and over, ignoring all logic and reasoning ... Yay, another opportunity to challenge another random to come up with some proof. Tell me, Mr. Fubear, which lies do you mean ? Give me one lie we have repeated over and over and over and I'll give you logic and reasoning. Old blog
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:21:00 - [158] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Fubear ... BoB repeat the same lies over and over, ignoring all logic and reasoning ... Yay, another opportunity to challenge another random to come up with some proof. Tell me, Mr. Fubear, which lies do you mean ? Give me one lie we have repeated over and over and over and I'll give you logic and reasoning. I can, "WE ARE NOT DEVS/GMS!!!!!!" You Will Cry My Name
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:50:00 - [159] Originally by: Louisa Torres Yes, the only reason we're alive is because we've got big mouths. Yep, sure it, my mouth in particular is bigger than everyone elses (not in bob) put together. You, dear Fubear, would seem to suffer from the same upstanding incontinence as the rest of the cluster - you're quite obviously afraid of who we say we are and claim to be, because surely if you had ever had the genital fortitude to actually attack us you'd know just how true, or false, the tripe you spout really is. I freely admit I have never attacked you, and probably never will. I am an industrialist in a two person corp run by myself and my sister. I am in no way setup to defeat an alliance in any way shape or form. On the other hand, I know and chat to a lot of people from a variety of places, and I have heard first hand what it is like to fight against you, and have seen how strongly that contrasts against your forum posing. With regards to your specific campaign, the Big Lie that I see over and over again is that ASCN cannot win this war. CANNOT! FINAL! NO CHANCE AT ALL! Just one week after fighting started a thread was posted, ordering the holding corp to turn over Sov in exchange for a peacfull withdraw from the warzone. The biggest argument you made was that ASCN couldn't win, that it was impossible for them to stop you, and that the choice was either get out or be forced out. This mantra was repeated over and over and over again over the pages of that thread, it was a BLATENT lie, but after a while people start believing it. You told them the fight was futile and ordered them to give up before the war had even begun. Who are you to say that ASCN cannot win? Even if you do take the station, what is to say that ASCN won't take it back again after a week. I know my comments will be ignored, and my voice is about to get drowned out by the shriek of a hundred bobbits calling me a liar and discrediting me with whatever "facts" and "truths" you are peddling this week to the masses, so I will bow out of this thread here - there is nothing more for me to say as it is potinless to argue any further against such people.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:56:00 - [160] The statement that ASCN cannot win is obviously an opinion. As such it is not possible to dub it a lie. Opinions are subjective, statements of opinion are subjective, and thus cannot be untrue, only incorrect. However, if you want to hear arguments about why ASCN is in our opinion doomed to fail you are in the right place. Peruse some of the relevant threads and you shoul see plenty of arguments, of which none is based on lies actually, but some are based on opinions. As for you "hearing firsthand" about the way we fight, join the line. I hear things "firsthand" about the way we fight all the time too, when i've got my newbcorp alt online to check the market Old blog
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:56:00 - [161] Edited by: ponieus on 20/10/2006 19:57:00 Originally by: Fubear Originally by: Louisa Torres Yes, the only reason we're alive is because we've got big mouths. Yep, sure it, my mouth in particular is bigger than everyone elses (not in bob) put together. You, dear Fubear, would seem to suffer from the same upstanding incontinence as the rest of the cluster - you're quite obviously afraid of who we say we are and claim to be, because surely if you had ever had the genital fortitude to actually attack us you'd know just how true, or false, the tripe you spout really is. I freely admit I have never attacked you, and probably never will. I am an industrialist in a two person corp run by myself and my sister. I am in no way setup to defeat an alliance in any way shape or form. On the other hand, I know and chat to a lot of people from a variety of places, and I have heard first hand what it is like to fight against you, and have seen how strongly that contrasts against your forum posing. With regards to your specific campaign, the Big Lie that I see over and over again is that ASCN cannot win this war. CANNOT! FINAL! NO CHANCE AT ALL! Just one week after fighting started a thread was posted, ordering the holding corp to turn over Sov in exchange for a peacfull withdraw from the warzone. The biggest argument you made was that ASCN couldn't win, that it was impossible for them to stop you, and that the choice was either get out or be forced out. This mantra was repeated over and over and over again over the pages of that thread, it was a BLATENT lie, but after a while people start believing it. You told them the fight was futile and ordered them to give up before the war had even begun. Who are you to say that ASCN cannot win? Even if you do take the station, what is to say that ASCN won't take it back again after a week. I know my comments will be ignored, and my voice is about to get drowned out by the shriek of a hundred bobbits calling me a liar and discrediting me with whatever "facts" and "truths" you are peddling this week to the masses, so I will bow out of this thread here - there is nothing more for me to say as it is potinless to argue any further against such people. FYI we are not lying when we say that. ASCN are just in denial stages of loosing.. agian where is our "lie" ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Johnny Johnny Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 20:16:00 - [162] For myself, I'm having a real good time shooting things, and getting shot at. What's disturbing me is how few people there seem to be logged into ASCN space when we roam thru. For such a large allaince, there doesn't seem to be enough people around, either with the "fleet" in TCAG or in the home systems.
