Just a question, i dont pretend to know anything about this but it interests me none the less. oh an im newb so go easy on me plz lol

Why doesn't CCP just stop players being able to produce these ships and replace them? introduce some sort of new tech, maybe drop from these new Jove battleship with doomsdays, reverse engineer or somein to a whole new tech lvl of battleships ect that replaces the current super training?

I mean if these ships are "broke" why fix them? just replace them much like what is being done with sov, but replace them with ships that ppl who currently fly these ships will be excited to fly.

Im no pretending to know anything as u can tell, just a question :D

I can not guess what CCP is planning.

However, this is an interesting point raised here.

Will there be any reason to use anything bigger than BC for large scale fights after Zero hour of Fozziesov ? New players are less inclined to jump several systems in BS, using JB or being bridged by Titan gives us the "fatigue", and if we intend to defend multiple systems in constellation with limited manpower (small alliances fighting for foothold in 0.0), using BS will slow you down. And capturing structures will now be done by means of "magic" -wand.

What will be the drive to invest in anything bigger than BC ?

Actually we are not.

There's a LOT of people who clearly do NOT use caps and/or supers that think they know what they are talking about. That's a problem, because there's a lot more of those people than of players that actually use the damn things.

It's the same thing as the carrier nerfs. Anyone with a bit of knowledge and brains knew how to deal with skynet, which is why you never saw those players complain about it. Just noobs that got their precious t3 cruiser (or faction cruiser) popped when they jumped a gate with a small gate camp defending their SOV/space and they had carrier support...

CCP bends over backward to listen to them, its always been like that, and now the game is a washed down version of what it was before.

Yes caps and supers are strong... that's the point of them (they are far from OP... they used to be 5-6 years ago, not anymore). With the way things are going, a LOT of us are worried mooring will be a death trap to supers (and yes caps).

Personally, i use a POS to log into my super and safe log off. Without that bubble, its a LOT more work simply to log in and out (and logging always require me to log my alt in system first). Without that safety 'mechanism', some (maybe a lot) of us would have to abandon this part of EVE (personally i really like flying supers, i do wish they were more useful though).

caps don't need any help.

-the carrier is still very much a force multiplier in any fleet with plenty of utility to offer.
-dreads are still going to be needed to pos bash, wh site escalate, and dispatching the occasional trolling rogue pl titan in lowsec.
-the super carriers are very much like their lower priced counterpart a force multiplier, and hey with the jump changes you might actually be able to use fighter bombers outside of tidi.
-titans are really just trophy ships... you don't need a role when you have a space ***** 14km in length to ram down unsuspecting gates. that being said they still do just fine killing other capitals, so what's the problem?

what you guys are really complaining about is the jump changes that made using your very expensive ship painful, thus you feel you were owed something. really now let's consider the old system. was it balanced to be able to send an army of giant space penii half way across the universe to crush some tiny speck of an alliance trying to start out in null, and be back at home in the same day? no not even remotely. heck if 98% of your space isn't even used outside of moon mining *edit and renters*, do you really deserve to hold onto it?

CCP bends over backward to listen to them, its always been like that, and now the game is a washed down version of what it was before.

Yes.
For ratting.

I hate to bring up real-life examples but, would you say anyone who doesnt smoke pot shouldn't be allowed to make rules on it? You can't voice opinion on being gay if you are not gay yourself? Or that you shouldn't have any say in politics, because you are not a politician?

Might as well start having to request API checks before posting in any feedback threads, in case anyone who doesnt meet the preferred requirements tries to make an argument.

The forums aren't the place to check validity of opinions

Just a question, i dont pretend to know anything about this but it interests me none the less. oh an im newb so go easy on me plz lol

Why doesn't CCP just stop players being able to produce these ships and replace them? introduce some sort of new tech, maybe drop from these new Jove battleship with doomsdays, reverse engineer or somein to a whole new tech lvl of battleships ect that replaces the current super training?

I mean if these ships are "broke" why fix them? just replace them much like what is being done with sov, but replace them with ships that ppl who currently fly these ships will be excited to fly.

Im no pretending to know anything as u can tell, just a question :D

Just a question, i dont pretend to know anything about this but it interests me none the less. oh an im newb so go easy on me plz lol

Why doesn't CCP just stop players being able to produce these ships and replace them? introduce some sort of new tech, maybe drop from these new Jove battleship with doomsdays, reverse engineer or somein to a whole new tech lvl of battleships ect that replaces the current super training?

I mean if these ships are "broke" why fix them? just replace them much like what is being done with sov, but replace them with ships that ppl who currently fly these ships will be excited to fly.

Im no pretending to know anything as u can tell, just a question :D

This goes directly against the sandbox, but what if Supers and Titans needed a component that was dropped by, for example, Drifters? The drop rate could be directly controlled by CCP, which puts an upper cap on how many ships can exist at any one time.

Balance through scarcity is the same as balance through cost. In fact making them easier to acquire actually reduces their dominance factor.

Because they are not broken?

Incorrect. Take another guess.
If capitals are fine as they are, why do you think CCP removes their core role?

The core role of dreads was structure bashing, and one of the main roles of carriers is to repair said structures. Both jobs are obsolete after Fozziesov.

I'm starting to think dreads and carriers need be scaled down in terms of tank DPS and reps more toward current subcap levels, it would leave more room for other buffs to put them in a place that's a step or two above, rather than a whole leap ahead.

Why not just take them away otherwise there is no need to have them after your changes.

Why do you say that?

Maybe because your suggestion sounds redicoluos?

I'm starting to think dreads and carriers need be scaled down in terms of tank DPS and reps more toward current subcap levels, it would leave more room for other buffs to put them in a place that's a step or two above, rather than a whole leap ahead.

They didn't remove their core role, but thanks for playing.

Agree with this man. On more than one occasion.

Twelve times the DPS of a battleship for a sieged dread - that figure they came up with out of nowhere, and it all escalated from there.

Instead of rebalancing structures after the establishment of the capital ship concept, in effect they scaled everything up, the epitome of which was to change the anti-blob role of Titans to 420swagy0l0n0scope for the myriad of cap ships that there were now.

TL;DR 6 years later, and back to 2008 levels of player activity here we are.