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Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:16:00 - [91] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel It is quite funny how INDIVIDUAL ASCN corps claim their stats are better in comparison to BOB which is AN ALLIANCE , are u guys seperating ur selves from the rest of ur alliance mates or is it an alliance VS corp comparison ? Either way it realy shows that ur moto strengh through unity is just a paradox It isnt funny, because ASCN is a hybrid alliance of many corporations. They have some mainly industrial corps, and other more PvP focused corps. It is quite natural that the PvP-focused corporations will be better than the mining ones. You can't directly compare your alliance to ASCN, they are structured very differently. Agin u fail to grasp the point and spin in a diff direction. An alliance is a signle entity and is dealt as such , trying to boost single corp achievemnts is just digging thorn in ur own back side and makign u look more like a fool. For instance u dont see LV boosting about their K/l Ratio in a single battle with RA saying that they are better which is basicly saying they are good and they are carring out the war whiel their own alliance m8s aint this is just digging more trenches between alliance corp and will create internal fued for sure since indivualism should exist in an alliance. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:16:00 - [92] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel It is quite funny how INDIVIDUAL ASCN corps claim their stats are better in comparison to BOB which is AN ALLIANCE , are u guys seperating ur selves from the rest of ur alliance mates or is it an alliance VS corp comparison ? Either way it realy shows that ur moto strengh through unity is just a paradox It isnt funny, because ASCN is a hybrid alliance of many corporations. They have some mainly industrial corps, and other more PvP focused corps. It is quite natural that the PvP-focused corporations will be better than the mining ones. You can't directly compare your alliance to ASCN, they are structured very differently. Agin u fail to grasp the point and spin in a diff direction. An alliance is a signle entity and is dealt as such , trying to boost single corp achievemnts is just digging thorn in ur own back side and makign u look more like a fool. For instance u dont see LV boosting about their K/l Ratio in a single battle with RA saying that they are better which is basicly saying they are good and they are carring out the war whiel their own alliance m8s aint this is just digging more trenches between alliance corp and will create internal fued for sure since indivualism should exist in an alliance. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:27:00 - [93] BoB, ignore the trolls who have no place posting in this war. That would include the aneu's alt and the other self professed alt - butter dog. If ASCN wish to respond they can but don't get bogged down in a random flame war with pilots who don't know their port thrusters from thier rear aft megabeams. cheers, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:27:00 - [94] BoB, ignore the trolls who have no place posting in this war. That would include the aneu's alt and the other self professed alt - butter dog. If ASCN wish to respond they can but don't get bogged down in a random flame war with pilots who don't know their port thrusters from thier rear aft megabeams. cheers, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:28:00 - [95] Originally by: DB Preacher BoB, ignore the trolls who have no place posting in this war. That would include the aneu's alt and the other self professed alt - butter dog. If ASCN wish to respond they can but don't get bogged down in a random flame war with pilots who don't know their port thrusters from thier rear aft megabeams. cheers, dbp DBP SAW THE LIGHT OMG Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:28:00 - [96] Originally by: DB Preacher BoB, ignore the trolls who have no place posting in this war. That would include the aneu's alt and the other self professed alt - butter dog. If ASCN wish to respond they can but don't get bogged down in a random flame war with pilots who don't know their port thrusters from thier rear aft megabeams. cheers, dbp DBP SAW THE LIGHT OMG Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:29:00 - [97] Edited by: Buxaroo on 20/10/2006 10:30:52 Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 20/10/2006 01:35:39 I do like the fact that you make a particular point of saying "but there are corps that hold their own weight" though, yet another ASCN corp (rather like Madeye McGreedy's EDF) that likes to make that distinction. So there are ASCN corps that don't hold their on weight then? The alleged (but proven not very good) PvP corps in ASCN are presumably better than some of the other ASCN corps? You guys show more and more cr.acks in your unity every day. I think everyone who is in an alliance should learn from this particular paragraph and last sentence. This is what sets the long lasting alliance apart from the dead alliances. I am sure there are certain corps in ASCN that are better at PVP than most, but if they talk about how much better they are compared to other corps in the alliance then this will sow discord and mistrust and others who aren't considered "good" will feel left out and start to plot for themselves instead of going full force into the war effort. This is and has always been BoB's strength. Regardless of who is better, RKK or DICE or EVOL or whatever, they all speak and shoot as one. That is the strength which is needed for an alliance to survive and win. This may or maynot be going on in ASCN, I have no idea. For all I know ASCN's corps are working as one and just hitting speed bumps in the path of this war. And possibly Blacklight's trying to create this rift just by suggesting it is happening, thus instituting a manifest destiny so to speak. Nontheless, a good leadership supports their groups, even though some might do a lot more than others and should try to be sort of a cheer leader for everyone involved, get them on the same page, make them feel they are contributing to the effort just as much as the pvpers. Lead by example I always say, try to bring people up, don't put them down. It works.
Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:29:00 - [98] Edited by: Buxaroo on 20/10/2006 10:30:52 Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 20/10/2006 01:35:39 I do like the fact that you make a particular point of saying "but there are corps that hold their own weight" though, yet another ASCN corp (rather like Madeye McGreedy's EDF) that likes to make that distinction. So there are ASCN corps that don't hold their on weight then? The alleged (but proven not very good) PvP corps in ASCN are presumably better than some of the other ASCN corps? You guys show more and more cr.acks in your unity every day. I think everyone who is in an alliance should learn from this particular paragraph and last sentence. This is what sets the long lasting alliance apart from the dead alliances. I am sure there are certain corps in ASCN that are better at PVP than most, but if they talk about how much better they are compared to other corps in the alliance then this will sow discord and mistrust and others who aren't considered "good" will feel left out and start to plot for themselves instead of going full force into the war effort. This is and has always been BoB's strength. Regardless of who is better, RKK or DICE or EVOL or whatever, they all speak and shoot as one. That is the strength which is needed for an alliance to survive and win. This may or maynot be going on in ASCN, I have no idea. For all I know ASCN's corps are working as one and just hitting speed bumps in the path of this war. And possibly Blacklight's trying to create this rift just by suggesting it is happening, thus instituting a manifest destiny so to speak. Nontheless, a good leadership supports their groups, even though some might do a lot more than others and should try to be sort of a cheer leader for everyone involved, get them on the same page, make them feel they are contributing to the effort just as much as the pvpers. Lead by example I always say, try to bring people up, don't put them down. It works.
IntegralHellsing Gallente Blazing Saddles	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:03:00 - [99] @Creedy: you should have learnt by now that ASCN killboard is somewhat 'downsizing the losses'. Where is the freighter loss mail in your killboard? Where is the dread losses? (think there are 2, but i only see 1.) The thing is, we cannot trust that ASCN killboard is accurate enough. the 45% efficiency figure is wrong, as some people don't bother posting their loss. Also, count the items lost. Whatever was in that freighter costed a lot and it probably worth couple of billions. Therefore I would say the figure would be somewhere between 35 to 45%, but not OVER 45%. ps. will write more. ------------------------------
IntegralHellsing Gallente Blazing Saddles	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:03:00 - [100] @Creedy: you should have learnt by now that ASCN killboard is somewhat 'downsizing the losses'. Where is the freighter loss mail in your killboard? Where is the dread losses? (think there are 2, but i only see 1.) The thing is, we cannot trust that ASCN killboard is accurate enough. the 45% efficiency figure is wrong, as some people don't bother posting their loss. Also, count the items lost. Whatever was in that freighter costed a lot and it probably worth couple of billions. Therefore I would say the figure would be somewhere between 35 to 45%, but not OVER 45%. ps. will write more. ------------------------------
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:17:00 - [101] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/10/2006 11:19:16 I'd say 35% would be much too kind to their warped reality. I'd personally put it at maybe 20%, as a kind estimate. I'm sure you can actually make a fair guess yourself by adding up the ship kills ASCN have posted versus the kills we have posted and attributing a fair average cost of loss to each type based on production cost of ship and fittings. I'm also fairly sure that one of us with the right access can provide all that info on your request. If you do however, prepare to be told how BoB fit only tech2 and faction items yet ASCN only fit tech1. But such is the world of Ascenia, a strange and beautifull place.... /me yawns and goes off for coffee Old blog
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:17:00 - [102] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/10/2006 11:19:16 I'd say 35% would be much too kind to their warped reality. I'd personally put it at maybe 20%, as a kind estimate. I'm sure you can actually make a fair guess yourself by adding up the ship kills ASCN have posted versus the kills we have posted and attributing a fair average cost of loss to each type based on production cost of ship and fittings. I'm also fairly sure that one of us with the right access can provide all that info on your request. If you do however, prepare to be told how BoB fit only tech2 and faction items yet ASCN only fit tech1. But such is the world of Ascenia, a strange and beautifull place.... /me yawns and goes off for coffee Old blog