Mang0o Caldari Cosmic Fusion	Posted - 2006.10.20 22:53:00 - [163] Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: Mang0o Edited by: Mang0o on 20/10/2006 13:22:02 Originally by: Coupo mangoo hit a new low and broke through the barrier to the void beyond it would seem thats bob doing the "happy dance" after you kill a BS but i took it down.. or ill get banned.. but it was so funny wait, didn;t you bail on ascn less than a week into the war? please insert your weak excuses here.......... thanks hahaha yeah i did bail.. it was all to much for me.. so many pvp ops.. i was so sad i dident have time to mine.. so im in jita now mining.. but come too jita and ill put my foot up your ass mr funny man I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 23:12:00 - [164] Originally by: Fubear With regards to your specific campaign, the Big Lie that I see over and over again is that ASCN cannot win this war. when i clicked that link and the first word i saw was Adolf ****** and Mein kampf that was the sec i realised that u should unplug u keyboard, this is a game and no one in it should be comapared whit anything like that. from a person whos never fought bob u talk alot. its a disgrace for Minmatar
Itzena Amarr OtakuDyne Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.20 23:26:00 - [165] Originally by: Rod Blaine Give me one lie we have repeated over and over and over and I'll give you logic and reasoning. "There are no Goons" -- I want my people to reclaim their rightful place in the galaxy... I want a rebirth of glory, a renaissance of power... I want us to be what we used to be.
IntegralHellsing Gallente Blazing Saddles	Posted - 2006.10.21 09:10:00 - [166] Dear Mr.Creedy (w00t! sounds like Creedy in V for Vendetta! :P) May I ask some questions? (oh, I am already doing it! lol) First of all, why is your killboard so inaccurate for ASCN losses, and why don't you do anything about it as a HC? I mean, BoB would beat the crap out of its members for not posting their losses. Other alliance/corp would just do the same. and KNOWING that ASCN members don't post some of their losses, what LED you to believe that you could just use figures from ASCN killboards and hope nobody notices? Second of all, did CYVOK ever informed anyone except 2~3 people about building titan? Because I am a bit upset that he just used alliance money without ever consulting what the alliance needs the most. (i bet there's some of my money and minerals.) And do you plan on using it ever again? or do you just plan to board the ship and admire that you can fly a titan? Also... where is the leftover minerals from producing Titan? Third of all, how long do you plan to make the members just sit in TCAG AFKing in the POS? and what would be the next frontline if TCAG falls completely under BoB hands? (well, the sovereignty is already to BoB, but as long as there is 1 ASCN POS in TCAG, BoB doesn't control the system fully.) Forth of all, I NEVER SAW YOU in TCAG, GQ2 or AZN. Maybe it's time zone problem, but during the war, i stayed from 19:00 BST until 04:00 BST and saw no signs of either CYVOK or you. (omfg i have no life! j/k. =D ) Fifth of all, should you surrender, what would be the terms? and should BoB surrender, (0.000000001% probability) what would be your term? Sixth of all, how come ASCN members were made to 'zip their mouth' in forum? I mean, it would be useful to everyone to hear anything that the members of ASCN might say. But you decided to order a silence just after i posted something in the forum. what was it... ah, the post that ASCN should stop whinning in forum about BoB 'abusing game system'. Seventh of all, even if you ordered 'all hands call', how come some ASCN members are out in empire pirating? (Yeah, that's right! pirating!) I mean those people who pirate in empire, they also kill or lose ships, but they never post them in killboard because they know that they are up to NO GOOD. What would be your policy to those who pirate in empire and don't abide by your orders? Eighth of all, (this is the longest paragraph i will be writing, as this will determine the direction any ex-ASCN members who left during war, should take.) did you order to kill some ex-ASCN members who left during the war? Because I felt that way when I was attacked. It just seemed like they were ordered to strike any ex-ASCN members who left during war time, because ASCN doesn't pirate, right? I mean, it is against your policy, right? It wasn't just me who were attacked, some other ex-ASCN members who left during war was attacked. Afterall, whenever I go to low sec and when I see ASCN members in local, they always try to kill me even if my corp isn't known to ASCN. One guy was stalking me for couple of hours, tracking down where I went. (Eventually he got the direction wrong and ended up in my corp's HQ, where he tried to pirate a hauler of a random corp who only had 2 members.) We didn't kill a single ASCN nor AXE before, but that has now changed. All ASCN members are now hostile because of the fact that they tried to kill one of the members. (which was me :P) I guess we are going to be helping BoB in any ways. So Mr. Creedy, DID YOU ORDER THE STRIKE OR NOT? The reason I am asking is this question will answer everything that any ex-ASCN members should know. If you ordered, then we should be running for our life, because ASCN has like 5000 members and we stand no chance. If you didn't order, then please call off piracy in empire and punish them. ------------------------------
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.21 10:55:00 - [167] Originally by: Sir JoJo Originally by: Fubear With regards to your specific campaign, the Big Lie that I see over and over again is that ASCN cannot win this war. when i clicked that link and the first word i saw was Adolf ****** and Mein kampf that was the sec i realised that u should unplug u keyboard, this is a game and no one in it should be comapared whit anything like that. Why? What is wrong with comparing the propoganda strategy used in game to that of a propoganda strategy used by a real-world military organisation? PS: "I dont think ASCN can win" is an opinion. "ASCN cannot win" is a statement of fact.
IntegralHellsing Gallente Blazing Saddles	Posted - 2006.10.21 11:00:00 - [168] Edited by: IntegralHellsing on 21/10/2006 11:01:38 Edited by: IntegralHellsing on 21/10/2006 11:00:48 well, what he probably meant is that a strategy used in game shouldn't be compared with real life history campaign. afterall, this is only a game. (not to someone, but surely it is!) one is about how bad jews are and that we should kill them (which is full of crap), and one is just about mccreedy not coming to a sense. i think it would be harsh for anyone to compare any in-game things to a real life thing that led to massacre. ------------------------------
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 11:11:00 - [169] Originally by: IntegralHellsing Edited by: IntegralHellsing on 21/10/2006 11:01:38 Edited by: IntegralHellsing on 21/10/2006 11:00:48 well, what he probably meant is that a strategy used in game shouldn't be compared with real life history campaign. afterall, this is only a game. (not to someone, but surely it is!) one is about how bad jews are and that we should kill them (which is full of crap), and one is just about mccreedy not coming to a sense. i think it would be harsh for anyone to compare any in-game things to a real life thing that led to massacre. And yet it didn't stop CYVOK to compare us to certain wwII regime. To be more precise, he didn't like our "propaganda machine", however some like to call it truth.
Coupo Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 12:40:00 - [170] Just to solve one myth that seems to be perpatrating a lot recently, i cant make this in huge bold letters because im not a whorum warrior and all i can mannage is typey typey. I quote directly from the unedited Original Post of the OFFER. Quote: Offer to corporations based in GQ2S refinery. We know that you do not really want this, we know that you are suffering form the siege of your system, we know that its hurting you. We will offer you a way out, the non-hostile way, before we lay total siege to the system. Lay down your arms, and drop the sov claims on ths system, and you will be allowed to stay. This offer will go off the table in 1 week. Please contact Louisa Torres for details. Tick Tock The offer that was made to the residents of GQ2 was a weeks grace period to drop Sovriegnty, and cease hostilities within GQ2, not to surrender GQ2 to BoB. You will also notice the word Corporations, this does not mean ASCN. As history shows this offer was scoffed at because of ASCNs attempted Midway Scenario. If ASCN had not launched their faulted campaign in to Bob space, some GQ2 residents may have taken it up. As it stands we now have more targets to shoot at. We dont mind, quite frankly were happy for the chance to blow your stuff up. For those that were intrested, the offer ended on the 7th of October. So can we please drop this constant claim about BoB asking ASCN to surrender, as much as it amuses us it doesnt look good on your parts. Now if you dont mind i must go looking for information on the pirates of penzance or whatever it was im ment to be playing in 6 months. Oh yes pirates of the burning sea. I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
Hakera Anari Higard	Posted - 2006.10.21 12:49:00 - [171] see, this is why i hate killboards, leads to arguments like this and too much reliance on them as a guage of who is winning. Really wish eve war was about something other than counterstrike kill stats.