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:26:00 - [103] The frustrating thing for me about threads like this is that people who are nowhere near the fighting get their info from them. Bad enough that the fanbois are juggling with words, with no understanding of their value, but it is worse that those members of ASCN who don't see the war in person are subjected to this. The thing I love about BoB is that the leadership means what it says, and says what it means. I know. I am there, in person, to witness it. They don't feel the need to lie to the members of the alliance. No need to twist or spin what is happening. The majority of the alliance are involved. We know what is happening because we are part of it. ASCN, however, due to the structure of their alliance, have a far lower percentage of their members actually experiencing the war first hand. They know what they are told, and only what they are told. They aren't stupid people, but if the only information they get is the filtered and warped output from the McCreedy propoganda engine, how can we expect them to know any better? Ultimately the McCreedy files will be seen as the lies they are, not just by BoB, but eventually by the whole membership of ASCN. When that day comes, it may be that McCreedy can justify his propoganda to his membership, and they will accept it as a needed tactic in the war to hold the alliance together. However, I fear that may not be the case. Put yourself in the shoes of the day-to-day ASCN membership. How would you feel when you realised that McCreedy is not only a failure and a fraud, but that he lied to cover it up, making you look like fools for believing him? I'd be a touch annoyed, to put it mildly. Still, no matter how unfortunate this all is for ASCN, I am taking some sort of sadistic pleasure in watching McCreedy flailing about, aportioning blame on anything he can. It is like a car wreck. I know it is morbid, but I just can't help but take another look. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:26:00 - [104] The frustrating thing for me about threads like this is that people who are nowhere near the fighting get their info from them. Bad enough that the fanbois are juggling with words, with no understanding of their value, but it is worse that those members of ASCN who don't see the war in person are subjected to this. The thing I love about BoB is that the leadership means what it says, and says what it means. I know. I am there, in person, to witness it. They don't feel the need to lie to the members of the alliance. No need to twist or spin what is happening. The majority of the alliance are involved. We know what is happening because we are part of it. ASCN, however, due to the structure of their alliance, have a far lower percentage of their members actually experiencing the war first hand. They know what they are told, and only what they are told. They aren't stupid people, but if the only information they get is the filtered and warped output from the McCreedy propoganda engine, how can we expect them to know any better? Ultimately the McCreedy files will be seen as the lies they are, not just by BoB, but eventually by the whole membership of ASCN. When that day comes, it may be that McCreedy can justify his propoganda to his membership, and they will accept it as a needed tactic in the war to hold the alliance together. However, I fear that may not be the case. Put yourself in the shoes of the day-to-day ASCN membership. How would you feel when you realised that McCreedy is not only a failure and a fraud, but that he lied to cover it up, making you look like fools for believing him? I'd be a touch annoyed, to put it mildly. Still, no matter how unfortunate this all is for ASCN, I am taking some sort of sadistic pleasure in watching McCreedy flailing about, aportioning blame on anything he can. It is like a car wreck. I know it is morbid, but I just can't help but take another look. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:39:00 - [105] When we contracted both with and against CLS, they maintained the killboard was only used internally for bonuses of kills and ship replacement purposes. While posting kills was generally not a problem (earns you a bonus), they seemed genuinely put off by the idea of posting losses. Don't get me wrong, it's how they run their corp/alliance and it's their business. However, there are two main consequences I see from such an action: 1) Making an inaccurate KB public yet qualifying it saying it's only for internal replacement/number crunching isn't very honest. 2) Using said inaccurate killboard as a method to rally troops and/or postulate on the success of a war campaign is just horrible and can serve no honest purpose. I'd recommend either making the KB private (only for internal book keeping, etc) or enforcing a strict 100% accountability for your public KB. Not like I give a toss, just trying to help you out John... LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:39:00 - [106] When we contracted both with and against CLS, they maintained the killboard was only used internally for bonuses of kills and ship replacement purposes. While posting kills was generally not a problem (earns you a bonus), they seemed genuinely put off by the idea of posting losses. Don't get me wrong, it's how they run their corp/alliance and it's their business. However, there are two main consequences I see from such an action: 1) Making an inaccurate KB public yet qualifying it saying it's only for internal replacement/number crunching isn't very honest. 2) Using said inaccurate killboard as a method to rally troops and/or postulate on the success of a war campaign is just horrible and can serve no honest purpose. I'd recommend either making the KB private (only for internal book keeping, etc) or enforcing a strict 100% accountability for your public KB. Not like I give a toss, just trying to help you out John... LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:41:00 - [107] Eve Tribune reports what it hears. Want it to hear something else I am sure they would love to get first hand information from ASCN. I dont know how big the Tribune is but I bet they'd love to have a reporter imbedded in ASCN forces (oh I hear the screams of alt spy now). The killboards are largely discredited as sources of information because of inaccurate recording. Put simply if you dont like the way the news is being broadcast alter the message. The first casualty of war is the truth, is quoted so often because it right. Maybe it is important to you to put a spin on the war, but it is not going to be won or lost on these forums. This war will be "won" by those willing/able to take the most damage and perhaps the winner will still be strong enough to defend whatever it has laid claim to in victory.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:41:00 - [108] Eve Tribune reports what it hears. Want it to hear something else I am sure they would love to get first hand information from ASCN. I dont know how big the Tribune is but I bet they'd love to have a reporter imbedded in ASCN forces (oh I hear the screams of alt spy now). The killboards are largely discredited as sources of information because of inaccurate recording. Put simply if you dont like the way the news is being broadcast alter the message. The first casualty of war is the truth, is quoted so often because it right. Maybe it is important to you to put a spin on the war, but it is not going to be won or lost on these forums. This war will be "won" by those willing/able to take the most damage and perhaps the winner will still be strong enough to defend whatever it has laid claim to in victory.
Goktar illiat Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:31:00 - [109] Originally by: BOB bla bla bla yadda yadda yadda drivel etc GO GO ASCN !
Lexor SLice Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:53:00 - [110] someone lock this, my eyes are hurting. i'll be honest, this is a turkey shoot. but at the same time, i havent been able to just log in and take a gang roaming to just have fun and shoot stuff for a while, easy fighitng is nice once in a while. and although last night i ran across 3 ascn pilots who shouted things in local, egaged me, and abruptly logged off, i've still had a good time. Everyone could stand to remember this is a game damnit, relax. ____________________________________________
NeoTech Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:01:00 - [111] Originally by: Lexor SLice Everyone could stand to remember this is a game damnit, relax. /agreed wait, did i just agree with a BoB? ;)
Rally Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:04:00 - [112] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Surrender for what reason blacklight? Obviously BoB had intent on behalf of that remark. It's called reading between the lines. Can you some where inbetween those lines read that we all are leaving for Pirates of the Burning Sea? Nice seaà WeÆll burn it!