Jiara Castoumi Caldari Contract Accountancy Service	Posted - 2006.10.21 12:50:00 - [172] IntegralHellsing: you ask for CYVOK to tell you whats happened to the ISKs and Minerals? Why dont you ask the XETIC Corporations what happened to their ISKs and Minerals after CYVOK lost that war. Which funnily enough this war is going the same way. One day CYVOK will make a post on the ASCN forums saying hes had enough of the dead weight and his whole corp will leave with the Alliances hard earned Mineral Reserves and ISK base. Its happened once, it will happen again. Thats what you get for letting a proven Liar and Traitor lead you.
VinLieger Caldari The Beiatch Corp Inc	Posted - 2006.10.21 14:22:00 - [173] Originally by: Sir JoJo Originally by: Fubear With regards to your specific campaign, the Big Lie that I see over and over again is that ASCN cannot win this war. when i clicked that link and the first word i saw was Adolf ****** and Mein kampf that was the sec i realised that u should unplug u keyboard, this is a game and no one in it should be comapared whit anything like that. from a person whos never fought bob u talk alot. LOL your kind of oblivious to what hes saying. Its a propaganda technique that is widely used he wasnt comparing people he was explaining that bob use lies alot on the forums in their propoganda -----------------------
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 16:20:00 - [174] Originally by: VinLieger Originally by: Sir JoJo Originally by: Fubear With regards to your specific campaign, the Big Lie that I see over and over again is that ASCN cannot win this war. when i clicked that link and the first word i saw was Adolf **** and Mein kampf that was the sec i realised that u should unplug u keyboard, this is a game and no one in it should be comapared whit anything like that. from a person whos never fought bob u talk alot. LOL your kind of oblivious to what hes saying. Its a propaganda technique that is widely used he wasnt comparing people he was explaining that bob use lies alot on the forums in their propoganda everyone accuses us of using lies on the forums. Why is that? I have yet to see anyone at all call us out on one of our lies. Its the same thing that happens everytime. We get accused of lying but no proof is never laid forth... So if we have used this "Big Lie" as Fubear called it lets see it then. Someone find it and dissect it. If its good enough I'll consider leaving this game for Pirates of the Burning Sea when it comes out. If we say that ASCN cannot win this war, its not a lie, nor a statement of fact. It is a opinion, our opinion. And we are entitled to a opinion, non? The opposition on the other hand, have been lying repeatedly, not to us, but to their own members. McCreedy repeats the same mantras over and over again on their forums that we are leaving the game in a few months, that we are allready tired of this war. That we think killing almost a thousand battleships in the span of a few weeks is no fun. But he is not lying of course! its the big bad BoB that is lying with its big lie! I would like to see that lie. no, really, I would... Originally by:** CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 16:57:00 - [175] Originally by: Hast Originally by: VinLieger Originally by: Sir JoJo Originally by: Fubear With regards to your specific campaign, the Big Lie that I see over and over again is that ASCN cannot win this war. when i clicked that link and the first word i saw was Adolf ****** and Mein kampf that was the sec i realised that u should unplug u keyboard, this is a game and no one in it should be comapared whit anything like that. from a person whos never fought bob u talk alot. LOL your kind of oblivious to what hes saying. Its a propaganda technique that is widely used he wasnt comparing people he was explaining that bob use lies alot on the forums in their propoganda everyone accuses us of using lies on the forums. Why is that? I have yet to see anyone at all call us out on one of our lies. Its the same thing that happens everytime. We get accused of lying but no proof is never laid forth... So if we have used this "Big Lie" as Fubear called it lets see it then. Someone find it and dissect it. If its good enough I'll consider leaving this game for Pirates of the Burning Sea when it comes out. If we say that ASCN cannot win this war, its not a lie, nor a statement of fact. It is a opinion, our opinion. And we are entitled to a opinion, non? The opposition on the other hand, have been lying repeatedly, not to us, but to their own members. McCreedy repeats the same mantras over and over again on their forums that we are leaving the game in a few months, that we are allready tired of this war. That we think killing almost a thousand battleships in the span of a few weeks is no fun. But he is not lying of course! its the big bad BoB that is lying with its big lie! I would like to see that lie. no, really, I would... meh don't mind those weak minded trolls m8 We were lying about PA aswell according to them and we are lying now again... You Will Cry My Name
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:05:00 - [176] Originally by: IntegralHellsing Lot's of rambling... You sir, are a coward and a deserter. You deserve whatever you get. FREEE is Recruiting
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:49:00 - [177] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: IntegralHellsing Lot's of rambling... You sir, are a coward and a deserter. You deserve whatever you get. Get a life... Corporations in eve aren't RL militarys.