Mang0o Caldari Cosmic Fusion	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:11:00 - [113] <--- BOB! I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris
Coupo Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:18:00 - [114] mangoo hit a new low and broke through the barrier to the void beyond it would seem I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
Mang0o Caldari Cosmic Fusion	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:19:00 - [115] Edited by: Mang0o on 20/10/2006 13:22:02 Originally by: Coupo mangoo hit a new low and broke through the barrier to the void beyond it would seem thats bob doing the "happy dance" after you kill a BS but i took it down.. or ill get banned.. but it was so funny I love you Mang0o, take a guess why -Eris
Joram McRory Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:37:00 - [116] Originally by: Avon The frustrating thing for me...... I don't often agree with Avon, but I do admire his ability to post on these forums in a mature and sensible fashion without resorting to personal attacks and smack. Respect Joram http://www.pbase.com/calis
Remmington Daniels Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:48:00 - [117] Originally by: Mang0o Edited by: Mang0o on 20/10/2006 13:22:02 Originally by: Coupo mangoo hit a new low and broke through the barrier to the void beyond it would seem thats bob doing the "happy dance" after you kill a BS but i took it down.. or ill get banned.. but it was so funny I fail to see the humour. It was about as funny as hemeroids. You are one sick child. On the flip side John Your posts make me laugh keep em coming. oh and just to reiterate the whole "there is no bob in ASCN space thing" you've got going on well... I seem to remember TCAG is part of ASCN space and your fleet wont even leave the 10-10 pos until your numbers are 4:1.
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:53:00 - [118] Quote: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) ASCN have lost 2 Dreadnaughts and killed 0 (2 û 0) ASCN have lost 5 Carriers and killed 0 (5 û 0) ASCN have lost 1369 Capsules* and killed 191 (7.2 û 1) Ahh..... BOB propaganda again. Looking at the ASCN killboard, 122 bs from bob killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 275 BOB capsule killmails on ASCN killboards not including their slave corps. 423 BOB interceptor killmails on ASCN killboards That probably explains alot. BOB turn up with ceptors and then come here claiming great BS ratios. The ceptor kill ratio is like 2 to 1 against bob. HACs are worse. Nicely omitted from the above.
KIATolon Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:58:00 - [119] Originally by: Metal Dude You know what's LAME? What that recording contained. It's LAME to tell your members to log out after jumping in to a hostile camp to avoid loses. That's what's really LAME. The recording was just proof and if it was not posted, it would have been denied. If proof of Lameness is LAME, then be it. Like BoB did in Y9G agaist Goonfleet?
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:08:00 - [120] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Originally by: Afonso Henriques Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 20/10/2006 01:12:59 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Originally by: Afonso Henriques Originally by: Ferocious FeAr When the going gets bad? What is bad? I'd say: ASCN have lost 773 battleships and killed 92 (8.4 û 1) IS going bad, who wouldn't? Not too mention declining participation (accordign to your OWN leaders), losing 10 or so large POS in tpar. In fact, wht exactly are you doing well other than losign 3-5B isk in a freighter while killing the pilots who successfully killed YOUR freighter. Oh and seeing you feel the need to flame and insult me shows exactly how poorly you are doing. The fact that your leadership spend their time (when not house shopping-lol) berating their opponents by pretending to know how their real lives are (again lol) to justify their immense failures says enough for most of us not involved to make an educated opinion to how poorly you are doing. Not only have you lost badly in eve, but your standing has suffered immensealy on the galnet. Bob maybe makes fun of you and posts too much, but that is only because they have earned the right both on the field (by crushing you) and on here because of the personal attacks by your leadership. All in all, well done chaps you've stated digging your own grave with a nuclear powered earthmover. I'm sorry did you say something? Whoa there, better get some ice for your head, it seems it is overheating. Honestly though, is that the best you can do? Once you have no discussion points left one liners are all you can do. Btw, who am I? A nobody who loves reading the Eve forums and watching alliances burn down. But, who are you? Some tolken in a corp with a ceo that couln't figure out how to name his corp. when creating it, or such an ego that he named the corp after himself? Yes, you certainly are the leet of ascn. But that is like being the least filthy pig in the pen. Go you! I don't care who you are, never will. I don't care that you love to read the forums, go read a book then maybe you will know that Sha Kharn has a meaning behind it. I'm proud of being in Sha Kharn. ASCN may not be a pvp alliance but there are corps that hold their own weight. When you have a 5000 man alliance you are bound to have mixture of all talents. Don't ever speak of ASCN like you know us because you don't. Like I said previously, stick to your own alliance. that there is your problem. To much seperation amoung ASCN.. Until you fix that problem you guys are gonna keep loosing. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok

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