Jacques Archambault Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.10.21 18:48:00 - [178] Thread cleaned. Please do not bring real life politics or RL history onto the boards. And most importantly, please keep it polite. Its okay to disagree or to debate, but be civil about it. -Jacques' forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website! Want to be an EVE-Online forum moderator? click here! ISD Volunteer of the Year, 2006

FubarSF Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.21 19:31:00 - [179] Originally by: Jacques Archambault And most importantly, please keep it polite. Its okay to disagree or to debate, but be civil about it. -Jacques' You must be new . It's hard to be "polite" when one is trying to Flame another I'm not flaming you, just pointing out what happens in this section of the forums. Back to the topic in hand..Blog's are bad mkey /me waits for the forum ban
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.21 19:37:00 - [180] Originally by: Coupo The offer that was made to the residents of GQ2 was a weeks grace period to drop Sovriegnty, and cease hostilities within GQ2, not to surrender GQ2 to BoB. You will also notice the word Corporations, this does not mean ASCN. I see. So you were hoping to appeal to the Sov holding corporations outside ASCN? Your statement makes no sense. Also, I note the words 'total seige' in the original post you are quoting. No such thing has occured. I'm not saying you guys are not doing very well so far, as I believe you are. But I also believe that the offer to those corporations was a meaningless PR stunt.
Ysabelle nKataros Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 20:19:00 - [181] Edited by: Ysabelle nKataros on 21/10/2006 20:22:40 Originally by: Butter Dog Your statement makes no sense. Also, I note the words 'total seige' in the original post you are quoting. No such thing has occured. I'm not saying you guys are not doing very well so far, as I believe you are. But I also believe that the offer to those corporations was a meaningless PR stunt. AT NO TIME was it ever stated that the 'total siege' would begin the minute the quoted offer expired. If you claim any implications in anything that BoB has said without explicit evidence, then all you are doing is speculating - implications are by their very nature unverifiable. To explain the offer further since you have so completely failed to grasp its nature, it is that any corporation during that week that had been willing to lay down arms and give up sovereignty claims, would have been permitted to stay. No corporation accepted that offer and therefore all current residents will have the station locked to them when sovereignty changes. The question of when the siege would happen was never stated, nor implied, only the time at which the offer would expire. Was I speaking slowly enough for you? BoB: When we have fleet battles, our killboard crashes
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 20:20:00 - [182] Oh, not at all meaningless, and maybe not a total pr stunt either BD. People could be mistaken about the motivation for it however Old blog
splattercat Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2006.10.21 20:25:00 - [183] to Rod Blaine! I have been reading you posts for what seems like years now, and you have allways responded in a good way imo. One question if i may? do you ever sleap? ShadowDragon > LOL i never said "we dont log"
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.21 20:25:00 - [184] Originally by: Ysabelle nKataros Edited by: Ysabelle nKataros on 21/10/2006 20:22:40 Originally by: Butter Dog Your statement makes no sense. Also, I note the words 'total seige' in the original post you are quoting. No such thing has occured. I'm not saying you guys are not doing very well so far, as I believe you are. But I also believe that the offer to those corporations was a meaningless PR stunt. AT NO TIME was it ever stated that the 'total siege' would begin the minute the quoted offer expired. If you claim any implications in anything that BoB has said without explicit evidence, then all you are doing is speculating - implications are by their very nature unverifiable. To explain the offer further since you have so completely failed to grasp its nature, it is that any corporation during that week that had been willing to lay down arms and give up sovereignty claims, would have been permitted to stay. No corporation accepted that offer and therefore all current residents will have the station locked to them when sovereignty changes. The question of when the siege would happen was never stated, nor implied, only the time at which the offer would expire. Was I speaking slowly enough for you? Guess I'm the impatient sort. Okay, I'll wait a little longer for the 'total seige' to begin.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 20:36:00 - [185] Originally by: splattercat to Rod Blaine! I have been reading you posts for what seems like years now, and you have allways responded in a good way imo. One question if i may? do you ever sleap? (I'll answer this one in person instead of letting my auto-post bot handle it.) Yes Old blog

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